WARNING!!!!!! I noticed that there is a small bug only on the Ryzen 7 8700G that power is lower than 70W on three games "Assassins Creed Mirage", "Starfield" and "Red Dead Redemption 2" , I reinstalled the apu driver and restarted the computer and the power returned to normal 77-87W and gives +5 FPS up only on these three games "Assassins Creed Mirage", "Starfield" and "Red Dead Redemption 2" in this video which are slightly power cut because of the bug... I repeat in this video three games "Assassins Creed Mirage", "Starfield" and "Red Dead Redemption 2" on R7 8700G should be +5 fps up. (Yeah, I tested it's really gives +5 or almost +6 fps up than bug) And this bug happened only on R7 8700G.... I AM SO SORRY FOR SHOWING YOU WRONG FPS STATS ON THREE GAMES WITH R7 8700G in this video thanks to bug , THIS BUG JUST RUINED MY MOOD AND MY DAY…... I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS BUG. Again, I'm so sorry! __________ ***Edit #1: Today, bios released new driver for Disabled AMD STAPM, this problem is fixed! So, no need to re-install/restart to fix power/fps if your bios is updated to latest version which is fixed this problem. System Info: 0:00 ( 8500G: 0:00 / 8600G: 0:40 / 8700G: 1:16 ) Call of Duty MW2: 3:44 ( Results = R5 8500G: 4:51 / R5 8600G: 5:03 / R7 8700G: 5:13 ) Forza Horizon 5: 6:20 ( Results = R5 8500G: 8:05 / R5 8600G: 8:17 / R7 8700G: 8:30 ) Rainbow Six Siege: 12:17 ( Results = R5 8500G: 13:39 / R5 8600G: 13:51 / R7 8700G: 14:06 )
Judging by the usual behavior of Apu's, pretty much any results rather looks odd. Cpower almost equals Gpower all the time. Even though the FPS might look somewhat realistic, the power consumption does not. If the Cpower is really only the power consumption of the cpu alone, these would be the worst APU's in a long time. Looking at the Gpower alone.... an undervolted RX 6600 to 0,775V @ 1800mhz would consume less and perform way better. Looking at the Rainbow Six results... this system would consume above 170W... that is more than a stress test, maxing out a 5700g and an undervolted RX 6600 at the same time. TBH I currently would rather like to see the build in AMD Metrics + a wall current meter. This seems more realistic than those bugged sensor tools. Even if I am thankful for all the testing in all the Channels, non of them has given any usable information. Even the idle results differ between 41W and 74W, which is insane. Comparing just those results would make this APU garbage, since even a 5600g + 6600 only consumes about 40W idle, Monitor included, if set up the right way. Even a 5700G + RX 6600 + Elegato Capture Card + Ae-5 plus Soundcard, 3 Case Fans, and 7 Drives only idles at around 46W - System only. I do get the point in running those things stock, yet it doesn't make sense in the slightest. Neither do you need PBO, nor CBS to even max out the GPU on any of those Apu's. Even running this in Windows Energy Saving Profile should not render any difference in the FPS results, but in the the total consumption. Those things aside... the PCI lane configuration is actually what ruins those cpu's. Even if they may be efficient and low in power consumption, what has yet to be proven, their potential usage is ruined on the x4 APU'S and rather limited on the x8. Compared to a basic 5600G using bifurcation, I am losing way to many connections. As you are able to alter the PCI lanes to your needs these days. I would miss out on 12 Sata connections here in NAS Build type, or at least loose 2 x4 Connections, which could either utilize additional Cards or NVME drives. As it is right now, I don't really see any reason to get any of them. Upgrading from am4 APU makes no sense given the required expenses on the new platform. I am losing way to much connectivity. Looking at it from the creator side.... they are interesting... but I am not convinced the expenses would be beneficial.
In CP2077 8600g and 8700g gpu performanse reduced = less than maximum gpu freq - not enough TDP for full performance... = cpu consume a lot of tdp in this test.
@@Bento-san yes undervolted 6600 or 3070 more faster - they eat x3 power, when APU eat 20w to cpu and 65-20=45W to igpu. And in cpu intencity games igpu aditionaly drop performance.
Just the fact that you can play AAA modern games without a GPU is mind-blowing. Okay, the settings are the lowest, and FSR rendering is at 480p or 720p, but you can play! That is all that matters.
Honestly, do you ever play current gen games in 720p? I tell you, it is absolutely terrible. If I play last gen games (such as Witcher, Mass Effect, GTA V, etc) on lowest setting, I can still play them correctly... But current gen games (especially Unreal Engine based) is so horrendous in lowest settings. There is no "best" Option in the APU market, AMD botched the desktop option even when they know they could offer more like those handheld processors, they simply holding back to make the budget GPU (RX x600 and Nvidia xx50 series) still relevant to buy
it's 1080p with low settings, i can tell just looking at it. though if you do what you said, 720p you can play with higher settings then. but if you want the best playing and visual experience, 900p and medium settings will get you around 40 to 50fps depending on the game.
above $300 to be above 40/50 FPS in low qualities in current games! I don't see a big jump compared to the 5600g. You have processors for $100 and GPUs for $200 that make amazing combos, disappointment for the price/performance!
5700g was a 359$ cpu. People seem to forget that. And, these are not for being the cheapest performance you can get, they're more for low power ITX boxes or low power draw pcs. Secondly, these absolutely destroy the 5700g in cpu performance, the 5000 apus are something like 30% slower than the 5000x cpus, so if you do add a gpu later the cpu is holding it back.
Bro i would love to see this kind of testing on all emulators and see how much can you upscale them, especially ps2 and ps3 emulation. I think there is a bunch of us who would love to see this thanks great video.
Wow, the igpu progress is really staggering. If they continue to develop them at this pace, we're gonna have a viable igpu in about 50 years, if not sooner.
yeah that's what I was thinking, 170 gets you weaksauce, 329 gets you super overpriced but slightly better performance, but 229 gets you a perfect balance
Thanks for showcasing the chip without surrounding components which limit performance, and opting for sufficient ram, power supply and cooler to not cause bottleneck. I think ETA prime is mentally challenged.
Cool performance from such tiny chips👍 This will be the future of gaming for sure....just curious why is the Ryzen 5 8600g running some 20°C+ hotter then the other two in such similar conditions ?
So basically get an rx 6600 and get twice the gaming performance by pairing it with an i3 12100f for basically the same price. How anyone at amd thought this would be a good product is beyond me. They didn't even put a newer igpu, it's the same 780m that we've already seen tons of times in handhelds and laptops.
Yeah, these aren't meant for budget builds IMO. Too expensive to be one. Damn, I missed the days when 2200G/2400G were launched. It's was an instant hit for budget build as stopgap until you can get a proper GPU later.
it more for video editors and anyone who needs AI features like in photoshop and its not a " budget " u d need to wait its going to be like the 5700g when it first released it was 350 if i remember well now on amazon its 200$ so yeah ud need to wait till at least 2025 q2 to see it go for a decent price 300/250$ and then and only then it WILL hit the sweet spot
Wonderful video Christo, thank you! Was waiting for your benchmarks :) Maybe you can test the 8600g on 720p for it‘s TDP efficiency on 60fps lock? Without turbo for example ? Thank you anyways for investing your time to save us time & money! Best regards
This is honestly impressive as a concept. I could definitely see apus becoming the standard for a lot of PCs in the future. Enabling moderate gaming and productivity work all in one unit
They should have made a 8400g with a 780m igpu and processing power to be like 12400. That would be a game changer. Alas it's not even worth the money.
Very happy to see the 8500G in the comparison! You are amazing bro!!! By the way, these are the APUs I've been looking for (Star Wars pun: these aren't the droids you've been looking for)
Gracias por el benchmark del 8500g, parece que no estan habiendo mucho reviews de ese procesador. Ojala hagas una comparativa del 8500g contra el 5600g , mas que nada por ser el mas barato
Translate please: Hola, hablo español y no soy tan bueno escribiendo en inglés. De antemano, gracias por testear los Ryzen 8000 y mostrárnoslo, pero tengo una duda, ¿por qué el uso de la VRAM es 0.3GB en todos los juegos?
This would most def get a thumbs up from me IF you would have not been drawing to outline the items you think need to be seen rather than taking a few more second not to distract the viewer and just let them scan the info them selves. Thank you for the video.
8600g is the best price to performance in terms of gaming, here in my country its only 20 dollars more than the ryzen 5 7600. while the 8700g has 140-160 dollars more, then you can save up and put more budget in to your gpu later on.and even when you're going to upgrade the cpu to a 9000 series you can always use the APU to build a 2nd computer for family, kids homework or whatever without needing to buy a gpu for it
It's amazing, the Ryzen 5 8600G is amazing both performance wise and price wise, but I would call it 900P then 1080P gaming processor, oh and it would be more awesome if FSR3 and A.F.M.F comes to these processors
About "For some reason 8600G consumes more power than 8700G. Why is that so?" I re-tested three-four times scene on 8700G and still got same power numbers(I also restarted PC and it's still the same). So, I have no idea why 8700G some games is lower power than 8600G.
Wondered about that too. It looks like the 8000 series efficiency sweetspot lies around 3ghz too. 8600g only has 6 cores and boosts into turbo more often regarding to the videos, while 8700g can run lower frequency on good multi-core optimized games I‘d say, reaching lower TDP. Christo, you could turn off CPB (is that what its called? Turbo) to compare the gpu efficiency better (not perfect) 8600g will win the tdp race for games I think
Were all 3 of these using the same cooler or did you test each one based on the stock cooler AMD provided from the box? The power use & thermals between the 8600G and 8700G are what I'm focused on. For the stock cooler with comes in the box version it looks like the R7 8700G gets a Wraith Spire vs the Wraith Stealth for the R5 chips.
Very interesting and useful. But I've tried to slow dowm my PC with RX6600 and 5600G to the Speed of the 8700G and it tooks together about 80-95W. Its almost as efficient as this. So I think a PC with Ryzen 5500 and RTX3050 could be more efficient.
dang amazing vid my guy!! for a 179 usd cpu to get 30+ fps on any game at 1080p without a gpu is ridiculously good. just buy yourself a cheap 600-700 usd system with any of these and save up some money and buy a gpu later thank u amd
You would have gained more FPS if you increased VRAM, which in you case is only 512MB. You should go to BIOS and enable "Game Mode" to automatically allocate VRAM(4GB initially) or "Force Mode" to allocate up to 16GB of VRAM, depending if MB support those features after all. Also, make sure your RAM is running at lower CL(30 if you memory can handle it, XMP and EXPO profiles don't do that by default) and of course don't forget to enable boost mode for the CPU. doing those things would drastically increase performance.
That BIOS setting is often misunderstood. It controls the amount of RAM dedicated to the iGPU that other programs are not allowed to use. The iGPU is still allowed to use as much shared RAM as it wants. Many of these games would not run with only 512 MB of VRAM.
Those APUs with Powerful Integrated Graphics already exist and are called >>> PS5/Xbox Series X. Amd will give you an iGPU up to a certain level, but it will never shoot itself in its own foot by launching an iGPU for socket AM5 with the power of an RX 6600, stop dreaming.
@@juanmassiosare9850 all I am saying is AMD priced the chips way to high it doesn't justify the performance it's offering for that kinda cash you can grab a ps5
@@Deathdemon65 ...You must understand some things: 1) Microsoft and SONY have a hand in APUs with powerful Integrated Graphics, they are special clients for AMD, which guarantee them a certain number of units year after year (more SONY than MS), so AMD will never attack that business model launched a powerful APU for PC (Dektop or Laptop or MiniPCs). 2) Both MS and SONY buy these chips (CPU+iGPU), other chips and everything related to their consoles at a much lower price than those that ordinary buyers/customers can reach. 3) The most normal thing in the world in which the Gamer segment of Consoles, the manufacturer sells its console with very little profit margin, with zero profit and even with loss, since said business model is sustained to a greater extent by the sale of Games, Services, Accessories, Related Articles, etc. 4) AMD is not going to launch an iGPU so powerful that it ends the possibility of selling its own current Dedicated Graphics designed for the Gamer segment. If I can buy an RX 6600-8GB for only 200 USD, it does not mean that AMD earns those 200 USD in full, since the final seller takes their cut (PCEL, Microcomputer, Amazon, Newegg, Coolmod etc.), as well as whoever I distributed the graphics in a country, in a region and throughout the world; In addition, whoever stored it, who manufactured/assembled it (MSI/Asus/Sapphire etc.), whoever directly manufactured the chips (TSMC and Global Founders for example) will have to earn a percentage and obviously some percentage of profit will go to AMD (who designed the chips). chips).
@@juanmassiosare9850 nobody is asking for ps5 performance on desktop apu would make more sense if 8500g didnt exist and replaced with 8600g at that price point without removing all the pci lanes at this rate amd is just creating more e-waste
As much as big time tech youtubers are dunking on these, it's goddamn amazing the strides they made in 1 generation. I think the next gen is getting close to pushing high 1080 into 1440.
@@frankytanky5076los apus no serán para 1440p , por qué los juegos van saliendo cada vez más exigentes y las PC cada vez más potentes Faltan almenos 5 años para que los apus sean para 1440p
2 years ago you do a test with far cry 6 and 5700g. can you please do far cry test simular on the new CPU or maybe at least with 8700G. also fsr 3 and frame generation is usefull
This will happened soon on Games Series, give me time! I need to finish some videos then i will start one by one games series on 8500g/8600g and 8700g.
These processor are not incredible as of now but in like 3years with fsr3 in the used market they will cost like 150-200€ and that will be a complete steal for the price a gaming pc for 350€ and for the 8500g it will be 250€ what an era we live in
Eehh? Fsr3 en unos meses estará en muchos juegos , y recuerda que el CPU del 8700g es como de 7700x y el 8600g del 7600x Por lo cual estás teniendo un CPU que te aguanta gráficas gama media alta
@@traelkel8789i don’t really understand what you say in this answer ? Like are you agreeing or not cause even with translate you don’t seem to understand my comment ?
The performance of the GPU 740 of the Ryzen 8500G can roughly be compared with which graphics card? It would be interesting because a power supply with 600 watts would easily be enough if it could be omitted.
do remember youtube test with 6000+mhz ram ddr5 ram mostly sell at 5200mhz mainstream price 6400mhz is about double that price lmfao might as well get a gpu
What's up with the clocks on the 8500G? It's barely even doing 3300, jumping down on ~2900MHz half the time. Edit: Never mind, I forgot abou tthe Zen 4c cores.
Someone needs to test these with like 7200mhz or at least 7000mhz if possible, everyone is showing off 5200 and 6000 and APUs love faster ram. Anyways thanks for this.
My budget is so low to buy much faster rams like 7200Mhz or 7400Mhz. That's why I bought 6000Mhz which i can allow my budget, sorry if this slower ram speed makes you a bit unhappy.
@@ChristoGevedjov hey don't worry, I didn't mean to make it sound like that. I appreciate you showing all of these and taking the time to do so, I know making and putting this all together took some work and ofc the cost to get all of this. I know that ram speed I mentioned isn't ideal for most as we all would be a on budget when making a PC, especially an APU build that might turn into a good gaming PC later. But again, thank you I'm not upset or disappointed. I'm mainly just more curious about how they would perform on some super fast ram.
i expected more from the ryzen 8000 apus. i think amd was scared of biting her own low end gpus. they will only be worth when this cpus drop the price.
1920 Graphics Score on 3DMark Time Spy from the website "cpu-monkey". That puts it around 3% above the 96EU Intel Iris Xe Graphics found in Alder Lake CPUs. It's around 80% of the performance of a GTX 1050 Ti, and slightly faster than the base 2GB GTX 1050.
