Saints Row (2022) | Who Was This Made For? 

Hey dude.How’s your day

Also, an you do a video about saints row 2?

Please don't start your videos with earrape in future. That's really annoying.

And taking the piss out of Bethesda with micro-transactions and fallout currencies even Jim Boon knew this game will be trash by adding dumpster diving for trash saints row this is not larping sound like an disease

The game was made for 12 year olds using ESG ratings and creatively bankrupt writers, developers and idiotic corpos. More modern day woke PC garbage.

Don't lie to yourself. We both know even the devs don't want to play their own.... "Game"

Exactly. The characters act more like employees than gangsters.

More like it was made for twitter

The devs and people that spend their lives on Twitter 24/7 365

I wouldn’t say the devs as much as the department heads and/or the owners of Volition. Clearly this game was a case of a project lead or someone at the very top shooting down any actual talent and insight in order to push in their own awful perception of what they think we want. With the development heads straight up lying in press releases before the actual retail release, I have a feeling it was directly their responsibility. I have no doubt there were likely a lot of great and talented devs fighting every step of the way, until they either got fired or were silenced.

When you try to please everybody and wind up pleasing nobody.

If they offended everybody that would atleast make it memorable nobody is gonna remember this

@@magicman3163 Id argue its gonna be remembered alrite, but not for the intended reasons...

@@magicman3163 Do you remember the last fart you smelled you smelled? Probably not. That's the kind of offense he's talking about. lol

What's even more ironic is that this game was made for an audience that isnt interested in playing it. They promoted this game and released it and expected people to buy it knowing full well the people they made it for weren't gonna play it.

But for that change they would need some sick trauma, probably Carlos's death level of trauma

@@hg7299 idk they could have killed the cat or something, i mean it would probably suck still but it would still be better than what the cat does in the base game

We have caps 🤷🏽‍♂️

@@huntersmith2355 they killed neenahs car 😂

@@Rachebart you know what, you are right i completely change my mind this game is perfect and the cat's the best

That’s the issue with Saints Row now, it doesn’t know how to have a scene like that anymore. You don’t have to turn into GTA to have a little drama

Saints row 2 was definitely the best entry of the series. Perfect balance between a serious plot and the Franchise's goofy element. Wouldn't mind having it remastered with updated game play mechanics.

@@dike174 if volition remasters Saint Row 2, I can die happy. As long as they don't fuck it somehow.

@@dike174 tbh I felt that was too serious. I thought burying the kid alive was a little too fucked up

@@ashh1881 No, we can't trust them to touch the other games until they redeem themselves from this, especially Saints Row 2

There last game agents of mayhem was a complete flop too just shows there narcissism

Unless they're being paid insane amounts by some kind of woke entity, that they still come out with profit

my theory: games are bad now because real nerdy developers leave big companies and now the company just wants diversity instead of quality or competence

@@darkguy300 this is an insanely stupid "theory"

I think this has nothing to do with agendas, woke or any other conspiracy theory. Simple as the game industry is now so big that any AAA game has to convince investors. This happen a lot before with games for EA or Ubisoft. Now every company have a place in wall street and them this happen.

Its not about student loans and it’s not like they don’t have any criminal background. Kev was part of idols, Neenah was with panteros and boss was doing some side hustles before joining Marshall. Then some events led our group getting in trouble with those 3 fractions so they decided to start their own gang. It’s much deeper than let’s create a gang to pay off student loans like many people present it

@@mateuszmatelski9242 I know, I was just making fun of the video. Also, I turned my brain off playing though the story, and only really paid attention to important plot points. Like forming the Saints, getting fired because the codex was stolen off Marshall, busting out Nahualli from Marshall's prison, that one guy getting shot (forgot his name) after we fought both Panteros and Idols, and Nahualli getting jealous at us for having friends I think?? Idk, like I said, I didn't pay attention to the plot cause I didnt really care. 1 good thing I liked tho was the Notoriety music, that shit slaps!!

@@mateuszmatelski9242 The plot isn’t deep settle down

@@Garybell09 I didn’t say it’s deep, I said it’s deeper than “We have students loans to pay let’s start a gang” and that’s a difference.

@@mateuszmatelski9242 It’s really not much deeper than that it doesn’t deserve to be explained any better the characters are Twitter checkmarks nothing more.

Nah, even Ghostbusters (2016) got pretty positive reviews on the critical side of things. "Saints Row" doesn't even have that.

It feels like Dragon Ball Evolution

The horrifying thing is, you aren't wrong!

@@shcdemolisher if i had an open world game to work on, it would have movement physics like Saints row 2

This is brutally accurate

I wonder what these completely disconneted execs think when the game fails miserably. Is the fault ever their own

The devs are a bunch of Redditors who buy into this stuff 100%

Try adding on they got millions from Epic to keep the game there (Gearbox got 120 million for Borderlands 3) no work just here's millions of dollars keep your game on are store but didn't even give us a $10 discount they can go f them self's to the moon and back for that trick like Borderlands 3 i'am only playing this Saints Row when it's free.

They should give it away for free if capitalism is so fucking bad as they claim.

​@@taags well, at least in modern condition its fucking bad because it took so long for any incompetent corporation to bankrupt so they have time to shit over all of their (or freshly claimed) IP. Because ESG money. And incompetent leadership still not ones who lose personal money in the end, they have golden parachutes. But its morbidly hilarious how ones preaching about downsides of capitalism is californian hipsters, licked all over by corporations, that hates workers (for voting for Trump and not approving irreversible cruel operations on children that cant give consent) and since 2020 their ideology is state religion of the USA, that is, a country that print international money. Its like high cardinal of catholic church slamming satanism while participating in Black Mass and burning innocent nun at stake for the glory of Dark Lord. Like... yeah, you said some right words i guess, maybe you also do something, considering you have all cards in your hand for this?!

It's so bad that they should pay the fans for torturing themselves playing it

Imagine how infinitely better SR 5 coulda been with the 'find a new home for humanity' ending from Gat Out of Hell. Just.... off the top of my head, you go to the planet. Its already inhabited by dr seuss looking aliens who are total d-bags and shoot you down immediately. You crashland and all your toys get broken except for some guns. Boom. No more super powers. SR 1&2 fans, this is for you. So you come out of the ship, guns blazing and fight off the aliens. Then, you proceed to declare yourself the new alien overlord of their world, before kicking the enemy general in his glarbnaks. Thats for you, SR 3&4 fans. But what if... you know... the game was actually good? Deep lore dive and gameplay boost, some of the gear that survived the crash was from Ultor corp. A floppy dildolition hammer that you can use to break all buildings down. Red Faction Guerilla fans, this is for you. So.... thats the game. You get a new planet and have to conquer it piece by piece, all while demolishing military assets, replacing them with fast food joints, arcades and stores, exposing the aliens to earth culture and cheeseburgers. You begin to win over the population, with the end goal being the overthrow of the alien government so that the alien citizens can enjoy pizza, classic 90's music and phub. One addendum, if you aren't sold on the idea. An alien buddy who joins the saints. He's basically Jar-Jar Binks, falls in love with weed and Freckle-Bi*ch's burgers and becomes the dedicated base couch-potato and comic relief in as many offensive joke bits as possible. "You almost crashed into a black hole on the way here? Wow. Didn't know you liked Keith David like that...." Aaand... thats the game. You can even spice it up with *good* side activities, paying homage to series staples. Zero-G insurance fraud anyone? Maybe the aliens are having a china-esque policy on population control and they mate by buk*ake. So, to 'stick it to the man' you drive a tanker truck full of splooge to a women's rights rally, and hose them down ala septic truck style. A few alien babies are born black, because Pierce thought it'd be funny to 'add his own boys' to the mix. Then he goes to get milk. *That.* That's a freakin' Saint's Row game. 😏

@@Volyren Let's call it Demon Streets for copyright reasons and make an Indie game out of it lmao

@@Volyren goddamn i want to play this!

@@Volyren lets call that game Saints Row: Deploying Up Uranus

It’s because corpo idiots at the higher ups used ESG ratings and made the game for a group of people on Twitter with no disposable income.

Devs like these often forget that the broke students audience cant afford anything but f2p games.

It's fitting, because the game itself feels like a middle aged man saying "how do you do, fellow kids."

​@@cormoran2303 yep

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@@chewcab8008 Nah most devs are middle class at best. The sad thing is they would very likely kowtow to the millionair's agenda to keep their job, peer pressure and the overwhelming influence these millionairs have in their local culture.

There are people so desperate to play something saying stuff like "so what game isnt buggy"

My philosophy is if you want to fix it later, I’ll buy it later. For 70% off. On G2A. If you don’t have enough respect for your customers to deliver a finished product, I don’t have enough respect to give them my money.

Trust me I am done with that mentality too. Even when the game cost $60 at launch it will automatically disqualify it for making a purchase. Not even worth the hassle.

I never buy a game unless it's 12 months old now ,and games that release this poorly I'm never buying see cp2077

It's a excuse that work only for games with deep and complexes mecaniques that takes time to really test in depht It's fine when it's from a Strategy-game, It's problematic when it's just a TPS or a FPS

Oml like how every commercial tries to appeal to the younger crowd by making raps but it just comes off as corny

you mean "how do you do, fellow kids?"

@@RojoTrueShinobi yes! I remember seeing a cringe video on old people owning furniture stores with sideways hats and 'rapping' XD

@@RojoTrueShinobi HELL NAH FUCK THOSE

@@RojoTrueShinobi I'm a peanut bar and i'm here to say, your checks will arrive on another day

It would be... but the devs, knowing the game was crap, suckered Tim Sweeney into buying all the copies.

@@cormoran2303 you think that'll help them make their money back ?) I doubt it :3

The only character I remember is neenah because she takes up 50% of the game and she seems to be the least cringy, still cringy.

Well if it comes to steam. I wonder they will ever fix the game problems. Aside from the story. A big highly doubt so.

@@buburbasi3983 August 2023

It was originally planned as a DLC, it is largely SR3 under the hood.

True words.

Considering a certain person had a say in it. Anita.......

OH MY GOD YES

@@MikeTheEnforcer bro it's been over a decade since she was relevant get over it

@@gwabafett That venomous bitch is STILL trying to be relevant and failed MISERABLY at it. Good for her bwehaAHAHAHAHA!!

Dane fogel is at least smart enough to let the gangs do the dirty work for him

Isnt it Dane Vogel? Normally I wouldnt grammar nazi in youtube comments but the fact that 2 people has used the spelling Fogel makes me wonder if I am wrong.

@@zachorryy If it's a German surname the V would be pronounced F so that might be what's causing the confusion.

Sr2 is 1000x better at critiquing capitalism then the reboot

That's because SR2 had something to say about it. The reboot is just a bunch of millennials parroting r/antiwork or whatever

Nicely said 👍🏻

And no boss fights practically the other saints row games had boss fights at least.

In this generation we are not going to get the stuff we grew up everything is watered down and trying not to hurt feelings

@@noahoverton9580 Truth. I can't remember the last time I watched a new show/film or played a new game for more than 15 mins before getting sick of it and going back to old stuff.

@@noahoverton9580 its literally the latest gens. I finally understand why old people hate everything.

Yeah, maturing out as the game goes on. Shows up a childish personality and the characters starts growing out as actual "professional" gangster. Instead, we got electric Boogaloo Netflix gat, kinzie and pierce

@@d4n617 *gay fairy Pierce and mexican Kinzie

Kinda sounds like a breaking bad light

Yeah, that's really how they should started and even if they did the same 4 hipsters instead, at least the story could've save the game I can think of these 4 getting in severe debt after "the boss" got fired and, as a final resource they decided to steal from the Panteros gang since Dollar store Kenzie worked for them (an inside job) They steal a recipe for a certain new substance and they got shirtless cook it and the other guy it's put in charge to sell it while the nahual (they guy they captured on the tutorial) teach all of them the ropes of the crime life as a thanks for taking him out of prison They make hit jackpot and hinder the Daft Punk followers in their main source of money: Illicit substances. Now they have the Panteros and these cult guys wanting them, yet the "new Saints" pull through and finish the rival gangs, making now Marshall Corp go straight for them just for the purple menace to win And then you kinda leave the end as it is. Nahual betrays the boss not because "I want your life and friends" but he wants to take over the empire he helped build to return to his old glory as a crime lord

Seeing as the city's partially based on Vegas, I think an Italian mob for one of the gangs could've worked, but I guess that wouldn't have fitted the happy-go-lucky tone of this game.

and you have to bear in mind ride to hell actually broke a lot. finishing it wasn't just a matter of dealing with boredom but, persisting through a horribly broken mess.

A bad, horribly buggy mess of a game is always more interesting than a boring and mediocre game.

...wow...just...wow... ... usually reviewers quit because they're bad at games, but here they quit OUT OF BOREDOM? Ho. Lee. SHIT.

Now there’s a game I haven’t heard in a while.

Who knew there will ever be a game as bad as Ride to Hell

Which people tho

Certified Twitter moment

And it's getting shat on on Twitter. 🤣

Bots don't play games, it turns out.

@@cardedmaster5393 The journos/ checkmarks and people with their pronouns in their bios.

I knew this was gonna suck before it was even announced. Never trust a company that "goes back to its roots".

For real. I saw the trailer and was like... so its an exaggerated version of everything that sucks about Ubisoft games but without effort to at least make it look good. Like they were trying to outdo them witn worse protagonists than Watchdogs 2. Narcissist kids can't get their mom to drop them off at the antifa riot? Thats all you got? Hold my poorly rendered beer.

@@xotl2780 yea every company that says that never does

@@xotl2780 heh, they never back to their roots. Volition is ashame of its own francise.

amd gave me the game, still someone feel like a got screwed on it

💀

Retcon the reboot.

@@exalted_space9224 Saints Row 4 said itself, reboot leads to death, they knew it to, doh.

Just make Saints Row 5 and forget about the reboot.

@@dreadnaught2448 honestly, Saints Row 4 literally had an Alien invasion and Gat out of hell made Hell canon So why couldn't they just have said there's a multiverse and Saints Row 5 is an alternate timeline where Saints Row 4 didn't happen and we continue on from 3. That way Saints Row 4 is still canon but they can also tone back how stupidly silly GooH was and 4

You were a decade late, dude. This started since 2012.

@@LunaticLK47 Seems even worse past few years though

Its sad that nowadays we have access and technology, and HD quality, only to play or watch trash like this.

@@Kabooooom670 they’re still a decade late either way. It’s like they found out this information literally yesterday :V, that or maybe they’re just some kid growing up and expanding their taste in games

@@Gonzas97 technology and Hd Quality is what mainstream media and every cooperation cares about the most lol

They couldn't even bring back the old VA's for the Boss. Did you really expect them to get Keith David?

They were never getting Keith David or Terry Crews lol

Funnily enough - that was original pitch for SR2. In their 10'th anniversary stream, couple of people from Volition went on to explain that original SR2 was meant to take place in 70's, and it'd explore relations between Julius and Ben King. This steemed from the fact that SR1 was supposed to end very differently - Julius was never meant to be the traitor. Originally, he was supposed to be running through the alleyway, all bloodied, indication being he escaped police captivity. But, animators saw that pitch, and they didn't really want to animate him running (laziness at it's finest), so they went with him overlooking the boat and looking at his watch.

So your brilliant plan is to make a fun game people want to buy and make a bunch of money as well? That’s not how modern American entertainment works these days.

@@bliczb8772 irony that laziness made Saints Row 2, which is un ironically best crime sim ever made

Or couples cuddling on benches, people handing out fliers, or even crime that just occurs spontaneously.

Playing today and within 5 minutes: 1) A barbershop quartet, who sang a full song 2) A streaker, screaming random BS 3) Guy with some kind of skydiving equipment on, falls out of the sky into the graveyard right onto someone else Made in 2008. What a game.

The NPC nodes are back in this game.

Somehow it's even more downgraded than SR3 pedestrians. Like seriously, that game was already a downgrade from the second one.

I'm playing SR 2 and I see sooo much action going on. The pimps, saints, and cops keep going at it, I saw cheerleaders practicing cheers, the npc's would taunt me or cheer for me, and it's just so fucking AWESOME! Though, it keeps crashing on me and I don't know how to fix it. 😅😕

Didn't you know? Animals are far superior to humans in morals. I mean, hyenas will rip the colon out of a deer while it's still alive but all animals are innocent! 🤷‍♂

Imagine thinking that Saints Row needed to take itself more seriously & be infused with needless political stances, right bro? Lol. It’s crazy what some devs think are good ideas these days.

“Wrong time, wrong place, dog.” Most real line from the original Saints Row. Even with all the rest of crass dialogue.

That's why I'm worried about the SH2 remake, the whole series has misogynistic tones through all of them and really don't want it being resurfaced to the woke

@@nickypoundtown9568 Silent Hill isn't remotely misogynistic. Having themes about sexuality mixed with violence and abuse isn't the same as misogyny. SH is one of the best series' in terms of being intelligent in its depiction of female characters, especially the third game (a milestone in terms of female characters).

@@EndOfSmallSanctuary97 Yes but that will be easily confused with 'needing modernised

@@EndOfSmallSanctuary97 I think the word he meant was ‘themes’ not ‘tones’. A hostile monster in the shape of a dingy blood soaked bed named “Father” that attacks by restraining the player- yeah that is practically the definition of “thematic misogyny”.

Honestly outlast & silent hill are already similar in some ways so It would be more fitting than this saints row turned Fortnite thing.

I recently finished SR2 again and at the moment I'm playing SRTT and I agree with everything you said. I feel like the third game was a perfect balance between crazy and serious while the first two games were too serious and fourth game I feel like they went too far with the aliens and superpowers

Oh they interacted. With those groups that replaced clapping with waving your hands because clapping might trigger someone...

...and Twitter

It’s like they have only seen the barest hints of “zoomer” culture and mixed it with caricatures created by millennials. Then it was faxed to someone else, but the fax machine was low on ink so the end result was a mess that appealed to nobody. Nobody I know talks like they do. And even if I support getting out from under middle managers and college debt… the people are just so insufferable

or on twitter.

You mean outside of reddit

Yeah, and then they went on to fight Aliens, Go To Hell and wacky gangsters. Saints Row isn't GTA, it really doesn't need to be deep, there's a reason why Volition said fuckit and made SR3 the way it is, crazy and over the top and that became the series identity.

@@dawoodwilliams3652 Nah the series identity is the 2nd and 3rd game that's when it was at it's peak and the fan's overwhelmingly agree on this after the 3rd saints they went way to wacky and away from the roots which where wacky still but also with a much more serious tone and they went away from the serious tone and went ball's deep in the wacky and now it's lost it's identity and is pandering to the Twitter crowd and sucks.

@@dawoodwilliams3652 GTA and... deep? Hell, compared to GTAV any Saints Row game in the series is deep as Mariana Trench

It was about keeping their family together. You missed that part.

@@hg7299 Rockstar really jumped the shark with GTA V. It really is the Saints Row III of the series, even though I don't think it was trying to be. It's just so wacky and ungrounded compared to _any_ of the previous GTAs.

Indeed. With health bars come sponginess, and the unrealistic damage that comes with that. A headshot, what's that? He's still got a health bars so he's good

I like kevin, hes okay.

Tbh the only one that I don’t like is Eli so far I mean Kevin seems pretty chill from as much as I played

The main characters look like they’d all get bullied in school

@@02baby_ and deserve it.

I hated Kevin the moment he tweeted about the Saints new hideout, he basically told the whole world and their rivals where they are. It’s called a HIDEout for a reason. If this was the old playa/Boss from 1/2 they would have blown Kevin’s brains out. Eli is just Steve Urkel at this point. Neenah is slightly more tolerable as she is more badass then they are.

Yeah, apparently...but as someone who didn't play/love the SR series for the story/characters, I enjoyed the reboot much more than I thought I would. 3 remains the worse game in the series by a large margin for me. 4 went off the rails, but at least it was fun. Aside from a few neat set pieces in missions in 3, the game was even more "soulless" than the reboot, along with the worst map... Obviously bugs aside, I like the reboot more than 3&4. But that's just me personally as a SR1/2 diehard. Guess a SR2 remake is just a pipedream, as Violation just wants to forget the GOAT they made never existed. ☹

@@SeaOfVomit one major complaint I have is just how short it is though I do enjoy the vtol you unlock at the end

Like what the sequels did with star wars! Made the original and prequel fans realize that those stories were good/better then what they thought.

Thank you, I thought I was the only one who felt like that. That's like if my entire identity was revolving around being a "white Cis male". How shallow does one have to be to think that way?

They can’t do anything else but be proud I mean they still get paid whether the game does good or not at this point, but if they cave in to the game being absolutely garbage then that hurts their reputation and as we can already see their moral standings, they will learn in the end when the game has more returns and reshelfs than any game this year and then those devs won’t be hired again or replaced

@@RojoTrueShinobi Good riddance.

These people got trophies in school for finishing last and told they were just as super as the top 3 🤦‍♂️

Yep

They never wanted to make a Saint's Row game in the first place, they wanted to make Agents of Mayhem 2....so basically they wanted to make a game in a generic, already dead since 2018 genre.

It's not just the leads. Most of the people that worked at Volition back in the day no longer work there. It's Volition by name only, not the actual developers.

@@Largentina. This new team doesn't deserve to use the name and logo of Volition, a company that had the balls to be violent, over the top, fun and compelling, all at the same time with a great collection of games It's sad to see another great company and franchise loosing it's identity just to please a loud minority

Pretty sure the writers for this one are also new and haven't written for a saints row game before

@@belowaverage3451 You don't say?

@@belowaverage3451 I'm pretty sure they haven't SEEN a Saints Row game before.

Haha! "Looked and sounded like people that Pierce would bully" is so wonderfully harsh, yet fair. I love it.

I honestly was hoping Johny gat would kill them or blow them up and then the actual boss would be there and crack a joke

@@shwembo that would of been amazing but also glad that it didn't in a way because of the fact that not only is the story not so great but the open world elements are incredibly terrible especially with lack of features that any open world game should have

@@shwembo A lot of people were hoping for that.

Oh no...... LMFAO

At least that was funny

How tf can you mess that up? In other SR games, the Saints were never seen as heroes. They were always just as bad as the other gangs.

@@TheChosenMoose01 The mayor literally calls the Saints "heroes" for preventing STAG from blowing up the Steelport statue in SR3.

Out of the all cold-blooded and sociopathic things the Saints have done-shoving Shogo into a coffin and burying him alive in a graveyard, making Maero crush his own girlfriend with his monster truck, stealing people's cars and taking them to chop shops-shooting an innocent lawyer just because he's giving them unpleasant news is the most inexcusable thing. Like you said, it just doesn't fit with the "Saints-as-working-class-heroes" theme.

Also, aside from the meta-irony in a full price AAA game that pushes aggressive monetization with a plot about how bad capitalism is, The Food Truck sidequest where you fight the evils of big corporations stomping on the little guy through underhanded means by funneling a bunch of dirty money through a fast food place to turn them into a big food conglomerate by stealing from the smaller food truck vendors has pretty much no self awareness.

@@AidenRKrone The boss in SR2 literally shot a surrendering cop while saving Johnny in the 2nd mission. He's not supposed to be a good person.

To be fair, that issue is a pretty common one in saints row 2. I know because im replaying the series and it happened to me four times lol

Insurance fraud was a blast in every previous Saints Row game. One of my favorite minigames of all time, really. It figures they didn't get it right this time.

@@DetectiveMekova but to be fair saints row 2 had good characters and a compelling storyline with a proper sense of humor, you know actually fun.

It isn't a trilogy, Saints Row IV (4) exists. This dumpster fire isn't a Prequel, it is a reboot.

Saints Row 4 is pure action all the way through same with SR3 but more grounded

How the Saints Save Christmas is better than this whole damned reboot.

I wouldnt go that far...

Chill SR4 is still worse

@@oliverislost SR4 is an actual fun game, this reboot is garbage.

Next they turned Reddit into a game

Exactly. Saints Row 2 struck a great balance between silliness and seriousness. While you can be dresses in a hotdog suit while you mercy-kill Carlos, it's still an emotional and important moment. Meanwhile when you're flinging liquid poop at everything you don't even kill the cops, just leave them drenched in feces.

Or someone I and the Stilwater PD would turn into roadkill during SR2's FUZZ.

That's red dead redemption 2 plot right there

@@SparrowPlays. A payday loan robbery? what?

@@en4135 No, what you said about the game. "The player and their group bounce between honorable outlaw and outright sociopath at such a rapid pace, making it look like any other faction is a minor antagonist" except red dead did it on purpose, lol

I believe we just call that Ludo-Narrative dissonance

@@bag-manbaron2547 Not really. In this case it's a very clear case of morally-skewed individuals writing the story. Someone taking offense is more horrible than mass-murder in their eyes, because those they kill are retroactively non-persons. Like declaring that the children you blew up with a bomb were retroactively enemy combatants. These people don't just have acceptable targets, they have a rationalizing tool that allows them to declare anyone an acceptable target after the fact.

@@WhiteManOnCampus When you put it like that sure, but I don't see it as "2022 morality" like the op said since most sane people clearly see this as insane and making no sense

It's insane. How are words more violent than actions now? You cant call someone faggy but you can go on a killing spree? We are so morally bankrupt lol.

@@bag-manbaron2547 When he says "2022" morality, I think he means "twitter" morality.

The team that made the original Saints Row games does not exist anymore. As the decades went by, people retired, got new jobs, got fired, passed on, etc. However, companies are essentially greedy and can't survive without consumers, so they play the hands that they've played before.

@@xotl2780 True, but it's sad that talent is more and more rare these days, you'd think that as people retired new people could also come up with brilliant new games, not even talking about new IP's since that's "risky" for big corporations and we can't have that, I mean that even sequels are huge piles of garbage

The reason this constantly happens occurs for two main reasons. 1. The people in hollywood hate you and everything you enjoy 2. These people are also terrible writers

Because developers would rather push political agendas than actually give the fans what they want. Hence the poor criticism

It could happen in 3 and 4 due to hardware limitations; it didn't only happen in insurance fraud. People vanished too. But not like this.

That eagle was so perfectly timed.

Let us know after you experiment

Better late than never 👍

I got Re-elected for 6-7 Euros a while back, and I'm loving it. The Reboot looks like 80% of modern games: Corporations trying to push political narratives to appeal to people who are just on social media all day

Yeah but at the same time it made you feel like the good guys, not because what you were doing was right, but because we were connected to those characters and we wanted them to succeed, this new saints row isn’t even a saints row, it’s like someone else said, the characters in this game are the kind of people the old characters would bully.

They were the best of a bad lot. Yeah they were villains but holy hell, you see these other guys?

@@palladiamorsdeus it’s like one of my favorite video game character’s quotes: “we’re bad men but we ain’t them.”

@@palladiamorsdeus 100%

Maybe for saints row 3 and 4

The ludo-narrative dissonance is even worse in TLOU2, since attempting to spare surrendering enemies always results in them pulling out a hidden weapon and attacking you from behind. The game literally teaches you that always finishing off your enemy is the correct thing to do and punishes you for attempting otherwise, and then pulls "Cycle of violence bad, show mercy" out of its ass at the end. (I genuinely think TLOU2 is a pretty good game, but it certainly has some issues with its writing.)

Ludo narrative dissonance can be pretty interesting, when its done intentionally for the plot and psychological affect. Issue is most of the time its just a result of braindead writing.

This was not ludonarrative dissonance, it was Ellie being stopped by Abby's "writer's pet" armor.

@@J-BiRTH I think that's because they wanted to tell a specific story, I think they expected most players to execute those npcs, rather than spare them

@Zack Smith in what way?

Sadly, most people will buy games ASAP so they can play it or review it.

@@TheChosenMoose01 At least reviewers get something out of it, either new subs, fun trash talking how bad it is when live or some cash to pay for the game etc. I can understand that. I can't even remember the last western 'AAA' game I played in the first month, let alone pre-order! I do remember downloading the Andromeda demo and meanwhile watching reviews. Didn't even let the demo finish downloading. I'm glad my old GFX card was way too old to play Cyberpunk smoothly at decent graphics, else I would've pre-ordered it. Witcher 3 was such a delightful game. That sure woke me up!

I finally tried Cyberpunk and it's in a pretty decent state now. It doesn't live up to the pre release hype but it's a fun game on it's own merit.

@@qwqwqwqw99 Yeah I'm looking forward to finally playing it after that Phantom update comes out. It pays to wait.

I'm only paying 5 bucks for this trash after/if it's ever "fixed" that is

They all but admitted they hated the original games.

That still doesn't sound that great.

They kill off all these characters in the end and I'd probably pay 60$ just to see that... Tragic for whoever the hell wanted this crap but a nice comedic reward for me

The worst hardship this new crew goes through is Neenah's car gets trashed. They couldn't even kill any of the saints.

Or hell, they cause so much damage that the national guard is called in, and the 4 are gunned down by the military/FBI in a huge raid with no chance of survival. All the other gangs surrender and the city finally see's peace.

I won’t front them on that one, just because it’s supposed to be the start of the Saints, establishing a proper name and rep would come first, then taking over later, it’s just their plot in general is fucking awful, it’s all over the place, it doesn’t even explain why there are separate gangs or in depth about them, it goes from sci-fi all out action to comedic and not serious at all, and the objective isn’t too clear, these devs just suck and should’ve listened to the fan base

@@RojoTrueShinobi I will front of them on that one, remember saints row 2? we had missions that weren't connected to the story, "strongholds" you took them out to take a turf, but we also had story tied turf, Not to mention once you kill a gang leader...nothing really happens, it makes almost no difference, the gang still wonders around even after you take the turf from them, what ever happened to taking the gangs turf, killing all the leaders and the gang falls apart after killing almost all of them?

How were the strong holds not connected to story? There were mandatory to finish the gang off and actually make sense as a strong hold could be “destroy this drug lab Therefor reducing the gangs income” and yea of course they still walk around until you take over all the areas. The saints did the same when their leader was killed

@@nostalgiaholic4874 you misunderstand by "story tied" meaning, you can't take that turf at all unless you do a story mission, strongholds unlocked by doing story missions, but they themselves were not full of cutscene story filled.

That was the same in 3 and 4 though