1:54 I've been saying this for years after I noticed a difference in recoil while doing load development with multiple powders. Powder selection makes a bigger difference in recoil than it gets credit for.
I don't use a brake for hunting or competition. I only use one at the range on my 300 win mag to see how much noise I can make when shooting under the metal roof 😂
The last few rifles I've bought were heavy barrel, "predator" versions of fairly cheap guns, with cheap plastic/ polymer? /hollow stocks. I've been pulling off the butt stocks and adding a pound or so of weight inside them (BB's etc) really seems to help with the balance and recoil, for under $1
When I shoot next to competitors with muzzle brakes, they can give me the jitters from the repeated concussion. I really have to try hard to ignore it & not allow myself to be affected. I think it actually raises my blood pressure. It most definitely affects my shooting negatively.
1. You probably don't know how to put in ear plugs. Read the instructions. 2. Your shooting will improve a lot if you shoot while behind the rifle as opposed to being next to the rifle. Muzzle brakes eject gas to your sides, it would not be any louder for the shooter.
I like and enjoy the way you operate. I follow every video you put out. For a 70 yr old and a specialized army veteran that should say alot to you. You are good. 👍👍👍. Happy holiday to you and your family young man
This is a very well-made video! The physicist in me really enjoyed it. I've got brakes on several of my more "thumpy" rifles, including Precision Armament M4-72 and Hypertap, Ultradyne Apollo Max and Ultradyne Pulse, and a Venom Defense (now a defunct business), plus a few from other brands that I can't recall at the moment. It's quite true, like you said, that some just work better than others regarding precision. I have a couple that, although they do reduce the felt recoil, they tend to open up the group size... so they go on my "screwing around guns" as opposed to my tack drivers.
I have had great results with Harrell’s on 4 6bra’s. My wife would not be able to shoot her 12lb without one due to shoulder issues. We use one reamer and load for all, adjust tuner individually for gun. 1k VBR .
1) The momentum of the gas is much less than the momentum of the bullet. A muzzle brake cannot reduce recoil more than about 30%. The the real problem is this: it redirects the muzzle blast back at you and other shooters, that's a real steep price to pay. I fired a .223 with a brake (Ruger, a 223 doesn't need a brake) )the other day and forgot to put my muffs on. I experienced sharp physical pain and the retort was worse that firing a 308 or other cartridge without a brake. Plus a brake can negatively effect the bullet on barrel exit.
I think you were starting to hit on it but the reason brakes are so effective is because you're redirecting the mass of the powder at the same velocity (or higher) as the bullet. Compared to a Dasher and a 107 SMK you may have 30ish grains of powder or on a 6.5PRC with a 140, you may have 60ish grains of powder, etc. That weight is now not contributing (as much) because it's not going straight downrange with the bullet.
i did not see your videos come up (so i looked for your channel ) i hurt my right arm & shoulder badly it none repair able it was 2 years this month! the 20th a birthday present i like to give back! ok a lighting storm took out solar panel set I hurt arm fixing them replaced the whole set of 5 with 4 bigger ones! i did not do it shooting I blew my right bicep tendon & it connect to a injured shoulder all ready bad in that area! (this what the medical doctor told me he looked at xrays & scans to make is it fixable medically no but with PT it live able with it! there a bullet size any thing after a 25 cal & magnums i need a muzzle break on to shoot right! or lead sled use! i did all muzzle break is the best!
Number one thing with precision brakes is don't take them off. Number two is symmetry. The asymmetry from vertical ports creates barrel whip and, while you can tune it out, it changes barrel dynamics.
Like this cinematic 21:9 style 🎉. Looks artistic combined with the colors and lightning. And you're right: only run a muzzle brake if you really need to 😉. No need for that up to 6 creedmoor. Up to 308? Most could argue about that all day long. I personally dont need any muzzle device on a 15 pound rig....
Keith, I always appreciate your clinical / scientific approach to options. I wish I made the time to share ideas and findings with this community but I simply do not make time in my life yet. May I offer a additional component for consideration? I started really look at torsional rotation forces because of David tubb. He made a good point one day when he was explaining his five star muzzle break. His breaknports have a angle bank that help with torsional loads. I founds this to be very true with the cartridges you shoot 6 dasher and the 6xc I shoot. It is more pronounced with the 6mm because we are using fast barrels (7/7.5 twist) with moderate weight projectiles (115g ) in my case. I have settled on good break port positions along with centerline offsets of gun weight and bipod pivot points to subdued ignition reaction energy.
I noticed the movement of POI with a flash hider. They get a lot of carbon in them and on the crown of the barrel. I was removing it to clean. When replacing, I noticed POI changes. I finally realized that the crush washer was thicker on one side then the other (about 0.002”). The orientation of the washer was different each time I installed the flash hider since I was not making any attempt to clock it in the same spot. I lathe turned the washer and the problem went away. I was surprised at how much the slight difference in gasses escaping on be side vs the other could deflect the bullet.
Your spot on with the vertical dispersion issue that I see as well as upsizing the caliber which would help it seems with the supersonic projectile passing through and exiting the barrel. I experience the dispersion through the scope and we will see how my next break functions now that I saw this. Very well explained and thank you!
I think ill locktight my pva jet blast before I start load development. Thanks. I find muffs annoying but they really help that concussion compared to plugs. I double up with braked rifles now.
You’re absolutely correct on the topic about self timing breaks. They have caused me nothing but problems. I never thought of lock tighting it but I buy the simple screw one and file down the mating surface until it’s clocked right. Takes some practice with a hand file but it looks good. Thanks for the video man.
Curious if you have tried a Area419 Hellfire Match. If so what are your thoughts? I've been using brakes since 2014 in PRS and similar matches. Over the years I have gone through 5 or 6 different designs, finely settling on the Hellfire Match. I remove and clean my brake every 100-150 rounds when i clean my bore and the zero never changes from one session or Match day to the next. It's a two piece design and uses tapers. The universal adapter mounts to your barrel and remains on the barrel for the life of that barrel and the brake attaches to that and mates up to the adapters surface. I can't say if it changes my groups as I have not tested for that. I develope my load after the brake is installed on the barrel. Anyway, give it a look if you haven't already. As mentioned by another poster I to will be moving to a Area419 Maverick as soon as it it out of jail... it will attach to the same universal adapter the brake currently uses making it easy to swap back and forth once I account for the POI shift the heavier suppressor will create.
I would suggest buying a brake from a company who has engineered their brake to do its job and if you feel the need for a tuner, add it separately. To paraphrase Erik “what are the guys that are winning using?”
My largest problem with specific muzzle brakes, i.e. witt machine, top ports that aren't adjustable. I have a clamp on brake on a 06 that was kicking like a mule, put the brake on and can shot the rifle all day long no problems, so witt machine done a great job, the part that isn't so great is the only brake offered for the 30 cal clamp on from them came with top ports, if the ports could be closed or adjusted to a minimal amount of muzzle flip assist it would be top notch, but the ports are just open so when shotting off bi pods at targets, the rifle gets shived down and bounces off the bi pod, and in the flimsy stock that the rifle is in at the moment is a bad day for accuracy at distance. Lite shorter barrel, can almost bet it is pushing the barrel down to the stick. Fixing the stick issue tomorrow with a new more rigid stock, figuring out how to close or block off the ports in a fashion that will allow adjustability.
@codyway7424 I thought about that as a fix, the witt machine brake has a bunch of ports that are tiny on top, 5 port brake but 4 small top ports per port, 2 on each side of brake ports, finding a tiny set screw may be my challenge, may have to drill them slightly larger. Thanks, I'll be looking at that for permanent solution.
@@winninginthewind not sure who makes it. It came with the Bergara wilderness b14 hmr 300 PRC. I also bought the Bergara brake for my 7.5 creedmoor. It has only 2. Slots. Im usually a hand gun guy. This is my first attempt at target shooting with a rifle
Soak for a day or two in bore tech c4. It will all come off pretty easy after a good soak. Area 419 says it’s the only product that won’t damage their finish or void their warranty. Might be an inside deal, as I’m sure there are other products that would work. C4 does work. No CLR unless you want your black coating to turn pink. I’ve seen it happen.
I use the "dip" method which is 1:1 distilled vinegar and peroxide. Dont do it in the house as it causes a harmful gas but I leave my brake in it for about 3 hours and everything comes off. Just rinse it with water when finished. Hasnt caused any issue to my black nitride brake and ive done it several times.
Brake cleaner in an old glass pasta jar. Been using it on my stainless and Nitride/DLC brakes with no issues. I leave them overnight and scrub with a nylon brush, then finish cleaning with Q-tips.
After shooting many PRS seasons with a brake, I couldn't escape the dreaded headache and sinus pain on day 2-3. Last several seasons I have switched to a Area419 Maverick suppressor (and hoping for the new TBAC Magnus SB at SHOT 2024). Couldn't be happier! Recoil reduction with a MUCH healthier outcome.
