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Scrabble with worse tiles worth more points! 

Mack Meller
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In the newest episode of modified tile bag Scrabble, tile point values are adjusted according to how good they are! Each tile is worth its normal value plus its static leave value. The Q is now a whopping 17, while the Z is worth a meager 5! Who will adjust better? Watch to find out!

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@ravi12346
@ravi12346 8 месяцев назад
7:13 Mack, when asked what advantages he still has over Quackle: "I have iNF(ERE)NCES!"
@almightyhydra
@almightyhydra 8 месяцев назад
Mack: plays a 10-letter word Quackle: what a DORK, my 4-letter word scores more
@eighthcoda
@eighthcoda 8 месяцев назад
Yes! I've always thought the tile values needed to be tweaked as new words were added. The Z is particularly overpowered, especially in Collins.
@iwersonsch5131
@iwersonsch5131 8 месяцев назад
I wonder how Scrabble would play with: - O worth 2 - U, G worth 3 - B worth 4 - W worth 5 - V, X worth 6 - Z worth 8 - Q worth 12 - an extra copy of K, one less copy of I Might that even out the static leaves by a lot, and make scoring leaves more competitive with bingo leaves?
@Mr.D.C.
@Mr.D.C. 3 месяца назад
3 for U is a lot I think. 2 is more reasonable
@rosiefay7283
@rosiefay7283 8 месяцев назад
Adjusting each tile's value by its static leave value is a nice idea. However, vowels' static leave values are low because having too many vowels is bad, and don't take into account how good a vowel usually is in combo with a consonant. So your new tile values over-reward maintaining a good vowel/consonant ratio.
@mackmeller
@mackmeller 8 месяцев назад
Yeah, that's definitely true, like when I had 6 vowels and it was actually a pretty good leave
@pyqeponytails6177
@pyqeponytails6177 8 месяцев назад
I have a suggestion for a modified game. Play Scrabble but the tiles of the same letter have different points that are the first few multiples of their original points. So the 4 Ds have 2, 4, 6, and 8 points, the 2 Ms have 3 and 6 points, and the 12 Es have 1, 2, 3, ..., 12 points. That means all tiles are different. You can pull a 1 point R from the bag but you can also pull a 6 point R.
@kzvoices1
@kzvoices1 8 месяцев назад
This is a great concept, but may need further adjustments as the static leave values are informed partially by tile frequency. for example, having four points for O is clearly too high as there are 8 of them
@AmaranthRBY
@AmaranthRBY 8 месяцев назад
It would've been really funny if the "buffed" Q actually just ended up hurting Quackle even more when it ended up stuck with it, unfortunately he's too good Sick 10
@lucas29476
@lucas29476 8 месяцев назад
ey! Thank you for playing my suggestion! Can't wait to see how it goes. EDIT: oh my god 7:07
@ohtani2024
@ohtani2024 8 месяцев назад
So glad you finally make video for this concept!! Look so forward to your later adjustment!
@andrewmilner-white9988
@andrewmilner-white9988 8 месяцев назад
Do the static leave values still make sense given the new tile values? e.g. Z has a positive 5 static value, but surely that should be reduced as the tile value is now only 5? This is obviously circular - would need some decent maths to work out the "correct" value.
@andrewmilner-white9988
@andrewmilner-white9988 8 месяцев назад
Therefore I wonder if the tile values in this video "overcompensate" e.g. Us, Os and Ws are all too high now; Zs are too low, etc. Regardless, fun variant!
@Jonassngr
@Jonassngr 8 месяцев назад
@@andrewmilner-white9988im sure they do overcompensate.. someone should figure out a variant where every tile actually has a static leave value as close to zero as possible. I also wonder how close to regular scrabble that would be.. maybe it would even be (almost) the same
@effwest
@effwest 8 месяцев назад
All static leaves are relative to the point values of other tiles, so this does overcompensate. Check out Stefan Fatsis's slate article; it points to some studies that have been done to try to rebalance tiles. A lot of tiles change by about 1 or 2 points. Q to 12, Z to 6, U to 2, M to 2, G to 3, etc. I think most would argue the unbalanced point values is a lot of what makes the game what it is, though.
@mackmeller
@mackmeller 8 месяцев назад
Yeah, agreed it overcompensated, especially for the vowels -- part of the problem was I was forced to round a lot of the time, like if the static value ended in .4/.5/.6
@petrie911
@petrie911 8 месяцев назад
Since score bonuses involve doubling or tripling the tile's face value, I think changing the face value by 1 changes its static leave by a lot more. Also I'm guessing static leave doesn't fully capture the tiles strategic value in playing. Makes me think a "scrabble tile tier list" video could be fun. Also the Q has a -7 static leave with QI legal. How atrocious was the Q before that?
@mackmeller
@mackmeller 8 месяцев назад
Not sure exactly since I started playing after QI was added, but probably -10 if not worse?
@asdfasdf4924
@asdfasdf4924 8 месяцев назад
This is a pretty cool idea
@benjaminschmutter
@benjaminschmutter 8 месяцев назад
iNF(ERE)NCES!
@extremepayne
@extremepayne 2 месяца назад
Obviously the tiles in *this* game have different static leave values, so what if you figured that out and did a second round of adjustments? A third? Would tile scores eventually stabilize with everything having either zero static leave value or worth zero points?
@Fexghadi
@Fexghadi 8 месяцев назад
Hey Mack. How about making the best tile in this format worth 0, and then scaling all the other ones up relative to that one? Ignoring the blanks, let's say E is the worst tile in this format at a value of -12 (random number just to illustrate the point). E becomes worth 0. Then any tile worth -8 would become a 4, a tile worth -3 would become a 9, etc. Or can scale up from 1 instead of 0, too.
@GreaterJan
@GreaterJan 8 месяцев назад
The math doesn't really make sense since you can score double or in two directions
@vincehomoki1612
@vincehomoki1612 Месяц назад
23:55 It was setting up the theme for idiotism.
@quentind1924
@quentind1924 8 месяцев назад
What about scrabble but each letters are worth 5 or 10 extra points ?
@MichaelDarrow-tr1mn
@MichaelDarrow-tr1mn 8 месяцев назад
what program, how do you change tile values, and does the program work on linux
@mackmeller
@mackmeller 8 месяцев назад
This is all in Quackle -- I don't have any experience with Linux but I imagine it should work there. To change the tile values you need to go into the package contents, then create a new alphabet file
@100beep5
@100beep5 3 месяца назад
By the way, "zlote" is pronounced "zwoteh," it's Polish currency. Source: spent two months in Warsaw
@zidane8452
@zidane8452 3 месяца назад
If the tiles were about how frequent they are then how is H worth 4 points? The most common english word has an H... Scrabble shouldn't be giving them certain points because of how frequent they are in english, cuz for Z and Q to worth both 10 points is insane to me when Z is easier to play than V. Then again Z worthing 10 points devalue the tile cuz Scrabble ever be creating some Z words that's not actual words in oxford dictionary. It's worth 10 points for a reason that it's not used much and should be hard to play but everyday Scrabble have a new Z word for what? Now the Z don't value it's 10 points
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