I might be wrong but I think the 4075R was intended for the inverted pull-behind snow blower operators as a Super Deluxe Snow Cab version. The new, extra HD front axle may also help support that application.
Never enough power when moving decent amounts of snow, definitely a such thing as too big for sidewalks, driveways, parking lot and whatever else. The bulk of compact utility tractor sales are not in the homeowners market. There’s a huge skid steer market some compact utilities can compete with. I can see CU tractors getting more hp and more hd. Snow removal is a prime example of the need for higher hp in a compact utility size
I plow snow commercially and run a 15' flex wing with an L6060. Ive put 3000 hours on l6060s over the past 8 years. I absolutely can use all the HP I can get. Why not get a bigger tractor? I also finish grade 10k sq ft irrigated subdivision yards with curbs, fences and sidewalks with it. If someone made a 100hp tractor in that size I would use all 100hp.
I run a slashing business in Australia, a brush hog to you Americans and i find my 4066r to be underpowered to run a 6ft brush hog i think the 4075 would be absolutely perfect for anything you want to run a PTO and plus you’ll never say in a years time you’ll never say god i wish i had less horsepower haha
I am director of facilities for a school district and we have a 4066R that we use for everything including mowing with a 17’ batwing mower, there are definitely times that the mower bogs down and we could definitely use more horsepower. Bigger tractor does not work for us, we can get on our sports fields earlier in the spring with the lighter 4 series than we could with our last tractor that was a 5 series Deere I know ours is a unique situation but it’s an example of the need for the 4075R. As always great video
I have the 5075, upgraded from a 5045. The 45 was the opposite problem. It got the job done, but was definitely at its max on a few tasks. I love the 5 series frame size, amd figured I can always back off if I dont need all the power, but I have no options if im under powered.
I think they should just have one “most appropriate” horsepower for a given frame size. Maybe it’s 75hp for the 4 series, 25hp for the 1, etc. Reduce the options and increase volume to be more competitive in the market. I do still like the option of different sizes of 25hp rigs to stay under emissions regs. For example, I like the Kubota LX2610 and LX4020, but the 3520 seems like a waste.
Bought the 5100M John Deere, love it, Pick up tall deer stands without disassembly, 15 ' batwing, genesis 5 drill, monster grapple. BUT, you don't hop on and off large cab tractor easily or go under trees on small roads in the woods, so I bought 35c case with 6' bush hog. If I had 20 acres would get 25 hp, 40-60 acres 35 hp, 80-120 60 hp, etc My final word after having owned several tractors of all sizes is: You need two tractors and a bigger barn than you built !!
A challenge to mindset?Stepping outside of thy minds box of which all thoughts are safely constrained. Suit up for battle ye, in preservation of maintaining thy self imposed boundaries against the great unknown powers of mindful presence. Be gone with you knowledge, be gone! I remember this argument when skid steers started climbing over 80 and 90 hp. All depends on how the piece of equipment is used. I maxed out the hp for the series of tractor I bought and it isn’t enough. There’s a need for 100 or 120 hp and extra weight in a big compact utility size. Or smaller hydro/auto shift/IVT transmission. This is for the operators who mostly run their tractors in the top third of its work capacity, using the pto and/or pull ground engaging implements. Or perhaps additionally used in some sort emergency response to natural disasters. And a utility size tractor isn’t an option, even though it might be cheaper. This probably excludes 80% of tractor owners and operators. To say there are a ton of engineering challenges to overcome is a pretty big understatement. I believe the biggest limiting factor is marketing, getting people to drop &1,000 - $1,200 per horsepower….is about what they are doing now, but for 100-150k they’d probably expect a utility tractor or construction equipment. It comes down to the value of your time and hobby vs non-hobby. I’m going to say this video is spot on for the majority of the hobbyist/casual tractor users or those without constraints of stepping up to a utility size tractor. That’s way less than half of compact tractor users, but the loudest voice online/social media and newest aggressive marketing target.
I subscribe to the Tim Taylor school of thought. To address the question at the end: I have a 3046R and have no regrets about getting the highest HP in the frame size. There are several instances where I'm using every bit of power - tilling up hills, pulling a seed drill, running 7' brush cutter, pulling a subsoiler, etc.
Fair points. There are always guys that will push the limits, no matter what it is. I wouldn't ever recommend a 7' cutter to anyone on a 3046r as a dealer. It's generally too large. That's just how it goes.
@@GoodWorksTractors Yeah, I debated going with that large of a cutter for a while, but it worked out. The dealer was skeptical, but 95% of the time it works great, the other 5% of the time I just reduce forward speed and it does fine.
Remember when you were tilling your garden and said, " I couldn't go slow enough" 75 Hp with hydro transmission. Would of been perfect in that situation
Totally agree. I do fine with my 4044m. Never had an issue with lack of PTO power. I have run a wood chipper, brush hog, tiller, flail mower, post hole digger, no issues.
Hydro. Love my 44m. It has moved a ton dirt, cut lots of tall grass, and graded several areas. Only thing I wish I had in my area is a cab due to dusty conditions.
Stump grinding would be my biggest use for the 4075R. My 4066 handles a baumalight 3p34 but just barely when I'm in bigger (36+ inch) stumps which are common here in the pacific northwest. A little extra PTO power for this application would be awesome. That being said, I have absolutely 0 intention to trade in my 4066 for a 4075.
I think there is some validity to the spec. The 4 series is a good size machine for a small hay operator. If you start looking at disc mowers, the PTO requirements start going up, the 3 point is capable of handling these mowers if the horsepower is there.
I saw no mention of an improved cooling system. I've overheated my 4 Series, overheated my 1 Series...shoot, I nearly overheated my Kubota M4 the other day. Hot work when haying, seems like it's pushing the limits without being fully thought out to me.
In every fields there will always be people playing the "Pissing contest" or the "inflatable neighbours" games. For no other reason than the bragging rights...
Our biggest issue is our current farm tractor is 60 HP but it's large in size for the property we have. We retired from farming mainly just brush hog now and loader work. So I really like the compact utility tractors like the 4052m and 4066m or the Kubota MX series or Grand L series or even the New Holland boomer/workmaster 45-50 HP tractors.
Totally agree. We had the opportunity to use a 5075E JD on our 20 acres and it's just too much tractor in size and power. Our 40hp Kubota is just about perfect in size. Tractor Hard! 🚜💪!
I have a 2019 4066r with under 200hrs loaded with every option, bought it used from an acreage owner. It’s a gem lots of power just wish there was a better seat option but it works just fine it will more than likely my last tractor….
Here in Nova Scotia, Canada. Each over 60PTO HP tractor is sold without sales tax as a government agriculture incentive. So when I compair the price of even a 50HP compact tractor, loader, cab ; to an entry level 70HP (61PTO) utility tractor, the 70HP are either dead equal or slightly less than the 50. It's all a matter of what the customer needs, or in some cases.. has room for. Plus, usually the transmission options on the 70HP plus utility sized tractor have more transmission and shuttle options which may suite the users better. This was an interesting video!
Would love to see JD release a 5075E or M trim level in a four cylinder engine, much like the Kubota’s M4 and M5. They run smoother, quieter and have the ability to develop power over a wider power band than the threes. JD is very close to pricing themselves out of the market.
That’ll never happen… While I agree their prices are insane these days. So are Kubota’s. The fact is in many areas around the country. Deere is not only the only thing people will buy. It’s also sometimes the only option available.
I think it may have cat 2 compatability. The 58 hp 4720 is at max hp for some cat 1 attachments. The 5 series does not have hydro trans. I will keep my pre-emissions 4720 and keep the 60k$
What would be nice is a way to dial the horsepower on the PTO, so you could run smaller implements with a larger tractor. While it wouldn't be practical for a gear drive tractor, it should be with a hydrostatic system. Basically you're measuring the load on the PTO and if it exceeds the set point, it starts bypassing.
On a tractor… Too much HP? Never. I could have 100hp in a BX and I’d still find a way to stall it with a brush hog or a snowblower. Yes, it sounds a little ridiculous, I know. But here’s the deal. Going from 50-60HP up to 75HP in the same frame size means that you can just simply do things faster. Yes, a 35 horse machine will run a 10’ brush hog. But it’s going to be SLOW GOING! And as far as snowblowers go, be it front or rear. You will NEVER have enough HP. But for me… I only use tractors for PTO implements. I’ll buy a skid steer for loader work. Loaders on tractors are kind of a joke when compared to a skid. The amount of money you have to spend to get a tractor with a loader half as capable as a smaller skid steer is really kinda shocking. Generally speaking though… I believe the 4075 is going to be bought by a lot of municipalities. Simply because it’s going to run a mower much better.
There rating engine horsepower not pto you lose a least 15hp thought the drivetrain and almost 10Hp with the a/c on so a 4075r is probably only has 60hp to 50 hp usable hp. Need to look at the PTO horsepower there deceiving people with that number on the hood, loader work with a hydro trans compared to a clumsy power reverser. It ain't enough hp or weight.
The thing that baffles me is a 75 HP tractor and still comes with catagory 1 three point , Kubota L6060 and the size down L5260 or whatever it is has catagory 2 I believe. That large a tractor having the same catagory 1 as a 1025r is kinda a head scratcher. All the hp in the world don't matter if it can't be put to the ground.
i gotta ask.... whats with the deere (absolutely pun intended) in the background? PS. nothing wrong with "OOH Shiny!" dont feel bad about wanting the 75 if you go with another 4 series!
Come on Courtney!! You know as well as I do, you can never have to much horsepower!! LOL! I am like you. I always buy the top trim level. I am mowing a one acre lot with a 4044R with an 84 inch finish mower! It is Great! Yes it is overkill but I like overkill and no horsepower problems! Keep up the great videos!
I would have to look into it again, yet i see a reason for that size engine. Isn't it 74 hp and below no emissions systems that means this tractor is perfect so that you need the higher compliance of emissions. -_-
In Canada tractors over 60 pto hp are non taxable. I do 15 ish snow properties and have a 6 acre property. I dont want a 5 series and my girlfriend don’t drive standard. They are making the 4075r for people like me, non business/personal users. The 4075r is 20k more than a 5 series but a 12 year old can drive it. Buy once, cry once.
In Canada tractors over 60 pto hp are non taxable. I do 15 ish snow properties and have a 6 acre property. I dont want a 5 series and my girlfriend don’t drive standard. They are making the 4075r for people like me, non business/personal users. The 4075r is 20k more than a 5 series but a 12 year old can drive it. Buy once, cry once.
The 4075r is a no brainer for me. Im using it for residential snow removal with an inverted blower. I get better top speed on the road. Nothing is more efficient on the driveways than the hydrostatic. I cant get that operator friendly setup with a 5 series. The ergonomics, and hydrostatic pedal is just too quick and easy going forward and reverse as much as i do. You wont catch me complaining about the extra horsepower.
Good Works, I think it should be named the "Tim The Tool Man Taylor Syndrome". MORE POWER - Aaarrrr. LOL. As a 70 year old man, I am on a relatively fixed income. However, I can afford the bigger newer tractor, but I can't see me doing that simply because I can. My 3038E is perfect for the jobs that I do.
There is no such thing! you want to rototill your garden to plant strawberries. Get a 380 HP JD and sell the other 360 HP you do not use to your neighbor.
My LX3310 has enough My L6060 has enough But My M4-71 doesn’t .. I was saying the other day I wish it had 90. But I feel just like you … Im going to buy the nicest trim level and the highest HP even if I didn’t need it
I realize this video theme was around the new four series 75 horse. I’d really like to see JD release a refreshed three series tractor that would include: four cylinder engines, MSL Loader option, Power Reverser transmission, Fifty horsepower, Air seat, Standardized three front SCV and two in the rear, R14 tire availability, Larger rear-mounted fuel tank, etc. Can you put a bug in their ear.
I've got a 2020 4066r euro spec, so its optioned with all the tghings that 4075r has, its great for everything i got except running my Howard AH 6' Rotary tiller with bed formers, it really sucks the power. If the 4075r offered more PTO power id add it to the fleet.
Hey buddy. Im currently in search for a tractor. Please can some help me out. What could be the best john dee to buy right. Especially, if you want to work on a 100 acre land and also do livestock farming in a tropical environment
Between the 4066r and the 4075r they only claim 3 more pto hp output, I don't see that as a big upgrade, unless you can put it to the ground. Both of them are in the range where I would probably switch to a 5060e or something like that, cat 2 implements used to start being a good idea at 30 or 35 hp in the pre-compact tractor world. Sometimes too much power is a bigger problem that not enough, I watched a 4020 pull a cat 1 subsoiler and it broke the tip off before he could get stopped when it caught a rock (that was the only tractor running at the time), but a bigger implement or smaller tractor like the 45 hp that usually did chores like that might have held on long enough to realize what was happening.
I’m just like you haha my father is too I want to sell or trade in my 4066r for the 4075r we mow a few acres I tow a 6’ John Deere rotary and it looks like lawn behind it now but I want to upgrade the tractor anyways
I have a 4052R cab tractor with an Erskine hydraulic snow blower, I live on a fairly steep hill …. I would want 75hp. The 52hp runs out pretty quick. The 66hp would obviously do better but the 75 should run it perfectly.
I don't think the cooling system can handle it on those hot days. Too easy to overheat a hydro transmission. I didn't see them mention anything about an upgraded cooling system to handle that extra HP. Hydro's run hot!
Sorry new to the tractor game. If anyone can answer this it will be appreciated. Why is the 4066m HD listed as a CAT 1 & 2 three point hitch but the 4075R is listed as a CAT 1 three point hitch. Thanks in advance! 🙏🏼
@@kbc74747 you don’t need engine horsepower to clear snow. It isn’t going to help you push it. Weight and traction will. 3HP more on the PTO is insignificant at best.
Courtney, I would tend to disagree. I purchased my JD4720 new back in 2007 and it has been a great tractor. I had a couple 4600's and moved up to the 4720 because I wanted the greatest HP available in a hydro tractor. I truly enjoy the ease of running a hydro tractor. If I were going to buy a new tractor I would consider the 4075 for a couple of reasons. First, I use my tractor both for field work and in the woods. I could use a little more HP in the field to pull my 8' disc and a 7' rototiller. I don't want a 5000 series tractor because I use it in the woods and don't want the larger frame tractor with cab, which I feel is not as easy to use in the woods due to hitting limbs branches etc.. I currently have a little over 1000 hrs. on my 4720 w/cab and feel it makes sense to keep it given what I would have to spend to move up. Just my thoughts, Bob
Most in favor say they need it because of PTO HP....blowers, mowers, grinders. You're getting 3HP more at the PTO. 3HP, that's it. Incredibly insignificant. Very little other upgrades for $17,000 more than a 4066r. It's only $5,700 per 1 HP for that upgrade...no biggie 😂 All I can do is point out the obvious, but folks can spend their money however they see fit! $17,000 buys a heck of a lot of attachments that'll work just fine on a 4066r if you can get by with 3 fewer PTO HP.
IMO the 4066R is the goldilocks of compacts. I have never needed more HP for my applications. We have had customers that bought cab 4044R's conplain about them being underpowered, but never heard any complaints on the 52 and 66's. I have seen in the parts catalog a electronic SCV option which comes with an electronic joystick for the loader. Im guessing that it will be an option on the new 4R's.
The features are improved and I want the 4075, but I’m surprised at how incompetent they are at marketing and information. The dealers are clueless about this tractor and the conflicting information from JD makes trying to order quite comical. JD says the deluxe cab and snow cab have radio but the configurator makes you add radio. The snow cab can’t be ordered with a loader yet they are available. The heavy axle and hydro tranny make this desirable but JD makes it difficult.
Wish they had that front axle as an option for the "lesser" tractor hp in the 4 frame size. The front axle gets a workout on the 4 series machines. And loader work is not hp limiting on how much it can lift. Axle leaks suck. Btdt 4600 and 4720 owner.
reasson is simple . the 4066 is the most sell tractor for snowplowing here in Quebec Canada many business own 100+ tractor and all the complain are about power and speed so John Deere came out whit this . Massey also follow whit a new serie 3
It’s a matter of balance. If you want higher hp, that’s fine, but whatever you buy needs to be able to use it. If you can’t put that extra horsepower to the ground…. What good it? Goes back to spec your equipment out for what you need. Bigger isn’t always better.
I need to be able to put that horse power into the ground. That is the only issue that i see with the smaller compact tractor. They don't have the tires or weight to be able to put that power into the ground. A heavier tractor with solid gears can just do the job better with less horsepower. Our 8 N has never run out of power, and it only has 26 hp for the work that we have to do. If we had a real farm, we would need a slightly larger tractor for some jobs, but even then 37 HP might(Case 700) do everything that we need. The only issue would be the weight needed for larger set of disks, or HP for a diskbine, both of which we don't need.
the amount of work that people get done with the 28 to 40 hp range tractors is amazing, no good for what i do, but i am like cursing them, I need my 75 hp but does the same as my friends 90hp, just not as much grunt.
John Deere and Kubota are amateurs when it comes to insane hp in a compact tractors deutz fahr 5df ttv is in the same frame size 4075r but it can have up to 116hp boost that to 126 with it boost setting it also has options to be upgraded with all wheel steer and cames equipped with a CVT transmission as standard but they do market it as a tractor for professional landscapers and for orchard and vineyard owners which make sense if your using it for that but your average home owner or small holdings or rancher is going to need all that with expedition of the CVT transmission and all wheel steering who wooden what a tractor with those features 😂🚜😂
Its not what can you do with the 4075. Its just beefier which means in the long run your not going to break down as much.i like the beefier front axle.
I owned a 4066m heavy duty in HD transmission it was under powered,if you own a hydra transmission you lose 10 horsepower at least no matter what deere says.
Horsepower is overrated. In my opinion, that tractor is to small for most attachments you would normally use on a 75 hp tractor. For example ttwt tried using a plow and in stock configuration the 3 point hitch would barely lift it. It might be good for your business though if people destroy implements because they had to much power 😆
No, there's no such thing as too much power. There is such a thing as too big. If a manufacturer can pack more power into a more compact passage, Good bless them. I'd love to have my Kubota 3310 be able to pick up a pallet of pellets. 🙁
More engine HP doesn’t equate to more loader lift capacity. Plus, everything is tied together. You want to lift more, then you need a heavier tractor. Often times, a heavier loader, heavier bucket, beefier axle, etc. Then, you scratch your head and say I just should have got a bigger tractor 😂 Physics.
Hey Nick, nice to see your name. I'd figure if anyone could use this machine, it would be an outfit like yours. However, I still don't see the great appeal. The 4075r generates 2.1HP more at the PTO or roughly 3% more HP. That's insignificant. What draws you to it over the 4066r?
People will always be willing to pay for HP whether they need it or not. Like, why do farmers need 600+ HP in a large farm tractor…? 🤷🏽♂️ why do people pay for King ranch or Denali trucks? From what I understand, The 4075R was brought out to answer a need for snowblower and batwing mower applications, as well as some hay work applications. Also, why not have it before Kubota does? 😂 that right there is a win in itself
I see nothing mentioned about a larger cooling system. You’re going to run even hotter with more HP. Likely more prone to overheat which is already a problem with hydrostatic tractors.
I have a L6060, and i would certainly like more power for snow blowing, stump grinding, extreme brush mowing. I know I could go up a class, but I really enjoy the hydrostatic.
Yeah, the 3HP increase at the PTO is not going to give you much of a boost on the 4075r. Pretty much a pointless upsize. It would really need to be 8-10HP at the PTO to be significant.
The only time Deere has ever communicated with me was when their lawyers called to tell me to change my wording on my website. They thought it was too close to sounding like I was affiliated with them. I thought maybe they were calling to send a commission check for all the Deere tractors I've likely sold for them, but I was wrong! 😂
They claimed “snow removal”. Having sold 4066R’s at a Deere, dealer, I don’t see much the 4075R will do that the 4066R won’t do, especially hydraulically. You can only lift so much before you need to get a physically bigger tractor. What they should’ve done was brought back an updated version of the 110 TLB, I could’ve sold many of those back in the day.
I'll answer your first question. I'm using a 2023 Grand L6060 for commercial & residential construction site work of all kinds, and my compact tractor is just the right size to get in and out of back yards and tight areas. But I also use the same tractor for brush hog mowing/clearing with a 6' Woods rotary mower. You can never have too much hp when you're doing serious mowing! The same would apply to the 4075. Very nice machine.
The only reason I need 75 HP is to run my 568 5'x 6' bailer and I only need a compact tractor for everything else I use my tractor for. The 4075R fits the bill. My 1500 pick up will pull it and my 10K GVW 20' equipment trailer will haul it. I don't need a F250 or a 20K gooseneck trailer to haul it. The savings are not always obvious as some might think.
So what you're saying is......I need to buy another tractor!!! I have 200 acres and a 5075, but after reading all these comments, I'm thinking I need a smaller option for some of the tighter, more precise spots! Excellent, now, just to figure out how I'm going to sell this to the Misses!??!?!
