"John Doe spent years writing these notebooks. Horrible things, terrible things. Things you couldn't pay me to say. But you read this in my voice anyway."
The only part of the movie where we get a feel of how a serial killer thinks. Sure, the scene in the car towards the end had dialogue, but this in my opinion was what showed me what John Doe really was like. Brilliant.
I actually wrote Freeman's monologue from the journal reading in my own school journal way way back in my day just after this came out. I got sent to the principal's office and they had the guidance counselor attempt to do an evaluation on me. They had no idea it was simply an excerpt from an incredible film.....and I couldn't stop laughing.
"On the subway today, a man came up to me to start a conversation. He made small talk, a lonely man talking about the weather and other things. I tried to be pleasant and accommodating, but my head hurt from his banality. I almost didn't notice it had happened, but I suddenly threw up all over him. He was not pleased, and I couldn't stop laughing." I feel him.
Thing I love about this movie is you never see anything, you only see or hear the aftermath, all the murders John commits you don't see apart from Johns own death, even this scene leaves it to your imagination his little meeting on the subway with this stranger, nothing is creepier than your own imagination and this is why this film is so horrifying, absolute classic, this one encounter of meeting this guy on the subway gives ya a glimpse of how warped John is, always in my top 3 films of all time.
Yes, the audience never knows anything more than the detectives and the exposition unfolds through their investigation and uncovering of Jon Doe's bread crumb trail.
"What sick ridiculous puppets we are and What a gross little stage we dance on What fun we have dancing and fucking Not a care in the world Not knowing that we are nothing We are not what was intended"
As i recall: reception of this movie was mixed. I seem to recall alot of critics giving it side eye because they thought it was trying to ride The Silence of the Lambs' coat tails. Others thought it was trying too hard to be dark and edgy. And some hated the depressing, bleak ending. As has been the case with many cult classics...i dont think this film really got its critical due until a number of years after its release
@jonathanbirch2022I don’t think Se7en was _mimicking_ The Silence Of The Lambs, they perhaps have some similarities, but the Batman was absolutely mimicking Se7en… in some ways directly copying.
my pain is sharp and constant... my reflection is no connection to myself... I do not wish for a better world for anyone... I want to inflict my pain on to others... this realization has not brought me any closer to understanding myself... I see the devil laughing as he spreads his wings...
I love this part of the movie. In fact it's my favorite scene simply because it shows us just how narcissistic John Doe truly is and gives us a glimpse into his way of thinking and how he lives. Creepy imagining him laughing as it says in the notebook, with as dark and narcissistic as he is I can only imagine his laughter being creepy and dark just as he himself is! Thanks for uploading this :-)
@@AstonishingSodApe exactly!!! His psyche would be a movie in itself, which by the way would be awesome to have a prequel and see John Doe picking his victims out, see his world from his point of view. Get an inside look into his life and see not only how he thinks, but how he lives, how he is in day to day activities, his interactions with people, and lastly see him writing the notebooks. Also would be interesting to see what lead him to commit these crimes, is he a deeply religious person? Did his mother or father instill this into him as a child? Just so many questions that a prequel could answer. This has always, ALWAYS, been my favorite part just because it shows us a glance into his life and just how demented and narcissistic he is.
It's interesting how different people make different interpretations of the same material. I interpret John Doe's writing here and in fact his entire effort portrayed in the film, as a realistic attempt by the writer to present the serious idea that what John Doe thinks about humanity is actually true. An appropriate conclusion about the lives of humans. "Humans really are - insert John Doe's thoughts here". John Doe has realised that we just fool ourselves that our lives are other.
This has always, ALWAYS, been my favorite part just because it shows us a glance into his life and just how demented and narcissistic he is. His psyche would be a movie in itself, which by the way would be awesome to have a prequel and see John Doe picking his victims out, see his world from his point of view. Get an inside look into his life and see not only how he thinks, but how he lives, how he is in day to day activities, his interactions with people, and lastly see him writing the notebooks. Also would be interesting to see what lead him to commit these crimes, is he a deeply religious person? Did his mother or father instill this into him as a child? Just so many questions that a prequel could answer.
"who i am means absolutely nothing" that what John Doe said to Detective Somerset, also he said " i am not special i have never been exceptional" to detective Mills, Christianity sees the self negatively, i doubt that the guy was narcissist, but he was fanatic, saw himself as a tool for his religious beliefs nothing else, he even sacrificed himself for it
@@vksasdgaming9472 we're talking about a guy that leaves clues and puzzles at his crime scenes because he wants to prove he's smarter than everyone else (and he kinda is in that movie because Batman and the cops are written incredibly dumb, but that's a different thing). Point is, the riddler is an inherently excentric character, so running him through the grim-darkificator is not only a silly excercise, it kinda strips him of a personality. He's just mix of john doe and the zodiac killer.
@@jazbeck My guess is that it was originally different film and bigchiefs said they wanted it as Batman-film. Riddler is not averse of murder and it was real fresh take on him.
Another scene that shows how out of touch Mills really was. Hundreds of notebooks with random thoughts and recollections written in them...and he expects to find evidence of the 3 crimes in most if not all of them. Dude should've stayed a beat cop instead of tryin to be a detective.
@@AstonishingSodApe Given that "Joker" directed by Todd Phillips was more of a psychological thriller than a supervillain movie. I think David Fincher would have done a splendid job if he got to make a joker movie or a batman movie. Batman and Joker are basically the characters that have complex psychological state of minds. I think David Fincher has a way of exploring that kind of personality. Ok, i will stop talking about David Fincher directing a DC movie.
That's what? Approximately 5 years total years of writing if he was able to maintain a pace of 40 wpm? If he wrote for 12 hours a day every day for 10 years at that same pace.
Here's the crazier thing: Those aren't just prop books. They're not blank, they're actually filled with writing. The guy who was in charge of set details like that went way above the call of duty putting them together. There's a video on youtube where he talks about putting them together.
_What sick ridiculous puppets we are and what gross little stage we dance on. _*_What fun we have making selfies all day and getting likes._*_ Not a care in the world. Not knowing that we are nothing. We are not what was intended._
@@TheAllSeeingEye2468 Those are Composition notebooks you can buy them for about $2-3 in 2024. They were about $1 or less in the 1990s. They are sturdy and great for journaling. Buying over time he was not spending a lot of money.
"On RU-vid today I watched a generic centralist nerd channel who's host engaged in tepid script about _Avatar: The Way of Water_ and discussed why they allowed themselves to believe something that was so pap was supposedly good. I tried to be courteous and accommodating and continued to watch the dreary content but my head began to hurt. I almost didn't notice at the time but I ended-up leaving a comment being derogative about the hosts inability to distinguish between something authentically good and latest slop churned out from the circus wing of globalism. The normie apologists and fanboys were triggered and I couldn't stop laughing."
I must say that John Doe`s notebooks are beautifully neat, ordered and carefully constructed things. Way better than say Kurt Cobain`s journals which i found rather childish and often poorly maintained.
Neat? Ordered? Did you listen to Somerset? “No dates, placed on the shelves with no discernible order. Just his mind poured out on paper.” Also, look at where he lives. He is anything but.
Do you guys actually think this movie is real? It's a, story, your litually adding facts to a made up story. Fu king weird. You are the people he is talking about in this scene. Acting like know alls when there is nothing to know. This is ironic.
Kurt was a passionate dude who flirted with his breaking point, the fact his journals are childish is a testament to what a depressed person is going through
If you found this scene impressive, you're going to love watching this 8min video of how they made each notebook by hand 🤟 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-2lRn9ybQej0.html
