Whitley suffered as much as Weiss and Winter, but gets none of the sympathy his siblings get, both in and out of the story. Winter and Weiss both left their home as soon as they could, something Whitley's still too young to do. And even then, Weiss very clearly looks up to Winter, who in turn took the time to support her little sister and show she cares. Imagine how we would have reacted to Winter if she acted cold towards and dismissive to Weiss, especially in V3 when she was still young and desperately sought her approval; that's exactly what Weiss is doing to Whitley, besides *actively threatening him*.
@@scottgrey3337 That really pissed me off since 1: he didn’t even try to stop them from entering and 2: they are huntsmen and he is a normal guy, he isn’t a threat and threatening him just makes him seem considerate since he didn’t immediately call Ironwood the moment he was left alone.
@@aleph7056 Fuck, you have a good point The adults are (portrayed as) useless while the kids are portrayed as heroes with little personality passed that
They treat him like that because he is deceitful and sneaky. Maybe if he wasnt, his own sisters would like him more. You dont have to have magical powers to not be a dickhead and to make yourself useful to society.
@@ahappilydrunkpuppy8961 Weiss was literally a stereotypical racist rich girl at 17 and is one of the most beloved characters, Whitley is literally like Oscar's age and is hated for no reason
@@lesnarahamilton5674 idk id say it's a lot more than just angry siblings seeing as she essentially deserted him and left him to face what she ran from alone
@@tylangs7610 again it's not like she had a choice what was she going to do to take him?? become a 16-year-old parent?? everyone acts like everything a child does in 100% logical her life was shit so she ran away not a hard concept there was no way he would of let her take him I'm angrier at the drunk blaming Weiss for his damage EVEN THO SHE WAS ALWAYS THERE.
"I used to think that the worst thing in life was to end up alone. It's not. The worst thing in life is to end up with people who make you feel alone." - Robin Williams
@@aleph7056 not really an assumption just wouldn’t be surprised bro has no guidance all alone feeling like no one actually cares about him, Government has turned his back on him and the people, father is in jail, mothers an alcoholic (who both hate each other) sisters left him and rarely visit, and his city is being attacked by anti christ on a whale. His life is shit and looking in just saying I wouldn’t be surprised
@@AppahTheChin The problem with Pyrrha I found was her character was basically miss perfect archetype who wanted to be treated like a normal girl. With Roman even though he wasn't the main threat we liked him because of his personality. It contrasted with everyone: brooding villains' he makes fun of them for their inactivity while he does all the work. Overly optimistic protagonist he beats how you have to survive real world by doing everything you can. I wish we saw more people like him in the show. Everyone else has ever become so tropy it's comically or so bland that you could replace them with the shadow characters from season 1 and 2.
You know we're not supposed to hate the characters right? For example I want to like Cinder but she's too incompetent and I'm kind of tired of her. Bad writers are the ones that makes you hate a character
You know whats worse? He actually asked what they wanted him to do. He wanted to help in someway and Weiss just sends him to his room? How old are they trying to make him out to be. At most he looks 16-17, stop treating him like he's five.
This boy hasn't know a second of love his entire life. His father is a ruthless businessman, his mother is a drunk and his sisters ran off to play pretend. And despite ALL of that. Despite not having any reason to be a decent person, he still wanted to help. Whitley deserves so much better.
@@randomcenturion7264 He is a young innocent who tried to offered help to his older sister who is a dangerous super only to be attacked by her and her crew of criminal supers he needs to somehow get help from outside of his house because he is in a very dangerous hostage situation.
Uh oh! Did someone forget that Whitley is a victim of an abusive father and alcoholic mother as well? And that while Winter could go to Big Daddy Ironwood, and Weiss could go to Beacon, he couldn't? Whoopsies!
@@lesnarahamilton5674 She could have stayed. She could have tried to learn next to her brother, to let their bond grow through the adversity and bring some semblance of pride to the family name that way, but she left. The fact that Weiss dealt with pain doesn’t invalidate Whitley’s, and it certainly doesn’t justify how she treats him.
@@alexanderblack5274 She never said anything about him being old. She told him he seemed 'different' Not trying to start anything. Just wanted to clear that up
@@TheLittleSpoonz that's the point, she has been away so long that she can't say something at least cordial to him when she sees him. "You look different" it's not a way you greet someone even if they're not your family. She barely knows him by this point.
The fact the the first though in Weiss's head is to point a sword to her defenseless little brother really makes you realize that this family is way beyond broken
Yup this is honestly the nail in the coffin for me liking her. I find it sad how whitley and ironwood are interesting characters that people end up relating to or liking and rooster teeth is just like wait nooo thats not supposed to happen so they ruin them like they are trying to do with Ironwood. The main characters in this show are horrible people.
@@snackeater4990 agreed. Its why im so glad that Roman and Pyrrha are dead. They died before they could get butchered. And believe me I wanted nothing more than for this show to be good, its why I still check in every once in a while.
Thats what i guessing going to happen. Thats how selfish, self centered villains are born. Who are they going to love and protect? Family? Yeah no, Friends? I doubt he has any, for the world? The world thats not good to him? Its going to ME and my own happiness if he doesnt't get a red flag of doom first.
OH wow, a very young boy who obviously dislikes one of the main characters, who happens to be his sister, for leaving him alone and having to deal with their shitty parents every day for months and not even messaging him asking if he's alright and if he needs anything, is the bad guy!
@@HoV326 ah yeah, I remember that. Sorry for bragging but I relate to Whitley a lot. Even though I was surrounded by my siblings, I knew I had to deal with every shit by myself and the only person who can help and support me is myself. But one big difference - I'm not from an abusive alcoholic household where the older siblings ran as soon as they had a chance, leaving their younger brother to deal with their parents all by himself People think that he's just a shitty brat but they should Ask themselves "WHY is he exactly a shitty brat?". The answer - he's not shitty, he just doesn't trust anyone and he holds a strong grudge for everyone around him I know that it won't happen because the writers suck, but I would love to see Weiss telling Whitley "Hey, we went through the same shit and I'm sorry for leaving you alone and having to deal with it. Now that I'm here, as your big sister, I promise I'll always help you when you need me. You can count on me"
He’s a bad guy because he is sneaky and deceitful and finds it funny to screw people sideways, just like his daddy. Will you 14 year olds stop trying to make everyone some kind of victim? Especially when they arent?
@@ahappilydrunkpuppy8961 He is a victim though. He isnt an adult. He's a kid still. He is redeemable. The mum knows it. The mum ASKED wiess not to forget about him, is it whitley fault he become that way? Drunk mum, ass hole father, famous military sister and wiess left to be in a whole other country. No one gave whitley a chance. and fun fact, he a kid still. He' is redeemable. and hopefully they do something with it.
Given that huntsmen are also supposed to be a form of law enforcement/police force it adds another layer of just rotten to the characters and their actions. Weiss has physically assaulted three innocent people so far with her weapons, all of them people of her nation and only one time while officially licensed. Despite all her supposed etiquette she's more a thug than Yang ever has been.
yea team rwby is a bunch of crooks lol, even withholding crucial info to military and on top of telling classified info ironwood's plans. writer's are terrible at what they do.
@@marichatismynameandladynoi1990 And she decides to go in with a gun pointed at her little brother, I don't know, I don't enter my house with a Glock pointed at my relative's head
@@marichatismynameandladynoi1990 Yeah but that makes it worse. There was no reason for her to threaten Whitley at all. She should have just entered once he opened the door since he didn’t at all try to stop her + she’s a huntsman and he’s a normal guy so he couldn’t stop her even if he wanted too.
It's the mystique of the character. Like how Neo seemed cool at first but then they gave her more screen time leading to dumb moments making the character fall flat. Since Whitley has many possible roads he can go down it shows the character has a chance to be really interesting down the line and become more than a 1 dimensional character. Of course if he gets to go down any road it'll be one that makes him uninteresting like what they did to Ironwood who was amazing last volume and is a joke this one
Wow, the writers wrote a tragic character and yet they still want people to laugh when they have the hero’s shit on him. That’s right Wiess, you put your lonely and isolated brother in place, he doesn’t deserve any love.
Considering apparently making Ironwood sympathetic was entirely by accident, I wouldn’t be surprised if the intention with Whitley from the beginning was just the scheming evil younger brother and him being a tragic character was an accident too.
Weiss just pissed away any sympathy for her "Tragic" past with the way she treated her scared, defenseless little brother. She's just as much a monster as her father, if not worse because she's so self-righteous.
@@gokbay3057 a promise of a violence definitely fucks you up just like violence itself. In fact i think in this instance its WORSE. Jaques slaps you and its gone and over with, but Weiss points a weapon at your face and youre just left with fear and resentment of what she COULD do and youre just not sure.
@@KOTEBANAROT right?!?! Someone pointing a gun at you and could pull the trigger! At this point Cardin and his team is forgiven in my book team rwby especially weiss can go to hell
It disgusts me that she treats him that way. She left him with an emotionally abusive father and an alcoholic mother who he barely sees, the only people he must've had somewhat of a connection with are the manor staff but now that they're gone he's all alone. He has no one to care for him and he has no one to lean on. He's got no one to support him mentally and when, what he thinks will be his saving grace (Weiss) turns up he's probably really happy but she just shuts him down
I don't see why she doesn't understand that he was also in a bad house hold like she was like for me I'm a younger sibling and I look up to my big sister why can't weiss be a figure for him like winter was for her.
By Weiss telling Whitely to "Go to his room" she inadvertently just became as neglectful and uncaring as her parents have been towards him. Weiss became the people she hated the most. "Oh but whitely is mean, so it's okay to treat him horribly"
He’s mean BECAUSE he’s treated horribly! You can’t disregard someone’s emotional needs all their life and expect them to be a kind and caring person. Obviously they’re going to become closed-off, snarky and cold - it’s the only thing helping them survive. Whitley was left with a broken family.
How can Weiss even think about saving the world and Atlas when she can't even be bothered to try and save the one person who needed her the most, her brother Whitley?
@@randomcenturion7264 When did Weiss even hint at caring for Whitley at any point in the series? As far as i could tell the only one Weiss had any respect for was her sister Winter until Ironwood went mad. Weiss and Whitley have been at odds from the word go.
@@Zoten001 This would be a basic move, but a move nonetheless. Kill them. Kill Winter and Whitley. Kill Willow and Jacques. Kill her entire family. She would be racked with guilt for not taking the time to even *consider* mending the mess of relationships she had with even a few of her family members. This guilt and shame would then track over to Ruby and Yang, specifically Yang, who's been more interested in Blake than her own sister, while also serving as a way to reunite them in the final battle, Yang believing in Ruby again and Ruby believing her big sis again. Death. It's simple, and it's sad, but it yields results.
Weiss: "Whitley wants nothing to do with me" Whitley constantly talks to her, asks her what he should do to help since Nora is injured and they are hiding from ironwood, is concerned about their mother, is treated as an errand boy by his father, sarcastically says how she's more inclined to ask what happened to a servant than her own family(yes I know the last time she saw Klein he was helping her escape so she would be worried about his safety) Also Weiss: points a rapier at her brother who is known not to be a fighter, this is not normal for her as the last time she saw him she was unarmed so they are not rowdy with one another RT needs to stop making people they want the audience to hate be better than the hero's, they did an ok job making Whitley look like a little shit back in vol 4 but now he just looks like kid with no freedom and a family that never wanted him
I think its wrong how they are making Weiss treat him. Weiss should understand how here brother is feeling because she acted the same way. She should be helping him and speaking to him about how to grow as a person and start making your own decisions.
@@extraordinaryty9578 True but you also got to remember the timeframe of their relationship. To us, its been years since Vol 4 happened, but to them, it couldnt have been more then a few months. The admittance that Whitley purposely manipulated his family to put himself upfront as the heir to the Schnee business has probably left a permanent sour mood on his relationship with Weiss. Now, should Weiss be the bigger person? Definitely, but I will admit, something like that would make it hard for her to be the better person.
@@g2akashi I'm sorry but how did he manipulate anything, if anything happened Weiss got fed up(rightfully so) that people in Atlas could give a shit about what happened to the people at the Vital Festival, and Jacque(the actual problem for the whole family) took Weiss' rights away to the family name and may Whitley sole heir, Kid didn't do anything except listen when he was told to do something, was he smug about it after, yeah of course, it's the one thing he has over his over achieving sisters who are huntsman, part of the military and one television shown to be helping out a neighbouring country in it's hour of need I can look at this from all angles and every angles shows Weiss is in the wrong in this very moment because nothing either character has done makes this scene acceptable, maybe if this was vol 1 weiss I could see her give two shits about Whitley from her own memories of the kid, but she's been through character development, she knows what it's like to feel alone and ontop of that has been told by the only two people she respects in the family, hey Whitley's not a bad kid, so no in this moment she is being a bitch and not understandable
Having come from a family were both parents were extremely toxic for one another, being the youngest sibling, this hurts. Getting pushed to the side because your older sibling doesn't want to deal with you. Being ignored, forgotten, and left to deal with the aftermath of my older siblings hurtful actions. The dismissal turning into resentment after being recognized after so long, it's bitter.
Relatable. My sisters are the main reasons why I was afraid of the dark and had claustrophobia for 11 years. My dad, a man who I looked up to turns out to be the very thing I hate for a man. And my mom is well, broken and alone. All she has is me by her side, taking all the blame and hate for our family’s own mistakes and stupidity.
@@animefan2454 Yeah, can’t blame him cause I do come off as really cold and serious every time I talk to my sisters. The only time I express emotion is when my sister’s daughter is there or when my mom is with me. But I show fake emotions, sorry not sorry, but they don’t deserve my kindness.
I relate as an older sister from an abusive household I try not to be as bad as Weiss and I’m luck enough that my Mum is strong but sometimes it feels like this is how my life has been for years and it doesn’t change so I want you to just accept it already and move on I get it’s the wrong mentality to have and I try to be more open but the pain makes you want to push away sometimes like your younger sibling remind you of yourself when you were more naive and afraid not just numb
Why are you blaming your siblings? This is why things will never get better for you in life. You sit around doing nothing but looking for people to blame and people to be mad at because it’s easier than having to get up and try. No one is intentionally putting you to the side. Your siblings decide to do the sensible thing, the same thing YOU should be trying to do, which is to get out and make your life better. Even if it means having to move out and working some crappy job for 30-40 hours a week and/or living in some dingy apartment. And think about it, how is your older sibling suppose to take care of you? Even if they could adopt and take legal ownership of you, you realize it costs money they dont have or cant afford to take care of you right? Feed you, bathe you, have materials for school, along with having to do the same for himself. Be realistic and get mature.
"Go to your room." Not fortify the house, console a wounded mother, make use of their families contacts or resources for protection from the grimm or the odd whitefang sympathizer with a grudge. Just sit there and wait while grimm presence increases.. Congrats RT, you've finally, definitively ruined Weiss just like the rest of your main cast. You've turned her into her father instead of the red herring that we thought was Whitley. Great job.
@@wholesome_masochist4113 more like because they got bought out, here's to hoping hbo just sort of drops rt and leaves them to rot either that or dissolves it completely and hands over the ip's to people competent and not learning on the job.
I mean, Yang has abandonment issues too. Her mother left, then her step mother left, neither of them returning, and her dad was so miserable that she had to grow up very quickly to be there for Ruby But Whitley has it so much worse. His mother locked herself away, his sisters left him and his father hates him despite him being his little puppet
@@jayreid2513 Not really shes written how people who know nothing about how people abandonment issues THINK people with abandonment issues would act... They accidently written Whitley in a more accurate manner... Honestly a more realistic approach for Yang would for her not to care about her biological mom at all and never go searching for her since she was to young to remember her when she left and had a better substitute mom in Summer anyways... Take this from someone who was friends with several foster kids most of them couldn't give 2 shits about who their biological parents were or where they might be as they had bigger things to worry about...
I love how Weiss just points her weapon at her young brother and talking him down when it's so obvious this kid is just tired and done with his sister because she caused way more trouble than good, but hey it's all fine and dandy cause none of these girls can be wrong!
I'm halfway certain the girls are being setup to fail, and that all of their mistakes will lead to tragedy... Then I remember what kind of people are writing this story.
I see a vulnerable boy acting tough because everyone in his life seems to treat him like crap or abandons him... the fact that he claimed to still respect Winter, shows me more that he disliked her leaving the most and he resents her for doing that...
the fact that he respects Winter tells me he sees Winter Leaving as living her life while Weiss was running away, Winter clearly doesn't hate the family the way Weiss does as seen by her back in vol 3 telling Weiss she should still try and talk to father, she knows what Jacque is like but still thinks her family shouldn't hate one another, I think Winter was keeping in touch with Whitley without letting Jacque know to make sure her little brother was alright, after all the mother keeps to herself but even she tells Weiss that Whitley isn't a bad kid and should look out for him
@@mariapaulaperez6544 Cinder is one of the main bad guys so that's why she has been screwed by the writers. The writers have a knack for unintentionally setting up interesting characters in the background but as soon as they are brought to the foreground they become screwed by the writing.
Aside from RvB the villains in that include A psycho mercenary, a evil Ai, evil clone and last but not least a 8ft tall mute psychopath driven insane by evil Ai take a guess which one is actually interesting though
*Whitley calls Ironwood and tells him all about their plan, and where they’re hiding, informs him that his sister held him at sword point and threatened him, moments after breaking into his house* The Broke Fandom: Wow, what a little bitch, how dare he go after our perfect little group of shippies! Typical cis male behavior! The Woke Average Viewer: Wow, the team has been very abusive and rude to people in need and also authority lately, and have singlehandedly been the larger cause in a civil war in atlas, as well as brought the enemy knowingly onto their doorstep. That would make them terrorists and idiots. I hope they come to their sense soon. *Next Episode:* “THE GANG DESTROYS ATLAS” *Curb your enthusiasm theme plays*
@@nahboi483 Me: *Slaps head* hunters and huntresses like little children playing with toys. Making a mess out of remnant. And it's my job to clean it up.
The thing that really gets me is that after Weiss tells him to go to his room, *he does it* He does it without arguing, or making a snide comment, or any resistance at all, like we've seen before. It's like he's resigned himself to solitude, with a defeated expression. He just seems... tired. Who's the loneliest of all now?
@@waterpillar1977 They just hate Raven for too much I mean yeah she left Yang that’s not good but she didn’t hate her if she did hate her She wouldn’t of called Yang her daughter Salem is her Greatest fear imagine if Raven never left Salem has her chance to break Raven and kill Yang she wouldn’t care Raven pretending not to care practically saved her
Because they made the main characters tropey and bland. While the side characters we know little about so it allows fans to make up their own ideas and connect with the characters through small details. Instead of whatever bland or terrible RT decided to do with them.
*Team JNR gets some backstory* Regular viewers: Hey, that wasn’t too bad, we want more, but that was nice. I’m more connected to their team now. *Team RWBY starts acting like pieces of shit* Viewers: That isn’t what we wanted at all. RT: Too fuckin bad. *More stuff about side characters* Viewers: Wow content about the side characters is awesome, they’re all very cool and fleshed out. RT: We’re gunna write out over half of them and shove team RWBY down everyone’s throats while also making them even more unbearable. Viewers: You’re doing this to fuck with us, we can tell.
Oh no, people sympathies with Adam (turned into clingy exboyfriend stalker). Oh no, people sympathies with Ironwood (turned into a crazy paranoid dictator). Oh no, people like Weiss gotta fix that.
@@scottrauch1261 I'm 100% convinced they have discussions like this too. Fuck CRWBY for ruining potentially good characters, my favorite Ice Queen included.
Apparently it's very easy to forget Whitley is just a kid. A snot-nosed brat of a kid, but honestly, in comparison to the constantly humbled farm boy Oscar and the child soldier Ruby, that's kinda what what makes him the closest to acting his age
@@EngineScypex Even if I were to agree with you on his age, which I don't, that would put him at 16-17. Remember, our cast is completely comprised of teens, closer to kids than adults proper
@@EngineScypex I'm basing that estimate on what you said, it'd be improbable for him to be the same age Weiss, who is 18. I would wager he's 14-15, about Oscar's age
Idk why but the Sword Point scene pissed me off beyond belief. It feels like all of Team RWBY is just shells of what they once were. Weiss is honestly the best of the lot and that’s why I disliked that they made her do something like pointing her weapon at her little brother. Ruby’s personality is being annoyingly optimistic, and she hasn’t done much the entire Atlas arc. Blake is completely pointless and every piece of Dialogue she has is meaningless filler. Yang has become this insufferable immature teenager who can’t see past herself and Blake who she seems to care about more than her own SISTER.
@@KLMO123 With respect to Monty, I dunno how that contributed to the show "going downhill". These problems have been there from the beginning honestly. In fact, it was Volumes 4 to 6 where Team RWBY developped more as characters. The problem is that in this Volume that isn't really showing until now. It's like they're going back to where they were at the beginning, they need to start acting more mature.
@@KLMO123 Yes. The show has gone downhill. But for fuck sakes. Do not say it is because Monty Died. Monty Oum died early on in the volume and so a lot of the writting got passes. Rooster Teeth is actually trying and explore serious topics while making the show enjoyable. They are trying the very best as they can. Too Keep their good friend Monty's Oums dream alive. Give them Credit where it is due.
@@PokemonaMoni To be fair the action massively dropped in quality once he died and that Shane guy left. You are completely correct about the writing issues of course but now the fight scenes aren't even really that impressive to make up for it.
@@ashikjaman1940 Yes but I'm especifically talking about the writing aspect of the show, that's why I'm saying that Monty doesn't have anything to do there.
the kid is a grew up in a emotionally and maybe physically abusive household, both his older sister got out of there as soon as they could Weiss went to another continent to get away from it but he was stuck, trapped and alone. he does not deserve the hate he gets or to be called things like shitley and when i saw Weiss point her sword at him that is the most i have ever been disappointed in her character
yeah when i heard "shitley" being thrown around by the fandom i was like.. he's just existing there. meanwhile weiss has gotten rid of klein, ruined the sdc reputation- their main source of income and power, and keeps barging into his life without acknowledging him. i will say, if the writers are doing it to create another development for weiss, it would be damn satisfying to see her finally look at her brother, see how she's affected his life, and realize how awful she's been as his big sister. i don't have much faith in that route since the characters don't develop anymore, but i am dying for a killua/alluka moment between these two abused siblings.
@@creepy.bstanbtsbtw but because she can't talk we have no idea of why she's there, helping Cinder and Salem. And she's not even a intimidating villain anymore
Damn no wonder he's the way he is. While Weiss and Winter were off being huntresses Whitley was stuck at home with his dysfunctional parents and neither of his sisters bother to check in on him.
@@JDB100 I hope not, speeches shouldn't be enough to change a person, especially one as shallow as the one Ruby (a stranger he doesn't know at all) gave
I wouldn’t blame Whitley in the slightest if he sold them out. His sister and company literally destroyed their family & pretty much doomed Atlas and Mantle
Imagine if big-sis Winter acted cold, aloof, and dismissive of Weiss in V3? If she talked down to her little sister and belittled her for her flaws and failings? The fandom would have demonised Winter for being a horrible and abusive sibling. Weiss is Whitley's Winter, and she should understand more than anyone else why that matters. Even after Winter left to join the military, Weiss seemed dependent on her as a source of positive interaction and support. Whitley watches both of his siblings leave him alone with abusive parents and the show does nothing to show that they ever checked up on him. At best Weiss just kind of ignores him, and at worst talks down to him, making his sarcastic "did you miss me?" routine feel rather justified, cause she never acts like it. Weiss, after having friends and teachers to help her recognize her mistakes and grow in a positive way, had the chance to be the mentor to someone else and *actively* refused to. Not going to lie, this destroyed her character arc. Any positive changes just come across as spiteful actions to annoy her father since she can't give a brother the support she needed from Winter. All I can say is: good thing people didn't treat V1 Weiss the way she treats Whitley.
Back then so many fans thought Weiss in V1 was too bitchy and mean, only to warm up and like her as time went on. Funny to see it happen to Whitley now, only for Weiss to turn a 180 back again, only it's worse because she' supposed to be older and wiser.
Well damn. I always thought of him as a nothing character. I know her "standing up" to her little brother is supposed to be a "You Tell Him" moment. But think about it. This kid. Has been left with his alcoholic mother and money grubbing father where he is nothing to this family. His two sisters, the ones he may have admired, Both rebelled and left (one for the military and one as a huntress), leaving him alone. Sure he may live a pampered life but having no influence, no bloodline semblance, and no option. He has to endure what has been dealt to him. And Weiss just never thought about it, never wondered what happened to him. The moments where he acts like a dick, he probably felt amazing for having some sense of control over another person. Any time they met, Weiss just brushes him off and never connects to him. So of course he'd give a sarcastic remark to his sister for not asking how he's been with everything going on. Kid might be stressed due to all the shit that's been happening this past 2 volumes. He cant ignore it, it's right outside his house and he should keep tabs on what his father does. If he dies, Whitley is next in line to take control. And i cant wait for CRWBY To ruin his character.
@@alexanderfernandez5062 Same way they ruined Ironwood and Adam's character; make him do a bunch of 'irredeemnable' acts that'll get the audience siding against him, then probably give him a humiliating death to promote a ship.
@@johnking9943 oh yeah... Adam Taurus, they really do him dirty turning a MUCH MUCH more interesting character than blake into an Abusive Ex-boyfriend what a joke
@@johnking9943 Ahh that makes sense. Disgraceful. They turned Ironwood from a reasonable officer to "military man bad!" and Adam to "psycho boyfriend" joke. But i can't mention this to RWBY fans. The insane scum would REEE in Twitter.
how was it dumb??? as someone that's been fighting with my sibling for 3 years I've seen far worse and felt far worse. takes more than words to heal years of damage.
@@lesnarahamilton5674 3 years dont seem to compare when your siblings basically ignores you, infact the entire family ignored him, the kid is himself because of them.
@@marvantony9655 Same. RWBY is not the worst... but... Oh dear is the writing kinda bad. Don't get me wrong, it was never terribly good, but the fights were at least fun, and it wasn't serious.
So I haven’t watched since volume 5 and all I got to say is make this boy into the most terrifying villain in the series give him a semblance that plays off the main characters greatest fears and have him rip their world asunder all the while the main characters are stuck in a building perhaps Weiss’s home perhaps a time loop power that can force a person if in pain to continuously be in pain until the loop is broken Perhaps have a power that lets him break anything by touching it or perhaps some other power that is symbolic
@@michaelboots0314 Villain I wouldn't say exactly, but I'd dig a moment in which in a desperate moment in which he has the power to save Weiss, he looks at her briefly and instead saves someone else like an unknown bystander or the Butler.
@@poemboigenesis4435 turn into vergil ah yes so he can have a sibling rivalry with weiss which weiss wins then he gets written out the series for decades while weiss goes and get stronger and more character development oh wait that's already been happening since S1
That would be pretty cool if it happened. Whitely aids Salem. Not out of profit, but simply because he hates everything and everyone. He's never known what love feels like and decides, "Fuck it, if I can't be happy but Princess Weiss get's everything, then I'm bringing her down with me." It could be the wake up call for Weiss to see just how much like her father she's become.
@@mumblerogre2455 Naruto: Keep gambling and your grounded!😠 Pain: Your not my dad!😠 Naruto: Don’t make me come in there!😡 Pain: I dare you to come in here!😡 *Opens the door* Pain: ALMIGHTY PUSH! *And that’s how the fight started between sibling students*
It would actually make a good "What have I become moment." Weiss hasn't freed herself from her father. She has become him. The Cycle of Abuse will be carried on by her.
Weiss distrusts Whitley because he acts just like his father, even though he was manipulated that way Whitley is mad at Weiss for their father being taken away, because that means Whitley is just gonna be thrown in the shadows again. He was always jealous of Weiss and Winter for seemingly being Jacques' favourites, so he tried to make himself to be just like his father, hoping to get some approval from him. But he didn't get that approval until Jacques stripped the heiress title from Weiss. Whitley just needs his sisters to be there for him, but they both abandoned him to be stuck with his abusive father who doesn't love him at all and his alcoholic mother who is so depressed that she can't bare to face her kids that she loves so much
Whitley just needed anyone to be there for him. Anyone. Winter had Ironwood. Weiss had Beacon. Whitley was alone and clung to the only person he could that wasn't busy drinking themselves into intoxication: Jacques... who then proceeded to groom Whitley into a mini-Jacques all while Whitley became his lapdog in hopes of getting the faintest shard of approvation, which for him would equal affection, all while developing this grudge towards Weiss and Winter because they left him, never looked back and never tried establishing communications.
@@rainingterror5083 she fell into a depression, and she's an alcoholic. I wouldn't want my kids to see me like that. And she's aware of how awful she's been, she admits it. She didn't want Weiss to do the same thing
@@rainingterror5083 To add on to Jay Reid's point, her assessment of him means she's been paying attention and knows exactly what the issues are, Willow simply isn't in the right state to actively make changes herself
I don't blame him for loving his abusive father or taking after him after all his dad was only person Remotely there for him trying to Lookout and take care of him
Weiss: points a sword at her younger brother, who is a civilian incapable of fighting Also Weiss: pretends she is a victim of circumstances and a saviour
Me, volume 4: I love Whitley Members of the fandom: He is just like his father. Me, volume 8: What ya gonna say now? Cus this boy, is protected by the Whitley Protection Squad.
Treating Whitley like this is unacceptable. He’s never impeded her or shown any ability in combat, so drawing a weapon on him, especially as he’s her own blood, it ridiculous. Treating him like a child is almost worse. He wanted to do something, anything which may have been able to help his sister, and she spat on it. Utterly ridiculous.
It's not really ridiculous, it just shows what she stated: He's not family to her. And since she see herself as the heiress of the Schnee family, it's her home.
@@EngineScypex Yup Weiss decided at a young age she never wanted a brother and left him behind a long time ago and finds it perfectly okay to threaten a defenceless child just to get her way.
@@windghost2 A damn shame. Who isn't to say his attitude is because he was abused himself and he likely developed his father's trait over the years. For we knew, he could've been manupulated all his life.
I get that they might've been in a rush, but did she really have to strong-arm her way into the mansion? When they could've gone to a number of other places? I was hoping Weiss would make an effort to try and connect with Whitley, especially after what her mother said, but guess the writers didn't have time for that.
@@larrytherustyboii7442 Yep he is a innocent young human who is being threatened by Remnant's version of Meta-humans/Mutants what can he even do to defend himself.
Weiss acts like she in charge , she send her father in jail no longer want the familys dust company , leave her drunk mother with her brother , but she takes over the house ? how's that makes any sense?
Didn't Weiss use to hate Winter for doing the exact thing she's doing to Whitley? And didn't she use to act exactly like Whitley in season 1? So she's basically got the worst of both of them yet still hates them anyway. What a hypocrite
Exactly. From Ruby lying to Blake standing up for the oppressed Faunus from her comfy mansion - and don't even get me started on Yang - it's really sad that the word "hypocrite" more accurately describes our main four with each new Volume.
@@someoneelseishere5964 I think it's because Blake spoke as if she personally experienced racism but it turns out she is the daughter of what is essentially a King and lived in a mansion. She had a happier childhood than Weiss, Ruby and Yang! She says Menagerie is a shitty place but she lives with both parents on a massive estate on a beautiful tropical island. She also believes that asking for the oppressors to "stop pressing me" will work (a typical view of those who never experienced racism). It never does. Black people in the US only got civil rights as a result of the riots after MLK's and JFK's murders (violent acts which led to positive changes). Otherwise, it would have taken much longer or not happen at all. She comes off a bit like those rabid SJWs: the ones who come from middle-class backgrounds who've never truly felt oppression/hate from those in charge and only rant and rave because it sounds cool and makes them look progressive. She calls Wiess a "selfish little girl" but her backstory implies that she's equally selfish, if not more.
@@grandempressvicky6387 They were probably poor at some point before getting that big mansion. Plus people are still gonna be racist to Faunus no matter how high up some of them are. It's like in real life, people are still racist to others no matter how high up they are. Plus, I don't know why it's bad thing for Blake to defend her own kind even if she's does live in a big place. No matter what, you should always defend individuals who are being treated unfairly. It shouldn't matter if you're rich or not if you're standing up for them, you're standing up for them.
For real. I bailed on the show back in Volume 6 and even just from these glances to see if I ought to get into it again, it still looks like Whitley's only purpose as a character was just so Jacques had someone specific to threaten to pass Weiss over for. What a waste, not to mention that it honestly looks like the writers legitimately don't understand, despite that shallow lip service from Willow, that Whitley, even as the favorite child, is every bit as much a victim of Jacques' abuse and Willow's neglect as Weiss is, especially when you remember that the only reason Jacques favors him is because he successfully trapped the lad. Weiss comes out looking awful too, because, like the writers, she's basically dismissed him as nothing more than her insufferable brother who only exists to cause problems for her, rather than seeing him as his own distinct person. So what the hell was this kid supposed to do, Weiss? Evidently, he wasn't born with the potential to run away from that shit hole of a family swinging a sword like you and your sister, so how else exactly was he supposed to make it other than by trying to coexist with your sperm donor?
Worst part is, I probably don't even know if he has good relationships with them. He might be desperate for friends and confidants, but he's also desperate trying to get some semblance (ah ah, funny pun) of respect from his father, so he' probably feel like he should treat the staff like his father treats them.
there are members in my family I genuinely despise for various reasons i dont even them them as my real 'family', and even i wouldn't welcome them with a switchblade to the face there just asshole people, just ignore them and move on even if there are people you hate that much thers no reason to act like your gonna kill them, especially when its her fathers fault not even Whitley
@@zacrylist5748 Fair enough, there are some families that deserve that, but in this situation, Weiss went to where Whitley was, plus Jacques is the one who caused all her real grief.
@@zacrylist5748 I assume you also left these people with an abusive family just because they were a bit annoying to you, because that's how Weiss is treating her brother by pulling a blade on him.
Honestly the way Weiss has treated her brother pisses me off immensely and feel sympathy for Whitley to a point unknown. As the oldest sibling, this shit down right hurts to watch, like yes siblings have arguments, one is more annoying than the other but GOD acknowledging they are a person too and they are also suffering is so important.
Some Heroes. A band of hobo mercenaries that threw a city into Chaos our of self-righteousness and then made an abused boy feel like even more of a prisoner in his own home. This isn't even good vs evil or shades of grey. This is a moral clusterfuck. Who do I want to win? The Deamon Bitch and her pets from Hell or the body-snatching magical parasite with his squad of zealous and petty child soldiers? There's just no reason to root for anyone here. They're all so rotten.
@@johnnormington1311 They probably went, "Fuck this, let em kill each other. We'll try again in another 10 000 years." Funny really. Both IRL and in the Lore, the entirety of Remnant amounts to little more than a failed experiment.
@@randomcenturion7264 to be honest if I had the chance I would actively stop rwby's attempts to save mantle. That place is the Home of the scum of the earth.
This show is hilarious. Tries to make Ironwood look evil, instead makes him a hero. Tries to make Whitley look like a bad brother, instead makes him one of the most sympathetic characters in the show. Tries to make Ren look like he’s unfairly lashing out against his team, instead they accidentally have him share the major criticisms of the entire plot of RWBY.
@@Cptsuccess I can see it now father and son bonding moments James teaching Whitley how to fire Due process, James asking Whitley if he wants to unlock his Aura and training him how to use it and all those other good father son things to do.
@@mray4784 right?! I don't know what's worse, Winter and Weiss leaving Whitley, in Weiss's case twice, or Yang caring more about Blake's, someone who she only knew for a year, opinion of her more than her own sister, and I get that Ruby can't always rely on Yang forever, but come it's your family, hell she placed searching for a lady who wanted nothing to do with her over her sister's wellbeing.
@@mray4784 and the fact that he gets so much shit on from, not only the fans but, even the characters in the show, minus Willow(in her own way) blows my mind. Honestly if I was Willow when Weiss said Whitley wants nothing to do with me, I would have said ""Of course he doesn't... you left him alone... with us. He was alone, no interaction with his older sisters, no one to protect him... he was alone, with two of the worst people in this house"
@@jacobholder8514 A huge part of RWBY fandom lack empathy for characters who don't align with team RWBY. And the writers have a huge part of the blame.
The "fine, what did you expect me to do?" line is very sad: he agreed to help them and to an extend willing to do so, just to be immediately shout down
Last Season Willow Schnee: Take care of your brother Whitley Weiss: Ok This Season Also Weiss: (Points her weapon at Whitley then moments later) GO TO YOUR ROOM!!!!
@@Cptsuccess Whitley is hated by almost everyone in RWBY, Yet even in real life too I've saw a bunch of people hating on him just because he was a sassy spoiled brat, Isn't Weiss was also like that ever since at the start of V1? I've never seen people hating on Weiss at the beginning of V1 🤦 RT really wanted to make Whitley one of the most hated characters in RWBY but Whitley just ended up being one of the fans favorite characters
Whitley it literally just a kid and has had to deal with his life being surrounded by his sisters being away and his parents on the verge of their own self destruction. It's extremely sad because even with his snotty attitude, we have to take into consideration that Weiss straight up doesn't care about him. She even put a sword to his neck, which if is any indication represents she has no feelings left to give for him. Why threaten someone who isn't a threat? We can argue Whitley is a brat towards her, making Weiss more suspicious but he has real abandonment issues because of her. His remarks are because he genuinely feels these things but knows he will be pushed aside. As always. The family gives no recognition to him because he's young and cannot do things for himself. The kid has watched from the sidelines for so long but still wants to be a part of his sisters lives only to get rejected. Whitley isn't an enemy but Weiss certainly burned that bridge with threatening his life so casually.
I mean if the writers were smarter it could be argued that by threatening Whitley and locking him away, Weiss is giving him plausible deniability in case the fuzz shows up. “Officers I was held at sword point. Any aid that was offered to the fugitives was under duress.” Unfortunately I think they’re just gonna have Whitley rat them out, which of course makes him an irredeemable villain instead of a guy who’s doing what you do when a group of heavily armed lunatics kick down your door and take over your house.
The last volume made me realize something... that Whitley really isn’t a bad character. He was raised the wrong way, and has no other person to go to. PoS father, alcoholic and crazy mother, a military sister who removed herself from the family, and another sister who is basically neglecting him... kid is legitimately alone. Feel horrible for him, he’s so young.
Is that so? Everyone is responsible for his own actions. Weiss did enroll to Beacon. Given the fact she received pocket money we can assume that Jaque agreed to it. We know, that nearly everyone enrolling in a huntsmen academy was at a training school before, so we can assume Weiss enrolled there, too. Same with Winter. She enrolled to Atlas and joined the military. There is no hint that they needed to run away and hide for that. So what did Whitley? He stayed at home, enjoyed the life of someone, who doesn't need to do anything thanks to the family.
@Al3xh413 How about going outside your bubble and thing about it a bit harder? It's not too hard, I promise. Yes, theoretically Weiss could murder Jaque no problem. Do you think she could get away with that? AFTER the fall of beacon, when she was already pretty much a trained huntress, he arrested, slapped, insulted and threatened her. So why do you think he didn't do that BEFORE she could polish her skills on the academy or even training school? But you could already read the biggest point: Would he give her pocket money if he wanted her to not being there? Not really. He just stopped that, after Weiss refused to even talk to him (understandable, I think). And Winter let us know, that she was in a similar situation in the past. No, Whitley is not a fighter. But huntsmen isn't the only profession in Remnant. Much like Jaque allowed Winter and Weiss to enroll as huntresses, he would certainly not deny if Whitley wanted to learn a somewhat good profession.
@Al3xh413 Neither was mine, I just recommend trying to see the situation in a different view. If we're talking about abusive parents, we usually talk about violence, maybe even rape or sh*t like that. Is that actually what Jaque does? When he slapped Weiss, she didn't really leave the impression, that this happened before. And to be fair: she did unleash her semblance on a civilian guest before. So where's the idea from, that Whitley is a victim? Where's the idea from, that Whitley needed to run away to leave the house? When Weiss first left for beacon, there's no hint she ran away. More the opposite: Would Jaque sent her pocket money if she'd ran away? Don't think so. Even more with Winter, since she trained at Atlas, she was in reach for Jaque.
If this show had better writers they could really use this against Weiss in an interesting way to show how wrong she was here. Imagine how devastating but deserving it'd be to see Whitley utterly betray Weiss and/or team RWBY in some really big way during an important moment when they needed help the most; a way so bad that it completely secures their loss. And he does it with just a sad smile and saying "Help you? Like you did for me, right?" as he delivers the victory to the enemy. And then how Weiss gets a wake up call, realizes she was just perpetuating the cycle of abuse and now it has cost them dearly. But the reality is that they'll instead frame any betrayal (if that happens) as Weiss being right to treat him like this. Or if he does come around to their side he'll apologize for being wrong and absolve Weiss entirely of being the one who should be apologizing. Sigh... I hate it here.
I like your idea a lot. Sadly, you're correct and if they did something like that, all the blame would all be on Whitley's shoulders with Weiss learning nothing.
What do you mean better writers? Miles luna has been there sense the beginning with Monty. And also how do you know they wont have actions to their consequences?? Everyone just assumes everything
@@Rhys1021 Not only did RWBY have writing problems from the start that *still* plague the show to this day, they completely went astray the moment they gained a bigger control over the show. Miles and Kerry have always been shit writers, but Monty at least seemed to curb the worst parts of it. We're just seeing how bad they always have been since vol-4 after their "limiter" was removed. That isn't a fucking assumption, that is simply an *observation,* concluded by a healthy does of logic, critical thinking skills, and knowledge.
0:45 right here. This is a cry for help. He want his sister to acknowledge who he is. Notice how he says "brother" instead of his first name. He wants to be treated in a similar way as Weiss treats winter. If this dude turns into a villain someday; who can blame him? Just look how his family treats him.
Weiss, with her thousand solos about her isolation and loneliness despite always having some support on her side: mirror mirror amirite? whitley, literally groomed to be isolated and controlled by Jaque, having no support, family, friend, aura, semblance, and means to be independent: what.
God let’s be honest here a main cast of perfect beings is fucking boring I’d love to see how this would play out properly but lord knows the cis gender whit kid has to look like and ass and this coming from a black dude this is why I say men shouldn’t be at each other’s throats for stupid shit when they put propaganda like this deliberately in tv for people to hate us it’s crazy the main villain is Salem and I hate her less than ozpin
Yang is always obssesed with Blake and is hotheaded. Blake is selfish and hypocritical to Nora when she is not a character without Yang. Ruby gastlights Penny constantly. Now Weiss. :'( Penny still best girl at least. She is the more human character.
He’s a lonely, scared child who models himself after the only sting and influential person around him; his father. His mother is an alcoholic, his father is a criminal, his sisters got out of the house. He gets treated with disdain and like a brat, but I don’t think there’s anyone in the world who has put any effort into having a positive relationship with him personally. He even points it out to Weiss here, she makes no effort with him and just considers him a weight off of a sibling, so he doesn’t want to make the effort here
So basically Whitley is just as much of a victim as his siblings difference being that he didn't inherit any powers therefore had to use the only thing he had his intelect and understanding of the family business and he's supposed to be the villain for that???
@@Cptsuccess it is, that’s how Adam slapping Blake is seen as some cruel crime while Blake slaps Sun (several times) not only with no reprisal or consequence but we as the audience are meant to find it “funny.”
"Don't forget about your brother." She then she forgot about her brother until her brother magically fixed her problems by remembering to use his phone.
Seriously!!! You should be writing RWBY cuz this one simple edit has just raised this boys popularity tenfold........ I can already hear the fangirls now
The writers continue to accidentally make more interesting/relatable characters than the main ones. Wonder how they'll try and ruin him? Because we all know nobody is allowed to make the heroes look bad.
Despite nobody, being allowed to make the "Heroes" look bad, they always manage to make them look like selfish, egotistical pricks. If RT is delusional enough to believe we think Whitely is the villain here, they are sorely mistaken.
@@randomcenturion7264 That's what we all said about ironwood last volume. It'll happen to whitley too. But just wait until over dramatic sheep like murderofbirds just shit on people for not going with it.
Haven’t watched since season 4. Did they manage to accidentally make Team CRDL into a crew of hyper competent badasses with a knack for protecting civilians? Because I feel like that’s something that would happen from what I’ve seen.
I can't believe I actually bad for Weiss back then. She talks about how bad her father is, and now that he's gone and she's the one whose in charge, she proves to be no better than he was.
Willow: Too busy sucking down a bottle of alcohol Winter: Joined the military and never visited or called back home Weiss: Ran away to be a hunter And they wonder why he turned out like his father
