As a mentioned „sect member” I can assure you, no one is building a gallows for you 😂😂😂. Funniest thing which I read today. This is coming from hard to educate people which doesn’t understand much bar propaganda and fake influencers. This situation escalated to full time war already, but the primer was a hurt pride of one person who was refused to become an official Versa retailer. He said to the owner of Rutus after phone conversation "you realize that this will cause my acting appropriately?" This is not coming from nowhere, attack on Rutus from every possible way. IF machine will be that bad as some people are trying it to make (I’m not talking about you to be clear), no one will spend that much time and effort to show it as bad as possible. I seen you were replying on comments under my video but they disappeared somehow - my test was not focused on plain iron, just about specific behaviour of targets in iron proximity and ID changes. Setup was not important, but to perform 3d test I’d need any other machine to do a reference test to compare results - to show both sides unbiased. Have a good day!
Hey Rob, i rewatched and read your reply about one tone so then I understood your test. There are videos and comments everywhere now about the Versa and its tough to keep up 😆 i removed mine from the FB page as well but will reply to everyone here. 👍
@@IffySignals tried to reach you on messenger, but I think you missed my messages. You are right, there is too much happening everywhere and it is hard to not get lost
@RobertWestWykopki in your video you show 1 tone, Disc at -5 do you think Rutus will make an update so it can be used without having to go into the Neg Disc? That would be better than having to search and dig negative numbers. In the two demos i put up and in testing other machines they hit these targets all with positive ID including the Nokta Score (very basic multi machine) giving a 35 ID. The work around you did definitely works, no disputing that. But the trade offs of digging negative IDs and other bits that fall into that range show it needs improvement. i know there is allot of dispute videos and controversy but i still think it needs an update.
All feedbacks and outcome has been passed to Rutus and I have confirmation this will be improved in the next update. The advantage of Versa is the very stiff ID and in this particular example even negative ID can be easily determined as valuable target - however it brings mandatory level of knowledge. Score result didn’t bought me personally- as ID were too jumpy for me - I’d have to dig every positive chirp. But everyone has got their preffered way of working with machine and everyone can find something for them
@@RobertWestWykopki the 1 tone suggestion and negative disc that you showed did it. I explained the instructions you gave me and when Calabash got it back yesterday he put those settings in and it was allot better. It give’s negative numbers but at least it hits it. Seems like 1 tone and 2 tone are the same, but 1 tone hits it, both have a non ferrous and ferrous, is there any difference between them? Thx
Thanks Iffy for that very thorough test and assessment of the Rutus Versa. I'd say you and Calabash bent over backwards and turned that detector inside-out and upside down trying to get the results. Perhaps Rutus will update it in the future. I know the metal detecting community really appreciates your hard work and attention to detail 🙂
Ja wierzę w firmę rutus, to mala firma mierzącą się z Goliathem , trzeba czasu poprawią to jest pewne, rutus ma potencjał, to dopiero 1 poprawka softu😉
"Multi IQ Technology (SMF), will obsolete All Single Frequency metal detectors". Said the jokers to the sheep. Thank goodness you are a "shepherd" Mike. My old '05 UK Tejon "kills" these tests, even with the big 10"x12" DD and a 4" t'ick high- mineralised brick on top of each target: and no faffing with settings. On ancient habitation sites this Rutus would be "compromised" imo.🤫
If you're a relic hunter and you primarily hunt for iron relics, this looks to be a great machine. Its ability to discriminate non ferrous targets is amazing.
Hi Tim, some of my sites are pretty iron loaded. I like the machines that can find the non ferrous between the ferrous. They keep getting better and better 👍
Rutus have confirmed that unmasking tests were carried out on the Versa (though not on US coins) and results were not worse than other comparable detectors. BUT they will check the specific situation shown on the iffysignals/Calabash videos and the Versa will be updated if needed. Thanks all for your contributions and thorough testing
It's been 20 days since I purchased Versa, and I mainly use the multi-frequency at the beach. But there's a problem! Target depth not working properly? There is no mineral response signal through the headphones, but the current depth is quite short. I think there's also an issue with the sensor being too quiet when detecting the beach. It felt as if the noise had been forcibly blocked.
Hopefully some of the Versa users will chime in and help. Did you have a machine before the Versa that you can compare to? There is also a FB page for the Versa that could help get you some answers.
For the money they are asking it should match the performance of the Nokta Legend. As it is it cannot even match the turn-on and go Nokta Score! Instead of attacking testers Rutus should hold their hands up, admit it is not performing as well as they want and work on a firmware update that can at the very least match the Score.
@@flyrock2 multifrequency should be used on highly mineralized soils. If detector doesn't react to the soil and is stable on single frequency than you should use single frequency for much better range and detection. Multifrequency doesn't give better results in normal soils... So first of all you should educate yourself about difference between single and multifrequency and when to use them.
Sending a high frequency and a low frequency into the ground at the same time covers both your high conductors and low conductors. The only time i would run a single here (my soil is not very mineralized) is if the multi was unstable which is not often. Why would you want to run single anymore unless you are specifically looking for gold or a cache?
There's one machine that will ignore iron completely it's a Lazer scout with the black 7"coil but there are so many variables that testing in air is not a real test we don't detect in air we detect in soil.How often will you have these scenarios ??
Hmm i understand.. In the beginning i had problems with the Atrex Multi doing the same things but when soil was poluted with water/minerals the machine struggled on non mingled non ferro as well. I always had contact with Rutus by chat with Wiola or something (company owner) and they were always very helpful and open for discussions and stuff. Never had a bad argue with them, just send vids of it and they worked it out. I had high hopes when seeing the test run of Top digin on youtube.. EU ground and EU targets. It wasnt under performing a alot compared to D2 and Manticore.
@@IffySignals i cant remember but have you tried to adjust the sounds? On the atrex, If i remember correctly i had to adjust sound and tone breaks to make it perform.
@@TheInsox i didn’t try any tone adjustments. If you go to one tone and drop the tone break into the negative range (- 10) or a little less it helps unmask and non ferrous will come into that negative range and give negative IDs. I am not sure how this will handle out in the field but I have seen posts and videos showing this helps the Versa unmask. I have not tested it.
I loved my Rutus Alter 71, it would have passed all the tests, I am disappointed that a manufacturer rushed out a new detector that does not surpass the old model. Such a shame.
Are you in communication with anyone from Rutus? Is this version 2.44 ? I know tcDetects in the UK uses a Versa may be worth asking him his thoughts as well.
@@IffySignals If you have a few minutes to spare I would be curious to hear your thoughts on this short video. Is this what Rutus is implying needs to be done to the Versa in order to sucessfully find targets in Iron?ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-OgFffMmjXhM.htmlsi=eM62U_48b_WgseKE
Loren is spot on in this video. This can also be done on the Versa. When you lower the first non ferrous tone break into the set iron range you will then pull through the non ferrous. The negative impact to this is you will dig much more iron because you are making this adjustment on a single sample of iron. That is why manufacturers setup there own particular range of iron in this case -29 - 0.
@@IffySignals In this video I can't understand but it appears to be having the same issue but at the 4min mark he makes some adjustments on screen that help. Now I can't tell if his iron is on the same plane because it is buried but the machine does respond better. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-HJOXuekvJmc.htmlsi=saTWqb9l9TMwzzPM
I m a owner of a Rutus Versa since a few weeks. I'm very disappointed with what I'm seeing. I also tried to do the test and the results are the same, it doesn't matter if in the woods on a concrete slab or elsewhere, there are coins here and the metal doesn't detect them, that's it. Furthermore, I think that a manufacturer should take advantage of all the advice and tests carried out by users and not come into conflict with them as happened to Calabash. I sincerely hope that the Rutus engineers will make an improvement to their product as soon as possible, otherwise, as far as I'm concerned, I will return the unit and buy a less expensive one, but one that detects metals as a metal that costs that price should.
@@omnitron i saw the comments on your youtube channel from Rutus. Just out of their arrogance I would return the metal detector even if it were the best in the world. It's a shame I only read them now… already bought.
How does it perform in single freq. with the tests? I'm starting to think they have a multi-freq issue that needs dialed in. Similar to what we saw with the Legend when it was first released.
While I don't think these nail tests capture every aspect of a detector's performance in iron, it certainly does capture some portion of the machine's performance and this does not look good for the Rutus Versa. I do fear this trend where this particular style of nail test becomes the sole criteria used to judge a detector before it is thrown in the trash. For example, if your detector's performance is solely judged by this particular style of nail test, then detector companies are highly incentivized to design a detector that does exceptionally well at this style of nail test possibly at the cost to real world performance. This problem is observed in many industries, (without dipping too far into politics, the US education system is an example where teaching real education has become secondary to teaching students to pass standardized tests, which comes with some unintended negatives). I do agree with the idea that tests can be predictive of real world performance, but I think an approach where a machine has a final judgement applied to it from one test is problematic. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't bet money on the Rutus Versa doing well in real world heavy iron given the testing, but I would only regard testing as a starting point in evaluating a detector, and not the only and final step. It's important that we verify our lab results with real world results, even if we are confident we know what the outcome will be verifying the validity of the test itself has value. If the test accurately predicts real world results, it ought to be fairly easy to find some targets that the Deus 2 will hit that the Rutus Versa does not given the results of said test. I would regard that as the final nail in the coffin (no pun intended). Nice video though and thanks for sharing your results.
Thanks Loren, great feedback and I agree, this is just a simple standard baseline test i like to run machines through. This is one that is not subjective to soil conditions like depth tests. In iron separation tests above ground (no matter how they are setup as long as consistent) will be best case.
in Poland, they laugh at the owners of Rutus, saying they are a sect, they won't say a bad word to bring down the company, but I laugh because it's a detector released by force, ahead of time, without any refinement. A certain RU-vidr once said a bad word about Versa in his video and cooperation with him was terminated on every front, your tests only show that it is true. Remember Iffy, the Rutus sect is already building gallows for you 😉. Great material, greetings from the country of Rutus
