Seeker-Sensitive Heretics | Charles Finney, Billy Graham, & Andy Stanley 

Yes and no. As a man in his mid thirties I’ve volunteered to step up and lead many of things including a few different start up ministries in my last church that was open to lady preachers only to be shut down several times. But when the women started ministries it was always received with open arms. Men of the past might have been weak. But men of today are often not the same but they are just often told to sit down you had your turn.

”This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;“ ‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭3‬:‭1‬-‭2‬ ‭KJV‬‬ Women are not supposed to hold any position in the church

@@michaelclark2458 Get out of churches that allow women to preach. That is the issue. Let's pour our time, effort and money into churches and organizations that have a proper understanding of the roles of men and women.

@@hisservants8003 I did. I served faithfully there for 10 years. When I first went they did not allow lady preachers. That came later. I was the main objector to it being introduced. A cursory read through Revelation 2-3 teaches clearly that some are called to faithfully remain and obey in a church who is becoming apostate. But there also comes a time when you must leave. Shortly after the birth of my son I started looking. I didn’t want him exposed to it. If it was just me and my wife I may have stayed longer to rebuke the false doctrine of lady preachers. I loved them enough to stay and be a true witness longer than I would have if I hadn’t previously built connections and fellowship.

I totally agree! Where are the biblical males? Where are the Bible only churches? Why are there 'new testament only ' churches?

it's valid tho

Click bait, of course they never discussed any of them. Webbon is pandering.

I had the same thought. There are miles of difference between Billy Graham and Andy Stanley.

Doesn’t Andy Stanley think Muslims will be saved then?

Wild is probably not the correct adjective! Maybe an extremely UNJUST comparison!

Same. What happened? Thanks.

This is a continuation from a previous episode on those men specifically I believe.

@@samueljimenez7420could you link us to it?

Very good to hear. You deserve respect for standing up for what is right. Even when it costs you.

Glory be to God for giving you eyes to see and ears to hear.

I am so happy to hear that the Holy Spirit is leading you to follow His word, not the culture. Bless you sister.

Praise God for Godly women wanting to please God rather than other women and or ignorant men! Now as far as you stepping down from this position, I am not o sure that anything was that wrong with it as you were working with children and directing all that. As a Godly man I don't see you as head of the church in this position or preaching in the pulpit every Sunday morning and trying to teach men every Wednesday night??? Not too sure about this decision BUT I can tell you that the women "headship" you are under is DEFINITELY NOT BIBLICAL! I pray that The Holy Spirit continues to lead you in every way and HE continues to fill the voids you may have. Bless you Sister! ;-) In JESUS' NAME!

Your church has no pastor and those women do not love God or else they would not be in those positions

Extremely frustrating, ain't it. The government is not your friend and has no true good intentions for you.

Or even your neighborhood HOA!

#metoo

Came to the comment section to say the same.

Well, the conversation was more of an explanation of how these particular individuals, along with a plethora of others, have operated their Lord’s Day worship service in a way that has completely missed the mark in terms of how God has instructed His people to worship on Sundays and to draw near to Him. These particular names are huge names that have contributed to the disfunction of the modern evangelical Lord’s day worship service, so the discussion was actually explaining why/ how that is.

@@caitlynyoung1402, the discussion indeed had value, but it was not as advertised: “SEEKER SENSITIVE HERETICS: CHARLES FINNEY, BILLY GRAHAM, & ANDY STANLEY”. I like this channel, but they should do better.

Agreed, there is plenty of evidence available to justify the title of this video. Too bad it wasn’t organized and presented as advertised. Lots of people need to know the truth.

wait, what? Catechizing was a Protestant thing first???? Please can you give me a good source on this??? I am in seminary but haven't taken my church history classes yet and would love to understand this!

I've heard quite a few evangelicals say the same. It's disheartening.

There is absolutely no extended conversation about Billy Graham amd the international Seminary Movement his leadership has birthed in tge last 80 years at: Fuller Theological Seminary (Pasadena, CA ) and Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary (Boston, Massachusetts. Very misleading.

Thanks for your comment. Now I won't waste my time trying to find what is their problem with Billy Graham.

Truly appreciated

Really appreciate that!!

😂

Correct me if i'm wrong but I sense a Calvinistic bent in OP . Don't get me wrong, I'm not one to 'throw anyone under the bus' as far as their individual salvation, but I'm disturbed by certain Calvinists who judge me as 'unsaved' because I don't adhere to 5pts.

you're not saved because you're not a 5 pointer, you're just inconsistent lol

@@jalapeno.tabasco Nevertheless I HATE Calvinism

@@longstreet2740 you hate the idea what God unconditionally chooses who to save?

Ever since I heard talk of Finny being heretical I have searched out many hours of his matarial and am yet to find a single thing. To credit finny with errors done by others a century later is a most dishonest misrepresentation. To do so is to bear false witness.

True. They often say true things, but sometimes they are nuttier than a squirrel turd lol

Thank you for bringing this to our attention. We will take a look

Should be fixed but you'll have to download the new episode. Had to delete the old one. Here is a direct link: podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/theology-applied/episodes/THE-FRIDAY-SPECIAL---Seeker-Sensitive-Heretics--Charles-Finney--Billy-Graham---Andy-Stanley-e2ft2fe/a-aavl9fi

@@RightResponseMinistries Thank you, I appreciate it.

What is "Hostorocal" ? LoL

@@danjohnson887Was going to go to the dictionary on that one too.

He clearly just misspelled historical

@@danjohnson887 Dah, Dan, it was a typo "Historical" , didn't you observe that ?

@@danjohnson887 It appears to be a common typo in that both the i and o on the keyboard are next to each other. Instead of mocking someone, why not politely bring it to the commenter's attention so they can edit it?

You MUST!

Hey @Burnak7383 - I’m replacing this weeks with a higher quality as the stream today was real bad quality. I temporarily made the stream file public for you to try and finish it up but I’ll be replacing it as soon as an export is done. Last weeks is up - the file from Sunday had worship on it and needed to be replaced as well. I’ll double check that it’s on the playlist. Also, thanks for letting me know about the website - I’ll take a look! - Nathan

Thank you!!

Save your money! This smug lot don't need it. They're mistaken about how hard it is for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle.

He's definitely arrogant and close minded. He talks down on everyone that disagrees with him. He demonstrated this very clearly in his video with redeemed zoomer on evolution

The western world 2024

That tells you all you need to know about him.

@@ReformedBelieverSince96Actually it doesn’t.

@@delbert372 Actually it does. If Hollywood loves a preacher of the gospel, then something is terribly wrong with his preaching and witness. The world will hate those who are truly standinf for Christ & the gospel. One who is truly light in the world will be despised by the darkness. Now go read your Bible.

​@@delbert372do some research on him then. He was a Judas goat

His old sermons in black and white are the best. 1970’s after are pretty average

I thought so too but he worked with some demonic people and he taught some iffy things

He got compromised and controlled 😪 i think he started out with good intentions.

Billy Graham was a heretic who taught a false gospel. I recommend the book Billy Graham and his Friends by Cathy Burns.

Probably a reference to the Robert schuler interview.

@Pastor_Grant yeah, I think he's talked about that on another show b4.

Yes, he was. He preached “say the sinner’s prayer”, not the Gospel. Likewise, he and his son both yoked with the most notoriously false teachers who existed/exist.

@patrickc3419 just because you disagree with him doesn't make him a heretic. These are your opinions, not objective truth.

@@timcummiskey1178 who would excommunicate him? Billy didn't go / attend church, nor did he have a plurality of elders who could hold him accountable or am I wrong?

😅 makes sense now. I was trying to figure out who are these folks and what’s their angle. “Reformed” kinda tells me all I need to know. Thanks w

Then go be a Catholic. Have at it. There are heresies and they need to be confronted.

@@benq.3653 them using a term “heretic” so freely is a good warning sign for me anyway. Every denomination (sect) of Christianity guilty of this but so called “reformed” are high up there among some of the most arrogant ones. I can’t speak about the other two guys in the video but I know enough about Billy that I would be very uneasy (to put it mildly) calling him “heretic”.

@@benq.3653 well unless I’m wrong about this but I’m pretty sure when it comes to the sacraments they would be heretical by most Christian orthodoxy. I mean would they let anybody who was baptized as an infant take communion? Or would they require another baptism?

For their big brains

big brain dawgy

wow like you 1 to 1. I am so glad that you wrote that. Like you just gave voice to my thought which i could not put into words. I agree with you completely :D

Feeling emotions toward Christ and His gospel is simply not the same thing as the emotional manipulation being discussed here. Manipulation means or at least implies that you wouldn't be correctly having those reactions without the manipulative aspects.

I don't think they're trying to assert that having an emotional response in worship or prayer or reading God's Word is wrong or fake at all, or that it's even mutually exclusive with what's true. They don't seem to be saying that an emotional response is always manipulated. But they're pointing out that particularly in modern worship, there is a formulated push to manipulate an emotional response that isn't genuine or tied to a true knowledge of Who God is and the message of the Gospel. Emotion is a natural part of your relationship with God, and the congregation's relationship with God and each other. With that said, it should come about to emphasize, and as a result of, our knowledge of God and what He has done for us. Not from the hype of the crowd, a combination of musical chords, lights and smoke, and the rest.

Emotional manipulation and emotions are two different things. One is biblical one is evil

it’s weird that people say that reformed folks are prideful but reformed preaching is the most God centered and holds God’s sovereignty to the highest degree

Billy Graham taught a false gospel.

Graham especially.

Exactly. 😂 there is no real regeneration and when they grow up they.deny Christ.

@@benq.3653 Scots Confession, Chapter 21: "...And so we utterly condemn the vanity of those who affirm the sacraments to be nothing else than naked and bare signs. No, we assuredly believe that by Baptism we are engrafted into Christ Jesus, to be made partakers of his righteousness, *by which our sins are covered and remitted..."* Nicene Creed: "We acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins;" Westminster 1646, Chapter 28: Baptism is a sacrament of the New Testament, ordained by Jesus Christ, not only for the solemn admission of the party baptized into the visible Church but also to be unto him a sign and seal of the covenant of grace, of his ingrafting into Christ, *of regeneration,* of remission of sins," It would be incorrect to deny baptismal regeneration as a Presbyterian according to both of these confessions.

We presbyterians believe in infant baptism but not in baptismal regeneration.

@@jamesers99 my comment appears to have been deleted but yes, Presbyterians believe in baptismal regeneration. I had sections from the Scots confession and the Creeds but they got deleted. I hope this will suffice: "Baptism is a sacrament of the New Testament, ordained by Jesus Christ, not only for the solemn admission of the party baptized into the visible Church; but also to be unto him a sign and seal of the covenant of grace, of his ingrafting into Christ, of *regeneration,* of remission of sins..." (WCF, 28- Of Baptism) Baptism saves us. Baptism regenerates us. That's the orthodox reformed view.

@@jamesers99 "Baptism is not only a sign of profession, and mark of difference, whereby Christian men are discerned from others that be not christened, but it is also a sign of *Regeneration or New-Birth,* whereby, as by an instrument, they that receive Baptism rightly are grafted into the Church; the promises of the forgiveness of sin, and of our adoption to be the sons of God by the Holy Ghost," (39 Articles, Article 27). "Baptism is a sacrament of the New Testament, ordained by Jesus Christ, not only for the solemn admission of the party baptized into the visible Church; but also to be unto him a sign and seal of the covenant of grace, of his ingrafting into Christ, *of regeneration, of remission of sins,"* (WCF, Chapter 28, Of Baptism). "...All these things are assured by baptism. *For inwardly we are regenerated, purified, and renewed* by God through the Holy Spirit and outwardly we receive the assurance of the greatest gifts in the water," (Second Helvetic Confession, Chapter 20). "And so we utterly condemn the vanity of those who affirm the sacraments to be nothing else than naked and bare signs. No, we assuredly believe that *by Baptism we are engrafted into Christ Jesus, to be made partakers of his righteousness, by which our sins are covered and remitted,"* (Scots Confession, Chapter 21). The reformed view is baptismal regeneration.

Graham was a wicked heretic.

I definitely have. He advocated Christian perfectionism, had a wonky view of the Trinity, and was infatuated with denying original sin and substitutionary atonement. All of which are basic and fundamental Christian beliefs.

He was a heretic who sought to bring the whole of protestantism back under the control of Mother Rome.

Why all the laughs dude? You type rebuttals like a 14 year old. Be better.

He was a total wolf.