@@r.pizzamonkey7379 Sam Raimi's Aunt May was perfect and Rosemary captured the character perfectly from the comics. Aunt May now doesn't even look like a Aunt.
@@camlucas4623 well yeah presumably he didn't know what Harry was doing so why not let his legacy live on on for harry it was only after he saw what his hatred for spiderman did to harry that he told the truth
“Why the f-k do the robot arms want to finish the fusion reactor, what do they care?” As Ock pointed out, that’s the reason they were built and programmed, it’s literally the only thing they care about
I feel so honored to be able to come back to this video 4 years after it was released and finally say that I fall into the category of depressed alcoholic college student
It seems strange to call out Harry turning away from the conversation between Peter and his father. He explains it himself shortly after: "He pretty much wants to adopt you" Harry didn't check out bc he was a sim. He checked out bc he had nothing to contribute to their conversation and his jealousy was making him uncomfortable. That's a pretty consistent part of his character.
@@isaacmartinez2359 damn dude he wrote a pretty good explanation for one scene in a movie, not even pouring his heart out for this defence, he's not being paid shit (I apologise I'm getting paid to defend this guy)
@@Aryan-qv5qk you can make up reason all you want, just like how I can make up reasons on what they could have had Harry do instead of mentally check out - Say “ill catch you inside” - Wave to friends and join them - Say bye to his father and let him talk to Peter - have a teacher call his name My point, as well as the video’s in making this off hand comment is that Harry is not need for the scene. He serves no purpose other than to make a way too formal introduction for a new character, which you could have done and then promptly leave the screen so he doesn’t take up room in the frame, or just be there on set as long in general. Is this an egregious sin? No. It’s more likely just a result of the script not taking into consideration how it would look in person for this conversation to have happened. It’s a trivial joke to make fun of the movie for. Which is why I found it weird that someone would go out of their way to defend when there are plenty of other points for someone to make about this semi-critique video. I find that Rami fans always do this, they often defend points that don’t need to be defended because they are just facts about how the movies are. They’ll get mad about others pointing out how corny the movie can be despite later saying that it is the appeal for them.
My favorite part of this review is that it triggered so many people that Cosmonaut still gets comments calling him a disney shill on almost every Spider-Man review of his to this day almost 5 years later. That's the kind of engagement money can't buy
I mean I don't know if he's any of those things, I just think some of his critiques are bad and almost approaching a cinemasins video level of criticism quality.
@@Asiniesi mean this video is basically bait anyway its funnier to read some of the raimi fans in the comments going apeshit than to rewatch the video
I mean he gets points completely wrong. Like mad that Aunt May didn’t automatically forgive Peter after saying “Im responsible for what happened too”. That’s his most egregious one. That and misremembering scenes (Peter wasn’t walking to school he was going after MJ after see dad berrated her). And he uses all this as evidence of the “new” (aka Disney) movies are better. Anyone can make a bad review to bait people into getting mad, but that doesn’t somehow mean the mad people are wrong.
I agree with Marcus. I fucking love these movies _because_ of how corny and cheesy they are, and how they don't take themselves too seriously. I feel like they perfectly capture the feel of the Spiderman comics - just non-stop campy fun with moments of quote-on-quote "serious" dialogue that in retrospect sounds corny and is tonally consistent with the rest of the story.
Because he’s straight up wrong at some points. His whole “aunt may is a jerk” part is literally missing all the context of the scenes he talks about lol. When he says she’s a dick, the scene he shows in the background is legit her giving Peter money when her house is about to be foreclosed
I watched these films when i was 6, i watched them again now that im 24, they aren't any worse and they're just as good as i remember. In fact i like Spider-Man 2 a lot more now than i used to.
Fun fact: Sam Raimi didnt want to put Venom in the movie at all and was super against it but the studio literally told him they would have someone else make the movie if he didnt do it. So, Raimi intentionally picked the least scary and least fitting actor he could possibly find for Venom lmao.
He didn’t necessarily pick him because he’s the least scary actor to play the role, he just didn’t really get into the later comics with venom in them, he said he didn’t understand the character, so he did his own take, a guy that sort of mirrors Peter and easily could of been how Peter had turned out if he had a different upbringing and set of morals.
@@jarrav8186 I said he did his own take.. I never said anything about how venom actually is.. what I’m saying is look at Sam raimi’s Eddie Brock, he’s sort of a lot like Peter Parker in a way except he clearly has a different moral compass, and no one like aunt may or uncle Ben to teach him what’s right, it doesn’t get to be explored as much as it could of due to all that’s going on in the movie(the same can be said about all the villains and their subplots)
Thank you, lol had me rereading my comment wondering where I said anything like that lol (he deleted his comment, so there’s no context to what this comment is anymore lol)
I think we have to remember that these movies are based off of comics. The campiness works. The movies back then had the heart & soul of the comics with the campiness included. Now it seems like they are made on an assembly line using a formula. They’ve lost the campiness too…and replaced it with bad jokes.
It doesn’t always work though that’s what he’s saying. It’s so distracting at sone points you forget some scenes should be tense, it can get to be way too much through this series and it didn’t work 100%
It's not campy because it's based off the comics, it's campy because that's just Sam Raimi's style. He's always been known for making silly low/mid budget movies
The point of the video is to address the short comings of the films, even if he finds them enjoyable. I like them too, but they just don't stand up to The Dark Knight, Infinity War, Homecoming, and Into the Spiderverse
Looking back at it now, it was really weird when Uncle Ben talked about how with great power comes great responsibility, but then went on to have a five-minute rant about the white man's burden before finally dying. I guess it really was a different time.
Why should he be right? He literally just commented that the things that were placed for peter's heroic development are bad only because they are treating peter bad??? I mean what??????? Then I should say that godfather is bad only because Michael Corleone is treaten like shit right? Such a waste of time of a review.
hitop would wreck him because many of this guys points just literally dont make any sense..... hes missing the point of so much shit idk how much longer i can listen to this. hitop ive found is a way better critique and provides real insight on the movies
While I agree that the Raimi films are overrated, their portrayal of Uncle Ben knocked it out of the park. It was almost pathetic watching Amazing Spider-Man try to redo the character by just making him angry all the time and making his death scene laughable.
Someone please tell me how J.K. Simmons and Willem Defoe were better cast to play their comic book characters than freaking Tobey Maguire as Spider-Man.
I can explain the back to formula bit. The general tells him he has two weeks to have a successful human trial or the federal funding will be pulled, which could cause serious financial damage to the company. Going "back to formula" basically means they need to return to a pre-animal trial stage.
Spider-Man 2: Mary Jane leaves her fiance to be with Peter Spider-Man 3: Mary Jane leaves Peter to be with Harry Osborn Peter: *Surprised Pikachu face*
@jimmy just jeremy Peter wasn't there for her. Just like everything else in his life he put the city above his own priorities. She deserved better, even if he was a good man. Sometimes things just don't work. It's selfish to expect a woman to stay loyal to a man she never sees, one who seems to have no investment in her life. Peter in many ways rejected Mary Jane before she cut it off. He was the one who wasn't loyal. These are the realities of adult life.
@@dehlanshandirkayr6182 I don't agree. Relationships should be more solid. I just thing that circumstantially she looks like a ho because two relationships in a row didn't work for her.
I’m surprised how much this comment section has calmed down. Honestly thought it would be getting those stupid ass spam comments till the end of RU-vid.
just rewatched this trilogy after spider verse, and it still a really good spidey story. then uncle ben moments hit every time we see peter having to his relations and well being for the sake of the city it hits home. even the minimal dialogue is effective. i find this version of peter to be the most realsitic version an awkward nerd who only has his aunt his best friend and gf as a social circle, struggles to work and do college while being spidey and bears it all.
Me and my friend have been going to the new AMC theatrical re releases of the Spiderman movies (they’re currently doing Tobey’s trilogy, then Andrew’s, the finishing with Tom’s) and we feel the exact opposite. We’ve gone to see Tobey’s Spiderman in and 2 thus far (Spiderman 3 is next week) and felt they were better than we remember as kids and actually incredibly soulful movies. We think these feel more like stories while the latest marvel movies feel more like corporate projects or products. They’re simpler than the latest marvel multiverse stuff but somehow tenfold more meaningful in its storytelling. The current marvel stuff feels a little more hollow/sterile. Our takeaways so far upon revisiting at least.
This is EXACTLY what me and my brother have done! Not only did I realize how much I liked Spider-Man 2, but that I love it in a different way now that I'm an adult. As a kid I love the fight on the train scene, as an adult I feel more when the people hold onto him and lift him up. I am glad I'm not alone in this. The problem with this review (or 1 of them) is that it's easy to make fun of something good, it is difficult to praise it.
Seeing this again 5 years later and it's just as funny. every time i rewatch a raimi movie i remember those random background characters or something else you mentioned LOL
This is exactly it. These movies were intentionally campy because they're portraying comic book characters, but there's very subtle character acting in there too to add a touch of realism and relatability to the characters.
In comics spiderman shooted his webs put of his hands If somebody over stresses the Web would the glands come out Because all of our glands are connected Right? Especially the train scene It's like Daredevil can't see but has a eye in his ass Or Tony Stark makes his suits just because his heart can do so Yeah I know it's weird But that's how a comic reader would see the movie
@@gloriousporpoise9731 We don't see it yet or know the details, and Sandman character actually work by story and acting perspective but Sony was fool enough by add Venom/Eddie Brock since the third movie already have stacked character.
@@ban66a1 what I'm saying is that I doubt we would have gotten a vulture as good as Michael Keaton's one as he's one of the superhero film villains in the past decade
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@@ahhhhhhhhhhhh678 just text that gets repeated/remembered by lots of people out of humor, example being the "navy seal" copypasta. You couldve looked it up yourself.
I mean thats what Doctor Otto Octavius did in the comics. His first issue is basically that upon gaining his powers, he held a nuclear reactor hostage to complete his science experiments.
I want you to know that I saw this at work in 2018 and ever since, "snense" (5:21) has remained in my vocabulary, much to the confusion of all my friends
@@MrGoofymcgoo that doesn’t prove anything. First off just cuz something is corny doesn’t mean it’s bad. That’s basically the I don’t like this therefore it’s bad argument which is dumb af. Also just because you like something just cuz you find Tom’s movies better doesn’t mean his movies are good or better. And so are the Raimi moves. What’s your point?
The original Spider Man movie came out the year I was born, and as goofy and ridiculous these films are today, the trilogy holds a very special place in my heart as some of my favorite childhood movies, and probably one of the first films I can remember ever watching
5:47 harrys walking away from his dad because he’s realized that norman doesn’t care about harry or that he’s there so he walks away upset. bro how can u miss that?
The point of Dr. Octopus in the movie is his arrogance. The guy compared himself to Einstein and Edison. The part about him not getting protective gear was on purpose, he couldn’t even imagine his plan failing. And the robotic arms were created to build the machine, so they likely have sort of connection to it. The arms also likely just distort his views, they don’t fully replace his goals and mind. Since Otto likes renewable energy, he will still care about it.
@@mortadelofilemon2086 either copies it or uses bots, because its all separate accounts, but they all use the same sentences. Either way really pathetic to do this under a video of a guy voicing his opinion
@@Hecken_Bruiser tbh at the time I was like 8 and I just assumed he was a prefect or something. I didn't really think much about him, I was more excited to see Spiderman than anything rly
Its just his opinion guys, don't need to go all apeshit lmao, I actually agree with his opinion now that I looked back at these films, they're not that great or perfect like people said they are, I prefer mcu spiderman, my cup of tea, but I ain't trying to disrespect any of you guys either
@@robl0xgamer258 I don't think it's regarded as perfect, a lot of people just prefer it cause of the underlying themes that are in between the bad parts of the film. The themes are highloghted and a lot of people can relate to Peter in these films. MCU spiderman isn't bad, but he seems perfect. He doesn't have to live a life in secret, he doesn't have to divide his identty to save his loved ones from his enemies, I don't even see his identity being figured out in FFH a disadvantage cause a lot of people will look up to him like How Tony was being Iron man. The Raime films were just about a boy making the hard decision in life to keep his loved ones safe.
“So I didn’t like a couple things about this trilogy.” Raimi fans: *sweaty fat reddit kids fuel up there biased machine 2000 trying not to accept the fact that these films are a messy corny sack of shit*
i think maybe the dumbest part of the trilogy is how long it took the butler to come forward. harry would tell anyone that would listen that spiderman killed his dad, and his butler couldn’t be bothered to come forward and say “nah, here’s what happened”
Galaxy_Edge He knows that, he watched the movie. He’s saying that the fact that someone would hold a grudge against someone who he BELIEVES has killed his father isn’t petty.
@@kevaughnhenderson8478 I never asked for it nor complained that it wasn’t in the game. Yes it’s my favorite suit in the game but if i had to choose a movie suit I’d pick tasm2. I prefer the skinner spiderman build and the big lenses. I would never send them death threats.
@Tcb bct it's actually confirmed and well known that the they're team was threatening. I don't how that makes a dumbass. But your the one who seem to be delusional. Now don't go sending death threats now like the rest of the fan base.
Travis Saner nah, raimi movies are cheesy but unintentionally, homecoming and far from home are intentionally comedic because that’s the tone of the MCU
@@WaffleHouseHD Incorrect. All of the cheese in the Raimi movies are done 100% intentionally. Raimi is a HUGE comic book fan and wanted to capture the feel of the older comic books.
I just thought of it while re-watching this, but what if Doc Oc arms want to continue building the fusion reactor because it was their whole point of existence and it was also the main thought that was running through Otto's mind when the chip malfunctioned and the AI and his thoughts first joined
Ok, is he not aloud to think that the newer movies are better. Personally I love the MCU Spider-Man and I don’t really remember the Sam rami movies being that good
@Jim Johnson So true 😂 This can work out. Spider-Man is a HUGE sandbox to play around in. They just have to play their cards right. They should look to Spider-Man, Spider-Man 2, Spectacular Spider-Man, Spider-Verse, and PS4 Spider-Man as their inspiration. They're basically perfect! I don't think Holland should crossover with Venom, because their characters are different ages. Sony should just proceed to have Tom faceoff against the Sinister Six. Sony should release a statement saying Venom takes place in the same universe as The Amazing Spider-Man movies and have Marc Webb return to direct the third one, and then we can have these two characters crossover. Sam Raimi should come back and direct Spider-Man 4, which takes place 10 years after Spider-Man 3 and explores an older and more experienced Spider-Man a lá Logan. Finally, we can have a live-action Spider-Verse with Tobey, Andrew, and Tom; a Sony equivalent to the Avengers. From there we can get Miles Morales, Gwen Stacy, Jessica Drew, Ben Reilly, Miguel O' Hara, and other REALLY INTERESTING SPIDER-CHARACTERS!
(Jim Johnson) People can be fans of characters without screaming like an insane fangirl. I personally love the MCU Spider-Man, though I know it’s less comic accurate than the other movies.
1. Harry would introduce his father by his full name because he's an angsty teen mockingly referring to his FAMOUS scientist father who would always be referred to as such by the press. Likely because he feels like he is in his shadow. 2. "Back to Formula" is likely a euphemism for shelving a project that Osborn considers to be his magnum opus. 3. The "door mat" goes with it because Osborn owns OSCORP. DUH. 4. To describe Spiderman's vigilante efforts as "just beating people up" is laughable obtuse. 5. The initial criticism of Aunt May, like many of the criticism, amounts to taking a clip out of context and saying "isn't this silly" in funny internet man voice. 6. Not defending this films CGI; however, as of 2023, CGI effects in superhero films still look terrible. (The Flash) 7. When critiquing Spiderman's choice between Mary Jain and a container full of innocent people, you say "if this were to happen in a supper hero movie today, there would be public outcry for how silly it is." First, the movie came out in 2002. That would be like criticizing Romeo and Juliet for featuring a forbidden romance because it would be cliche by todays standards. Second, why? As a character, Spiderman frequently struggles to balances what he wants as Peter Parker and his values as a protector of the New York population. Wouldn't exploiting that struggle make the Green Goblin more of a threat? Wouldn't that choice be particularly relevant to the character and serve to illustrate this struggle in dramatic way? You say it's stilly but don't explain why. 8. In the context of the film when accompanied with sound design and appropriate placement in-between breaks in the score, the speech and particularly the "don't tell Harry" line are very impactful. Chopping them down to seconds and adding a laugh track isn't a criticism and says nothing about how they fit within the overall tone. You criticize this film for being dated but after 5 years, this review feels MORE dated. This is a review for babies.
