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@aren_gee
@aren_gee 2 года назад
I like watching Scripe's raid fights in FFXIV. Really chill and I can see (metaphorically speaking) cogwheels turn in his head when he figures out a mechanic that may or may not work and testing it out via trial and error.
@AoyagiMei
@AoyagiMei 2 года назад
Echo was one of the most enjoyable streams for me (who loves problem solving but not good enough to chase WF) to watch this tier in FFXIV because they were doing it blind. I love seeing the process teams go through when breaking down pull info and coming up with strats. Teams that just copy what other teams do... really no insights to gain there.
@domovoi25
@domovoi25 2 года назад
You must've not watched the TEA RWF then, because even though the top streaming teams (including the eventual World 2nd) were all copying each other, it was really enjoyable watching them (and the community) try to figure out various mechanics.
@sirnonsense5033
@sirnonsense5033 2 года назад
@@domovoi25 i think that works in just the very hardest fights tho aka ultimates. Normal savages just aren’t on that lvl to still be maximum fun with this.
@ExireHG
@ExireHG 2 года назад
Ultimates are horrible to watch, I'll tune in for a day but not an extended week KEKW
@sirnonsense5033
@sirnonsense5033 2 года назад
@@ExireHG depends on the person I guess.
@BahamutxD
@BahamutxD 2 года назад
I enjoyed the Echo journey in FFXIV so much. I just can't thank you enough for this as someone that never experienced any savage/ultimate in the game (despite throwing thousands of hours into it), seeing you guys progress felt like I was part of it and learning the fights myself.
@NorthzYT
@NorthzYT 2 года назад
I think this is an important argument, how many class/item specific exploits actually gets caught on PTR to justify its use? And is this really something an in-house QA wouldn't be able to accomplish? The testing method used in the PTR is also inherently flawed, since the PTR contains full encounter you end up in a situation where the beginning portion of the fight will be more tested compared to the later parts. You would be able to achieve much more efficient testing with an in-house QA team working directly with the devs since the QA team could ask the devs to isolate specific parts of the encounter to test out various strategies and items.
@TankHunter678
@TankHunter678 2 года назад
The purpose of the PTR is basically 3 things: 1) Free-ish advertising, as the contents of the PTR become the subject of numerous videos and datamining to determine what is next. 2) Boosting revenue by turning the playerbase into unpaid QA interns so you can shrink your QA team. 3) Fixing bugs.
@anguslee6589
@anguslee6589 2 года назад
i love watching echo's ffxiv raid more genuine that that fake blind prog Limit or Liquid person
@jessbun1737
@jessbun1737 2 года назад
I really hope scripe and team will stay as long time in FFXIV. watching them prog was amazing and a lot of fun. I really hope they will do well in the next tier c:
@CineGoodog
@CineGoodog 2 года назад
Scripe is way more relatable than Max. No wonder one of them for some reason felt like cheating a blind prog on the Eden savage raids. Echo went true blind and it was really fun to watch
@CoachEd
@CoachEd 2 года назад
was really interested in scripe's thoughts on this being actually in it. glad to watch it
@jackphillips8019
@jackphillips8019 2 года назад
I'm glad he mentioned how global release needs to happen. Sick of hearing about "EU get the advantage of watching NA do the fights". No other race would use that as an excuse, you wouldn't give one racecar driver a 3 minutes head start and tell the second guy "Well at least you get to see him do it first".
@AnatoPhysi
@AnatoPhysi 2 года назад
This is not about the speed but the strats is. Or in your racing car case . I may say the map of how it look and how to race on it .
@doodliedie
@doodliedie 2 года назад
@@AnatoPhysi it is about the strats but the speed is crucial aswell, cant say its only about strats.
@AnatoPhysi
@AnatoPhysi 2 года назад
@@doodliedie you tell me . Idk
@DirtyCiv
@DirtyCiv 2 года назад
@@doodliedie speed doesn't exist without the strat.
@doodliedie
@doodliedie 2 года назад
@@DirtyCiv yeah but having the best strat doesnt mean u get instant wf speed
@TheGraveyarder
@TheGraveyarder 2 года назад
very interesting analogy with the vegetables and the desert lmao ive never heard it before but it totally makes sense
@maxwell4322
@maxwell4322 2 года назад
The only reason wow has PTR is because its Free Game Testers. They Literally fire their QA after they've done the minimum. And as a result these things don't get properly tested because people aren't looking for issues or trying to find the cracks - they are just trying to play.
@jordimg7727
@jordimg7727 2 года назад
i get it i get it, this is like an echooo, the reaction of the reaction of the reaction
@jessicajones641
@jessicajones641 2 года назад
My static is doing savage right now and we went in completely blind. It was so much fun. In WoW, our guild would watch so many videos prior to trying the raids. We have only done fully blind runs in FF. Not sure why, maybe bc our time isn’t being waisted in FF so we are more relaxed about going into Savage and EX
@candykit5382
@candykit5382 2 года назад
I didn't do P1S until week 3 and did it blind, same for hydae and zodiark, we didn't do them week 1. We just like doing things blind or mostly blind, and if we get stuck at a particular mechanic and cant figure it out, then we'll check a guide for that mechanic
@jstraziante
@jstraziante 2 года назад
I thought I was hearing things but I do hear that Scott Peeples Chrono Cross remix playing in the background
@MichaelIbsenGuitar
@MichaelIbsenGuitar 2 года назад
It blows my mind that even with PTR blizzard has to hot fix raids DURING the race, how does that not tilt every team to the point where they just quit this game. Their QA is obviously fucked, even with free work done by the best players in the world.
@Warhammerdude299
@Warhammerdude299 2 года назад
Wait, not just the raid drop on a staggered basis, the hotfix does too?!! Oh lord, fuck that.
@VampireNoblesse
@VampireNoblesse Год назад
nice to see echo has established themselves in ffxiv (P88 PF strats used by echo a lot today.., btw. P8S is one of the hardest savage fights ever.., hardest since atleast 2 full expansions)
@TheBongReyes
@TheBongReyes 2 года назад
I enjoyed both Echo & Limit’s prog streams. The fact that they beat some of the best fffiv raiders’ statics…. Rin, Xenos, llamatodd, etc. that’s saying plenty of their overall raiding skills. TPS is just insane. The fact that Sfia had said that they could have cleared savage 2hrs earlier but they kept screwing up. I have respect for all the raiding statics for skill and having thousands watch them prog.
@XFry333X
@XFry333X 2 года назад
A big issue this specific tier is the tremendous queue to log back into the game if you DC. I know Xenos had this issue with his group and it delayed prog by hours.
@99range92def
@99range92def 2 года назад
@@XFry333X Thats why tps plays on a server with no queue times.
@someguy3508
@someguy3508 2 года назад
Fuck yea man, no PTR and Dungeon Journal
@nixiedreamstar
@nixiedreamstar 11 месяцев назад
A thing that Echo should consider doing is doing the casual content of the game, just a couple of times. I know its not their goal to stream XIV or anything other than Top-high end tier World first sorta stuff. But a lot of their problems on learning the savage fights could've been solved much faster if they had done the casual content previously. Many of those mechanics were at some point in the past show at least partially in a dungeon boss, or a previous raid boss, etc.
@graysroksan
@graysroksan 2 года назад
He did just call Asmongold…. Sir Gold….
@inhuahua1
@inhuahua1 2 года назад
Should be Sir Bald 😆😆
@MrBigsmallguy
@MrBigsmallguy 2 года назад
Scripe has really become a fountain of insight and entertainment. I appreciate all his videos and if you see this please know you have a new fan. Thanks for being you
@darrenleake3343
@darrenleake3343 2 года назад
Its a highlight of laziness.
@darrenleake3343
@darrenleake3343 2 года назад
'His' videos?? He reacted to someone reacting to someone else's. videos.
@MrBigsmallguy
@MrBigsmallguy 2 года назад
@@darrenleake3343 alright, for you friend ill give you the full meaning of that word here. His additional commentary on a video, and someone reacting to that video, which extended and elaborated on a topic that people wanted to talk about which became a video on his youtube channel that extended the original source material and its derivative material into about 4x of the the original and 2x of the derivative.
@Steve-cc8zg
@Steve-cc8zg 7 месяцев назад
This is prophetic, isn't it, based on the early comments from you and Asmon about...Gosh, if it could only be neck and neck every time it would be rule. Fast forward one year to the tightest RWF ever? Well played.
@iioxy7530
@iioxy7530 2 года назад
There are definitly some groups in the top 50 that go completely blind, Stal's team as an example (19th with connection problems, 2nd in TEA)
@pipmarley
@pipmarley 2 года назад
Please do everything you possibly can to get asmon to come play warrior for you next tier. Asmon and Revves literally just going godmode on everyone.
@anuvik3540
@anuvik3540 2 года назад
I love playing PTR! Only because it's the only way to do a WoW raid without seeing the fight and having to figure it out...
@YokoshimaXChronicles
@YokoshimaXChronicles 2 года назад
I feel like you realized what your saying and petered out near the end.
@Theparadoxd7
@Theparadoxd7 2 года назад
One thing I wondered about RTWF why don't people change it to like a timer system from when the servers come up. That way yeah their is still these weird advantages of seeing other guilds tactics and things being patched first but if servers come back up and US kills it in 12 hours but EU kills it in 11 hours then that solves the problem?
@bondsmatthew
@bondsmatthew 2 года назад
About the points at the end, it's better for everyone involved even those who care about questing and stories. Getting a story that is mish-mashed, out of order, and spoiled on the PTR is the absolute worst. We've just been so used to it in WoW that we've just gotten used to it. Experiencing the Endwalker story for the first time was amazing. And want to know the first time anyone in the world has seen the story or has seen the zones? DAY 1 OF PATCH. There was nothing spoiling it ahead of time.
@untrustingstatue
@untrustingstatue 2 года назад
Wow players have been conditioned into thinking the PTR is basically the real patch/expansion release. It's so fucking dumb and it really goes to show how important it is for story elements to be hidden for a better reveal -- or perhaps, not have a fucking PTR in the first place and have blizzard use an in-house testing team to do the raids like ff does
@TsLeloriel
@TsLeloriel 2 года назад
Next olympic 10 000m, a couppel of runners will get the upper hand, since they will be on the sideline watching the other runners do the first lap, before they can start.
@gregthomson2299
@gregthomson2299 2 года назад
I don’t think people go into the 10 000m foot race not knowing the variables- competitors specs (speed, strength, agility, equipment), the type of course they’ll run and have changes made to various things mid race. Kind of a poor comparison, but starting earlier will always be beneficial. Any guild that doesn’t agree could always take the first day off! Strange that they don’t 🤔. (I know). Regardless, you have to hate the game, not the player. The EU>NA, NA>EU bias is cringe af.
@Lordoftheapes79
@Lordoftheapes79 2 года назад
So, everybody likes the staggered releases then?
@jmendoza2007
@jmendoza2007 2 года назад
So... About the hotfix debate... I'd rather have a fight that the actually do some big time QA and there's no need for hotfixes... Just saying XD
@Frazful
@Frazful 2 года назад
OMG I havent followed the race since the ICC days. US guilds still have a head start? Blizz 😂😂😂😂😂
@F1ipsydez
@F1ipsydez 2 года назад
unfortunate that Max was dishonest about the blind prog
@kenkenasdfasdf
@kenkenasdfasdf 2 года назад
I don't play WoW but can someone explain that Windrunner fight? Tried googling but cant find reliable info. Is she time gated and cant be killed in week 1?
@kemonius6033
@kemonius6033 2 года назад
She's not time gated but the way the fight happens is that you need a balance between boss dmg classes and multi-target classes to be able to push the boss to the end. Echo brought it to 50% (the fight ends at that point in the lower difficulties), but it turns out she wouldn't die until 45% on mythic, so they had to change their entire team composition to try getting an extra 10% boss damage (a bit more actually, since the first phase always ends at 84% so you can't gain boss damage there). In phase 2 of the fight, the raid gets split in half, each side kills their mobs, then the raid regroups to deal damage to the boss before she flies away and P3 begins. Echo tried sending one tank to the left side (ignoring the add, but tanking it so it doesn't wipe the raid), while the whole raid went right and killed their adds, in order to save more cooldowns for the boss burn right after. However, this was hotfixed so you required more players to stand near the add, otherwise it would oneshot the tank. At this point most people thought that the gear level was too low to kill it during the first week. Additionally, wow has a system where they give you a piece of high level loot if you've killed enough bosses in the past week, on top of a shard system this patch (won't go into details, but it's another huge dps boost tied to RNG), so the combination of that armor piece + the bonus gear from reclearing (which is extremely easy for top guilds to do) means you get an insane power boost when reset happens. So essentially most people thought that Echo would lose because the boss was tuned too hard for week 1, and fairly easy for week 2 (for WF raiders of course, most of us didn't get there until a while later), which has been "confirmed" by Complexity Limit (world 2nd) getting the kill on their first attempt of week 2. Echo did eventually manage to kill her before NA reset happened, but there were a few hours where people thought that no one would have enough gear to kill her week 1. I hope that was somewhat clear :p
@kenkenasdfasdf
@kenkenasdfasdf 2 года назад
@@kemonius6033 Very clear. thank you so much
@Schmoschify
@Schmoschify 2 года назад
we have a global cooldown, why don't we have a global reset?
@lostinfrance9830
@lostinfrance9830 2 года назад
Having the players test the boss's on ptr is defo a bobby and co move. Get players to do the testing then they dont have to fund internal testing logic defo.
@Nec-168
@Nec-168 2 года назад
This argument of watching the us guilds with their head start makes only sense when bosses are completely buggy. In normal circumstances, head start is always favorable thing imo
@ichigo9171
@ichigo9171 2 года назад
i love reactception
@TheOdMan
@TheOdMan Год назад
The game was fine before the dungeon journal, just remove it, us casual scrubs can just check video guides and read about the bosses online like we used to. Honestly I can't even remember actually using the dungeon journal in our guild, we still just watched videos and read guides online.
@Purplenbrown
@Purplenbrown 2 года назад
So I dont know if this is stupid or not, but in my mind top NA guilds should just expoit their advantage further and do HC splits until EU gets their reset. In this way they get more gear and also EU guilds dont get to watch them do their strat beforehand, and in case of bugs everyone has to wait until it gets fixed...
@Lefiekek
@Lefiekek 2 года назад
the later you do splits, the more gear you can trade since the characters have mythic gear, you can also distribute it better. Also it's usually better to save splits for the harder bosses since they might need to funnel certain classes, including alts
@snoox9652
@snoox9652 2 года назад
its not a wow token problem there is a few points i think like player based people get way bad at the last years. its not boosting a problem like if i have 1 1/2 day time to do daily and hc clear and maybe first 3M for vault, in this scenario its okay . The problem is people let them boost for no reason becaus they not even try to get better , like at m+ i had 2.7+ players they played like 1.0k dudes. WTF M+ has to change very much. I think the best way to fix it to take a ranked system and you q for your io and play agains a other team the same Dungeon and reward is like if you win you have a plus 2 and if the other team lose but its still in time ist just plus 1 and if its not in time its like default. It would take more random player to force to be good at keys and give everthing for winning and get them a time ban for m+ becaus stupid leaving . i know that there will be some who still deplet keys but i hope with something like that it will be more less becaus the winning part. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAnd stop doing random drops at raid thats a part becaus RWF cost that much gold becaus the teams have do trans servers or and or buy that first week for insane gold ect. Make globals realease would be fair for all, because top raiders dont really care about when they have to play they play for winnig and grow u I hope you can read my bad english but thats my point i love m+ i want to push Rank 20 but if you not lucky with team its now not possible. i try insane hard try to fix everyting on me but yeeeeee :(
@Airlinecuisine
@Airlinecuisine 2 года назад
as someone who has never played wow what i am understanding about the dev team is they are so set in the old ways things were done that they dont think they need to change it, people go play ff14 for a raid tier and they see oh global release? why doesnt wow do that. why are the raiding tiers fight so clean where are the bugs? In house testing? why doesnt wow do that? but i do think they are starting to open their eyes especially with cross faction announcement so hopefully those things will come as well. I want WOW to do better so that ff14 and other mmos can do better competition breeds success.
@PotatoRankEX
@PotatoRankEX 2 года назад
White shirt gang
@OldManInternet
@OldManInternet 2 года назад
Ion said the Shadowlands would be the most intricate version of WoW ever. He was right, and it was terrible. WoW systems might be more complex, but more often than not that complexity actively hurts the gameplay. I think FF14 could add a little more complexity to the game, but I also think WoW needs to take a huge step back in how many variables exist. And if I had to pick one, I would say FF14 is the more fun raid experience as they both stand now. But both have room for improvement.
@BronzeApparathus
@BronzeApparathus 2 года назад
Didn't sfia cheat on the tea clear and whatever he did was patched later?
@sauceinmyface9302
@sauceinmyface9302 2 года назад
Sorta. Basically, one of their tanks kitchen-sinked all of their CDs, and survived what was intended to be an enrage, letting them see further into the fight and gain intel, and it was patched later. Also, TEA was plagued by datamining that many teams used.
@komimisliar
@komimisliar 2 года назад
it's not cheating and not a SINGLE soul in the xiv community believes sfia is a cheater or that tps cheated. please stop spreading disinformation if you are unsure about something
@XCC23
@XCC23 2 года назад
There's always mechanics meant to wipe you in raids. Everyone does this on prog once they realise that they've fucked up and the boss will kill them. Either a tank invulns through the attack or you layer defensive cds on them so you get to see what the next few mechs are.
@fare-5174
@fare-5174 2 года назад
I can't believe people are twisting bugfixes as a negative for WoW now. SE had 8 years to fix Twintania, and yet the geodata abuse is still up, even after Scripe went in and did the fight legit. How is broken bosses a positive now?
@xastielmuffinz3047
@xastielmuffinz3047 2 года назад
a video reacting to a reaction of reaction reactception
@Ndoelicious
@Ndoelicious 2 года назад
Echo is the best
@lucieeger2719
@lucieeger2719 2 года назад
React Andys meta
@Willias
@Willias 2 года назад
Dungeon journal is hot garbage and should straight up be removed from WoW.
@Chrisfragger1
@Chrisfragger1 2 года назад
ReactCeption, lol...
@Chrisfragger1
@Chrisfragger1 2 года назад
NO Game company should rely on players to test their content before release.
@Fenzlx
@Fenzlx 2 года назад
reactception
@JLOGIAC
@JLOGIAC 2 года назад
PTR is a lazy move from developer specially billion dollar company like blizz ,what I know is CBT not Public it's stupid
@darkevilazn
@darkevilazn 2 года назад
Can you imagine the WoW devs playing their own game to test their own raids? Parish the thought. That's impossible. They would never play their own game. Not to mention, weeks of PTR testing, and they still have hotfixes.
@fernwogteveril6935
@fernwogteveril6935 2 года назад
Reaction to a reaction of a reaction in a reaction, wtf is this
@tttt-dx2nu
@tttt-dx2nu 2 года назад
8 players, how fun a game
@g8le
@g8le 2 года назад
How to milk content 101
@wiped4489
@wiped4489 2 года назад
Do something original FFS! Somebody reacting to someone else who's reacting to someone reacting to thing.
@vc4961
@vc4961 2 года назад
Limit are cheats
@kennyl215
@kennyl215 2 года назад
Wth is this. A reaction to a reaction of a reaction video. People need to actually put out a original content.
@Dwayneff
@Dwayneff 2 года назад
As someone who loves ff14. The endgame is just not on par with wows. Ion hazzikotas is a genius when it comes to boss design and raids. Ff14 in my opinion can't compete with wows endgame. Story? Ff14 smokes wow all day long.
@Impressionwow
@Impressionwow 2 года назад
I know you’re trying to get your money and all, but watching a guy watch a guys video isn’t really entertaining to me lol
@josipcavar5971
@josipcavar5971 2 года назад
So dont watch lol some ppl want to see this,if you dont just dont
@Impressionwow
@Impressionwow 2 года назад
@@josipcavar5971 most people sub to the best GM in the world to see high end content, not for react content. Its a valid criticism.
@marcelinojunkemail5927
@marcelinojunkemail5927 2 года назад
All I hear is is EU tears why an American game starts earlier than foreign countries. Sure it sucks, but what does the price of rice in China have to do with the logistics of running a game company. Especially start date for a foreign region. No fanboy here, just simple science.
@darius8652
@darius8652 2 года назад
rice is physical. patch can be automated. not even the same thing. logic please. it been proven in other games like ff14.
@cloudstrife2131
@cloudstrife2131 2 года назад
Microsoft will teach Blizzard how to release a digital product
@debatinghealer
@debatinghealer 2 года назад
@@cloudstrife2131 i mean microsoft is just going to be the publishers
@ZodaSoda
@ZodaSoda 2 года назад
@@debatinghealer Depends, Blizzards issues have always been shitty Producers, you know the job thats suppose to make sure the product is actually decent and well made before it goes out, Microsoft can easily keep Blizzard essentially the same and just replace a few Producers or even 1 Executive Producer who would actually be like, yeah no this is shit, fix it. Not even joking sometimes thats all it takes, a Producer with the correct knowledge and experience.
@gregthomson2299
@gregthomson2299 2 года назад
Lol. You say simple science, then speak about time not being an issue. You doing science for the CDC?
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