SAGE IS BAD!? The WORST HEALER in FFXIV? [FFIXV 6.2] 

I main and LOVE the Sage, it's got so much goodness to it!

Sage: Every single job mechanic of mine is far better designed than literally all of yours. Scholar: Crit and Speed buffs go brrrrrr

I think this takes out of context that as Scholar has 10 years of history; more people are just comfortable and familiar with that class than the shiny new Sage.

After 10 years of playing DPS, Sage and Astro are the only two classes that made me wanna try the healer role this year. And im loving it. Its something about the Sage class that just hits different. But im glad they introduced it cause im having a ball playing ffxiv still.

Sage as opposed to Scholar has such a smooth kit and is easier to dungeon heal with imo. Im a SCH main and im ready to admit that, when people are dropping health fast, it’s difficult to know what should be used to bring a team back up. Not with Sage, its like Medical Gun Fu; shooting choles and shields off and stringing healing buffs and mits. Maybe not as potent as Scholar, but definitely able to keep a team afloat. I strongly believe people are overlooking the clunkiness that still exists in Scholar’s kit in favor of big shields expedient (Which are great!!) but man id like the job to get looked at again.

I always thought of (Pan)Haima as telling the boss: "Screw your Ahk Morn-style Mechanic".

Sage in my opinion is probably the most fun dungeon healer for me. " Oh no! The tank died and is targeting the dps with a von stack" Proceeds to super crit with Zoe & Krasis enabled for more than the health bar shows. That and just being able to ignore most mechanics in general. I was a Whm main for many years until Sage came out and I don't think I'll ever go back unless they really change up Sage.

I'm just comfortable with my Sage toolkit. I tried clearing p5s earlier with my Scholar but I was really bad at managing my Aetherflow. I switched back to Sage after and it was a clear!

I like Sage other than the Addersting Mechanic. SCH is fun too, but I still think needs some changes. I hate the Fairy Gauge right now, and kind of wish Energy Drain had a flashier animation. Their DPS rotation could be more interesting but that goes for all healers. It’s also got a button bloat problem like AST.

One thing I would love for healers is some more damage buttons, I feel they could be doing more in their dps rotation than spamming the same attack and reapplying a dot.

I mained scholar ever since 2.0. I never thought I would talk so negatively about a class after I swapped over to Sage. Sage just feels nearly perfect for people who love to dps and not have to worry about thinking so hard in any fight. Scholar feels outdated and super clunky. I dont feel I have enough in the kit to be able to heal like I do as Sage.

Just because ppl don't want to play Sage that's there problem and them lacking the ability to embrace change or just are silly

The Sage was the first healer I picked up. I just wandered outside Limsa and found the unlock quest (I had no idea what the quest did lol) and BOOM I was floored at how alike this Job was to the Disc Priest of WoW. I find it flows well and that you have to think about the encounters and what to expect before so you can anticipate the damage and shield accordingly. Still getting used to dealing damage as a Healer coming from WoW, but it's been a lot of fun.

I’m glad you mentioned holos! I’m a SCH main, and I wanted to like SGE more than I did, but a lot of SGE players don’t use the kit it has. Holos is super amaze!

I just love that Sage has only 2 real cast-time spells - the filler DPS spell Dosis, and the super cooldown Pneuma. Everything else is instant cast, which when added to the fact that you've also got Icarus, and Phlegma and Toxicon to fill DPS on the move, Sage is just the absolute most mobile healer and even most mobile caster in general, and it feels so great to play.

imma go a bit Thano's here: people demanding we play the play the meta: "all these jobs are bad and cant do this content" me, a person who just wants people to enjoy the game: "Your demeanour is that of a pouty child, your meta BORES me!"

I think the best buff sage could get right now would to allow Pepis to work with haima and panhaima and a Plegma range change(for pve only)

In my opinion, Sage is how Scholar should have been designed. The fairy so, so, so, awful at everything. It's the only class that's actually reliant on AI to perform part of its core mechanics. It got a lot better with Endwalker, but after powerleveling Sage to take that through the leveling experience in Endwalker, I'm just blown away at how much more fun it is than Scholar. I still main scholar and I'm better at it, but it takes so much more effort to yield the same results. and it's not altogether that much stronger, but it can enhance the entire raid's burst window which is why it's a key class to bring in prog. As much as I enjoy the scholar's class fantasy, I wish they could just abandon the fairy mechanically, or make it a bigger part of the kit and allow us to micromanage it. If we could micromanage it like Kardia can be managed at the very least, it would be nice. Also, a Feo Ul glamour for the fairy would be appreciated.

unfortunately all these clear % show is how impactful social stigmas are in this game. You get 1 guy maybe an influencer say "sage is trash" and then theres 2000 people in their chat that go around and say it.

As I've said before, the encounters are design around any healer or tank meeting mitigation and healing thresholds, so tippy top will still be determined by damage. No one cares about utility or flexibility at the expense of raw damage, especially when the only real mechanic to determine success is meeting damage windows (specifically in the first few weeks of progression when no one has the ilvl to compensate for sub optimal compositions). If you really wanted a 1st week clear or are attempting minimum ilvl as a challenge, you'd just swap or else drag your team down.

The book is mightier than the glock

Sage's kit is just comfier to play with it's oGCDs and instant cast shields that it can throw before a tank buster or raidwide.

Funny Sage story: Some time ago, I was tanking the lvl 90 Void dungeon when I noticed one of the guys in my group kept trying to run in front of me each time before I did my pulls. It was happening the entire dungeon and I was getting a little irked, so right before the final big pull before the boss, I said, "Fine, if you pull the next mobs then you're tanking them." The guy shouted back at me, "IM LITRLY A PLD U DUM SAGE!!!!" So toxic.

It seems like you had fun making this video. I'm keeping to sage this tier even if it's a slower prog than if I was on scholar. sage will see more play once us casuals start gearing up some more. Scholar last tier, sage this tier, white mage next. That's the plan I made at the start of the expansion and I'm sticking with it.

In fairness, I never tried to say expedient would be bad, just that it was no substitute for fixing the design issues with scholar

My co healer and I were going to swap this tier with me on shields and him on pure. I tried SCH for a bit and absolutely hated it so back to AST 😂

I actually am the most comfortable during "oh shit" moments when playing sage compared to the other 3 healers 🤷‍♂️

I absolutely love the change to Holos they made. I've saved so many players from being chunked now it has that extra barrier on top

Absolutely agree with you Cole my lad. I don't care about what's "meta". All I care about is that hehe funny magic wands go zap with the lazers. Sage is honestly so enjoyable to me and no amount of snobbery will dissuade me from it.

As a scholar main, it’s really hard to play it well by comparison, it’s like the black mage of healers

Huh? Cleared all the savage raids using sage...it isn't that hard or bad.

I played scholar and enjoyed it, but it's also why I jumped to sage. I love the shield healing, but sage just feels so much quicker.

Maybe. But: 1. It’s the most fun 2. You have 4 floating laser guns 3. Phlegma Balls

I hate it when my co healer is SCH, weakass heals all of them in pf has dps mindset dont wanna hardcast some shields always bruh moment in p7s when the sch dont wanna throw nothing on ff2 and the dps prepositions to thier deaths they dont even heal out the damage of thier group on same platform keep dpisng, id rather have sages as cohealers all day.

I am progging on my SGE too - the parses are just skewed right now with the usefulness of Expedient during prog + the buff to Chain Stratagem via the CH/DH changes - I believe it will just come out in the wash over the next 2 weeks

Sage is perfect for a smooth brain like me who forgets to heal himself.

I play both equally well but will be sticking with sch due to expedience and the recit spreadlo the only time I hate playing sch this tier is purgation on p7s sage does that so well while sch you have to stop sometimes and shield up also sacred stays in that one specific area unlike kerachole where everyone has that free 10 Miti the whole time

Sage has a lot of nice stuff, buuut I prefer my fairy. Also Scholar theoretically gets up to 9 Atherflow in a row, Sage only 4 Addersgall. Pls buff Rhizomata x-x

I just got back into the game and usually main dps, playing on controller iv always been afraid to try healer but I always watch these videos

These clickbait thumbnails are a bit much lmao

I'm the main sch, and when it comes to extreme or savage, I prefer to have a sge in my pair, I love healing in 2 shield heals. sge and sch are made for each other @v@

I can't speak for other tanks, but as a tank..I love sage healing. :D

Seraph is pronounced Sare-a-f not Sir-a-f

For what it's worth, big "knowledge" sites are now saying "It's good to use ogcd aoes for just a single target if you don't have a single target ogcd left." I only just started sage having finally leveled the other healers and saving it for last on purpose, and I find that I'm doing this from time to time, and it isn't hurting a freaking thing.

I was born by the sch, made gaymer by the sch and dammit I will die by the sch its dull to play as of now but the reason I picked it up...hell the reason I enjoyed stormblood was the technicality of the classes ie tanks could switch between two stances one designed for more dmg while the other brought a defensive outlook and focused on enmity...I loved sch cuz to pets brought two diff things it wasn't perfect but screw u I'm still disillusioned with how the classes function yea its more beginner friendly but Where's the 🍕 pizazz

I don't do savage so I'll just have fun with my jobs I hope everyone enjoys the game

Magician in Kalonline that is a supporter in abilities and a great fighter has been the 2nd best but best in skills for years. Wonderful class. Just fantastic class.

I tried to play Scholar in a raid, and that caused me to remember why I dropped it. Scholar's kit feels abysmal. If it wasn't for Expedient, Chain Strat, and/or Deployment Critlo, Scholar would be garbage-tier with how terrible Scholar's kit interacts with itself. I feel like a lot of the problem comes down to Dissipation, which is a terrible skill all around, and Energy Drain being oGCD. Dissipation isn't being used as a Healing cooldown like the developers intend, except when a bigger Deployment Critlo is needed, and Energy Drain basically prevents Scholar from using the healing aspects of its kit because it would be a damage loss otherwise. Sage's kit is actually coherent. All Sage really needs is a damage buff and probably putting Phlegma on a 60s timer with a bigger hit.

SAGE and ASTRO are my most played healers

As someone who plays all the healers I can say sage is one of the funnest healers to play but they struggle in places where the other three don’t it’s usable but it feels weak when you go between the healers

absolutely nothing can beat the sage's shields and barriers, the same can be said for white mage and its raw healing potential, but when you're rading and you want to heal as little as possdible to push the dps, nothing can beat sch and ast, yes there might be the extra succor or aspected helios, but in the long run chain and div are instupidically powerful. likewise , nothing can beat the raw nukes of the whm and sage. you simply cant compare the raw nuke power of sage and whm to ast and sch. what it boils down to is how you play the job and synergize with your co-healer. tbh sge + sch is stupid fun especially if you know your co-healer and they know you.

I play white mage, from what I've seen, I've seen sage's that does not know how to use there kit properly, I've seen sage's use panhaima to heal and protect against normal raid wides rather than using there cooldowns for the appropriate mechanic. But i want to point out that it's what "I'VE SEEN" my experience is different from everyone else's.

I’m always torn between sage and scholar but always think sage to be the better one albeit no expedient. Lol this starts to feel like a scholar hate video than a sage video. I mean, those that think playing sage instead of scholar is bad probably don’t worth your time. So just ignore. Those of us that actually play them wun think like that

I do hope eventually we move away from ass whopping arenas and all healers bubbles function just like sages

No matter what you play... reason ? because the way raids work .. mechanic, aoe heal , mechanic, aoe heal repeat... there is no persistent dmg to matter what you play. All you need is to survive the aoe dmg and do the mechanic , that it , can you do it ? then you can play your class.

I hardcast Egeiro plenty of times, sorry teammate ded and swicast still on CD, not gonna waste the LB3 on a single person, heck just last night in P6 I hardcast rezzed multiple people after swiftest reading the other healer right at the end and sussessfuly pulled that off through a mechanic where I needed to be moving around a bit

You know, I honestly think Sage is just fine. As long as Scholar lacks a little mitigation, keep expedient and the fairy. Zoe and Holos are great if you have a multihit aoe go off. Just that little extra could have saved a few wipes in P4S either at the transition or at the end. GLARE. GLARE. GLARE. Afflatus Rapture. Rinse repeat til its time for blood....lol jk I enjoy healing on both ast and whm. They both have their respective benefits to playing the job. I think keeping myself alive is better than worrying about others staying alive. I just get tired of all these buttons that are off cd and I see a button I need to press. Honestly I like sage more than others because it has so many different dps options. Yes I can use lightspeed on Ast or save my blood lily for whm, moving and doing damage from either a long cd or timing my barriers feels better.

Because hardcore players want Sch crt buff. Sage feels just fine overall if u are missing charges to heal sage falls way behind due to its weak basic heal and lack of a type of cure II. Sch just brings alot for utility.

god forbid they make a healer that is really good at healing and damage mitigation...

At the moment clear barbicca ex i havent dipped toes in savage with sch and sge but honestly i think any healer is good. Gear up. Many parse players ask for too much and honestly most of them i would just kindly say if they have rewards for clears clearly someone at Square thought people use these class. Parse players = dumb at times. You make the game unfun cause u chase meta and want everyone to only play that class even when they dont want. Thanks parse players :D you love to ruin the fun

Between the 4, AST and SGE are my go-to.

I love both barrier healers both are exeptionally good and can pair well with other healers .I love scholar in savages because it can mitigate any dmg if he rotates his cds without having to use gcds + the expediend speed buff is way too gamebreaking but the raw powershielding and instant on top of that that sage has is way better in extremes and pf where you dont know your cohealer .In coclution sage can hard carry as solo healer in raids but scholar is hard to do cause he lacks that instant shielding...both are great and i love them but sage has more raw healing than scholar and it shows when you re with randoms.on the other hand they should really fix addersgal and phlegma as saperate ogcd ability instead of skill and scholars indomitability shouldnt have cd its locked on etherflow anyway... anyway dont mind my rant i just love both barrier healers i cant just choose one over the other i ll main both!

I tend to get annoyed with a Sage doing my roulettes since far too many seem to think they can just plop Kardia on the MT and just DPS. It's very apparent a lot more casual players just don't 'get' how the job even functions. It's definitely more of a problem than a WHM who doesn't know what they're doing and just spam Medica II and destroy their MP. I'll take overhealing to underhealing. The week 1 meta isn't of much interest to me, changing potency numbers if jobs need it or whatever shouldn't be terribly complicated for devs to do in a patch. I'm sure in endgame content Sage is fine for those who enjoy it.

Sage is not as easy to understand like Scholar so comparing "Clears" is horrible. I mostly only played Tank and switching to Scholar is easy compared to the multitude of buttons Sage has to swap between. Scholar you learn from a lower level and Sage STARTS at 70 unloading abilities on you to learn on the fly. So please consider these things.

I love healer discussion, i love healing

I'll be honest I hate going into alliance raids as a scholar and the other healer is a sage As soon as I cast recitation Oh the sage just casted zoe, are they going to give the shields???? 4 seconds on recitation no shields Ok then, adlo spread OH NOW THEY GIVE THE SHIELD AFTER I USED THE SPREAD SHIELD SKILL Oh look you dropped a ful shield bar to a half shield bar

so the answer was "like Amuro Ray, the player must also be a new type to properly use this class"

Question if anyone can answer can you have two set of healing tome gear for different heal classes? I main AST and sage has a slightly different materia set up and I don't want to switch materia?

I mean, if it means I stop getting paired with another SGE in pugs as often as I do then yes, SGE is the worst healer. 😏

I'm not a healer main, but Sage is my favorite and Scholar is a close 2nd place. The entire Sage kit feels good and works great.

We can't overlook the fact that Sage is a brand new job, designed with the current paradigm in mind, while Scholar has 10 years of design tweaking.

i play scholar, because it fits me more. i think sage is ok. Im suprised with these numbers

I don't get why you're concerned about this, worse case scenario some scrubs don't let you in pf and in a few months you get buffed

Sage is fun in those dungeon runs, but I hate trying to raid with it. WHM all day.

The 95%ish portion of the community who is having these knee jerk reactions based on week 1 people non of this matters for ur 2 month tier clear static.

I love how you frame the thumbnail and title as clickbaity/negative/meta bs, then you go and make all the arguments against the clickbait. I've always been curious how much do you script out these kinds of videos, because they seem rather well thought out but also flow really well too.

As a scholar main whose done savage and ultimates, Sage is objectively better than scholar on every front. Widely, *widely* better single target healing Much better AoE healing because yes we have 600 potency 2 min (holos), 700-1800 also on 2 min panhaima and then also 900 potency pneuma+zoe. Then they can also press pneuma as well as "indom" together whilst scholar could only do a critdom comparitevly. A lot of scholar's power is gated behind 15 different ogcds with a bunch of delay and your quirky "stances" (dissipation, regular pet, seraph), so not only do you have to do 3 times the amount of ogcd's, it's also all incredibly delayed. Sage also has the ability to spam shield GCD whilst walking. Idk why they do but they do got it. The only tool that scholar has over sage would be addlo/crittlo spread which do be good and the fact that a lot of pet spells are effectively "global" (consolation and blessing should always hit the whole party if you place pet right, WD/Fey illum can usually hit everyone too) DPS wise scholar has a slight edge but that shouldn't be your concern when healing. I still love scholar but this job really needs some potency buffs across the board and a bunch of QoL changes

I honestly don't understand why Sage is concidered bad. ( I personally don't think Sage is good but that's not an actual Sage problem) Sage has more reactive stuff.

Sage is really fun and definitely NOT the worst healer lol

sage is still great. the main reason scholar is so much higher is because week 1 and world first groups picked it to perfectly meet party buff windows for maximum damage. people need to just wait and stop reacting to week 1/2 logs it's getting so fucking annoying

I don't savage, and I love sage lol

As an ilvl 630 healer main who has all four healers lvl 90....I don't know how tf y'all play Sage and like it. It's healing abilities are subpar and its shielding abilities shield for far less than Scholar. But perhaps that's what y'all like about it. I can tell you right now that AST's and SCH's healing and shielding are so powerful that it may make for boring and slow play. You don't necessarily need to do much, so you can focus on dpsing. SGE on the other hand practically requires rapid non-stop button pressing just to keep your party members up and bearly alive. But that doesn't mean that it's balanced or "good." It just means you're having to do significantly more work just to break even compared to the other healers. Sure, almost all of Sage's abilities are instant cast, but that also doesn't make it a good thing. If you like that sort of thing, then more power to you. If Sage is your aesthetic, then right on! Play and do what you love. But Sage is absolutely not for me. I consider it the worst of the healers presently. My ranking would be: AST > SCH > WHM > SGE.

It’s funny that the devs wanted to kill the Meta and they did in shadowbringers only for the Meta to return in Endwalker 😂 also sage isn’t bad but sch is definitely way ahead in shielding. The buff to holos isn’t enough. Sage needs allot more to compete with scholar. Kardia isn’t enough either as it’s just heals one person whereas sch faery can heal anyone. In 7.0 sage will definitely need allot of retooling. Because right now sch has killed it.

Lol scholars have 4 times as many clears because it has been out way longer.

I have given up on healing altogether. The fact that sage is played less than scholar does not surprise me, as it's designed to just be an easier version of scholar with instant but weaker barriers. It was meant to be a damage oriented healer but it completely fell flat. It still has the degenerate braindead 1 button rotation as all the others. It's not allowed to be different, so the gameplay sucks dick and is completely thoughless. I'd rather not have gotten a new healer at all tbh. They wasted dev resources on creating this junk when those dev resources could have been used improving the gameplay of the already existing healers.