Trash or Treasure - 2013 Mac Pro Upgrade and Review

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Ah, the 2013 Mac Pro. The Trash Can of Computers. Innovation out the.... well, you know where it came from. Today, I'm going to upgrade a base model Mac Pro, turning it into the 12-Core Beast it always should have been.
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@DerekBeins Год назад

Hey Jeff! Just wanted to drop a message to let you know I noticed an issue that cropped up with your audio ducking. Looks like it's all offset by about 20/30 seconds or so, where it gets loud and plays over you while you're still talking on-camera, and gets quiet before the montage is done. This is the second video I've seen this happen to within the last few weeks. Not a huge deal of course, but wanted to make sure you were aware of it. Stuff happens in editing when content is cut but the keyframes aren't updated. Great show otherwise! :)

@popcorny007 Год назад

Glad someone else pointed this out

@TheBatNaz Год назад

I just presumed he had drank too many beers while editing

@maarten8373 Год назад

Its probably a case of pasting in the sponsor spot last minute and not moving the background audio tracks accordingly. Video editor had one beer to many to notice.

@rett.isawesome Год назад

@@maarten8373 I think this is it. It ends early too. Because we also have the ad free version on floatplane. I was certain I checked the transitions before rendering. But seems like the wrong music track got muted.

@maarten8373 Год назад

@@rett.isawesome Heh, figures. Glad to hear its Linus' fault and not you having one beer too many (if there even is such a thing).

@wertacus Год назад

I always loved this design. It was super expensive and made no sense but I loved that form factor and how they packed everything in.

@lexwaldez Год назад

The fitment on that case sliding down over the hardware... it's perfect. Stupid expensive? Yes. Did some faculty get them for cuda-computing? Yes. Do they still run well? Yes.

@RusselGosu Год назад

@@lexwaldez I don't think the answer to "Do they still run well?" is necessarily yes. As noted in the video, the higher end models were prone to GPU failure (and even acknowledged by Apple), and even the lower ends could fail.

@waynefilkins8394 6 месяцев назад

same here. Everyone was making fun of them or w/e but I honestly think it was one of those things where most people pretended not to like them because they were so expensive and they knew they couldn't afford them lol. I always thought they were cool af.

@stephencawker1565 6 месяцев назад

i have the 12 core model,I love constently improving it..I m waiting for a 970 pro from ebay,but it has a 950 pro samsung right now,, black magic speed...1290 write...1389 read,could get 14,s and 1500 with the 970 pro.Just so you guys know works good, in the Trash can@@RusselGosu

@stephencawker1565 6 месяцев назад

The stock ssd is Samsung,,Know what i mean,The trash Can loves!,,the 970 evo,970 evo plus, and the 970 pro...the 970 evo, not evo plus is garenteed 1400 write 15 20 read, no shit, 1600 is max, you cant beat these scores

@Gastell0 Год назад

2010-2015 is crazy time when Apple would screw up thermal settings just for it to be silent, even if it will melt whatever laptop is standing on, whoever was pushing this should have been put into silent room and left there if they like it so much

@romevang Год назад

Kept going longer than that, my 2019 i7 Macbook pro likes to melt itself down when I'm not using a manual fan curve. The i9 version was made even more infamous by Dave2D when he noticed it performed better in a freezer.

@Wokiis Год назад

@@romevang What? Almost all modern cpus in laptop enclosures would perform better when put into colder ambient. I hope that wasn't a reveleation to anyone who watches tech-youtubers.

@romevang Год назад

@@Wokiis Apple didn’t correctly tune the i9 model on launch, so it performed worse than the i7. Once Dave2D placed it in the freezer, it began outperforming the i7 like it was supposed to. The point of the freezer was to highlight the laptop shipped with shitty CPU tuning and that you shouldn’t have to put your laptop in a freezer for it to work right.

@Wokiis Год назад

@@romevang Ah ok sounds like shitty fan tuning, then. The big weakness of those late Intel 15"/16" MBP is that if both GPU and CPU are utilized at the same time, the VRM overheats and forces the CPU to go down steeply below base clock. Really odd we accepted such behaviour on expensive laptops, but since this was most evident in games (sustained combined load) and "mac users don't game", I guess they got away with it.

@mborows2 Год назад

Go and buy PC jet, I don't care about CPU temperature at all. Being silent is something which is the most important Apple computer advantage.

@beauregardslim1914 Год назад

Always loved the *idea* of how this machine cooled.

@alesksander Год назад

Enginnering nightmare. :D And i love it for quirky idea LOL

@cubchristoph Год назад

The Mac Studio is very similar in concept: sucking air in from underneath, passing the CPU cooler on its way up, and being pushed out by a fan on the highest section of the case. Also, no internal expansion; everything has to be added via external IO ports.

@alesksander Год назад

@@cubchristoph Yeah kinda. Most simmilar design in recent times except passive systems is new Xbox. Trashcan had it merits conceptually just not for HW at that time and its perfomance windows and design rules.

@hardknox144 Год назад

Recently upgraded mine to 12-cores, 128GB ram, 2TB SSD, and hooked it up to an eGPU. Works fast enough for me. I'm doing mostly Logic Pro for music production and I run full sessions with lots of Wave Plugins and AU instruments. No hiccups, no problems. It's treasure for me. I like the look of the machine and my casing is mint, not even a scratch. Can't stand the cube designs.

@waynefilkins8394 6 месяцев назад

tbh that sounds like a beast.

@richeyrich2203 3 месяца назад

Will it work well with an egpu if the inner graphics is fried? How does the set up look? (Imgur plz) Get an egpu setup that looks good?

@spencer5135 Год назад

Just a note about the storage, as I just finished working on one of these myself: the pcie slot for the storage is rated for gen 2x2, not just the origi al drive. If you use an adapter and install a gen 3x4 drive, you will not get the 3000mb speeds you discussed in the video (in my testing, it appeared capped out at 1200mb post upgrade, much like what you said the original drive was capable of). That said, it is much cheaper to get an off the shelf nvme and an adapter than it is to get a used original drive if you intend to upgrade, so there still is benefit.

@catalystguitarguy Год назад

yeah, that's about what I got from using the proprietary adapter on my macbook air from 2015. just about double peak sata ssd speeds. still was worth the upgrade for me based on capacity alone from 128gb to 1TB.

@RobertBullock 10 месяцев назад

Same. Adapter plus 2TB (Evo 970 IIRC) gave about a 10% bump maybe over the 1TB which was obv. pretty fast to begin with.

@ThaaaaGoat Год назад

Hi Jeff, I've been watching your videos since the Chinese x79 motherboards. You filled the niche of cheap server projects when nobody else did. Keep up the good work and have a nice day!

@eduardocarrasco8830 Год назад

Using a 110-115 W TDP Xeon, thermals are a bit better. Disconnecting physically the slave AMD Dxxx card makes thermals much better. Even so, using the opencore gimmick to unlock the use of eGPU using TB2, makes it a bit more current for today's use. Special concerns with the ECC controller on the Xeons that could render you ram useless. There is 3D printed base you can mount this with a noctua fan and improves air flow though the triangular thermal core, makes it better. Repasting everything also helps. You can install different AMD Dxxx cards if one of them fails, but is cheaper to put opencore and use an eGPU, though limited to TB2 20gb/s.

@ingusmant Год назад

How expensive is to replace the standard card with the top of the line one? Can you just remove the other card or it wont turn on?

@AwSomeNESSS Год назад

This would've been an interesting form factor if Apple actually offered upgrade boards for it. Like, if in 2015 they released Haswell-E and Firepro W7100 boards, I think they could've gotten some longevity out of this form factor. Instead it never changed until being outshone by the iMac Pro as the stopgap solution till the new tower.

@eduardocarrasco8830 Год назад

@@ingusmant Hi there, at some point when I had this Mac last year, the D500 and D700 card were really hard to find and people would sell them for like 500-700 USD each. When I had mine I didn't remove, just disconnected the slave D300 and the computer started normally. The slave Dxxx card does not have any monitor output wired to it, all is managed through the master one. Only helps on processing that's all. This is why using opencore, using a TB2 to TB3 adapter and an eGPU, goes so much better boosting performance on apps.

@hiddenhawk13 Год назад

The market that this really shines in is for audio/studio engineers. This video might have me buying one for the studio since I have a 2008 cheese grater

@dannyknox4314 Год назад

And the fact that I want to use my thunderbolt displays with all of the child windows in Logic Pro spread across 2 screens.

@TinyBearTim 8 дней назад

How just buy a Mac mini

@tcnymex Год назад

The tiny little picture, on the tiny little screen, of my tiny little cell phone, made what you were holding look like a tiny little cylinder. as if what you dug out of the trash was a curta mechanical calculator ... Which would definitely be a treasure

@CraftComputing Год назад

Man, I would love a Curta!!!

@xcalybur75 Год назад

I am an Apple Certified Tech and have taken apart plenty of the trash can Mac Pro and they were always a pain. Especially since the screws for the CPU retention needed to be torqued down to a specific spec according to Apple and we had to use a special tool to do it.

@PS3PCDJ Год назад

Calling yourself an "Apple Certified Tech" and thinking it's impressive is like buying a toy gun and a fake police badge and calling yourself a policeman.

@stevearkwright Год назад

@@PS3PCDJ: It’s *extremely* impressive - what’s with the negativity?…

@tenhovergonha8739 Год назад

@@PS3PCDJ woooosh

@TreyMotes Год назад

@@PS3PCDJ Imagine being this much of a douche bag for zero reason to a completely random stranger.

@richarddib Год назад

@@PS3PCDJ Jesus ... why the hate? You think that working with a PC box is harder? It only shows your ignorance ...

@pcsproshop8972 Год назад

Thank you for your time & patience ;) I've only had to repair ONE of these, and I am totally ok with never having to open one again. My repair worked well enough, yet I have yet to be paid~ so the gift that kept on giving. That was 2018, too bad iFixit had little info at the time. Appreciated Jeff!

@SgtKilgore406 Год назад

Finished paying off an Affirm loan for my 2013 Mac Pro D700. At first I thought the Mac Pro was a dud as it would run terrible and often times crash and restart. Recently narrowed the problem down to a faulty SSD. Replaced with a Samsung 980 Pro 2TB w/Heatsink NVMe and that made all the different in the world. Mac now runs like a champ with no issues at all!

@transitengineer Год назад

Thank you, for an excellent video, and man you got skills. As for myself, this model is a true "treasure". Because earlier this year, I paid about double your cost for a used "trash can" Mac Pro 8-core/D700/64GB/ 1TB SSD and, I paired it with my Apple 27-inch Cinema LED (none thunderbolt) display and everything is working great (smile..smile).

@lukefilewalker9454 Год назад

This is Awesome! I just upgraded my 2010 Mac Pro 5,1 with an AMD RX 570 and Monterey. 👍🏻

@gilesl Год назад

still use mine all day everyday for audio post production, I took mine to 10 core which is a really nice compromise for better single core performance.

@TheMactrix Год назад

jeff, I bought a second hand 8 core, 64 GB Twin D500 Graphics card and 2 x 1 TB NVmE drives. Aside from the fact that it was finally orphaned, as far as the new version of MacOS goes, it has been good for a general purpose machine. Some of my video tools have support for running on the 2nd GPU... which helps a lot. I got some older Thunderbolt two hardware... like a Thunderbolt 2 hardware Hub... USB-A, Firewire, and Thunderbolt 2... which makes things rock. I also have a 6 GB OWC RAID CAGE as it were... that is Thunderbolt 2 and that works great. I think you are helping a lot of people put together a nice machine that will serve them well once they updated it. Thanks so much!

@Wokiis Год назад

Btw pretty sure DaVinci Resolve Studio supported utilizing both GPUs on this device. As well as Apples own Final Cut Pro. Sucks to be in pretty much any other professional field than video production, though :D

@itsdeonlol Год назад

This design was great! It's still nice!

@user-ct7wu1zv9e Год назад

Hello dear "Craft". Thank you for your videos. Watching them is like watching how fire burning. With such pleasant music and you reassembling something. For me it is like meditation.

@adamw9764 Год назад

i always thought this design was neat, kind of want to get one to mess with. Cool video!

@tenhovergonha8739 Год назад

And it is ...

@php4u Год назад

Awesome! The sarcasm is top-drawer.

@sbrazenor2 Год назад

I collect old Macs; at least the ones that have interesting designs. I have one of these and while I don't use it for anything crazy, I do have to say it's aged well for basic functions.

@JasonCrosen Год назад

I loved the design concept when these were announced but I hated working on them when I was at Apple. It had a lot of potential but I feel like so many corners were cut to get the design as small as it is.

@smileyguyz Год назад

Well, it is a circle. They cut EVERY corner ;)

@efwewfwef1549 Год назад

it had the handwriting of a out of control jonny ive all over it!!!

@Holdeenio Год назад

Hey Jeff, thanks for the insight - have always loved the aesthetic of this weird but wonderful machine. Are you selling yours now? 👀👀👀

@Saampson85 Год назад

Great video. FYI: Background music was all over the place. Sometimes during the montage and sometimes during vocal parts. It was just strange.

@williamwinslow8807 Год назад

Also threatened to drown out the vocals at times.

@puretrack06 Год назад

Okay I thought I was going crazy

@asdf51501 Год назад

The music did succeed in that I totally felt like I was in an elevator.

@technicallyme Год назад

I have one of those and I upgraded it to 12core and I love it 😅 Couple things I ran into. The torque on the processor to the heatsink needs to be spot on! Because of the lack of traditional socket retention. And I thought I had a video board problem but it turned out to not get along with a Dell monitor with hdmi 2.0

@RobertBullock 10 месяцев назад

Same-ish, I have a Dell that it blanks black for a second then comes back. TB to HDMI-DV adapter plugged into the Dell's DVI.

@greenprotag Год назад

Have you tried Windows or Linux bare metal on this device? I am curious about dual GPU support on this hardware with a different operating system.

@ThePsychoticWombat Год назад

Crossfire is useless in Linux, maybe if there is some vulkan application that is written for multiple GPUs... In windows and DX11 (older drivers) it should probably be OK if the application support crossfire

@aztracker1 Год назад

That was my curiosity too... Not sure about offloading anything to the second gpu without crossfire. But guessing it may actually perform better in a lot of ways.

@WolvenSpectre Год назад

It is probably the same as if you put multiple GPUs in a Windows PC with no Crossfire support and no SLI Bridge.

@ThePsychoticWombat Год назад

@@WolvenSpectre from what I can read up about this it does support crossfire(though never games don't support it) and was quite the gaming powerhouse when running Windows in bootcamp back in the day. Now I can only see like 3D rendering applications being able to use it as vulkan multi-GPU is only supported by a few games(like under 10)

@drdonesomething Год назад

@@ThePsychoticWombat That's correct -- it does indeed have crossfire support surprisingly (surprising given it's lack of support in Mac OS).

@tommihommi1 Год назад

It's funny how the mounting solution for the CPU in the socket looks *a lot* like what people like der8auer have been developing for 12th/13th gen Intel now

@sandmanxo Год назад

What a pain to upgrade. My only dealing with one was in 2019 when I had to work on one to join active directory. I did pull the cover to see what it was like inside but didn't get any further. It was fun throwing pieces of paper to see who could make it land in the trash can though, so at least there was that.

@saiyantwan Год назад

Hi Jeff, I think you guys should check your audio settings. there were a good number of times where the music would over take you then times when you went really loud. You had another video do that a bit ago as well.

@zoomosis Год назад

The curious thing about these is that despite all their faults and being almost 10 years old, in Australia they still sell for excess of $800 (around US$700).

@abdullahnawaz298 Год назад

Did you dug this out of the trash or did you dug the trash out of it 😂

@CraftComputing Год назад

Yes

@kurtpena5462 Год назад

@@CraftComputing Kinda neat how the GPU's can heat up the CPU's and vice versa. Does it sound as much like a HEPA filter as it looks? Would love to hear that fan running at constant speed!

@CraftComputing Год назад

It sounds almost EXACTLY like an air filter when the fan is topped out.

@digitalclips Год назад

I have the middle version from 2013 with 64 GB, and once I moved on with Apple hardware I installed Windows, not as boot camp, but as the only bootable OS. It is great for Windows 10 machine and runs Catalyst no problem.

@jordanmartinetti8224 Год назад

I recognize that silver toolkit, i have the same one! It's great kit for all those smaller bits.

@daeric Год назад

Interestingly enough, it’s still on the HCL for the current version of ESXi!

@ikwilgeenkanaalzeur Год назад

Wow those results of the m1 mini, still impressed with the design of 2013 pro.

@mikek1187 Год назад

I own one and maxed out its CPU as well, going through the similar hell you did of replacing the old one, LOL. My unit usually sits idle, but I do use it when I do recap and PCB repair work via electrician's microscope, as the USB microscope camera outputs to the trashcan's monitor. Plus, I've always wanted one of these but they were WAYYYYY out of my price range until the past couple years.

@danielrhodes7594 Год назад

Hi Jeff, I loved the video and was wondering your opinion on how to better cool the trash can mac? If the heat sink was copper, would that work? Is there a fan at the bottom that could be upgraded? Or is that a proprietary fan at the top, which pulls air up? Can that be upgrading to pull more air?

@MrBunet1900 2 месяца назад

I did buy one and I am happy with it. I love the design and I am using it as a basic mac. You also can turn it in to a Linux box and that is also good. This computer has many uses and it is cheap.

@BeeWhere Год назад

Cool video, I'm not a mac person but I notice that where Apple goes, people follow, sometimes. No one cared to follow this monster. Also learned that the 1/4 inch ifixit Mahi kit is not really a small device kit. I love my 64 bit Mako kit, it goes all the way from T2 to T25.

@ted356 Год назад

Yeah, but the "cool factor" is hard to measure. Really enjoyed the build, and appreciate the diversion. :)

@bryans8656 Год назад

I had one of these and upgraded the cpu, storage, and RAM. I really loved that thing despite its shortcomings, but finally sold it when the M1 Macs came out.

@kenwho Год назад

love the detail about specs. i have a suggestion though - when outlining specs can you also leave it up as a text headline so we can read along as well?

@GreenIllness Год назад

Your videos feels christmas themed.

@blendpinexus1416 Год назад

i really liked the design of this mac pro. apple never updated the hardware to give it more speed but it really was just cool.

@andrewcolville4551 Год назад

Good on you...refreshment while working

@covrtdesign5279 Год назад

If you ever felt the need to give this one away to a disabled Air Force veteran that needs an updated machine for graphic design work... Great video!

@zednik8956 Год назад

I've bought one of these recently for around 200gbp / 250 usd on an ebay bid. plan on upgrading to the 12c 24t and 64gb ram when i get a hold of it

@waffleman1832 Год назад

still one of the best looking trash cans ever made

@CheeseBallsMcGyver Год назад

Not sure why the algorithm decided this was the video to send to introduce me to your channel, but damn it I’m hooked

@billlodhia5640 Год назад

Hey Jeff, I think this machine would make a bomb virtualization machine given the twin NICs and the very capable Broadcom wireless chip. Turning this into a silent LXC host with Proxmox with a virtualized firewall would be pretty dope!

@devhowto Год назад

it will pull 150W at idle though with this 12 core CPU.

@JethroRose 5 месяцев назад

pretty much what i’m going to buy one for. that and the fact that they’re the coolest looking mac ever made and will be collectible like the g4 cube

@billgates3699 4 месяца назад

This is the ‼️ONLY‼️ time I have ever seen somebody make a video about a Mac and didn’t use Chipmunk Trap music in the background. Thank you for not driving us insane with screeching chipmunks and horrible drum loops.

@CheapBastard1988 Год назад

I never liked these. It also didn't help that Apple never updated the internals down the road, even when Ivy Bridge CPU's were way past their prime. It's no wonder why many Mac Pro users who needed more power went into Hackintoshing.

@aztracker1 Год назад

Yeah... Kind of a shame the hackintosh option will effectively die in a couple years.

@Halon1234 Год назад

The original vision of the trash can Mac Pro’s graphics configuration was that the second GPU could be leveraged for OpenCL compute. Apple was a huge booster of the specification - I’m pretty sure they authored it - and its broader failure versus CUDA was part of what led them down making Metal their sole priority going forward.

@systemsincode7023 Год назад

This IS an innovative design, massive shame it didn't quite deliver on all fronts. Have seen a few pcs inspired by its approach, and think the latest creator? Macs seems to have similar in at the bottom exhaust at the top scheme that by all accounts keep them v quiet indeed.

Год назад

Hi, great video. One question: Can you edit 10 bit 422 full intra video from a gh5 on this machine?

@MartinBogomolni Год назад

I found and upgraded my 2013 trashcan mac to a E5-2697v2 ( 12 core ) and maximum ram ( 64GB ) ... worked like a charm. Upgrading my nVME drive to a 2TB and everything works.. fine. Better than fine. Totally useable.

@marilynlucas5128 Год назад

Which nVME drive did you use?

@MartinBogomolni Год назад

@@marilynlucas5128 Samsung 970 EVO Plus SSD 2TB with a Sintech NGFF M.2 nVME SSD Adapter Card

@marilynlucas5128 Год назад

@@MartinBogomolni Thanks :)

@thedavidj1996 Год назад

I think it is one of the most beautiful computers ever made. Along side the Macintosh 128k and the iBook Clamshells. I’d say the current MacPro is also quite beautiful, and the current M1 iMac.

@ryanzmuda3167 Год назад

Is there a way to get the new thunderbolt or usbc on there.

@Arch_Dude Год назад

Mine worked great until upgrading to the second version of Big Sur. There was a memory hole that apple finally patched caused by Safari. I still have one of the GPU's showing one of the GPU's memory being maxed out in iStat. I'm having sluggish performance. Any ideas on a fix?

@karimsukkar7398 Год назад

Wonder how this would run with manjaro running on it instead of apple (as well as possibly using liquid metal to help with the cooling rather the just the normal thermal paste) giving some idea's if I can find one in ireland/UK :D

@ms1595 Год назад

Is it possible to use purge wrangler to make a external graphicscard work? I used purge wrangler to make an eGPU work on a 2015 iMac with only Thunderbolt 2. Sure the transferspeed is lower than TB3, what means lower performance but maybe worth a try.

@JuliePGUK Год назад

That heatsink is so inefficient they could of easily doubled the fin count and increased the surface area for heat dissipation

@tenhovergonha8739 Год назад

And put some options to put the fans louder and faster

@computernerdinside Год назад

@@tenhovergonha8739 3rd party apps allow you to do this, I believe.

@computernerdinside Год назад

While true, it probably would have also increased the cost of the heatsink considerably, as smaller, closer fins in a shape like that, I can't imagine were made in a cheap-cut fashion like most others.

@Malc180s Год назад

Would've made it noisy. Pointless.

@computernerdinside Год назад

@@Malc180s With the low fan speeds, maybe not so much. I'd imagine a much greater fin density in a heatsink like that would drive the cost way up though.

@jaredphillips6655 Год назад

Hello Jeff. How about upgrading the video cards and install steam os or windows on that mac?

@GreenCinco12Official Год назад

Others already pointed out the audio issue. But I wonder if you cleaned the fan in the top? At 12:41 it looks like there is a ton of dust in it. ^^

@DKGCustom Год назад

Just retired my Trash Can for Mac Studio. Loved every moment of using it, and it performed perfectly in 8 years of use

@jbrandt7 6 месяцев назад

I wonder if you could use it (or a couple of them) as a video / blender render farm ?

@djw1091994 Год назад

So what about Windows? Maybe liquid metal thermal? I know you shouldn't with copper but would be interesting to see. I suppose either way you can't get around the hard coded 100watt limit.

@LetrixAR Год назад

Where does the sound from the outro cames from? For a moment I thought Echo would start playing.

@j.lietka9406 Год назад

Of all the PCs, laptops, Chromebooks, tablets I have found, I have only found one apple MacBook pro. A 1502 someone tossed out by the side of the road. Great find! The cylinder shaped computer was only for a short time? Thank you

@jmonsted Год назад

It's a beautiful piece of engineering, but a hilariously stupid result :) Given nothing really supports the dual GPUs anyway, could you just not install one of them?

@3dduff Год назад

One small correction to your video. The "Trashintosh" DID support external GPUS through Thunderbolt. I ran mine for almost 2 years with an external Nvidia 980ti. I know, as shocking as that sounds, it was actually a perfect setup. Then Apple had a major MacOS update come out that PURPUSLY killed the external GPU function. I was constantly in contact with the support team that made my External CPU enclosed, and they informed me "Apple didn't just not include the drivers needed they REMOVED the APIs that the drivers depended on to communicate with the OS." just a couple weeks later Nvidia offishaly ended Mac Support, and I was left with a $1500 Brick dongle. But even after all that. I was a VERY early adopter for this computer...I was on the phone ording one at 2am when they started to sell them. In retrospect, yes I paid WAY too much for it. But I am a 3D freelancer and took it with me to 3-4 different studios that I was working with. So in my case it was my work horse for almost two years, and it DEFINETLY payed its self off. In fact Its still up and running as my Storage and license server.

@brostenen Год назад

Sounds a bit like when Sony screwed up "Other OS".

@CoPoint Год назад

Two thoughts: - The screws: Just _how many_ different sizes of screws are on that thing (plus, possibly, how many different lengths of the same size...)? Even if this isn't exactly designed for end user maintenance - boy, they _really_ must hate their maintenance techs at Apple... - The common heat sink: Yup, that must be about the absolute worst idea of the whole system - the CPU heating (and over time killing...) the GPUs. Why not give each of the three sides their own (unconnected) baseplate plus fins, all reaching into the same common air channel (all in the same end shape as the original heat sink)? That way, every side of the triangle can heat up for itself - plus, going by the angles the fins are going off from the CPU side, pointing at the GPUs, the GPUs don't seem to get nearly enough fins to achieve adequate cooling when getting under any kind of higher load...

@nilswegner2881 Год назад

The combined heatsink thing is what makes my Thinkpad T410s basically useless. The nvidia NVS3100 makes the i5 520M overheat in no time...

@HeyItsJonny Год назад

The cooling fins could have been a rolled finned aluminum cut for each part that would neatly slide in without touching each other

@hishnash Год назад

Would be really interesting to see if someone did a thermal mod of the trashcan macPro, replace the heatsink with a copper fin stack and modern heat pipes they might well be able to cool the power draw of all those parts, there are modern gaming laptops that pull back close to that power levels.

@stevearkwright Год назад

Maximum Continuous Power: 450w.

@declangallagher1448 Год назад

I LOVE how Macs start with 256GB of storage now :D Just LOVE it

@TheBlackFoxMaster Год назад

Я так понимаю туда можно поставить любую видеокарту, просто нужно распаять разъём подключения и питание. Наверняка эти схемы ежу давно есть в интернете.

@darylcheshire1618 Год назад

I saw a youtube of a whole server farm totally out of trashcan macs. Was amazing to see rows and rows of trashcans in racks. Not sure if it’s still in operation. It will probably be expensive to maintain.

@stevearkwright Год назад

That’s right - they were installed in special server rack trays which looked unbelievably futuristic (flat, matt black front plates with circles in them for the bases of the MacPro’s showing). Stacked up in racks, they looked like something off the Death Star (!). Those alone would’ve been super-expensive. I wonder if they’re still in use somewhere?…

@ghost-user559 Год назад

Yeah I read an article that they bought millions upon millions of dollars worth of them right to until they discontinued them. I think they still use them for renting out Apple virtual machines for application developers

@waynefilkins8394 6 месяцев назад

4:50 what many don't realize is how light macOS was back then. It really didn't take much ram to run it, but people always judge ram the same in mac and PC.

@Cooper3312000 Год назад

They support boot camp and VMware esxi they still make great little silent 24/7 servers without out of band management of course.

@timbathras2660 Год назад

As support for Intel MacOS wanes, that seems like it could make a nice Linux workstation or small scale hypervisor host.

@IHateHandlesWayTooMuch Год назад

Exactly my thoughts. There are users around me who like running multiple vms at home and don't mind slower single thread performance because the systems are isolated, which this would be a perfect candidate for.

@johnbrooks7350 2 месяца назад

A used Mac Studio is honestly a killer deal right now. I’m currently clocking a 128GB M1 Max Mac Studio got $2800. Only reason I’m waiting is because I’m hoping the M3 comes out for Mac Studio and the M2’s drop price

@Draknem Год назад

I was thinking you would suggest using it to host vms with gpu passthrough

@DarkRavenProductions Год назад

i loved my mac pro then one day it started up but wouldn't display anything i can only assume the graphics card went now its just an expensive paperweight, i miss it and wish it could be fixed

@danl2073 Год назад

Great video. Any reason not to install Windows 10 or Linux on this thing?

@ogbenchmarks7127 Год назад

thumbs up just for the "call me" - very smooth - interesting video

@TheBennyDee Месяц назад

Any idea if these GPUs are any good for video transcoding in Jellyfin or Plex? I’m assuming they can’t assist with AI workloads… I just think this would be a cool looking AI chassis 😅

@DouglasWalrath Год назад

i bet if they had added more fins to that heat sink it would've been more capable of cooling the higher end GPUs, the fin gaps on that thing looked like they were a mile wide

@rahulchandra152 Год назад

Does it work well as a trash can, without a seal I could see bugs going into it... do you get bugs?

@TheHoldenmcgroin Год назад

Its on OSX, it doesnt get Bugs. ;)

@SethWhaley Год назад

Hey Jeff, do you think if they released this today with their own silicon that it would be as hated of a product?

@efwewfwef1549 Год назад

a cooler looking mac studio

@bangdollarsign 2 месяца назад

I feel your pain, getting that far and having to break it back down and reassemble because you forgot one little non-standard part that made no sense being there... sub'd!

@constantinefotiadis 8 месяцев назад

Is it worth buying it right now? I do like that amazing design! But in which Mac OS is discontinued? In easier words, can I pair it with my iPhone, and have iMessage, FaceTime and compatibility each other? And which iPhone? 11, 12, 13?