In this video we investigate why Rust failed to make it in the E- Sport spotlight, and who's ultimately responsible. Business Inquiries jack@shephardsvilla.com Discord discord.gg/shephardsvilla Patreon / jackshephardtv
Idk man it seems you looking for things in all the wrong places if you think that's what rust is There are pve servers if you feel like singing koombaja around a campfire
@@critamine agree 100%. me and my buddies only play once BP wipes happen and play for like 3 days. Towards the end we just waste c4 and rockets bc we all want to quit. very tiring and draining game lmao.
I love rust, i love the competative nature but i dont think rust is a esports game and i think it never will be without changing key aspects of the game. Great video though!
Yeah I had almost thrown in the argument if Facepuch wanted to make an esport they could take some of the aspects for Rust and throw it into a new game.
@@JackShephardTV Rust is not short enough to be an esport. Now if they created a gamemode that condenses the game mechanics to be able to play a full game from prim to advanced to be about 1-2 hours long then it could work. I would say that RUST goes beyond being an E-Sport right now simply because to be good at it you have to dedicated entire days toward playtime.
With the amount of secondary content in Rust steadily growing I can see it pick up if they'd solve the rampant connectivity and cheating issues but we're closer than ever before.
I hope so, I only just discovered it and I love it already. Was getting my bearings yesterday, and then BOOM 1 shot by a random tank that they didn't even realise was on their server.
@@BongSwansong yeah but you’ll be using the venue PC and you have real security to check you on your designated place which is better. I hear very less LAN comps to have cheaters. And cheaters is not only in FPS 😂
I think Twitch Rivals is really close to nailing what competitive Rust should look like. Multiple-Day events are a must, but changing the format daily isn't really a great way to do it. Raid day is the best content by far. They need to just have raid day rounds, and tally dogtags at the end of each day.
As someone with over 15k hours in Rust and as someone who has played it since 2014, I can assure you that absolutely no one in the Rust community has ever thought for even a second that it would become an eSport. This entire documentary is like... essentially what 3 or 4 people thought, for like a week, and then realized how dumb it was. Like I legit think whoever made this video put more effort into making the video than the entire Rust community, combined, has put in effort to make it an eSport. Even the events he showed that youtubers failed on were not competitive events. At all. They were literally just fun events for the Rust community. OTV and shit had no "winners", it wasn't a competition. So much on this documentary is just.. misleading and wrong.
Just stumbled upon your channel and watched this video,then proceeded to watch everyone of your videos, keep up the awesome work, you instantly become one of my favorites and can't wait till your next video...
Rust is a sandbox game and its progression was designed in a way that it takes days for you to have everything. If you try to speed things up like they do in these events, it just becomes a regular shooter with base building
The recoil update was to hide the cheaters rather than point them out like the old recoil system did. Before, you could tell right away when someone cheated, but now everyone is a beamer so its a lot harder to tell who is cheating and who is not.
@@grimmow187 your point makes no sense when every single game has a hard learning curve you can't get on rocket league for example and become ssl (the highest rank) in a short amount of time its just not possible
Original rust didn't have the preset spray pattern. I stopped playing when they implemented it around 2017. It was too easy to script which widely opened the door for cheaters. Removing it again was one of the best things they could have done.
That mp5 was only reskinned, not a new spawn and the event failed because of a few specific members of a team, with big numbers but small brain, some drama queens.
Appreciate the heads up if that's the case. I was going off what the accusations were from multiple news outlets, in what I had saw it seemed everyone had down played them spawning in something since the event had technically "ended".
"why wasn't rust an e-sport?" exactly like you said, the game wasnt built around being an e-sport, nor was it expected it to be one. it should've never even been considered an e-sport.
I used to be a social media manager and then a production manager for a esports focused company. As a big fan of rust I thought it was going to be something that would make the business money and would of been a great esports event. (I had Rust influencers lined up and were all ready spent months going back and forward with Rustopia admin) The CEO didnt like the idea as the game didnt have a "cult following" about a month later I was dragged into a meeting with the CEO getting shouted at because I didnt push the event more and because Twitch beat us to the punch. Its not always about the community its about the #1 thing. MONEY MONEY MONEY.
They could just do Rust hardcore mode and everyone starts at the same time spaced out across a smaller map. You could also add variants like starting with primitive tools and a 15 minute grace period. Then give away their locations when there's a certain amount of people left. Never mind this probably wouldn't work
Rust is already a good platform for a esport, you can easily mod things to work the way you want it to! You could easily add in Search and Destroy type modes with a 5v5 arena where players have more health but damage output is changed
The Twitch Rivals thing needed much more explanation. They spanish team got dumpstered, leaned heavily on the toxic traits from some of the US streamers to try and bait reactions. Then complained about it being unfair while trying to stay clear of controversy themselves.
The devs stopped caring about it's player base and the true essence of what rust was, surviving in a little shed. Now it's just "who can build a bigger tower near a tier 1 monument and sit on the roof all week"
Great content! Very well balanced and insightful. The documentary style is perfect for articulating the happenings of this game and I truly hope you continue down this path and document more of the stories going on in the community. Cheers!
I'll enter the rust history books as a Rust Roleplayer that plays solo and completely destroys the competition as means of them always messing up my disco parties... "Never mess with that guys disco party" - lone survivor
Pros of esport: I would have found out about it earlier. I don't play videogames much at all, and only just realised that it existed a week ago. Now I'm kind of obsessed. Cons of esport: mainstream success means that it gets sanitised and nobody can use gamer words any more or have a proper laugh without people writing articles about it. The old internet vibes and lack of politics are refreshing.
Nice video Jack, enjoying what you're doing, after all the drama with TCWars, Base Invaders etc with Aussie, myself, Navy and everyone I'm just glad to see that its were it is now with Trust in Rust raising so much money and becoming as big as it has.
Nice to see a familiar face man. Yeah I'm happy Base Invaders ended up doing well. I always give credit to charity stuff as it has the biggest impact and I think that was the best possible outcome with it, compared to the "esports" cliche. Hope you're well man.
as a rust player myself: you gotta be fucking dellusional to think, that rust has the potential of a esports. But that suits keemstar overall. The game is great and competitive but not in the way that its good for esports.
I agree, a lot of things changed for direction as well from the earlier days. It's not the directions the developers wanted to go and for most smaller studios it's not worth pursuing.
Cool history lesson for me! since i never got into that side of it (competitions) and tbh, i think i arrived afterwards most of those events anyway.... To me Rust is AMAZING, in that it's MANY THINGS in one!... It can be a building and crafting, innovating delight (ppl who like to craft amazing based, electronics and now industrial automation stuff), it can be an incredible PvP environment, there's plenty of PvE challenges, there is a *_constant_* treasure-hunting element that makes it super-compelling, not to mention 'raiding'.... I could go on forever - It's multi-dimensional and there must be at least 100 play-styles! My only gripe is that FP destroyed Tier 1 and Tier 2 PROGRESSION, to get to Tier 3, because nowadays, you can easily get to Tier 3 on day 1 of a wipe...
Yeah there's always been drama with OTV & regular Rusr creators. It makes sense to broaden the horizons but this usually leads to drama. Great insights
As someone who's been playing Rust since 2013, when I was in the 6th grade, I never considered Rust even adjacent to esports and never heard about this.
This is an interesting historical narrative, but overall this is a miniscule bump in the history of Rust, not really significant. It should have been framed more of a narrative of streaming culture rather than a Rust narrative. Rust was never an esport, always was a sandbox game and could never work as an esport.
Ark Survival had held a tournament before in their Survival Of The Fittest but the 1 match literally took 5 hours long and lots of things has been overhauled since
I went to the DMG Rust event with my cousin! i payed for vip and never got any of the perks. I was really excited to meet bchillz, and was let down. BUT, my awesome dad was upset i didnt get my money's worth, so he contacted Bchillz directly and told him what had happened. My dad offered to give them a ride to the airport and they accepted. So i thought we were just going home but we swung by a fancy hotel and my dad was like wait a second. a few mins later bchillz showed up with his brother skinnychillz and his wife. I got to ask him questions and talk to him for the 30 min ride to ATL airport. bchillz's wife bought us mcdonalds and we took pics and then they left. he added my steam but years after unadded sadly. Very cool people, and i liked the event even though i didnt get my vip perks. i even was able to enter into the tournament and i one a a round but didn't get farther than that. also got an extremely awkward photo me me and Keemstar lol. i looked so outa place being one of the only 13 year olds there
Hey Orion! If your reading this please let your Dad know, he is kickass! That is such a cool story, and I'm super happy he got to give you justice, and great job to Dave (Bchillz) for doing such a good job in making it a memorable experience. This was such a great story to read man, thanks for sharing.
Yeah of course I was super hyped to see a video over all the rust tournaments that had happened. I actually saw me and my cousin in a clip of it lol. But yeah Dave was super awesome and he answered all my questions and was super cool. Skinny and Dave’s wife were all really really nice people and it was all around one of my best childhood memories. Great video too this didn’t feel like content coming from a channel with almost 2k subs, shit is quality keep it up man
rust developers ruined the game by trying to focus on e-sports and making the game competitive instead of being what it was, a multiplayer survival game. now the only developers on rust don't even play the game they just make changes according to spreadsheets like EFT
Rust developers saw more opportunity in making money; not caring about the effect. They have done so by changing the recoil instead of maintaining a consistent slow rising player base. Facepunch is chasing the money, not our experience. Looks like we all got punched in the face by Facepunch. The developers are greedy and have failed us all. #bringbackrust
The idea that every multiplayer game needs to be a viable esport to succeed is an absolute cancer and I'm glad games like Rust serve as powerful counterexamples.
The spanish team was fine with the event when they were winning. But then wanted all this extra help and rule changes when they started losing. They cried the whole time. Honestly they were just shitty people about the event.
(having not yet seen the video to have an uninfluenced say) my own personal opinion into why rust failed as an ESport is that unlike other games, Rust breeds toxicity like nothing else can. Toxicity is rewarded when you create a good trap base, door camp an enemy or just not play nice with your neighbors. Kindness and Trust are almost always seen as a weakness to be exploited by others. even by giving someone a pistol, you've already informed them you're capable of making guns and have a decent amount of resources, which paints a target on your back.
Uve really found a niche market in this space one that needed to be filled because there's so many people who play rust or enjoy rust content but weren't around for alot of it like me I'm so curious about rusts past but no one seems to want to chronical it. I say keep doing what ur doing this shits gonna be big
Thanks man, If you thought this was a great video you'll be excited for the History of Rust clans coming out this summer. From 2015 - 2023. You're in for a real treat!
Love the video you made jack it’s very well made. I would of love to see the involvement you had also in making rust a esport as you hosted tournaments if ur own also and can be thank for some of the success that base invaders has today and trust in rust. Base invader would of never been a thing if it wasn’t for TC Wars and ur involvement in it
Hey Proxy! Appreciate the support. Good to see you man, yeah I considered on including it. It's funny cause I think a lot of people who've watched my videos think I might of just researched the videos, and didn't actually witness the events myself or was apart of them. I try to stay a lot more humble these days then you might of seen me previously back in the day, I think at some point in the future I'll likely discuss it if I do more content regarding my history for Rust. If you ever want to catch up, I'm a message away. Jack Shephard#0001.
people of Rust never asked for a tournament the closest "good tournament" came close was Trust in Rust and its a charity tournament and its the best one yet. also why use non rust streamers instead of actual players there`s a lot of good rust streamers the dumbest decision ever made
We mentioned CoconutB, hJune, scudpunk, etc. They're all well known Rust streamers / content creators. The reason I mentioned the OVH crew, even though the rust community doesn't like them was to show that Twitch Rivals was attempting to make Rust more broad which is a big factor to making a game an esport is to make it mainstream.
@@JackShephardTV I know who those guys are the TR I mentioned is the one with OTV and a bunch of people who can barely deal with death. I know they wanted to push the game to the frontpage but doing so with popular streamers with monkey with rocks attitude on playing rust would never get them anywhere it`ll only cause people to find the game seem way more toxic than it is. I know rust can be very toxic but we grow up and deal with it but if we keep having crybabies tryna appear tough and going full verbal ebola it`s not really helpful for the popularity of the game.
I love rust and would love to be as good at it as i am with other games but holy fuck is it one of the WORST games for combat. Animations don't line up with gameplay (the AK doesn't fill with bullet until half a second after you finishthe reload animation and pulling out guns takes an eternity before you can finally fire a shot), some sounds are way too similar to player movement, recoil from a standing and crouched position is stupidly different, delays between audio and projectiles, delays between projectile models and their actual hitbox, getting shot behind corners, you're body not lining up with what you see, weapon attachments that hurt your gun more than they help, AI, animal AI, projectile invalids, nighttime, spread on your first shot with most weapons. If it didn't feel like ass i would be inclined to put hundreds more hours into it to become good but why would i do that when it feels like shit now?
Making rust an e-sport is just big companies trying to monetize it like every other game. But news flash: you can’t make esports on survival pvp games . It just doesn’t work
Nice to see you again Sam, glad you remember. If you want to catch up man send me a message on discord at Jack Shephard#0001, will be building one this summer.
i don’t think rust was ever meant to be an esport. but weeklong tournament type things have been quite fun. the problem is the game is just not set up to be a type of show thing.
Rust is the best competitive game to date. It's not easy to just be good like call of duty etc. It takes a lot of time to get good which I like. Face punch constantly updates the game with new and interesting things. They keep it fresh and interesting.
Nope that title belongs to fortnite cause mechanic wise fortnite is just harder and actually has a comp scene I do agree rust takes alot of time to be good as well tho
@@slayerzz3725 eh i disagree fortnite being harder purely because in rust if you dont have the same team size the game becomes much harder fighting a 1v3 every time you get into a fight, depends on how you play it though
@littlecreeper85 nah fortnite takes the most mechanical skill plus game knowledge and aim and in a competitive setting endgames can have up to 80 people scrimming in a small circle u need to know when to take a fight, when to rotate, when to change layers, when to go for height, making sure you have enough mats or knowing when to risk it for a refresh and so much more fortnite is harder than any game alot of people don't like fortnite and thats cool but it 100% takes the most skill out of any game atm tbh that's why so many people quit when everyone started to get really good and in a casual setting its usually not that hard mostly because of skill based matchmaking in pubs but I'm speaking about comp I'm not saying 1v3s in rust are easy either just playing comp fortnite in 2023 is way harder
@@slayerzz3725 yea but to be fair, since all players are playing the same game every single game takes skill at the higher leagues, rust is one where it’s hard since it just wasn’t made to be an esports game so you constantly have good players vs bad players, I think most games would have the same skill problem if there were similar top players as all of what makes the game hard is how good your opponent is, if you both suck it doesent matter how hard or easy the game is, the fight would still be fair for you. Similarly if you have 2 incredibly good players it would have the same skill requirement even if the game is super easy to learn or super hard to learn, this works great with skill based match making but in a game like rust it can seem incredibly easy or incredibly hard since you can fight legit anyone of any skill level
The main issue with this is that alot of people would be exposed for closet cheating. The current “competetive” scene in rust is and has always been filled with cheaters, the reason groups are superior to others is because they have people esping and soft aiming for an advantage. RU-vidrs such as Tacularr, Fast etc. have been known for being in private cheater discords and if they were to be in an e-sports type league their performance would be significantly worse than in their content. This would be the case with several other players.
"been known for being in private cheaters discords" Stop the cap hahaha you dont know shit dude he has 15 - 20k hours and been grinding nonestop obviously hes gonna be better then 99.99% of the player base.
@@ss-wr9yg tacularr and taunted were both paying thousands a year when they played together for private cheats lol, you dont know shit about what goes on behind the scenes so keep your mouth shut mate
@@druskee2380 it was about a year ago or so but its still blatant in his videos that he is closet esping, i used to closet cheat for many big groups and some youtubers playstyles almost matches mine
Jack, love to see you pumping good docu style vids about rust, I could absolutely see your channel booming if you continue to ride this train. Thanks for the content ❤hopefully my views and sub mean something to the homie
Thank you Mark, your comment means a lot man. I've craved doing this for so long, so reading things like this means the world to me. Glad you guys enjoy it.
It’s not a failure it’s just that rust is so good that it doesn’t need to be an esport that’s why it’s so addicting leave the game how it is that’s why I keep coming back to the game
ay all I'm saying is that we should put the real Rust players in these events. Not people like XQC who can't handle someone killing him. When he gets killed he always comes back being toxic to everyone. We should get more people that actually play the game and have skill not these streamers who have less than 600 hours. Get rid of the players that are toxic and aren't skilled
Idk, can it be an E-Sport? They cant even do tournaments without an incredible amount of drama with rule break accusations, cheat accusations and BM. So good luck with that
Yeah, idk about Esports, but it's definitely fun watching POVs on Vital or Affinity. Literally just watched a video of a group on Vital EU getting merge raided by 7 clans. 133 vs 23. What a game lol
It’s surprising rust hasn’t dominated E sports considering how competitive the actual game is. There needs to be a couple changes from the actual vanilla game tho bc it can be difficult to watch if you don’t actually play .
Good video mate BTW - Rustoria Base Invaders is now monthly and though it has its fair share of issues it is ran by a highly dedicated team and makes for a good stream to watch, and a great event to play
Thanks for the support man, Yeah I think things have slowed down for how long the events been around. Saw your casting stuff though and it looks really good we defiantly need some more Rust Casters. I hope to see you cast Twitch Rivals some day my guy.
@@JackShephardTV Thanks dude! haha that would be amazing but they tend to hire successful streamers and content creators over experienced casters which is totally chill with me, they do a great job. I have an idea for a rust youtube channel though all i need is time and money
Personally, I think the whole push to make Rust an E-Sport is what killed the fun of the game overall. I sunk countless hours into Rust back when it was a goofy sandbox. It was my alltime favorite game. Fastforward to now, the handful of times I've tried to hop on I've just been chasing a dragon trying to have the fun I had 5 years ago getting in bow fights with naked people. To me, the game died the day Savas was removed. This whole tryhard clan direction Rust leaned into is corny and unfun imo. I just want to goof around, I'm too old to get sweaty in video games.
Yeah the game has turned too try hard for me. I just want to play after work for a short bit of time but it's pretty much impossible without getting raided by some sweatlord that plays 8 hours a day and had 10 people in his clan
I agree with you, I think the crappy events derailed a entirely different future for Rust. But for how competitive the game is I assume better events will arise.
They recently improved the tools for Rust Edit allowing people to make much better custom servers along with better free plugins. All the tools are there to create all sorts of game modes now
7:55 noone spawned loot for DisguisedToast. The admin simply changed the skin on his MP5. The tournament was over and DisguisedToast had another MP5 in his hands... Admin spawning loot for him was one of the dumbest lies Spanish players spread all over the internet.
I agree 100%, it's incredible I never had seen this clips of KEEMSTAR until researching this video, but have seen the "Alex" one, 10x over. Crazy to think these are never mentioned, they are by far the worst I've seen.
"rust has failed so many times" no, _Rust_ didn't fail at anything it set out to do. The 3rd party organizers failed over and over. If I fail to throw a party, the beer company didn't fail to throw a party, I did. Facepunch wasn't the one spawning in free loot for one team, or writing crappy plugins that didn't work while plenty of other modded servers work just fine. Facepunch knows their focus, their survival-pvp game. Anything esports related, and their inevitable failures, have nothing to do with Facepunch. Well edited video though. Very high quality for your sub size! Impressive
Hey Novous, Appreciate the constructive criticism. You're right, might of been too broad with that comment "rust has failed so many times" a better way of wording it would of been "organizers have failed so many times in trying to make Rust an esport" Which was the idea behind the video. I usually try to be very specific with my wording, some times I do slip up. Glad you enjoyed the content, I have many more ideas I'll be doing very soon for Rust.
@@JackShephardTV I have a bad way of wording things so please don't take it too hard. I'm against the specific argument, not you personally. Best wishes!
I haven't really caught any of these events live so maybe I'm missing something, but I think Rust *could* be used to create great eSport games. I get the simplicity of the dog tags, but it doesn't seem like a good way to determine a winner in a game that's about so much more than racking up kills. Also, it seems like they kept trying to go bigger either via more people or more popular streamers, which may have contributed to some of the issues.
I think the main reason why rust never became an esport is because the lack of support from Facepunch. Not only did they not support the organization of such events, the updates were also so random and had nothing to do with optimizing the game to become an esport.
The competitive aspect of rust is already dead. Cheating is rampant and widespread and nothing is being done about it. Every group in every server has at lesst 2 cheaters. In every official server whenever a group is raiding you can be sure they have at least 3 ppl ragehacking. The way to improve in rust is to add ppl to your group instead of improving as a player. The devs are busy adding pointless updates that cater to the same players who are killing the game. The game's dead.
