The Rapture And Postmillennialism Explained | with Jeff Durbin 

As a pre-mill guy....i thought Jeff's arguement saying "the end of days" does not mean end of the world but means the end of the old covenant was quite a compelling argument.

Those who hold to postmillennialism believe that this world will become better and better (even though it certainly doesn't look like it is) with the entire world eventually becoming “Christianized.” After this happens, Christ will return. However, this is not the view of the world in the end times that Scripture presents. From the book of Revelation, it is easy to see that the world will be a terrible place during that future time. Also, in 2nd Timothy 3:1-5 it says, “There will be terrible times in the LAST days. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God." IF Christians and thereby Christ were reigning, do we really think we would have over a billion Muslims, who view Jesus as a prophet right below Mohamad, a billion Buddhists, who believe Jesus was an enlightened person, a billion Hindus, who believe Jesus studied yoga and became a guru to the Jews, a billion Catholics who are entrusting their souls to Mary at the hour of their death, a billion atheists, the LGBTQ running rampant, TV shows and movies, that continually blaspheme God and His Christ, drinking, drugs, and colleges that have become propaganda mills that promote Godless, Big-bang theology and Darwinian Evolution, human trafficking, and a host of other sinful deeds that will be eliminated during the reign of Jesus Christ, our Holy God. This is a good example of eisegesis; reading pre-conceived ideas into the text, rather than simply reading what the text is clearly stating.

Great thing about discussions like this, is we all still worship Jesus Christ and He is the only salvation. but just disagree with some things among ourselves.

I like how post mill is very optimistic. I don’t see post mill at all when I read the scriptures and don’t know how anyone can see post mill in faithful interpretation but hey what the heck do I know…

I have been binge watching pastor Jeff Durbin's videos recently. I was raised premillenial and currently attend a church that holds to that view. I am now reconsidering. The arguments for the postmillenial view are very strong. I have also been reading through revelation daily, and it does seem to fit the postmillenial view. Like pastor Jeff said, you have to set aside your own preconceived notions, and what you've been taught and let the text speak for itself.

The earliest spiritual descendants of the apostles (Papias, Polycarp, etc.) were all historical futurist premillennial in their understanding of eschatology. I would love to hear Jeff or Joel’s rebuttal to this fact and how they reconcile their eschatological system in light of this.

I really like the following 2 verses. 👉 “For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; and, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.” ‭‭Colossians‬ ‭1‬:‭19‬-‭20‬ ‭.

I am listening, have looked back through all of the Scripture references presented. I have not changed my position. Jeff and others that share this view...fine. no need to break fellowship. There are positions, I personally think his interpretation is the problem. I am not here to cause division, or to debate. I do enjoy learning other interpretation. It keeps me challenged to stay in the word studying myself. Ultimately I want to be a Berean,, and test any teaching against the Scripture, understanding than anyone can use the Scripture to take you on a journey that may not be the correct path or conclusion. In my opinion, his opinion in eschatology is incoherent. I do notice he downplays prophecy, by "highly symbolic". I agree Revelation is highly symbolic as it uses Symbolism to tell of future events.

The Kingdom is here Spiritually in the hearts of believers. The Kingdom is coming physically on earth from Israel when they look on Him whom they pierced. If the full Kingdom was here now, why would Jesus teach us to pray "Your Kingdom come".

It's been two thousand years. Has the spiritual life of mankind gotten better or worse since Jesus left to sit at the Father's right hand? I just don't see it having gotten better at all. God bless you guys. Really appreciate this channel ❤

Post-trib pre-wrath rapture here. I’m premillennial, but listening to Pastor Joel has piqued my curiosity and I’m diving back into eschatology again to revisit my understanding.

I believe we are and have been in last days since the days of jesus

These guys are so smart! We need to be careful to not let worldly circumstances dictate our view on God's timeless and perfect Word.

It's interesting how we all have different paths in our thinking. I was raised post. I prayed one day for clarity and I came to find dispensational premillenialism. In my eyes, that made the book make more sense than it ever had before.

Appreciate this conversation as this is something I struggle with as a calvinist. What do you do with the millennial temple mentioned in Ezekiel? The sacrifices described there? I don't think you can spiritualize that. That's one of my main hangups. Also, why start the conversation with discouraging people from reading Revelation by making it seem like it's too difficult to understand. I think that's part of the whole council of God and we need to encourage people to read it, matter of fact God promises a blessing to those who read and understand it. God means what he says and says what he means.

I love Brother Jeff and many many of the things that he teaches I agree with but on this subject, He is incorrect. We are living in prophetic times and in the last days. The Bible tells it very clearly and Jesus will rule for eternity

It is important to realize what John the Baptist meant by the kingdom. Where would he get the idea of the kingdom and its characteristics? From the OT. The OT describes a kingdom where there is a supernatural temple, where the animal life lives in harmony, where the nations will go up to Jesusalem to celebrate Succot and much more. This is what he was expecting. Swords into plowshares.

If you’re struggling with planting your feet on this matter and you’re scanning the comments, it’s probably not the best idea. I don’t say this to discourage you whatsoever, but since you’re struggling, I want you to really do your research; more so than diving into a comment thread. Grace and peace be with you

Same background as Jeff. Then listening to Doug Wilson, Gary Demar, others that takes these scriptures click into place whereas before those scriptures kinda leaves one hanging .. great discussion! Thank you!

I was never taught Rapture of any kind...our little church taught and preached about God's Love, Mercy and Grace. Salvation was front and center and living the Christian life..never anything on escaping the End of Days Trials and Tribulation by being Caught Up in a Rapture...❤

I believe the abnormal growth of the mustard seed to the point fowls of the air lodge in it and the levan in the bread aren't good things refers to the growth of sin, not the kingdom.

Behold! He's coming with the clouds! And every eye shall be blind with his glory! Every ear shall be stricken deaf to hear the thunder of his voice!

26:52 so when we sight the verse about his ascension saying that "all power in heaven and on earth has been given to me", are we implying that before this moment Jesus did not have all power in both heaven and on earth? When I read that our God sits in the heavens and does all that he pleases, I read he is Sovereignly ruling all things just as he was when he spoke light into darkness. Also really need a definition of kingdom from Jeff or someone who holds his view. I think eschatology is the only area that I find myself unable to find complete confidence. I am premill and will continue to be until I am given solid reasons not to be. Being premill has never caused me to be on pause looking up for his arrival, but has given me many reasons to move forward in hope knowing no matter how it looks now (better or worse) that he will either come for me or call me home.

Amen Jeff, exactly what I have been saying. The Disciples in Jerusalem understood there was a major real estate crash in THEIR near future. When I read "the end times" the Holy Spirit started whispering to my mind, "the end of what?".

very exciting. since i changed from premil to postmil i keep forming visions in my mind of what could change in this world. outstanding message.

Trying not to text a book here, however: Thanks for the discussion, though i am still very much a "premillinial rapture" believer. The verses and views presented could most easily be twisted or bent in either direction. Nothing presented was very solid for defending post-millennialism. Many verses and ideas were left out that support premillinialism. Just a couple points to be made: The false profit and the beast were cast into the lake of fire and Satan was chained for a thousand years. Daniel speaks of 70 weeks of years focusing on Israel and not the church. Those aren't finished , there is still one more week left to be dealt with before Jesus' mellinial reign - that you say we're currently already in. When did the 144,000 male jews prophesy? When were the two prophets killed and left in the street for 3.5 days? When do the sheep and goat judgments take place? When did the abomination of desolation happen again.? Do children lay down with the lions right now? And i don't mean inside the lions stomach. When did the world almost destroy all living flesh? As per Mark 13:20 “Unless the Lord had shortened those days, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect, whom He chose, He shortened the days. The dry bones prophesies of Ezekiel speak of bringing the Jews back from the diaspora, four corners of the Earth in the last days. We all know that happened in 1948. This is most certainly before the millennium not during. In the millennium Jesus rules with an iron rod, However he's not doing so well, things are as bad or worse than any other time in mans history. You think Jesus woukd have things in a littke bit more order. Stephen, the first martyr gave the pharisees a dying testimony of how the jews kept blowing it. The first time they always get it wrong but the second time they get it right. Ie., The first time Jesus came he came as a lamb to the slaughter and the jews got it wrong and rejected him. They thought he was going to establish his earthly kingdom. But the second time he comes he comes as a lion and after the jewish nation calls on Jesus (whom they will now have realized was their messiah, their savior) he fullfills daniels 70th week prophesies and defeats his enemies, coming as a conqueror and does establish his EARTHLY 1000 year kingdom. As the old jewish customs of marriage and weddings go, the church is the bride of Christ. The Father tells the son when to get his bride. Nobody, not even the son knows the day or the hour. If we are already ruling with Christ in his melinnium when did Jesus gather the bride? When and where did we have our marriage supper (wedding celebration). When was the church caught up or gathered? No one knows the day or the hour. The bridesmaids were told to have their wicks trimmed and to be ready, lest they be left behind. Ready for what if we're alreading enjoying the mellinial reign of Christ? Jesus hasn't come back yet he stands at the right hand of the Father. He is not yet reigning on Davids throne. He told the thief on the cross "today you will be with me in paradise" not "today you will be with me as i reign for a thousand years on David's throne" And btw, its already been two thousand years since Jesus rose, how do you know when this "mellinial" reign began or when it will finnish? We are all followers ofJesus our Christ, and our Messiah here. We believe in him and accept his free gift of forgiveness for our sins and are therefore saved. I understand we'll never agree on everything this side of eternity. And as long as we understand and agree on issues of salvation we have no major divisions. This is not by any means close to an exhaustive list of why I dont agree with you on your postmellinial views. There are doctorines all throughout the bible that fall apart if you subscribe to the post mellinialism viewpoint. Peace and unity in Christ, A brother from another mother

This was excellent! Thank you for having this discussion. I was pre millennial, but now post millennial through my studying and allowing God show me through scripture interpreting scripture. The peace and joy that passes all understanding is growing within me to share with others.

I watched Robert Breaker's explanation of the difference between Kingdom of God vs Heaven and it makes a lot of sense.

Nobody ever presents Isaiah 26:19-21 in these discussions. Your dead will live; Their corpses will rise. You who lie in the dust, awake and shout for joy, For your dew is as the dew of the dawn, And the earth will give birth to the departed spirits. (The dead in Christ will rise 1st. then we that remain..) Come, my people, enter into your rooms (Not go, no, 'COME' my people.. that where I am you may be also) And close your doors behind you; (Rev 4:1 a door standing open in heaven.., and the voice said, “Come up here) Hide for a little while Until indignation runs its course. (This indignation is God's wrath,,, Tribulation) For behold, the LORD is about to come out from His place (He is about to come, after His people are safe) To punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity; And the earth will reveal her bloodshed And will no longer cover her slain. (This is the tribulation... God punishing the world.

I didn’t hear anything about the rapture of the church… Also, I guess I’m a pre-mil guy based on growing up in modern America; but if Jesus Kingdom is now and things are not supposed to be degrading and moving towards the end times and what appears in Revelation, what does it mean when scripture talks about Satan being the prince of “this world” and us as a church being told not to be apart of this world, and Jesus himself saying that His kingdom is not of this world? As well as Jesus making statements like give unto Caesar what is Caesar’s and give to God what is God’s? Im just a bit confused and would appreciate some elaboration on these points in view of the Post-mil viewpoint.

Thank you Joel for mentioning the cessationist + futurist inconsistency...I've been aware of this lack of scriptural rigor for some time now and haven't heard it addressed much

As others have stated, I also appreciate his views as they challenge me to study and stay sharp. There are a number of reasons that I cannot get behind post millenialism. #1 many of my life experiences make very clear that the book of revelation is definitely not "only" symbolic. The Millennial kingdom is an enormous Golden city that Jesus creates and it comes down from the sky. Before I knew anything about the Bible God gave me many prophetic visions of what it to come and the main one was this Megalithic crystal city of light that would be on the earth. That's not a metaphor. Jesus comes through the east gate, this hasn't happened yet. There are many others but one that is personal to me is that before I was born again I had a girlfriend who was reading the necronomicon with me. I had no idea what it was but it was causing an enormous amount of supernatural phenomena. It was opening celestial gateways as we would read it and poltergeist like stuff was happening. It culminated one night when she had me hold my breath as she hugged me and I felt a pop above my head. All of a sudden we both could sense something flying over head. Over the course of a minute it became very clear to both of us in our minds eyes and it even began to physically manifest and create visual distortions like the invisibility cloak of the predator movie. Anyway both of us clearlt saw that this demonic entity that was the size of a 747 had the body of a leopard, the talons of an eagle, the wings of an eagle, it had a weird human man head with long blonde hair it had the legs of a lion and a bear if ai remember correctly. It also had armor on and most importantly a scorpion tail. It began to attack us and it eventually stung my ex gf in the heart and she dropped to the floor and was unconscious for 30 minutes. It took me 11 years to figure out that this was the locusts fron the abyss spoken about in revelation. My point is, revelation is definitely literal in many aspects.

Everything makes more sense when you look at the kingdom of heaven and the kingdom of God separately - as they are two different kingdoms! Things fall into place all by themselves: The kingdom of God is already among us and the kingdom of heaven is the coming earthly rule of Jesus on the throne of David in Jerusalem. John the Baptist announced the KoH, but Israel refused. They always mess up on the first try. It will be established on his second coming.

One problem I’m having is that when the beast and the false prophet are cast alive into the lake of fire, and Satan is bound for 1000 years immediately after this, Jesus sets his kingdom on this earth, and rules and rates for 1000 years

I love your ministry. I am a silver pier patreon member, I just signed up to be a member of the online ministry I look forward to the book, and I am now a post millennialist. Keep up God's assignment for you. It is truly appreciated. May God watch over and bless your loved ones, ministry members, friends and you 🙏❤️

My biggest problem is what Paul means when he says that the Jews will be regrafted in after the full number of Gentiles have been saved. Post mill relies on the Church and the Jews to be referenced as the same in prophecy but this contradicts that.

Thanks for this talk and please keep it up. Growing up in a pre millennial church I was deathly scared of the end times. I was tempted to look for gaults gulch and wait for the rapture.

We live in a world where war and turmoil continue. How does this present age reflect the lion and the lamb lie down together and swords are turned into plowshears? The now but not yet seems to reflect much better the reality of the last two thousand years. 🤷🏽‍♂️

If he’s reigning now, Israel should have the temple and him sitting on it. And all people of the world should be paying homage to him to him.

Thank you brothers , keep up the Godly work!

Jeff Durbin was a big influence in me becoming postmill. For anyone interested, I’d also recommend reading or listening to Kenneth Gentry, RC Sproul, Doug Wilson, and Gary DeMar.

Hallelujah Born Again Pilipinas or Philippines Spiritual revival is coming so very, very near in my nation Philippines in Jesus Christ Holy, Mighty, Great and Powerful name I pray Amen...

This was such a great video. I am presently reading Dr Sproul’s book. Thank you gentlemen for your faithfulness to our Savior Christ Jesus.

I am post mil and a Calvinist. But when Jeff says it pre mil dosent follow history, you could say the same thing about protestantism in general. Not the greatest argument. But I love Jeff Durban, I listen to him very often.

I'm full preterist but love watching Jeff's show. I appreciate most how he is not afraid to speak to people who have different theologies and call them names because they have a different understanding. I guess Dispensational is about as dirty as he gets 😂. I also appreciate how he presents information but is not trying to sell you on his ideas. Nor proclaim his way is the right way. We can learn a lot from the early theologians and doctrines. In the end it is uo to God's people to individually understand what God expects from his people and how to translate that into everyday life. ❤

Wow I loved this video. Definitely a post millennialist now. I held the pre because that's what I was brought up on. When something makes perfect sense. You can't just deny it or overlook it because it makes you uncomfortable. This view makes so many things make sense. I don't want to even call it a view i'd say it's the truth.

If youre here on earth and you are a true follower of Christ the promises do come true. Because God protects us. He blesses us. I know i have experienced it. Once living in the chains of addiction. Once God broke me free of these demons. I have started being blessed in so many ways. In the AA program we have promises that God fulfills with each step we complete of the 12 steps. Wow as i write this the gentleman spoke on once Jesus ex spells the demons the kingdom of Heaven is upon you. Yes!!!! Because i had demons till the 12 steps. Which are God inspired. Now im living my best life. Wow this hit me so hard im crying. Thank you

Who are the "rulers of this world" in this verse? Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Pre-Wrath rapture, Pre-millennial it couldn't be plainer if you remove your indoctrination about "the most symbolic book in the bible". Daniel is very symbolic as well.

Who invented the rapture doctrine? 1. John Nelson Darby (Born: November 18, 1800, Died: April 29, 1882, he was an Anglo-Irish Bible teacher, one of the influential figures among the original Plymouth Brethren and the founder of the Exclusive Brethren. Sundridge House, Bournemouth, England). He invented the false doctrine of the Rapture 1830-1833 AD and popularized it in 1850 to which it infected us today. His home was Leap Castle in Ireland’s County Offaly has a tantalizingly haunted history. From deathly trapdoors to dreary dungeons, the castle is known to be one of the most haunted homes in Ireland.

Yeah this was good. I have lots of thoughts but don’t have the effort to argue about themes in this comment. I will say I think the bigger theme o in scripture is that God is the only savior and he needs to intervene to save the world. As he does at the fall, the flood, Babel, Abraham’s call, Joseph’s dreams, the exodus, Jericho, the judges, David’s anointing , the destruction of Sennacherib ‘s army, Cyrus’ decree, Hanukkah (references w in the gospels), the incarnation, the atonement, the coming of the Holy Spirit , the Damascus road, and finally the second coming , which comes BEFORE the millennium according to revelation 20.why would God now suddenly stop intervening to Dave by his own right hand? That’s my thematic argument for dispy premil

We're supposed to make disciples and absolutely. No one can agree on anything. It seems and everyone teaches everything else. And then there's endless stuff that isn't even taught.

I do not understand how anyone could read the Apostle Paul's first letter to the Thessalonians, in which he instructed it to be read aloud to that congregation, and not arrive at the understanding that Paul said to them that some of THEM would still be alive at the coming of the Lord. And that they already understood the times and seasons that they were living in, so that their perspective was perfectly clear. THEY were waiting for the Lord's return while still alive! I don't see how Paul could have been more clear than he was to those people in that letter.

Historical pre-millenialist here, great lesson by Durbin.

As an Amil guy, my chief issues with PM is the optimism in the secular arena. I fear it too closely resembles the Social Gospel movement of the late 19thC. There is lots of emphasis on cultural engagement which was exactly what the Social Gospel of now failed denominations are cautionary tales. If Conversion is accomplished by God, which I believe it is, and true converts are sanctified, then christians will grow in number. I still believe the Lord will have to return to Destroy the enemy finally. My focus should be on Converting the nations. I reject PreMil Dispensationalism because of its escapism.

My father-inlaw was kicked out of his Baptist Church for his Praetorist position. It's a sad state when divisions are created because of eschatology.

Listening to these guyz gives me hope. So grateful... Onward

I could never understand when Jeff Durbin said he believes more people will go to heaven than hell. And as far as his eschatology goes, "we got a lot of work to do"

to most of the people in here... the end times isn't of real concern... make sure your salvation is secure... Make sure you are developing fruits in your life through repentance... Make sure you know the will of the Father... Make sure Jesus knows your name. We never know when our time is up, why would we bank on living to the end times? Make sure you are ready today. This stuff is neat, but let's not dwell on this too much, learn it so you know how to teach others to prepare.

always enjoy jeffs presentation of end times. Even as one that’s moving towards amil. so many astute points.

You have to work awfully hard to prove your point labor-intensive Thessalonians makes it easy. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout With the voice of an Ark Angel and with the Trump of God And the dead in Christ shall rise firstThen we which are live and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord And so shall we ever be with the Lord.. That's so hard you have to beat the bushes to death to get around it The word is true You can't outwit the word of God With your Hyperboly and with yourself proclaim wisdom. We are to comfort each other with these words not Confuse... If you can't accept the rapture are you really saved Or are you trying to create your own outcome The rapture is comfort for those who believe and those who can't accept it I believe are relying on their own salvation within themselves.

Lets not forget that many things in Gods creation are fractal including the bible and It's many prophecies. for instance the letters given to the churches in Asia minor are for both the literal churches in those regions, and also for us as Churches in this generation. So I believe these prophecies about the destruction of Jerusalem and the abomination of desolation were partially fulfilled in AD 70 but still fully need to be fulfilled in the literaly end of the world.

Compare today to 60AD. And before, or even yrs after. We are spoiled rotten. Sure there's evil, but to say these are last days, doesn't even make sense if you know history, even just a Lil bit.

Notice how postmillenialism must always be explained by someone. No one is reading the Bible on their own and coming up with that view. It borders on gnosticism.

If you think pre vs. post you might be less prepared if it ends up being post. Which would our enemy prefer? Why does it really matter? It will be what it will be. Maybe just hope for the best and plan for the worst.

I once heard John MacArthur tell his church "We Lose", in discussing the end times. You could just feel the life being sucked out of the room. It was so hard to listen to. When i read the scriptures, i don't find loss, but victory. We don't lose, we have already won. If we have already won, why would evil completely take over the world? Is the gospel that unsuccessful in his view? For such a faithful man, i just do not understand how he could hold that position. I find it very difficult to remain under pre-mill preaching, when preterism seems so obvious to me.

This was more or less the way it happened to me, even all the scripts you mentioned, and conviction over predicting things I felt that too Jeff. This was a really good watch. God bless you.

I’m pre mill I’d love to hear MacArthur explain premil to Jeff. I love all my reformed pastors but don’t understand why hermeneutics dissolves just for the book of revelation specifically. “The church” isn’t mentioned after chapter 4/5

I've been on both sides of the issue. I finally realized that it didn't really matter. We are in the Great Tribulation now, and we have been since the 1st Century. Scripture describes the tribulations that believers will face; martyrdom, wars, natural disasters, diseases, famines, etc. It's hard to say that all of those terrible things have not been ongoing for the last two millenia upon believers. All of the apostles died as martyrs. More believers were martyred in the 1990's than in every decade in history combined. The Catholic Church killed millions of believers. World War II saw more death than any war in history. We have lived privileged lives in the West, but our time is coming, and we have not been immune from life's trials and suffering either. It's guaranteed. Whether we are taken up before the return of Christ or not really makes no difference when at any time we can be victimized, murdered, die from natural disasters or terrible diseases. My dad died at 63 from organ failure. My sister was killed at 22 in a car crash. She left a one year old baby behind. My losses are nothing exclusive to me. We have all suffered. Life is full of tribulations. The only way out of it is the end of our individual lives in this fallen world. As believers, we are to follow Christ, spread the gospel, and trust in God. I do absolutely love Jeff Durbin. He is a true Shepherd of God's word.

I think a thousand years is a thousand years.

The text doesn't say end of the ild covenant, he is reading jinto the text what he wants

The Post Millennium theory would be the best for this world.

That's one thing I've noticed, that it's a process and i see the world getting better and better every day and justice being established.... oh wait, that would make me insane if i thought the world was getting better in this "process". The world is getting worse not better, i think that has to be pretty obvious.

such an important convo... Postmillennialism is the answer, thanks for shedding light on this my brothers. Salute.

Matthew 24:21-21 , Yahusha says there will be great tribulation like the world has never seen and will never see, he also says if not cut short no human being would be saved. The fall of Jerusalem was rough but nothing like WWII for example. These verses were not fulfilled in 70 AD or in the lifetime of the apostles.

There waiting for the Temple to be built this is my understanding We the Born Again people is the Temple that is being Built for the Truth plus the Battle that We endured for these many years.

There’s so many things that this man has misinterpreted it’s almost impossible to deal with as a summary in a forum commentary. But If he really is someone with intellectual integrity who’s able to change his mind, I would suggest that he put his integrity to the test, and listen to Chuck Missler’s teachings on end times eschatology, and then see if he still believes in post millennialism. But in short the problem is that most all Protestant denominations along with Catholic doctrine have went along Agusta’s reinterpretation to pacify the Roman Government’s dislike of Scripture that wasn’t politically correct, claiming that Christ would return to do away with evil earthly rulers and rule for a thousand years, so Augusta, claimed that it was only an allegory of Christ ruling in people’s hearts, and not a literal 1000 year earthly rule. And in spite of hundreds of Biblical prophecies that say it is literal. And because it goes along with something else that most Seminary’s don’t teach, which is the Scripture prophecy pertaining to Israel, of Christ’s return to fulfill the Jews calling upon their Messiah who they crucified, and will recognize, in the time of Jacob’s trouble, after 2/3 of the Jews have been killed. And which is the entire reason for the tribulation, to bring back to God his chosen people, as well as everyone else who repents and call’s upon the name of the Lord. And yes Jesus is Lord now, but His 1000 year rule on Earth won’t start until His 2nd coming.

My view is that no one knows for sure what's going to happen. Jesus will return, but most of the details are uncertain. I listen to arguments from both sides, but no one can be dogmatic about eschatology. It's one of those areas where we just don't know enough.

So many texts to stand on and he only had ones that proved him wrong 😊

Haven't watched the video yet. Thank you for it. I don't know what postmillenialism really consists of nor do I know all the details of pre. All ik is what I believe. Which goes off of scripture with nephiloms, sons of God in it. So I am interested to learn of this. From what I understand I'm a pre more so. I like to hear all views before I make a stand on something. God bless

To suggest that John plagiarized with the book of Revelation, is to deny Christ the authorship. Of course it makes reference to the rest of Scripture because Christ is the author of ALL scripture, and it's just the truth. If i speak truth and it happens to agree with someone else who speaks truth, we are plagiarizing. There is no copyright on truth. 😑

How do these points of view fit with 2 Tim 3:1-5 KJB? This know also, that IN THE LAST DAYS perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, [3] Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, [4] Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; [5] Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 19 characteristics listed there for the last days, and not one of them is good. Doesn't sound like the good guys win, does it? This age is not about victory or defeat. The Biblical timeline showed that the world was about to roll into the time of Jacob's trouble, aka Daniel's 70th week and the great tribulation, wherein God uses the Gentiles to judge Israel and then judges the Gentiles for their treatment of Israel, and no flesh would survive except that time was shortened (Matt 24:22). This age is purely God showing grace by letting individual Jews and Gentiles walk off that battlefield before the troubles begin. It's not about winning, but escaping, which is exactly what Jesus told them to pray for (Luke 21:36). "But we have catechisms and large cathedrals and universities! We are going to conquer this earth for God and Jesus." No, you're not. See the verses above, along with many other things Paul wrote. Those things the "official" church value are useless and powerless and have no place in the Kingdom of God, and it's your fault for not reading the Bible correctly and understanding where you are on God's timeline. This is a time of ESCAPE -- not kingdom building; Jesus will do that without your help in about a week when he returns -- before the promised and long-delayed judgment and tribulation of this world begins. Make sure you are taking advantage of this incredible grace by believing in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Grace to you. : )

Correct me if I'm hearing this wrong, and I'm sure someone will, but his endtime view is based on the book of Revelation being metaphorical and not literal, (yes theres symbolism but to write it all off as such I thinknis a stretch,) how then do they get around the tribulation and all the judgments. What about how the book starts, the letters to the 7 churches? were they just church ages or was it all for the people prior to 70AD? Im not trying to argure I'm just bringing up questions. Im pre-mil but thats not to say that it clears up all the questions. Its a mystery and its ok to sometimes say we just dont know....yet

Such amazing minds, but so many disagree w revelation Its not a salvation issue but so many text in the OLD that coincide w revelation- second coming The prince of the power of the air is still reigning right now- (w God allowing it) til He returns to punish the wicked and rule and reign w the saints

I believe Jesus has already won as He said.... All power has been given to me in ALL of heaven and ALL of the earth.

Premillennial for sure. For me no one knows the day or hour. Pre wrath or pre trib rapture works for me. They are so closely related in many ways. I understand both hope for Pretrib but preparing for the long haul. Either way Jesus is returning for his church pre, mid or post rapture. Maranatha saints!

What I see missing from these discussions is the day of rest promised to Yahweh s people. The wine of the covenant that Jesus, Yahusha drank and told us to drink is the cup of betrothal, after which he leaves to prepare the house. After the wedding, the bride and groom do not work, ie day of rest that lasts one year. A day or year being to God as 1000 years. Thus this is after the wedding banquet. Make sure you have oil for your lamps.

You can’t pick and choose what you think gifts have stopped and what you think the gifts are still going on the Bible doesn’t say anything is stopped

Postmil appeals to the itching ears of a lot of people but it doesn't cohere with the scriptures

No millenniam. Kingdom is eternal. After 1000 years there is an event but the Kingdom still goes on eternally

Is this a re-upload? 🤔🧐

Keep the Feasts of the Lord by the Spirit once for all time becoming a Temple Made without Hands 🎉

Matthew 24:29-31 "Immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days... will send his angels to gather the elect..." Those that do not believe these words of Jesus will not go in the rapture. If you do not believe Jesus, you are not a Christian. Enough said.

When will you address the issue with Gary Demar. It seems like he is not being treated with any seriousness, but just dismissed cause he asks difficult questions nobody wants to answer. It blows my mind that a dispensational premillennial is within orthodoxy, but Uncle Gary is not. Help me understand.

I don't get Preterism. So Jerusalem surrounded by armies must be the time of the abomination of desolation, done by the Beast??

Jesus, defeating His enemies equates to His enemies of every generation, since the great commision was given, until He returns and defeats the last enemy, death. The Nations are clearly His people from every nation, past, present, and future, until He returns. I do not see a world for Christ at His coming, I see all believers from every nation, from every generation, most will be resurrected, many will still be living, coming with Him to reign on the earth at His coming. Yes, He is reigning now, defeating His enemies. Which is a process, from 11 to all the fullness of our brothers and sisters are in Christ, from every generation since the great commission until the appointed time. Amen... Come on, more Christians = the population of the planet has increased over the past 2000 years, that is what we would expect, that is what the scriptures say, there will be multitudes of believers praising Jesus.

looks like dave rubin, correction: matt walsh + dave rubin

When you guys talk about full preterism, does that mean you don't believe in a future, literal and physical second coming of Christ?

Matthew 24:22- if those days had not been shortened no one would survive but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. How o postmillenists justify this verse????

As much as I appreciate these conversations, I'd love conversations that go into why things like this matter.