Great video! I got the RTX 3090 when it first came out (over 3 years ago), and it still gives great value today. I will not upgrade until the RTX 50s are released. I will go with 5090 or 5080 depending on the results.
@@shiftctrlhack thats nice im still running a 6900 xt and thinking about upgrading to a 8900 xtx or maybe skip that generation to the 9900 xtx if i still see my 6900 xt running newer games at a cripsy 60 fps on 4k (no ray tracing)
The price is hard to swallow because this is what the 4060 series should have been - An AD104 die with x16 bandwidth. The 4060ti is absolutely hamstrung is GPU effects - and is still too expensive! I think the 3060ti is overall a much better deal than all of these cards for creator workflows. You get the speed of the 4060ti and the bandwidth of the 4070 for about 300 dollars!
I bought the Asus 3060 Ti used for arround 230€ (250 dollars). Can‘t complain. I use it mostly for Simracing on a 34“ 1440p Screen. Great value for the money if you buy used.
Could you please add to your creators' apps the Unreal Engine 5? This is the most popular game engine right now and from a dev point of view, there are not many benchmarks regarding this topic. I'd love to see how different CPUs are performing with compilation as this can take a lot of time. And also how different GPUs handle the rendering of the same scene inside the UE5 editor in terms of FPS.
Thanks for makeing a "3d prodution benchmark" Video. almost all other reviews are only looking at games, but that desnt tell us how fast they will render in Redshift. This kind of video is great, and I am looking forward to your future reviews of the 4070ti Super and the 4080super.
Quick update. Since The supers has been released I have been collecting all the benchmark numbers for Price vs. Performance....I was shocked with the results. when ONLY looking at reshift render scores the 4070 Super is the best GPU on the market. Its small so 3 can esayly fit in one system. They are efficient and run cool. THe best part, 2 4070 supers are FASTER then a 4090!!! In the Redshift benchmark a 4090 gets 1:16, 2 4070 supers get 1:09. That doesn't sound much but that's around 10% faster and is around $800 cheaper then a 4090 at today's pricing. I have am already running 2 render nodes, with two 4070 supers. But if you only have 1 computer, and you need only 1 GPU, the best answer is the 4090. It sounds expenve, but its still the best price vs. performance winner for any single GPU.
Dude I love your comment, I’m considering getting a used 3090FE for my build. And afterwards adding a 4070ti super. I work in blender and unreal mostly. Viewport performance is necessarily but render times is most vital for me
@@MercuriMedici FYI 2 4070s render just a hair faster then a 4090 and for $400 less! but Vram is the biggest issue. If your not doing simulation work, I think the dual 4070s are the best cost v.s performance option outthere right now. I had 2 3090s but they are power hogs and space heaters. I would not pay more then $400 for a 3090 because at $600 a 4070 will run circles around it.
@@MercuriMedici for unreal yes more vram would help because the whole scene gets loaded. I’m not sure about Blender. Redshift offloads memory from vram to RAM or disk when needed, so you might have a bit of a slowdown but it will still render. But in general VRAM doesn’t affect speed…unless it’s unloading like Redshift.
My experience with render times in blender speaks opposite. I do not know how open data benchmark for blender is counting frames per second but render times for AMD GPUs over HIP RT GPU compute have gotten alot better than "3times slower". Can you please select a few demos from blender and render those independently on the bench and make a chart between AMD and Nvidia GPUs?
Can you help me choose between the RX 7800 XT and the RTX 4070? I'll be using it for gaming and game development in Unreal Engine 5. I'm a beginner with 3D games and modeling (creating characters, environments, etc.), and I'm unsure which one to pick. The 16GB VRAM on the 7800 XT seems great for future-proofing, but if I use ray tracing at a medium level while making games, would it be able to handle it? I’ll also be using Blender for creating environments and characters, and I don’t mind if AMD has slower rendering speeds compared to NVIDIA, as long as it’s not too slow. Just feeling a bit confused about which one would be better overall
RTX is definitely interesting but every time I see people compare AMD prices to NV prices, CUDA always gets left out which IMO more than makes up for the price difference. Doesn't make AMD bad though, they're making gaming cards with less experience and probably 5% of NV's budget while also making CPU's. NV obviously makes gaming cards but their goal was always to make them as general purpose as possible. I'd love to see them on equal footing with a CUDA competitor.
@@paulojamesminimoisaac7858 Well in my country both starts from 630 USD tax included in the biggest stores which covers 5-6 country at least. I live in central europe.
DAMN bummed about it not having the hardware encoders. What are your thoughts on Intel Deeplink using let's say a 13th gen i5/i7 with an ARC A770? get all those encoders and 16gb of VRAM? on a purely premiere pro usage for an h.264/h.265 workflow purely 1080p to 4k? Do you think going with a 4080 and Intel would be faster? or would it be on par? I don't care about blender and 3d modeling, only 3d I would be using is some of the premiere pro templates/effects but minimal. Thanks for the video! Great work as always.
Can you help me choose between the RX 7800 XT and the RTX 4070? I'll be using it for gaming and game development in Unreal Engine 5. I'm a beginner with 3D games and modeling (creating characters, environments, etc.), and I'm unsure which one to pick. The 16GB VRAM on the 7800 XT seems great for future-proofing, but if I use ray tracing at a medium level while making games, would it be able to handle it? I’ll also be using Blender for creating environments and characters, and I don’t mind if AMD has slower rendering speeds compared to NVIDIA, as long as it’s not too slow. Just feeling a bit confused about which one would be better overall
Thx, this is a very comprehensive test, what would be the relationship vs the 7900XTX vs the Super line up ? Seems ADM still leads with pricing and Power Management.
@@theTechNotice brother should i buy the 4070 ti super gigabyte gaming oc or Eagle OC. I need a card which is compact and dual slot. Rest msi and asus are expensive in india, they r priced in 4080 territory and i dont like inno 3d , zotacs , galax or colorful. I am upgrading from Nvidia Rtx 3070 FE. please suggest and tell me is there any difference between gigabyte model in terms of VRMs, mosfets and phase design. Is Eagle OC really inferior to Gaming OC model?.
This video is making it easier to decide to buy the 7800 xt. AMD is a solid performer on Photoshop, Lightroom, Davinci and Fusion for the price. And thats what I use.
Please test some AI stuff with the 4070 ti Super and 4080 Super when they launch, prolly throw in the the 7900XT. Usefull apps would be Automatic 1111 for inference and Kohya SS for training if you know them.
AI software may need tuning to run optimally. Therefore, testing is not as simple as benchmarks, Tuning can easily amount to a speed factor 4 for some AIs. --robert jasiek
the comparison makes sense since the 7800XT is the closest priced AMD GPU to the 4070S but calling it a $600 GPU is pretty disingenuous when only one model is listed at 600 or above on pcpartpicker, the vast majority of 7800XT models are available $500 and $530 which is a lot cheaper than a 4070S or 3090 so that's to take into consideration for the value calculations also for the AI part, the 3090 is a massively better buy than the 4070S for this workload, nvidia has had tensor cores since the 20 series but the 3090 has twice the amount of VRAM which makes a *lot* of difference for anything AI related, 12GB is the lowest recommended to even just start with it
Building a 4K video editing pc with the 14900k. Can’t decide on a GPU and I’m quite new to the space. Any recommendations in the $400-600 range? Since it’s just 4K I don’t think I need anything crazy. Thanks !
I'm stuck between RTX 4070, 4070 Super, and AMD RX 7800 XT. Planning to build a PC for video editing and use Intel i7-13700k with 64gb RAM and I was planning to go with the new 4070 super, but the prices in my country are more expensive and based on this video it seems like the old 4070 might be a better value. Which one of these GPUs would you recommend for video editing with a 13700k CPU? RX 7800 XT - 605€ (seems good, but I remember that you mentioned in one of the videos that it's not as stable as other GPUs) RTX 4070 - 695€, but there is a b-stock/open box version for 659€ RTX 4070 SUPER - 796€ RTX 4070 Ti - 958€ (out of my budget lol)
@@gilgamesh8264 Can you help me choose between the RX 7800 XT and the RTX 4070? I'll be using it for gaming and game development in Unreal Engine 5. I'm a beginner with 3D games and modeling (creating characters, environments, etc.), and I'm unsure which one to pick. The 16GB VRAM on the 7800 XT seems great for future-proofing, but if I use ray tracing at a medium level while making games, would it be able to handle it? I’ll also be using Blender for creating environments and characters, and I don’t mind if AMD has slower rendering speeds compared to NVIDIA, as long as it’s not too slow. Just feeling a bit confused about which one would be better overall
Nope the cards aint received as nvidia card sellers are as greedy as apple resellers they are not getting the discounted 4070 but forcing the customers with sweet talk into 4070 super as the price is not that difference and 4070 is something a beginner mid range guy would buy and he can easily be squeezed dry by them
Nvidia has really played this well. They put up increased prices which made them good margins. Now that they know the whole amd lineup and no card left for them to release, nvidia launches better cards with slightly better pricing. That sets the narrative and gives nvidia edge. Its upto amd to either absorb less margins or suffer defeat.
Do you think the 4090 cards will drop down in price once this wave of new releases are out? Built my first PC in December (thanks for all your part suggestions and build livestreams) and still waiting to get a GPU but can’t justify spending 2k on one 🙃 (This computer will be used for 3D, so the 24GB VRAM is kinda vital)
Currently running Maya on a 2080TI 11GB VRAM. How much of an increase can I expect from the 4070 super? GPUs have gotten crazy expensive that I have hesitated on even considering upgrade options. Could this be the one?
I absolutely agree with you! The 4070 Super would have been even more of an impressive gpu if the vram was bumped up to 16Gb. However, I must say the 4070 S, which is an excellent gpu, gives me the best of both worlds as being an architect at day & a gamer at night!
Is it worth to upgrade from 2070 Super to 4070 TI Super if I work in Pr + Ae and maybe I'll add a little C4D. (I already upgraded to I7 14700k + 64Ram)
Isn't the blower heat sink design problematic? (yet every card is designed like that...) the fins should turn 90 degrees and align with the long edge, no?
3060, intel arc770, rx7800xt or 4070 for noise reduction in davinci resolve h264,265(Panasonic GH-6 v-log) how big difference(30min-1h) intel i-5 13500
According to the spec sheets, the 4070 super DOES have dual encoders. At the time I checked when your video launched, I thought I saw that it only had one though. So I'm pretty sure it has dual encoders. Edit: after checking more sources most state only one. Pretty weird nvidias own site says two
brother should i buy the 4070 ti super gigabyte gaming oc or Eagle OC. I need a card which is compact and dual slot. Rest msi and asus are expensive in india, they r priced in 4080 territory and i dont like inno 3d , zotacs , galax or colorful. I am upgrading from Nvidia Rtx 3070 FE. please suggest and tell me is there any difference between gigabyte model in terms of VRMs, mosfets and phase design. Is Eagle OC really inferior to Gaming OC model?.
I am from india and it all comes to just like he said bro 1-2 percent diff in performance infact very negligible just get what suits your build i am going with zotac for the 5 year warranty .... but gigabyte is 2-3k cheaper but 2-3 % better ... so there you go
@@anneakhil yeah bro i bought the eagle OC bcz of his form factor. gaming oc version oc wud hv too big for my case and may hv difficulty in attaching two pins connectors.. eagke OC is the only compact card nezt to msi ventus 2x but then it was priced in 4080 territory.
@@CaptainScorpio24 you must wait bro the price will reduce a bit ... since in india that's always the case the moment the card demand actually increase they will reduce the price a bit ..
it is quite good at this budget. That said, I will swap the cpu for a Ryzen 7 7700 since you do have CUDA acceleration. I am currently pairing the Ryzen 7 7700 with a 4070 Super (might get the Ti Super)
Thank you, interesting. Of course Canadian Amazon doesn't have these listed at all. Just 4070 and 4070 TI. The TI has a huge $300-$400 premium (+35%-50%). Not convinced that the premium is worth it.
from 2000 series only 2060S had more vram than previous ones. 2070S and 2080S has same 8GiB amount. with 4000 the 4070Ti super is only getting it. In both cases it's due to using bigger die in them. 2060 was strongest card with TU106 and 2060S got TU104. 2070, 2070S, 2080 and 2080S all were TU104 too. 4070 and 4070S stay on AD104 as well 4070Ti is also AD104, so not much surprise they don't want to sell AD103 below cost they were selling AD104.
its almost identical to the 2000 series Super cards tho, 3 new Super cards but only one of the 3 gets a vram bump. only the 2060 Super got a bump but it also got a price bump, these supers come at the same price or a cut in the 4080Supers case and one gets more vram.
I have a RTX3090 and there is no way you can tell the difference with a 4070s card during gaming...only in power consumption. 3090 is a Watt shredder....
These cards have higher clocks and are a bit quicker, But the 24gb of vram on the 3090 will render larger and longer simulations in blender. The other cards will time out of vram and crash in blender.
i think the better option is the 3090 because of the extra vram and memory bandwith , i got one used on ebay for 650$ it was a strix version if you can find one for similar price is a really good value 😊
I don't think people understand just how big of a fumble AMD has with their drivers here. The cards you're using to compare have +30% more vram for the same price. In rasture they fight well above their class. And the prices are great. But for some sad reason, they flounder here. It makes no sense because AMD, as a company, isn't lacking a budget. Ryzen may very well be subsidizing Radeon, but that's no excuse to continue being subpar.
@@theTechNotice I guess amd doesn't have a lot to compare to right now. AMd cards aren't very good for creation at any price on the consumer side of things. Was thinking maybe the 4070 ti might be a closer comparison?
I really really want to buy and support AMD for better competition, but daaamn those Blender 3d numbers. If it was 10-20% slower, sure no problem. But 3 times slower at 25% more power usage. Auch.
I built a rig for photo editing. 13700k, 64gb ram, Intel Arc a770. My cameras are 50mp and 30mp. Photo editing with the above is smooth, seamless and FAST! Don't sleep on the A770 for photo editing. It works flawlessly for me.
You are better off getting a proper 10bit display pipeline in place. Look at a good monitor and a pro grade gpu. Lower end Quadro or Radeon Pro. A quality color calibrated pipeline will be far more beneficial.
Use only integer numbers when comparing results. Much easier for audience and nobody benefits from decimals that aren't even true (light variation between runs).
Graphic card prices sucks in India 😡 4070 super msrp is in between 600-650 USD but in India its price for 75000-80000 rupees which if convert to USD its 900 to 950 USD what the fuck is this prices man 😢how the much we can afford something like this 😭😭😭
@@theTechNotice brother should i buy the 4070 ti super gigabyte gaming oc or Eagle OC. I need a card which is compact and dual slot. Rest msi and asus are expensive in india, they r priced in 4080 territory and i dont like inno 3d , zotacs , galax or colorful. I am upgrading from Nvidia Rtx 3070 FE. please suggest and tell me is there any difference between gigabyte model in terms of VRMs, mosfets and phase design. Is Eagle OC really inferior to Gaming OC model?.
I have had the asus and gigabyte card, gigabyte has the best cooling, vrm temps stay below 65 degrees. The asus one has terrible vrm temps, from 85 to 94 degrees.
the 3080 ti outperforms the 4070 super in a decent amount of modern games right now atleast (im sure the performance diff will eventually grow) and im not even talking about 4k also the 4070 ti sometimes underperforms (not really weaker just matching or a fps or two lower keep in mind its supposed to be equal to the 3090 ti) compared to the 3090 in a surprising amount of games that could be a bit of a dated statement but the point of me bringing it up is just to show the 4070 super isnt quite there yet atleast for now
@@samuelburks no it doesn't, it literally matches 3090 & in some games even performs better. Sure at 4k 3090 take a leads by 5 - 10% but then again I believe both cards are bit of compromise at this resolution, hence 1440p is better suited here.
With the burn the house power connector, no, no.... ant the idle power consumption at watching youtube of 100watts... Nvidia can hold this nice piece....
We need way more VRAM for local AI work loads. A hobbyist is not gonna pay $10,000+ for their professional line up, and the only option right now is to buy an apple computer with 128GB+ unified RAM.
It depends on what kind of AI. E.g., LLM likes much VRAM while abstract board games work with small VRAM but can use large RAM for detailed planning. --robert jasiek
Can you help me choose between the RX 7800 XT and the RTX 4070? I'll be using it for gaming and game development in Unreal Engine 5. I'm a beginner with 3D games and modeling (creating characters, environments, etc.), and I'm unsure which one to pick. The 16GB VRAM on the 7800 XT seems great for future-proofing, but if I use ray tracing at a medium level while making games, would it be able to handle it? I’ll also be using Blender for creating environments and characters, and I don’t mind if AMD has slower rendering speeds compared to NVIDIA, as long as it’s not too slow. Just feeling a bit confused about which one would be better overall
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