Just have to wait for monitor manufacturers to actually put a DisplayPort 2.0/2.1 on a device. Good to know AMD future proofed the 7900 XTX for future displays
It is kind of pointless for now. Like thunderbolt 5.0, pcie 5.0, m.2 gen 5, wifi 7.. DP 2.1 is good to have but not actually need to use. 4k 240hz is kind of expensive and not sure if the others manufacture put DP 2.1 on their monitor for this time.
@@phucvo4325 I have a gen5 ssd and two GPU's with enough lanes to handle all 3.... seriously the crucial T700 gen SSD is 20% faster than any other gen5 ssd and my mobo didnt officially support it.
Staying under the 4 figure price bracket is important to buyer psychology, whats a couple hundred more when your already commited to spending over a grand? The 999 price really gave the AIB's nowhere to go.
My sapphire 7900 XTX idles at 29 to 31 degrees. Under load gaming about 60-62 / It's a bad ass card visually as well. I switched from Nvidia back to AMD graphics recently. The 7900XTX is powerful.
@@RTXRetroGonvidia and AMD are basically tied. Or they were before the 4090 came out, overall AMD is better because of the price and extra vram. That's my personal opinion doe
@@RTXRetroGo Ngreedia is better only if you care about RT, DLSS or power consumption. If you don’t care for these Radeon cards are better. I just wish AMD can make FSR equivalent to DLSS.
@@RTXRetroGoI talked to someone who bought a 2080 super about my build (7600X/7800XT) he was surprised I go with AMD. I told him that I had no driver issues, no crash, and get 2K 144 FPS RT psycho, settings ultra on Cyberpunk, he was kinda surprised. I then told him that the game doesn't even guve player anything higher than FSR2.1 meanwhile there's FSR3.1 so he knows the card absolutely destroy any Nvidia card at the same range of price
Sadly the new AMD range isnt wonderfully exciting, so they have limits to what they can do, but I can see this one being in the top 5% if you really wanted a 7900 XTX
@@johnerikson2443 depends on the game. it really comes down to personal preferance and game choice. Lastly AMD is "cheaper" while both cards are ridiculously overpriced..
I've been very happy with my Nitro card too... Getting a very stable 15% overclock with just the Adrenaline software. A ton of other outlets are saying the AIB cards aren't better than the reference (without testing it themselves of course) but that's not my experience. Maybe I got a golden sample though, who knows.
@@MLWJ1993 Ignorant of the facts much? Did you look into why it has such issue? Nvidia GPU also have idle power draw if you connect multiple 4k displays at 240hz. None of the reviewers talk about the overheating, because it's a bug you can easily bypass. If its such a big deal, why aren't more tech channels posting about it like Nvidia's melting cable?
@@dra6o0n We're not even considering the idle power draw here, which is very much a thing that happens on both manufacturers GPUs. That's something I'm not going to deny, I definitely don't appreciate you putting it as if I ever claimed that. What is however an issue is designing a cooler that by design lets memory modules overheat, something that was an issue with Nvidia reference designs for the 30XX series as well. The melting power cables are very much user error it seems, I.E. something that can be avoided by connecting your GPU properly. A not well performing cooling solution however has no real fix outside of replacing it, so long as AMD doesn't offer that, it's as much of a don't buy it advice as it is for reference 30XX GPUs from Nvidia. The problem here is that the better designed AMD GPUs (AIB models) for this generation happen to be seriously marked up to the point that it's no longer even close to MSRP. I.E. as lacklustre in value as Nvidia 40XX GPUs are right now.
@@dra6o0n There're people with stock reference cards experiencing overheating & even shutdowns. Just take a look over at r/AMD. Surely you're not going to be the ignorant one that's calling me ignorant right?
On the plus side, the fan serviceability is a great step towards a design with 3rd party easy replacable slim fans someone might consider manufacturing, and the extra fan connectors for close-by case fans PWM control based of GPU thermals/fan curves might pave a way for more of similar solutions...
@@innocentiuslacrim2290 There was a Noctua edition of some of the 3000 series NVIDIA cards. The lack of 4000 series updates suggests it didn’t do as well as we would hope, unfortunately.
This card gave me no coil whine at all. Maybe some frequencies of my ears are shot, dunno, but@@selohcin so far the 7900xtx has been a beast with no whine or stuttering, working along a Ryzen 9 7900.
@@Hietakissa this card costs 1300 which is more than even the best £1200 ASUS tuf and gaming X trio 4080. So how is it better depsite having only equal raster, 50-60% less Rt in CP, DL2, Witcher 3, worse upscaling, no frame gen, no rtx remix, less efficiency and SIGNIFICANTLY worse vr performance
@@Player7BR if you are talking about a whining sound (ant not just the fans) it's luck based. Even within the exact same model some will have it while other won't.
Funny thing... the coil wine turned out to be from the PSU not the GPU. Only noticed it after I decided to run a test with the PSU on the outside of the case.
Funny thing... the coil wine turned out to be from the PSU not the GPU. Only noticed it after I decided to run a test with the PSU on the outside of the case.
I have a reference powercolor 7900xtx, and it runs and overclocks just like this card does. Hot spots usually don't hit more than 84, but the average hotspot is in the 60s... sometimes low 70 depending on game. I think that the thermals are being blown out of proportion by anti AMD outlets.
Apparently gpu orientation (ie is it horizontal or vertical) and contact pressure are causing most of the hot spot temperature issues rather than the coolers themselves being insufficient.
@@syed2694 I don't doubt peoples' cards are overheating, I just doubt how bad it is based on what news outlets are saying. It's hard to tell. I'm certainly willing to accept it's bad, but I just imagine it's a small percentage of users who will somehow wind up being helped.
Better cooling, better overclocking headroom. Vapor Chamber. Plus a lot quieter than the reference model. It's worth 1200 at the very least. It is hands down the best looking Radeon card I've owned. It was never going to go for 1K was it?
this card took the place of the 4090 in my cart for the next upgrade. I don't feel paying 2k on nvidia anymore. After all my life being faithful to nvidia, its time to say goodbye.
may I correct the error which was made by the tech data reading? It´s not 2x 1.4 Displayports. It´s 2x 2.1 Displayports as you can read in the Sapphire specs on their site
This is why I am leaning toward an AMD card for the first time. The 7900 XTX seems like, from a pure rasterization standpoint, the best card on the market from a price to frame standpoint.
So around 9:16 is that Bios 1 or 2? Because it looks like you're using bios 1 and it's drawing more than 100W extra for 1 to 4 fps increase. To say that it's stupid would be an understatement. Please specify for all benchmarks what bios are you using and if possible I'd like to see the power drawn compared to the reference card. I was about to buy it until I saw this video. I can do without nVidia's DLSS and RT performance but stupid power consumption is where I draw the line. I was fine with 50-60W more than a 4080 but that's insane
I keept it in bios 2 overclocked and undervolted. Power consumption is 390W at max. I get extra extra 10% fps increase when running FurMark with this setup. 109fps in stock bios 2 with 350w power draw to 122fps with 390w.
I do not like the rounded edges of the card. A better looking card, imo was sapphire's 6950XT Nitro + Pure. Of course MSI's SUPRIM is the nicest looking card of all.
The thing with Nvidia is that they dont give their partners enough headroom in terms of pricing. So AIBs are forced to cut corners everywhere to earn at least a little bit from their custom GPUs. That means Nividia cards usually come with lower quality materials and coolers etc. One reason why EVGA quit their cooperation with Nvidia. AMD leaves a lot more headroom in that aspect and AIBs can provide more quality and usually do with proper GPUs.
I wanted this card originally but the price is way too high, if it was around MSRP it would make more sense. People slate the 4080 for it's pricing but the XTX AIB models are proving to be the same price, so I would rather take a 4080 then.
Considering how much power this AIB card will be able to draw with its 500 Watt range during load compared to RTX 4080 FE (around 300 Watt in graphs here), then RTX 4080 will be "cheaper" over time then those 3 x 8 PIN 7900XTX cards. Where I live it is very unlikely that price on electricity will go down within 5 year, so all those high end cards will not only be over priced, but also have a too high cost in usage.
This card wouldn't make sense at MSRP at all. It's more expensive to make than the reference model (just look at it, it's easy to see that) and it's proven to be much quieter, cooler and overclocks better by about 7% or so. It's Sapphire's premium line so if you want cheaper you go for their Pulse line. This is currently their best engineered card until Toxic comes out which, if it does, will be even higher quality. Sheesh you're like going to buy a Calvin Klein shirt and expecting it to cost the same as Hanes. Learn what materials were used, the labor costs (good engineers deserve to get paid well), and the margins needed to keep making good products and pay for the research that goes into making better products. Even the fans on this Nitro+ are top tier technology and better than the reference. You sound like an uneducated consumer. Go buy a cheap, loud, warm card instead.
@@beeping2blipping bruh are you comparing the max range of wattage when overclocked to a 300 watt stock number? If you got the new amd driver and you dont overclock its about the same. But the AMD card has the possibility to overclock
I’d love to see one of these on chilled water. I got a 3090 Kingpin Hydro Copper, and I might grab one of these for some daily ice water running through it. As for performance, I don’t think it’s anything huge over my current GPU, due to my overclock. But I still really like this Nitro+ GPU.
i have a RedDevil 7900xtx Limited Edition.. an it run some good.. it pulls 430watts getting around 2900MHz gpu temp 45c junc teamps 77c... i must say the Red Devil run so good
170mhz should increase fps far more than 2% I'll bet AMD messed something up and that's why they marketed efficiency so hard. Somehow they increased bus width and shaders but it didn't get a proportional return on their investment. I'd bet the interconnect between the central chip and the memory units is saturated. I doubt drivers are going to help much.
Clock speeds don't mean better performance, its lower latency. The infinity fabric has its own speed limits, they use a 65nm interconnect under the chiplet modules.
@@motorb1tch lolol Expecting politicians to collectively have ANY idea at all about current and near-future tech. You've got to be aware that inviting politicians to rule an industry is just asking for stagnation in all but the most enlightened cases. When was the last time you had a bunch of politicians (eg a whole parliament, not just a simple majority) willing to work together in a way that significantly made things better for everyone in a short time frame?
@@sudeshryan8707 Yeah its true, its not often that prevalent when gaming, but its good to point it out for a 'worst case scenario' - but it wouldnt put me off buying one.
As I am on the market for a new card to benefit my competitive gaming with even higher fps I do believe the whine likely may occur with this card. Wouldn’t you say?
I don't have many resources and that's why I hesitate more in my purchases, but would you say that it is a good purchase for €950, without knowing what is coming in the future in terms of prices or new models?
Hello. First of all nice video, but a Question, @4.25 ish you say that the card offers 2 x HDMI 2.1 och 2x DP 1.4 - Is this correct? Aint the new cards with DP 2.1?!
The price is high on all the cards, but you gotta factor in the prices of Nvidia's cards. if you want a new card you wil be paying through the ying yang regardless
Bought this on launch day on the assumption it would be best-in class. Very much a bitter pill in being £100 more than we'd have liked... but Nvidia's open source/Linux support is an utter disgrace so it really wasn't a contest. And, of course, it wasn't in stock so won't even arrive for at least another week. Here's hoping the drivers mature enough to make this not feel like a giant waste of money.
@@damianwright3690 It's been close to perfect. Running with mesa-git on CachyOS (Arch) and other that a few days of broken RT [caused by mesa, not the GPU] it's wildly exceeded expectations. Easily the most stable card we've ever owned and performance is a vast step up from the 5700XT. If you were holding off just to be sure, go ahead and buy
Someone would do an ML benchmark with this card pretty please. 24 GB RAM makes it a good candidate. And with the ridiculous pricing of NVidia I would go with the red team if the tradeoff is not that bad.
Which bios is default? I dont feel like opening my PC back up to check and i installed mine a couple weeks ago. I want to make sure I'm getting the highest performance.
Are you limiting the oc/uv potential or are the 7900 XTXs less tunable than the 7900 XTs? I have the XFX Merc 7900 XT. I am able to stably run Time Spy Extreme @ 3050 MHz and undervolted to 960 mv. I am also able to oc the memory to 2810 MHz with a +15% power limit. I first set the memory. Then I set the max oc to 3.3 GHZ @1 V. I run the program and look for the max produced frequency. I lower the max oc to 50-100 MHz over the observed frequency and begin lowering the voltage until I hit instability. I back off 10mv. I can get the memory to 2828 without performance loss in Port Royal.
Great work and merry Christmas. You mentioned coil whine: have you considered doing a video on it? The subject in general, not just the whine of this card, that is. Like the frequencies of the whine. Someone who's deaf above 8000Hz may tolerant of a whine that someone who's deaf above 10,000 Hz may not if that whine is at 9,000 Hz. Here's looking to more great content in 2023!
Coil whine is generally the result of too much voltage trying to pass through a PCB or Voltage Regulators maybe, it's often a result of extremely high power use due to the system being confused from bad sensors and bad thermal conductivity...
Kinda crazy how sapphire lets you pull 500+watts with overclocking. This seems like it could be a kingpin product that are designed to push the clocks to the limit.
I don't get all this fuss about the 7900XTX not making sense compared to the 4080... The 7900XTX performs pretty much identical on average in regular gaming. I don't use ray tracing, I think most people don't care about it yet. I had never even heard of it before these new cards launched... Also, 8GB more VRAM is significant, and no cursed 12VHPWR connectors.
Although you said that it's similar to the 4080 in terms of performance and price, the 24GB is definetely a win over the 16GB that the 4080 offers. Especially with how demanding the games are in terms of VRAM and also for game development and Ai tool usage. So taking that into consideration is much more worth taking the XTX while only sacrificing a few frames in RayTracing but getting all the other benefits that come with higher VRAM
If you dont run RT the 7900xtx is def the better pick compared to the 4080. If you run RT then even the 4080 and 4090 barely work fine in 4k. In 4k gaming the 4080's VRAM won't outlast the 7900xtx. DLSS was a bad argument and still is a bad argument, but if you care about it..fs3 is proving to be very potent. Only usecase I've seen for 4080 is 1440p RT gaming and even then cyberpunk with RT runs at 50fps for instance. Not a big selling point to me
@@gabrielfpi3046 I plan on connecting it to TV for couch gaming as well and the price difference is like 300$ so the 7900xtx is more versitile and future proof
Modern GPUs may still include physical VBIOS switches for several reasons. First is the issue of safety and recovery. These physical switches serve as a fail-safe mechanism, so if software vbios update failed then you're screwed. Also, physical switches ensure compatibility in scenarios where a specific VBIOS version is necessary, especially in legacy systems or non-standard configurations. Security is also a concern since software-based VBIOS changes could be exploited by malicious software, and we definitely don't need some GPU frying virus going around. Specialized applications, older systems without software-based updating capabilities, and industries where precise GPU configuration control is vital also benefit from the reliability and consistency that physical switches offer. In essence, physical VBIOS switches provide a robust and secure way to manage GPU configurations in various situations where software-based alternatives may not be sufficient. However, having this setting in the motherboards bios to communicate with the GPU to change its vbios would be a better option, but that might take extra unnecessary work.
Is it normal for the back plate to get extremely hot? So hot that I can't even put my finger on the card around the chip. The temperatures in games are between 70-80 degrees and the wattage around 400.. Should I use more fans for better cooling in the case to keep the back plate cooler?
I got the Sapphire Nitro+ 7900 XT 20GB. I like the cooler, 3+pin power connector and it looks like my old Radeon VII without the red (R) on the right corner.
Looking to replace my Radeon VII with a Nitro XTX if one ever pops up. Guess it is the right time to upgrade from the VII since I'm not the only one it seems. 👍
@@Jurban5 I wanted a nitro XTX but that card is allusive. There's one on Newegg for $1500 scalper. Well at least I know the nitro XT can OC to nitro XTX version and gotten 4080 time spy extreme score 14500+ which is great while keeping temp between staying 60c-70c.
@Kt Pt yeah, I've been watching all of the pages like a hawk, can't believe the $1500 scalper premium. Figured I'd try and wait it out until I get lucky enough to snag one when it pops up. I would get the xt version but really want that extra 4gb vram for 4k stuff
@@Jurban5 yeah I feel the same way. I also wanted the extra 4Gb...I saw benchmark where the VRAM already between 12k-17k usage. Higher resolution require higher VRAM. I've settled for a 1440p 170-240hz maxed setting. If you can get a XTX you have more patience than I do haha!
I dont know why their prices are always so high at times. I was going to buy another GPU from them recently and I checked online and it was £100 less everywhere else.
What's everyones thoughts on GPU longevity when maxing out the power delivery during overclocking? The Sapphire Nitro 7900XTX can pump 480W into the RDNA3 card whilst still maintaining reasonable temperatures. Any chance that this could have a detrimental effect on the cards function over 4-5years?
It's wasted energy and 4-5 years of 500w would almost certainly make this card much more likely to die sooner than later. Honestly, you're better off going the other way and seeing how little power it can sip while still maintaining it's 1440p legacy for as long as possible.
the issue over the pricing at the moment in the uk retailers are forced to seek supply from EU wholesalers who pay additional taxes that are passed onto consumers, if UK retailers were allowed to seek supplies from Hong Kong or the USA we would see around 10% -15% lower prices, but as a court ruling against tesco in 2001 over levis jeans supplied from the USA shows, that's not possible right now.
