Runnymede Society Queen's Debate: Jordan Peterson and Bruce Pardy

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On January 23rd, this debate was held at Queen's Faculty of Law. The resolution: "Be it resolved that people have the legal right to decide the pronouns by which they will be addressed".
BREAKDOWN:
Intro, Joanna Baron: 0:00
Opening, Bruce Pardy: 1:35
Opening, Jordan Peterson: 16:19
Rebuttal, Bruce Pardy: 32:00
Rebuttal, Jordan Peterson: 37:24
Student Q&A: 42:45
The Runnymede Society is a national student membership organization dedicated to exploring the ideas and ideals of the rule of law, constitutionalism, and individual liberty. For more, please visit www.runnymedesociety.ca.

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@glasnikov 5 лет назад

I don't think I've ever heard anyone play devil's advocate as well as Bruce. Huge respect.

@briandunlap3243 2 года назад

First original comment I have seen that understands Dr. Pardy's position, rather than saying his position is stupid. Good on you.

@kylebramhall2604 2 года назад

I love the way he speaks, he could convince me to change my pronoun ;)

@mindyschaper 6 лет назад

Professor Pardy was playing devil's advocate? That makes so much sense. He slid into opposition of the law midway.

@paoemantega8793 5 лет назад

Looks to me that Dr. Peterson's argument was so strong that Dr Pardy is now a lobster ;)

@NicktheLP 3 года назад

Dr Pardy*

@paoemantega8793 3 года назад

@@NicktheLP thank you

@YeeHawwCountryCovers 3 года назад

Needs some serotonin to get back up the hierarchy?

@briandunlap3243 2 года назад

In defense of Dr. Pardy, he was arguing a position he didn't necessarily agree with; simply knew the debate needed to be had.

@di77me 6 лет назад

he lost the debate on "your majesty" even before peterson gets up. If you insist that you cant force a person to call you your majesty because you are not royalty, you don't get to force people to call you any other made up not real thing. bang done.

@briansindorf9121 6 лет назад

di77me Agreed! I don't think arbitrary distinctions have a place in law. This is my big and obvious objection to most laws that restrict or compel speach. If you can't get specific, it just isn't good enough.

@bellcross9985 6 лет назад

that was so stupid. well if someone tells me she/he wants to be called by i don't know what pronoun than i can just tell him/'her to show me that they are not a he/she.

@Lawful_Rebel 6 лет назад

di77me Yep.. He done fucked up. Haha

@Rong2k 6 лет назад

You can't blame prof. Pardy, really. He just tried to present the idea he doesn't agree with the best he could, it's not his fault the idea itself is bad. As is said at 1:14:45, he was playing devil's advocate, since no other law professor was willing to argue against Peterson.

@catlikecreature 5 лет назад

he's playing devil's advocate. he went to the ontario legislature opposing the legislation

@undaunted1513 6 лет назад

This first speaker is missing the point entirely.. Peterson has said many times, His issue is the Govt "Commanding" the use of certain language, He doesn't care if you "Wish" to be called a turnip for example but the govt usurping authority over the language we , as a populace. use

@user-mp9rd4hg8b 4 года назад

Notice how, in his intro, he *blazes* past "hate speech," without any clarification whatsoever, as an example of not having "real free speech" to start with. But it is this "hate speech" thing that is the crux of the argument against enforcing C16.

@Gruuvin1 6 лет назад

What JBP is talking about around one hour in is REALLY insightful!

@richardhunter1467 5 лет назад

Compassion is what the mother grizzly bear feels as she eats you for getting too close to her cubs - exactly.

@mindyschaper 6 лет назад

Thank you for hosting this peaceful and reasonable debate. Much appreciated.

@derekkras 7 лет назад

jesus , i cant believe how much ive learnt from Mr P i already feel like i can work as a psychiatrist , thank you Sir!

@christofg5722 7 лет назад

*psychologist

@genexss 7 лет назад

he legitimately saved me from and taught me how to understand my suicidal thoughts. my life has become at least 100% better since becoming obsessed with his channel.

@makermarx8862 7 лет назад

adjust your volume ↓ DOWN ↓ before moving to the next video! especially with earphones.

@laceytheking1993 2 года назад

What a great debate and the perfect forum for this kind of discussion. The student questions were also excellent and well addressed by the speakers.

@frankh.5378 6 лет назад

If gender can be obscured by 71+ pronouns, then how about race? If someone now wants to be called 3rd gen Chinese, 4th gen white, 3rd generation black, do we then forcefully use these ridiculous names? How about beauty? No one can say if someone is pretty bc the word offends the ‘others’. How about words like obese or handicapped, any word that describes a person such as hair type, clothing ? Where do we draw the line of this language policing?

@gregoriosamsa2722 6 лет назад

Waking the Dead that's a good example man

@andthereisntone1 7 лет назад

Thank you, gentlemen.

@paoemantega8793 4 года назад

Good name

@aimannafeez2881 3 года назад

i like how peterson just moves about the room making the cameraman to constantly pan left and right using I assume a tight and not very well oiled tripod

@magottyk 7 лет назад

36:15 _"The point is that gender should be irrelevant in the classroom, just like race should be irrelevant in the classroom. "_ This is the point where Bruce loses the argument, because this is an admittance that the subjective identity is irrelevant in the classroom and an argument for androgyny. Thus is an argument against the law which states that gender identity is not only relevant, but of such great importance that punishment can be applied to those who do not acknowledge the subjective identity of the individual over the objective identity of the individual. What we have left is objective identity, which custom has it as a binary and not a trinary. You might have also noticed Bruce's use of "it" as the place mark for the unknown neutral identity, a pronoun that if used would see him hauled before the courts due to the law he is defending. Any gender neutral person in the audience could have taken offence and made a complaint, even though the remark wasn't specific to them, but it was to their identity.

@magottyk 7 лет назад

I noticed at the end that Bruce played Devils advocate, then well played on an untenable position.

@CasparLeones 7 лет назад

It's an uncommon ability, to take opinions contrary to your own, and develop and articulate them to the point that others are convinced you actually possess them.

@magottyk 7 лет назад

I do it all the time apparently, I get called all sorts of nasty labels just for pointing out when the opposition is right or has a valid perspective. I've argued against atheists on the question of whether atheism is a religion, and got called a christian fundamentalist (I'm an atheist btw, I'm just not into the philosophy of atheism because there shouldn't be one, it's a state of being and not a moral compass). I've argued pro life, though I'm pragmatically pro choice and got called a Christian fundamentalist. I've Argued Mohamed was not a paedophile, I won't repeat what it was I was called. (Yeah he was a kiddy fiddler, but we must be careful not to judge the past on modern moral norms.) But then I argue against my own positions all the time and I hate it when I'm right.

@anialiandr 5 лет назад

these people cant think as Peterson points out

@thelightwithin7437 3 года назад

👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 Well said!!!!!!

@laurovaldez8752 3 года назад

Why was there a cut shortly after the 51:00 marker?? I wanted to hear what they had to say

@adamgolding 6 лет назад

12:43 It's one thing to say that we can't insist on objectively false descriptions but that doesn't mean we get to insist on every subjective one

@Luck_x_Luck 7 лет назад

can anybody help me out? what i keep missing from the debate is the timing when a pronoun is used, a personal/gendered pronoun isn't used when speaking to someone because then "you" is used. he or she for example is used when you refer to someone mainly when talking to someone else to make sure that someone other than the refferred person understands who you are talking about, and isn't even about how a person is. how often do you refer to someone you hardly know at all? exactly, you do not refer to people to communicate with them, but with reference to them and the point is not that they follow you, but the person you are talking to. the point here though is why have the male female split at all, i'd like to say because of the universal average differences between men and women (or even the universal concept of a difference between men and women) which occurs in almost every language accross the world, bu this point wouldn't strike in social construction theory.

@undaunted1513 6 лет назад

Actually...……. "IT" works perfectly well

@sleepykitty8918 3 года назад

Clowns scare me when they're in the sewers. I don't care if you have cotton candy and popcorn! The sewer is no place for food! >:( And *no* I don't want to float. Heights are scary! Darn spooky clowns in the sewers trying to abduct me. I'm in my twenties now! Just because I look like a teen doesn't mean I'm your prey. And who the bloody hell is Georgie? To heck with that paper boat!

@JennK777 7 лет назад

OMG! The sound from moving the camera is driving me insane!

@Gruuvin1 6 лет назад

Here is a generic political debate question that has been split into two parts: "Would it be good and kind and respectful for people to treat each other by performing action X?" "Should the government force people to perform action X?" Many political debates can be properly fit into the framework of these two questions, but people often fail to separate ideas into these two questions and just operate as if they are one and the same, ie., "If it is right that people should perform action X, then the government should force people to perform action X." If people could properly understand how a free society should be governed, then they might realize that the answer to the first question can easily be a 'yes', in many cases, but (as long as, and especially if) the answer to the second question should almost ALWAYS be 'no'.

@Gruuvin1 6 лет назад

Bruce Pardy seemed to eventually divide the question into its two parts, at some point in the "debate", and so it seems he began to fully agree with JBP's stance, which is not at all concerned with the first question and 100% concerned with the second question, "Should government force..." I think Pardy should be praised for doing so--he was honest about it! I wish debate would happen like that more often!

@neilsthepoet 4 года назад

Gruuvin1 .....could you be more dry vague and genera

@colonialroofingofnorthcaro441 5 лет назад

For the other guy to make the case that any of these is in his word reasonable is a ridiculous statement. The fact that he thinks the law will stop when the state gets involved is naive. The fact that they are even talking about this shit is ridiculous without bounds to me. Omg with all that is happening in the world this is the shit they are finding to do and any person that plays in this game is immature, childish and I would say is scarred in there life somewhere that probably has nothing to do with the outlash that they are basing there hurt on. This is a sorrowful time in history that people are this messed up which goes to show how great life is in the West for people to have these ideas and identity problems. If life was a hundred years ago would be dealing with life to the point it wouldn't even matter about this foolishness

@TicklePickleLover Год назад

Why did you cut the video?

@jonnyy4088 5 лет назад

Thank you Professor Pardy.

@alvarovargasbang-wutang8461 6 лет назад

At 33 minutes and 58 seconds he says when you give to the part where there's 13 different pronouns then it doesn't work it's on workable. Are they up to 30 or 70 right now

@CDChester 3 года назад

76 LAST I CHECKED

@sleepykitty8918 3 года назад

@@CDChester 77. Florbo is now one of them. Thanks, Tim! >:(

@ironymatt 5 лет назад

Q&A begins 42:45

@li-jv9go 3 года назад

Thanks man

@joedirt2862 2 года назад

51:00 Anyone else interested in what she said . Why edit out a question?

@karatechris6610 6 лет назад

My father once met a lord, and the lord said to him "I am lord such and such ... you may call me ..." he responded "I am ..., you may call me Master ...". The point being that the lord thought he was more important than my father was and that arrogance and egotistical concept is contemptible. I have met the Queen of England twice before, and yes I did call her "Mam" that was out of my respect for her, however, if I had called her "Lizzy" I would not have been thrown in prison or had any repercussions over than not being invited to any other royal meeting. I have lots of friends who are 'ladyboys' and I have no problem with calling them a 'she'. If anyone insists on me calling them some gender neutral pronoun, that displays a high level on self-importance, and that they have a chip on their shoulder and have a serious SJW political stance and view point on life. I don't want to know anyone like that and would just ignore them. This is mass indoctrination that goes against the laws of logic and common sense. When he said "I am a lawyer", in this capacity, that tells me that he has sold his soul to the devil, i.e. he knows he can make money out of this b.s.

@RMStrasser 4 года назад

Wonderful first question.

@abelbabel8484 6 лет назад

Wait, that's the debate against a devil's advocate that JBP referenced somewhere else- and as I type this, it's strated in the video. Nice.

@lisamanchalevi15 6 лет назад

Useful to know Europe is not the only purveyor of arrogant pretexting teachers; and being licensed or not doesn't change a iota in the message's quality!

@marymolloy562 Год назад

I think “it” fits perfectly!

@RSCL_BEATZ 6 лет назад

Why don't they just change their name to more accurately reflect how they feel?

@flopimus 3 года назад

1:06:33 Mic drop.... 🎤

@fjkinnit 6 лет назад

So none of the "progressive" supporters of the laws would actually debate..typical.

@thomasmcann9474 3 года назад

Kind of the culmination of effect to the cause problem of people having nothing to do and wanting vehemently be a moderns urban hero..... 2B continued :@

@chuckturchick8342 Год назад

The resolution is worded incorrectly, besides the revisions Jordan Peterson suggested. The "pronouns by which...[people] will be addressed" refers to second-person pronouns, e.g., "you" in English. Instead, it should have been worded "pronouns by which...[people] will be referred to."

@dashjustice1148 Месяц назад

I have been saying this forever. You don't refer to the direct subject by a third person pronoun. I am speaking to "You". What this law actually is dictating is how I speak to others ABOUT you, which is arguably worse.

@Lawful_Rebel 6 лет назад

Well, if that fellow hadn't said he was just a lawyer, I'd have guessed..

@0987654ewsxcvbhjjhg 6 лет назад

1:01:20 GOD! this needed said so bad!

@rodneychristian9834 2 года назад

Edits? WTF? Why?

@ZoOnTheYT 2 года назад

I just listened to Pardy's argument, and commenting before Peterson's. I've listened to Jordan Peterson enough at this point that I have a good idea about what his argument, and points will be. I am sitting back, with drink and snack in hand waiting for the intellectual pummeling that will undoubtedly proceed.

@ZoOnTheYT 2 года назад

Oh, I see. Pardy was just playing devil's advocate. He seems to agree with Peterson in reality. Well, that side of the argument just isn't that good. That's why real proponents of that argument respond with juvenile responses like not allowing the other side to speak, or the proverbial "nuh-ah" .

@neihuslim 6 лет назад

English already has a well established gender neutral 3rd person singular pronoun. Works fine in nominative and objective cases. It is 'it'. Can we use that?

@sleepykitty8918 3 года назад

I don't trust that clown. He tells okay jokes, like the Prince Albert in a can one, but why the bloody hell would I want to go to the sewer for a circus? That's so unsanitary! The bacteria alone! That damn clown doesn't even clean his room. Terrible influence.

@frankhenry-reyes9624 7 лет назад

What happened at 51:05 ????

@christofg5722 7 лет назад

YEAH!?!

@Lionelhutz0718 7 лет назад

Camera cut out. Took a few minutes for us to catch it.

@christofg5722 7 лет назад

Any chance you can tell us what the lady's question was regarding "facts"?

@joebuslife9275 6 лет назад

@Dale C - Get a Panasonic Lumix camera they don't have 30 min record limits like the Canon or Nikon you guy's probably had.

@jaewok5G 6 лет назад

space-time anomaly

@alexashleigh8787 25 дней назад

Bruce has an incredible level of understanding to play devil’s advocate this well

@williammedford5891 6 лет назад

After Peterson demolished all arguments in his first speech, the other guy just fumbled around, casting about for something, anything, to say in response. He was embarrassing himself, and should have just admitted that he had NOTHING. I actually felt a little sorry for the guy.

@darylsmith5930 6 лет назад

The problem is that the courts and the Ontario human rights committee are not as intelligent as what Jordan is suggesting. They are functioning on old habitual thinking. Many have sat before the committee to profess their concerns about this issue but the bill was still passed. It was always going to be. The governments are largely run by antiquated and apathetic people that are only interested in lining their pockets. The notion that non binary gender pronouns are seeded into the linguistic territory of the professional workplace is the start of an insidious form of re-engineering.

@danielleech1988 5 лет назад

So, use, "it" or their name. I wonder why people aren't having this debate in third world countries? There's more important things to focus on.

@xinyujiao4464 4 года назад

In China, though we write the personal pronoun differently for the two genders, they are pronounced the same. That is perhaps one of the wisdoms of the those who revolutionized this language.

@mylittleelectron6606 2 года назад

So if you're walking up to a gloryhole and The Establishment owner explains to you that there are two men and one woman behind the wall who work in rotation, you couldn't say... If it's his turn, I'll wait till she is available. You would have to hope the odds were in your favor.

@DWHalse 6 лет назад

Would it be illegal to just change all directed speech by simply start, in any interaction..public or private..to just point and say YOU? Very impersonal but maybe keep one out of jail.

@willcifur 2 года назад

You can actually see where the first speaker negates his own point and understands he’s about to get devoured. He should have left the “your majesty” example alone. 😂

@hylkewesterhuis9667 6 лет назад

iNaZIO's having a heyday with discussions about&like this.

@hylkewesterhuis9667 6 лет назад

Voltaire/Strom: ''Wenn Du wissen&bloßstellen willst, wer dich beherrscht, musst Du nur herausfinden, wen Du nicht hinterfragen&kritisieren darfst.'' ''To determine&expose the true rulers of any society, all you must do is ask yourself this question: Who is it that I am not permitted to question&criticize?'' My Addendum: 'Wenn Du ihre ultimativen Absichten&Ziele & Anliegen&Queste wissen&bloßstellen willst, musst Du nur herausfinden, wie&was&wo&wann Du allenzuvorderst nicht hinterfragen&kritisieren darfst.' 'To determine&expose their ultimate goals&objectives & cause&quest, all you must do is ask yourself this question: How&What&Where&When is it 1&4mo-st that I am not permitted to question&criticize?' Analogous: ''To determine&expose those, who bear true cause&origin&manipulation&control of dystop&catastroph&cataclysm-ic demographic (r)evolutions ((geo)political, economical, environmental, climate, etc), all you must do is ask yourself this question: Who is it that benefits a/o shuns&repudiates any&all accounta&responsi-bility & guilt&blame & consequence&solution-(s)?'' And: 'To determine&expose those, who are the true driving force&power behind the global eradic&subjug-ation of free speech by&through&with hate speech legisl&criminaliz&penaliz-ation, all you must do is ask yourself this question: Who is it that has the most to gain in guarding&defending&obfuscating fundament&existenti-al relevant&pertinent secrets&lies&myths&taboos?'

@tiporari 3 года назад

The necessity of categorization is a function of language. Our language structure and customs demand the personalization of pronouns as an expediency for social contact and communication. The problem with being vague or indeterminate is that no one can guess what the hell you desire to be called. Even in cases where it seems obvious you can deeply offend someone who doesn't present in the way they identify. This is arduous and not possible to rationalize without rendering all personal pronouns obsolete and making everyone an IT. Otherwise there is no avoiding offense. A more rational solution is to be gracious and kindly inform folks if you prefer a different pronoun and be patient as they try to ignore thousands of years of beneficial conditioning to accomodate your desires. If you can't handle this... sorry, you must grow up. Never going to happen in the lifetime of anyone breathing presently.

@joshuaeverard8027 6 лет назад

I love Dr. Peterson, but his shirt collar on his right side (viewer's left) outside of his sport coat annoyed me the whole time. Someone should have told him

@jimgudeman4127 6 лет назад

These two end up as best buds

@manuelhernandez2430 3 года назад

Crazy no one would debate peterson the best was for someone to play devil's advocate

@shrodingerscat4191 3 года назад

Yes, quite telling isn't it

@danwkirk 6 лет назад

Can a Canadian change their pronoun they want on a daily or even hourly basis?

@user-mp9rd4hg8b 4 года назад

FYI...The carnage begins at 16:30

@bradcook8640 6 лет назад

The only pronoun used to ADDRESS a person is “you”, so gendered pronouns are moot. He, she, him, her, his, and hers are only used when talking ABOUT someone that you aren’t addressing...so why should a person be able to insist you use terminology when you aren’t even talking to said person?

@akaink1567 2 года назад

Brilliant!

@warlord8954 6 лет назад

Thank God I live in the United States of America where We the People have a Bill of Rights that specifically protects "Free Speech" from any government law.

@cobraaction1365 6 лет назад

Try new york were this is already in place

@qbobcode1823 2 года назад

This enormity of all this will only become apparent through the washroom conundrum and nothing more. In a classroom room of say 30 students, all of which demand, by law, to be identified by a certain pronoun. This is only directed at gender identity for this example btw. This isn’t a problem to any professor or teacher as they can address the individuals by their first names, whatever they want these to be. A persons gender identity isn’t something that has to come up at all, so you don’t have to play that particular game. Where you will start seeing issues are when an individual goes to the bathroom or washroom and doesn’t identify with the symbols that delineate between one gender and another. This won’t be as simple as slapping another sticker on the door either because then you are associating gender identities together and the law clearly states that you must respect each identity individually and if you don’t, the law machine, not unlike the dragon Smaug from The Hobbit, will open an eye, then the other and before you know it, reign fire down from above. Washrooms! You heard it here first.

@davidhawley1132 6 лет назад

The way to get around the proliferation of pronouns down to level of individual people is . . . use their names, ie ban pronouns.

@carl7221 3 года назад

All credit to Pardy for taking this on, but out of the gate he was on a hiding to nowhere. If anything he demonstrated how ridiculous it is to suggest that using a persons pronouns should be enforced by law. All you have to do is think about this for a short amount of time to realise that it isn't about pronouns, it's about power and control.

@Milo298 3 года назад

I don't understand why nobody mentions the elephant in the corner playing banjo. This is a legal precedence were the government id able to force the public to use specific words to address an specific group. With this precedence, what will stop the government to say, you have to call this other group this other way? It happened before, Nazis forced Germans to call Jews in a specific way, Stalin did the same with the bourgeois, what about calling first nation members on an specific way? blacks? whites? Latinos? Asians? etc? what if i want to be call My Lord and Master? or your Highness? Also, as a Lawyer, how can't you be concerned about the correct gender classification? If your defendant is a legal male transgender biological woman that's being sent to jail, would you let her go to a male prison? or the other around, transgender biological man, would you let him go to a female prison? What if they are traveling with a male sex passport being a biological women, would you like your defendant to go to a foreign third-world male prison ?

@kenh.5903 4 года назад

Yes, language is evolutionary, i.e., NOT CHANGED BY FORCE OF LAW

@thematrixcam 3 года назад

2:56

@dcbonner756 6 лет назад

If Pardy weren't a lawyer, he probably would be embarassed by the intellectual and experiential mismatch with Prof Peterson

@curtneilson5502 6 лет назад

now that is a gentle(person's?)man's discussion ;)

@CGKA2020 3 года назад

They are Canadian after all.

@curtneilson5502 3 года назад

@@CGKA2020 would you say that Canadian expats are atypical? i've met several in Asia and they didn't fit the gentleman/reserved demeanor that we usually associate with Canadians.

@CGKA2020 3 года назад

@@curtneilson5502 Lol, maybe. I'd say that my Canadian friends in Tokyo were quite unchanged (relatively laid back, polite, respectful, & perhaps a bit more reserved than the Americans & Aussies) but you get the odd person (of any nationality) that seems to think that bad behavior is ok if there's no one there to witness it.

@curtneilson5502 3 года назад

@@CGKA2020 thanks. i guess as an american male, maybe I'd prob get more flack in pubs in general and esp once once has downed a drink or two. then again, i can imagine non-american males flirting with american women in bars the same way (bush/trump blah blah...) as a way to tease and start a convo :P Cheers~

@atkgrl 6 лет назад

Excellent discussion gentleman. It’s sad that people cannot see the constant steps to the already known historical outcome. Perhaps we should have everyone come forward and claim their chosen pronoun and identity so when the other comes to power it will be easy to identify them for the gas chambers or mass graves first. Of course elected govt run to make society better.

@cmhardin37 6 лет назад

I don't want anyone thrown in jail for not calling me Doctor..... Is this guy crazy?

@1337Se7eN7 5 лет назад

My pronoun is the entire US Constitution, CamelCased so it's a single word. Failure to refer to me as such is hate speech, and I'll have you prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

@mytmouse57 4 года назад

Mine is “BAAAAALLLLLZZZZZ!” And it must be thusly screamed at the top of your voice.

@kasperhornstrup 3 года назад

@@mytmouse57 I like you!

@SalonNews Год назад

❤️Jordan!!! Cameraman, you’re fired!

@lahaza6515 3 года назад

Wonder the number of crushes on this guy over the years, between faculty & students.

@uiradaljovem2469 2 года назад

37:00 how would an PE teacher say: girls go play volleyball, boys football?

@donaldkeith139 3 года назад

28:00 Peterson is one of few who can point to an empty black board and people know what he's talking about..

@raulclark1521 Год назад

Easy, just call the students, student+lastName and the professor professor+lastName. But comparing trans issues, which in the west is a fight mostly between [people of the color which ought not to be named], with the race issues -caused not only by white men but the other groups that now want to claim oppression at the same level and even black people sometimes- is beyond my understanding... It is hypocritical beyond belief... But glad I found this as late as I did anyways...

@nateureo5428 2 года назад

JP pointing out predatory ideology, good man.

@joelmittelstaedt2657 2 года назад

13:30 lol

@jensoh 2 года назад

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@Teddy-Bear-Blue 2 года назад

Dr. Peterson for PM..👍

@DerekBolli 2 года назад

Love Prof. Bruce Pardy's surgically precise, logical approach. He reminds me of Hunter S. Thompson in a strange way. Prof. Jordan Peterson is passionate and pulls a few power moves given that he is not on his home turf. He modifies the debate proposition on the blackboard and then erases it. He then refers to it twice even though he has erased it which is slightly awkward but still effective. #12Rules #LobsterPower

@LinusE 4 года назад

English grammar allows for the pronouns to be: Him/her/they in sentence building and syntax. Why is this not just acceptable?

@falonsfox2585 3 года назад

Here's another thing about "hate speech", maybe the purveyors of that speech are actually NOT horrible people. Maybe they're hurting. For all the compassion these pc feminist types claim to have, they don't seem to have any understanding of the idea that people who disagree with them are people too. I had a friend whose father was murdered by two black junkies who simply wanted to take his car for a joy ride. He was twelve at the time and became a racist within a few years of that. If he were black and his father's murderers were white, people would be far more understanding, and maybe my friend wouldn't have taken that path if he felt like he could talk to people about the types of things he was thinking.

@cool77arrow 6 лет назад

lol hes proving jordans point halfway into the debate

@primarymeme9929 3 года назад

He’s playing devils advocate- he actually he similar views to peterson

@ctluba 6 лет назад

I thought this was supposed to be s debate? Pardy realized he was no match for Peterson and half way through it was agreeing w Peterson haha

@captainamerica8118 3 года назад

He's arguing position he doesn't believe in otherwise known as playing devil's advocate thought that seemed pretty clear lol

@johnmoonitz2968 4 года назад

Good lord! The camera operator SUCKS!!! Every time he moves the camera it sounds like they are rolling logs and boulders through the room!

@timpeterson3131 6 лет назад

you can call me "AL"

@vcalv9354 3 года назад

I hate the argument that gender is completely subjective. to argue it you have to play around with definitions of he, she, man, woman.

@DWHalse 4 года назад

Spent many years in the classroom and can’t remember a professor calling any one by him or her. I say many assholes but of course never called them that. Is asshole a pronoun?

@Wakefan2557 6 лет назад

Pardy talks and performs exactly like Barack Obama. Same speech pattern and everything Lmaoo

@corriemooney9812 2 года назад

"Gender is an inherently subjective thing", is a highly dubious comment.

@eschelar 6 лет назад

Astonished by the fake linguist at the end who appears to not be familiar with send person singular and plural linguistic history... Or the function of pronouns vs proper nouns. Embarrassing. Names give specificity. Pronouns remove specificity. Anyhow, there is one word in Tagalog that would be a lovely fit for English in the third person singular. Sya. He, she, sya. In Tagalog, this is something akin to the Chinese "ta", which has 6 written forms for different representations, but one vocalizations. Indeed, both Tagalog and Chinese native speakers often trip on gendered pronouns if not careful for much this reason. Sya is a gender neutral pronoun. It sounds fairly similar to existing pronouns while still remaining unique and it's short. The problem is that as Peterson says, the issue here is not about pronouns. They don't care about pronouns or language. They want to control speech or to signal themselves as something special. Narcissism is behind it, not altruistic desires for linguistic precision and elegance. Hence there is no drive to get a single word to do the job and it would never take hold.

@olorinmartinez 3 года назад

Peterson killed it

@ssssahek 6 лет назад

Anyone else find it interesting that the wording on the board uses a pronoun (they). So isn't that syntactically broken in the first place? Would have to be reworded to not use pronouns. "A person has the legal right to decide the pronouns by which that person will be addressed" And then it's not completely clear to which person "that" is referring to. The subject hasn't been clearly defined in that sentence. I think it's an important thing to not gloss over. How are you to address people in public speech by group (they/them) without knowing the individuals' preferred pronouns?

@davidarmor1554 3 года назад

False characterization of the law as requiring speech instead of prohibiting speech. The law does not require you to use pronouns. The law forbids you to use pronouns that someone doesn't accept. You do not HAVE to use third-person pronouns. IF you DECIDE to use third-person pronouns, THEN you are forbidden from using them to misgender people. But you can do perfectly well referring only to people in the third person explicitly, without the use of pronouns.

@s-traiss7313 3 года назад

13:28 that one immature kid in the audience

@rubbadubdub7857 7 лет назад

Audio volume is too low. This makes the video largely useless and unusable. Since I assume the purpose of those uploading this video is to disseminate the content of this debate so that useful benefit can be gained by those who watch it, I would urge that audio quality be paid more attention in any future videos uploaded to RU-vid. This video might have many more than the paltry 722 views it does as I write this if its audio quality were up to standard.

@mindyschaper 6 лет назад

I heard it fine with headphones and volume up high.

@caterpillajoe5225 6 лет назад

stfu

@todd6446 5 лет назад

Ha, you should do to get someone to pay attention and it makes the solution non-sexual. Some would say "Ha, you" would not polite. I should say, is calling a man a woman polite while no it is not!!! Wake the F up people.

@Panwere36 2 года назад

You have the right to expect the pronouns you want to be "respected", and it is the right of others not to do that.

@heater5979 Год назад

I have a doubt about that. If a man presents himself as a woman, or vice versa, that is deception. It's dishonest. Should we respect dishonesty?

@dcbonner756 6 лет назад

Pardy(?) is not even close to the debate topic. Wasting our time.

@omarojjeh5589 4 года назад

actually it wasn't a waste of time because you could tell Pardy shifted towards Dr. P's point of view from his body language to his statements midway

@robertstanley8590 3 года назад

Ok so they want this in law. How bout this if you do not disclose your a transgender to a potential mate then you are able to be punished as well. It's my right to know who my mate is and not telling me is false advertisment.