"I also know that you're standing in a darkly lit room with ominous smoke effects, making you the bad guy". - "awkwardly glances at 'Picard: The Series'"
It was so bold and expertly-written to show how the a magnificently-executed act of diplomacy-earned, rather than token-granted-could lead to worse outcome than simply using a cudgel. It shows that even if you can get through to a person, a culture may not be swayed.
The problem was, that Pike was a bit too ahead of his time. He was a little too "Picard" in a 23rd century that just needed Kirk to blow up the bad guys, so they wouldn't mess with The Federation.
Romulans are a strange bunch.....some are devious and can't be trusted....others have a bit of honor with them that you can deal with. You never know which one you're gonna get.
I don't know about a good person, he did after all carry out a sneak attack, unprovoked, on defenseless outposts killing who know how many individuals...for the good of Romulus. Still, he seemed at least like he was willing to become a man of conscience.
I love this episode but Pike's approach is pretty strange considering they have evidence the Romulan ship has just murdered countless Federation citizens. But Pike is at a severe disadvantage because he believes he caused a catastrophe and he's motivated entirely by preventing a war. If Pike wasn't compromised that way, I think his approach would be more akin to Kirk's. I think the morale of the story has more to do with accepting one's inevitable future than any comentary on differences between the two captains.
This is one of those times that really shows the difference between kirk and pike. This is one of those crucial moments when it should've been kirk on that chair. Kirk never hesitated to chase down and destroy that warbird for its flagrant transgression, and in doing so, earned the caution of the romulans.
"...accepting one's inevitable future..." Full disclosure: I think the universe IS mathematics. OTOH, I do not accept that I have an inevitable future.
Pike always had a more diplomatic approach. He was educated as a captain before the Federation-Klingon war, so his first thinking is of peace. James Kirk on the other hand had his first experiences in space during the war. That makes him accept violence as a "solution" more easily than Pike. But at least Pike doesn't hail the Borg although he got warned by Guinan AND Q
Putin won't use nukes unless the US actually 'invades/retaliates' against an actual attack from russia. Putin wants to be remembered for reuniting the old USSR countries. He's already royally fucked that but being remembered by whatevers left after the nuclear apocalypse must be worse to him. Not to mention he wants the uktraine for its natural resources. If he uses a Tactical nuke he's just irradiating the resources.
@@burningdaylights you'd be surprised- all it would take would be for someone to actually let loose a nuke. even if it's a localised explosion on Kharkiv.. you can't put the genie back in the bottle then..
See, this is good Trek. This is great Trek, honestly, best since Voyager or DS9 if you want to go that far. And it could have been even better. Imagine if Discovery hadn't turned out as Stacey Abrams As Earth Prez and instead focused on the calculating, war-focused, and brutal captaincy of Lorca during the Klingon War and Michael learning from that - only for her to transfer to the Enterprise after the war, and see the very clever but far different approach of a captain like Pike. Imagine the conflict we'd see and feel and understand in this scenario had we journeyed through such contrast. But no.
Here we have prime myth-makers art. We know how a story told through the generations can change slightly with each retelling. Some of that could be happening with SNW and I am loving it up.
@@jonathanfarley2023 At the start of the episode, Pike attempted to change the future he saw in the time crystal vision, and a future version of himself came back in time with another crystal to show him what would happen if he does. In this timeline he's still in command of the Enterprise by the events of "Balance of Terror", and this is showing what would happen had he been in command of the Enterprise instead of Kirk. So it's the same incident that we saw in TOS, just with Pike in command instead of Kirk. He reverts it at the end of the episode so none of this happens.
@@MasterofSpidersYes, this is an alt.future wherein the delta radiation leak is harmless and Pike is still on the Enterprise as captain. I am not understanding /why/ Pike is still commanding the Enterprise. The implication seems to be that Pike's accident is what led to Kirk taking over, but this makes no sense: In The Menagerie, Kirk has obviously been Enterprise Captain for some time but only comparatively recently learns of Pike's accident, an accident which Spock reveals happened six months before BoT So, what exactly does prime Pike do, and when, to cause this alt.timeline to (not) happen, and what is the sequence of events?
@@quantisedspace7047 I think it's more that Pike knowing about his accident is what led him to give up command to Kirk. In otherwords, Pike knew he couldn't be where he needed to be for that future to occur while remaining captain of the Enterprise. Of course, we still don't have all the details, like how sending those letters led to Una not saved from life in a penal colony in the alternate timeline. Edit: As hinted at by future Pike, sending the letters also wasn't the only point in time Pike would have the opportunity to change that future.
He's a younger Romulan he might be some what idealistic more open to piece but the other older Romulans don't want piece and that is why this younger Romulan died. Older Romulans saw younger Romulan as a threat to them.
Considering that the war is 100 years old, and assuming the lifespan of Romulans is similar to that of Vulcans, Capt. Pike's comment that the war is older than both of them was likely incorrect.
there is a lot of things incorrect with everything including and after Start Trek: Enterprise. It is unacceptable to me. Picard and Discovery are a disgrace to Star Trek.
@@RisingTidesAC calm the hell down drama queen. This is hardly an issue. Pike isn't aware of how long romulans live, heck even Kirk in the OST brings up a similar point.
@@RisingTidesAC I completely agree with you on Pcard and STD. HOWEVER, SNW and lower decks have SOO much better writing quality. Sure there are some continuity issues, however compared to first seasons of other trek (such as TNG) compairomg first season to first season these are generally superior in writing. Also note lower decks keeps to continuity much better than most of startrek and all of new trek
Shame we won’t see more of these old school Romulans, their aesthetic is perfectly updated 👌 unlike Disco’s Klingons/lizard people. Just look at his uniform, SNW is just masterfully done all around.
@@Jokie155 blackface would mean it was attempt by a white actor to appear African or covertly demean another race. It wasn’t, Klingons were nonhuman aliens. With 1960s tv budgets face paint and facial hair were the only two big options. Many Klingons over the decades were portrayed with some form of darkened or peachy skin, but it was less obvious with prosthetics. This isn’t an issue because Klingons were never a dog whistle for racists, and Star Trek was intentionally the most racially progressive show ever made.
That other Romulan wanted to fight and do what he wanted, but that Romulan commander's JUDGEMENT PREVAILS here too. DUUMMM DA DUM DUMMM DUMM DA DUUUUUUMMMMMMMMMMMM!
Doesn't this break established TOS canon? What Romulans looked like was unknown until Kirk got the first look at them during his command of the Enterprise.
This is an alternate timeline episode. But it does mean Pike learns what Romulans look like and never told anyone (likely to preserve the original timeline).
This episode reminded me of the DISCO episode "The Vulcan Hello". How? well: Michael Burnham, as out of line as her behavior as a Star Fleet officer might have been, would have succeeded in preventing the Klingon war by attacking the sarcophagus ship, heeding her foster father's advice and Klingon culture. Whereas captain Georgiou's standard Federation diplomatic approach, completely ignoring Klingon culture, actually elicited the war .
Considering T'Kuvmar wanted a war and he was in communication with the other Klingon leaders then war was probably inevitable. Even if they had followed Saru's suggestion of running away would have just delayed things.
LMFAO James Kirk has been criticized by some fans for his Cowboy tactics of shoot now negotiate later. Yet it was his Cowboy tactics that would have STOPPED a war before it started
I do feel bad for Pike though. He follows the starfleet manual which by this time is outdated and he's now like one of the first soldiers in ww1 employing 19th century tactics and not understanding why it's not working. Kirk on the other hand just saw a ship shooting at a defenceless outpost and wanted to take it out ..no matter what
@@edwardharris5301 Not really, Kirk didn't just charge in guns-blazing. He analyzed his opponent, the decision to fight came only after Spock explained the Romulans perfectly to Kirk in the original episode. War is necessary for them, and weakness is something you dare not show. There's a time to talk, and a time to shoot. This was the latter.
Mark Lenard passed away in 1996, so that is not happening. A Commander with a more “lean and hungry” look would work better. If Ambassador Sarek had ever appeared, reusing that actor would be blindingly obvious.
@@EgilhelmsonThink you're missing the point here. Mark Leonard played Sarek and the Romulan Commander. The suggested homage is that the actor who played Sarek /in SNW/ be the one who also plays the Romulan Commander /in SNW/, not that Mark Leonard play the SNW Romulan Commander.
@@mikespangler98 Lenard's Romulan Commander also had the counsel of his Centurion, who served with him through many 'campaigns' and was a sounding board for the Commander. Decius was an ambitious soldier who only wanted to appease the Praetor and couldn't offer the Commander any sage advice.
IMO they missed a perfect opportunity to give true TOS fans an "easter egg" by using James Frain as the Romulan captain, just like Mark Leonard was the Romulan in TOS Balance of Terror as well as Sarek.
"long before you and I were born" It was 100 years ago. I thought Romulans and Vulcans share the same root, and both can live for a long time. So who said the Romulan didn't witnessed that start?
Pretty cool this star trek takes place in the Discovery universe after Discovery jumped to the future. Number 1 refers to the zero point incident. And how she participated in it.
Different timeline, in TOS, it was the first time in that time line someone from the Federation saw a Romulan and that they resembled Vulcans. If this event was part of the TOS timeline, Kirk's crew wouldn't have been surprised that Romulan looked like Vulcans.
I loved this episode but it reminded me of how, post Voyager/ Enterprise the folks in charge of Star Trek seemed to hate the Romulans with a passion. The Romulans went from a strong interstellwr empire that effected the balance of power in the Alpha Quadrant to the whipping boys of the series starting with one passable at best movie. While the loss of Romulus would certainly have been a blow did the Romulans have no other colonies? Did they not notice their star was going to go nova? The people who made inroads into making a client state out of the Klingons could not see what was coming? The most ridiculous thing in all of Star Trek until the burn.
Wait corrent me if I am wrong, didnt romulans face reveal first happened in balance of terror episode of tos? Before that starfleet didnt knew what romulans looks like.
@@randomdude8202 Both have their place in war and peace. But while Kirk sees the value of diplomacy, he knows where to stop and show that force is an option he is willing to use. Pike has had diplomacy solve all his problems so well, he can't see it's working against him now. Show the Romulans you COULD solve this with violence. But choose to talk.
@@RBAWintrow Risking everything to stop a war which will kill millions is never a bad option. You take risks. Sometimes they pay, sometimes they don't. Kirk take that risk with aggression, unlike Picard or Pike who prefer diplomacy. And that is the reason why you want diverse people in your ranks. Unless you are in a deep hole like in 40k, then it is a different story.
@@randomdude8202 However that's the thing, the Bird of Prey was sent in on a one way suicide mission. The Romulan High Command viewed the flagship as expendable/acceptable losses to gather intel on the Earthlings/Federation. Even in the prime version of events, Kirk offered the commander amnesty if he surrendered only for the Romulan commander to self-destruct his ship. Both Kirk and the Romulan commander knew their missions (Kirk investigating) and Romulan Commander (Probing) would lead to an all out conflict. In this case, in the shift of the timeline...Kirk was correct. Destroying the Romulan ship was the best course of action. Mainly because the ship was on their side of the neutral zone. Allowing Pike to try to talk themselves out of a war, he caused a war to happen because now the Romulans had enough info that their weapons would be able to defeat Starfleet in a head on attack. A ship already written off as 'dead' coming back and telling their military the weapon works effectively well vs no ship coming back thus signaling that the plasma torpedo was useless would make the military planners of the Star Empire re-think war.
@@everyonethinksyoureadeathm5773 You put too much emphasis on him being correct in this case, but in fact he could be wrong just as easily. I tell this to you again, it is a risk game. Even in battle there is no one specific maneuver that is a guaranteed win. And you will lose the war even if you win some engagements it if you think one move is superior to any other.
And then the view screen shuts off and the romulan captain turns to his first officer and says "wtf is an hour?" And the first officer shrugs confused.
So in this SNW, the Federation knows that Romulans look like Vulcans because in TOS, Kirk, Spock and gang were surprised by the appearance of the Romulans.
So, Pike *actually was* a way better captain and Star Fleet officer. And if the writers wouldnt have included that second in command backstabber, he wouldve ushered in acentury of peace. One which even Picard couldnt have dreamed of in TNG times.
Backstabbing second-in-commands are lore-correct for Romulan ships. In D'Deridex class warbirds, the commander's chair was set against the wall to avoid literally this. Also, the backstabbing officer in the Bird of Prey was there in Balance of Terror.
Early in Discovery S1, there was an episode where they had the computer look up "Decorated Captains." They were Captains Archer, April, Decker, Georgiou, and Pike. So Pike was already a performer. It would also be interesting to see Decker in his prime before his breakdown with the Doomsday Weapon.
@@ehchagas Thats the writers im talking about. And the when and how of the backstabbing was ofc their decision. It very much felt like they wanted their type of TOS 'cowboy' diplomacy to be the only way in that situation.
The centurion was in the original episode. In that one his message was a declaration of victory. This was just another subtle change to what was already there.
True, considering that even though Kirk is a captain he’s junior to pike in time in rank. In fact, why isn’t Pike a commodore by this point since this is set years in the future to SNA S1?
On Star Trek TOS, Balance of Terror and City on the Edge of Forever, were in my opinion some of the best episodic story telling that took place. Right now, the re-telling of Balance of Terror and working in the combination of Pike's alternate future/Kelvin timeline/and the plasma event that puts Pike in the robotic wheelchair in Star Trek SNW's is the absolute best Star Trek to date since Wrath of Khan. Next Generation had a handful of good episodes, anything related to the Borg, Q, Yesterday's Enterprise and the Inner Light, but nothing that has kept me glued like this. Kudo's to the work done on this. Very well done. It's the attention to small details that makes it work, ie: the reference to the war being older than both of them, as Vulcan's and Romulan's have extended lifespans. Somebody is paying attention to the script. Hope this series has a long run, but we all know the ending episodes will be Pike in a chair and Kirk assuming Command. Would like to see a little more bonding episodes with Spock and Pike. And then we all cannot wait for the trip to Talos and the bubblehead Talosians and Vera at some point, it has to happen as Spock's motivation to Pike back to them in the future.
I would agree except Hollywood can’t come up with anything new. Just taking old scripts and re working them. This is nothing more then a duplicate of Balance of Terror. Inner light is maybe my number 1 episode of the entire franchise. Just a well written episode with a subtile message, nothing in your face like todays writers.
I will say....this is the best FIRST season of Trek since the original. Next Gen took awhile and Enterprise especially . The Talosians and Vina showed up in Discovery Season 2 and implied The Cage had already happened so you wont see it.
@@scotttild it took tng what 100 + episodes to get to inner light . star trek has always been in your face with it messaging .also its not that Hollywood cant come up with new thing its that the audience demands familiarity. how many quality shows have died 1, 2,3,season inn because they cant get traction with an audience ? after discovery trekkies demanded this show ,i f demanded this show ,i am not going to hate on them for giving us what we asked for . shit lots of trekkies are now moaning because they tried to do something new with old enemy's. you just cant please all the people .
@@davidreeves4556 Yes, you're right. A man who is an extremely gifted leader himself should know his place and hold his tongue when he thinks (correctly, as events proved) that the captain of the ship he is on is about to make a grave mistake. He should never offer advice or criticism that might conceivably persuade the captain to avoid that mistake. Initiative is not a quality that should valued in an officer.
The actor who plays the Romulan commander is attractive. I have not seen him in anything else. He is mind numbing hot a Romulan. The way he walks in this episode is hot. Is his mannerisms (the way he walks) in this episode the same for the actor? I know I am being silly. :)
Hoo-boy did I screw up. See my edit below. I'm leaving up the original comment because I don't believe in "erasing" history just because I screwed the pooch. Note: No pooches were actually harmed in this comment. While I am absolutely loving Strange New Worlds... *sigh* -there goes another bit of canon. Specifically, the fact that the Romulans were not seen for the first time until the original series' episode "Balance of Terror" wherein Uhura and Spock manage to tap into the Romulan's internal comm systems. This was years later when Kirk had command and Pike was, well, you know. Go ahead, call me an old grouch (I'm guilty of that) but when you blatantly change canon without even calling it a new timeline or at least a re-boot, it just rubs me the wrong way. This won't stop me from watching this show, though. SNW is definitely good Trek and I'm loving it. Just, please writers, try to pay a little more attention to canon. Edit: Okay, I just finished watching the FULL episode. NOW I get it. Sorry everyone. That'll (hopefully) teach me to comment on a clip BEFORE I actually watch the episode. Derp.
It's nota change of canon, it's an alternate future in which Pike was not injured and still in command of the Enterprise at the time of Balance of Terror. Pike's future self brought him to this point to show him why his original fate was necessary, and why Kirk needed to be in command for this instead.
@@AlexandarHullRichter Wait, really? I missed that completely. I've been watching this on the presumption that (despite the events in Discovery) this was just the prequel time with Captain Pike in command. Sooo, this actually IS a change in the timeline? Oh, well. Never mind. Ignore grumpy old boomer and carry on.
I like the attention to details of this "alternate" version of Balance of Terror. Uhura wearing the slightly different uniform and the earrings that Nichelle Nichols wore in the original episode was one of many nice touches.
It saddens me how many self-proclaimed "Star Trek fans" who didn't watch SNW (which I get, fuck CBS and Paramount) just assumed "canon is ignored" and think that this is a show where "Pike is taking credit for all things that Kirk has done". If you are never going to watch anyways how hard is it to do at least a little spoiler research from places like the Memory Alpha fandom wiki before you make a fool of yourself?
basically Kirk should have been Captain of the Enterprise at this point in time. In the Prime Timeline it was he and crew who first confronted the Romulans. This alternative time line is replaced with Pike and Kirk is Captain of the Farragut. so as a result...these events will now go a very dark and tragic route....
@@darkherostar Why would things now go tragic for Pike now that he was given a second chance to correct his mistake? Now that the timeline is altered he never goes to Talos 4, doesn't get tortured by the Talosians, none of that, wouldn't that be a good thing?
@@publicaccess7417 The first events of Talos 4 happened before this. They talk about that in Discovery. While Pike surviving is a good thing for Pike, it is a bad thing for the timeline itself. His actions here, while consistent with Starfleet ideals, were a gross miscalculation, and result in terrible consequences. "Know your enemy" is one of the most important things to remember in the field.
That’s what I like about Kirk in BoT: just that much talking as needed and sufficient action as necessary to hinder a foe making a fool of yourself and get away with it. Pike is to much a talker here for my taste and see what it got him and the Federation: contempt, pitty and destruction. Kirk clearly drew the line in the TOS episode and his determined deterrent successfully made the Romulans reconsider their attack plans.
That's deliberate. The lesson here is that Pike is to used to diplomacy always working for him. But there has to be a point where you stop talking and show your teeth. Even if only to show you're talking because you CAN win by force, but choose not to.
Would like to point out that this Pike is from seven years in the past knowing from talking to future Captain Pike that something really bad is going to happen at pivot point in time and he’s trying to prevent a war without being certain what starts it. From his perspective, this small skirmish with the enemy would surely lead to a greater conflict later so he’s trying to resolve things peacefully to prevent the future war. He’s totally wrong, of course.
@@turbopokey It’s all good and well if it was a original story line, but BoT belongs to Kirk and he did it tight. Why didn’t they stick with the Gorn menace or detailed the first war with the Klingons, where the Constitution Class starships where introduced? A narrative untold. Plenty of room for a captain Pike to write his own story.
Distomos -agreed. I suspect there is so much rehashing in Hollywood nowadays is because of severe lack of true artistic talents in writers recently. That’s because the liberal woke narrative being hammered into people attending schools trying to raise their artistic capabilities to produce “good little propaganda machines” instead of free artistic expression. Not going political here, I’m just sayin’… Even creators who push the narrative aside to try and focus on their art seem to get attacked for not staying with the “message”. Redoing old successful stories keep happening as it’s easier than trying something new.
This is a timeskip vision from the time crystals showing a future where pike chose not to die. Kirk didn’t get the enterprise. This is literally the TOS Episode balance of terror but if pike didn’t die. Same romulan, ship and storyline. Kirk chose fists. Pike chose words and well it became costly for pikes alternate timeline.
That’s an interesting point. He’s seen the future, and thus knows things that he can’t unsee, or reveal to anyone else. That could get dicey for him. I also don’t see how he gets Una out of jail, since this episode establishes that she’s been there for seven years, well before the timeframe of his accident.
If the showrunners had really been clever, they would have used James Frain as the Romulan commander, in reference to Mark Lenard in "Balance of Terror".
IMO they missed a perfect opportunity to give true TOS fans an "easter egg" by using James Frain as the Romulan captain, just like Mark Leonard was the Romulan in TOS Balance of Terror as well as Sarek.
Nothing against this actor, but Mark Lenard brought gravitas to this role. I am enjoying this series. Was the other one (Discovery) cancelled? Never mind, I don't give a shit.
Yes, Kirk's hair was blondish in TOS, but was way darker in the movies later on. I suppose the hair and make-up has to be modernish for well, I don't know 🤷🏼♀️😅
Yeah... And the Enterprise didn't have a window for a screen, the bridge wasn't that big, the nacelles weren't that angled, and Pike was in a wheelchair. How DARE they not follow canon?!
This is an alternate future episode, in which Pike never had the accident and remained captain of the enterprise, how balance of terror would’ve unfolded if he were still captain
In Balance of Terror, it was a major point that the Federation hadn't seen a Romulan. Yet here, they clearly do. Even Spock and Uhura, who were in Balance of Terror. I haven't seen this episode, so maybe it gets explained away. Balance of Terror is my favorite TOS episode.
The actor playing this alternate timeline version of Kirk ( who would be different without Spock and McCoys influence), was OK. But they should have cast Vic Minogna from Star Trek Continues, who more closely resembles Shatner during the original series.
timeline where pike is captain . the episode shows pike what would happened if he alters the timeline .pike cannot avoid his fate with out it being a disaster for the galaxy ,at the end all is back and kirk will be the first captain to see the Romulans and deal with in a way that stops a war . the Romulans are romans , they respect power and see diplomacy as weakens
Captain pike talking to romulans?? I actually enjoy this new series but this is like the 15th change from the original history and characters that I can no longer keep track of Star Trek Cannon they've retcon so much and so many times now I can't tell up from down in the Star Trek universe?!
You do realize watching just these clips is like trying to understand the TNG episode "Parallels" without any of the scenes explaining why the changes occurred.
This is an alternate future episode, in which Pike never had the accident and remained captain of the enterprise, how balance of terror would’ve unfolded if he were still captain
to be fair ive written off nu trek canon as being diffrent from the OG canon ages ago with STD it looks good and its strange to see a consistant make up from the next gen romulans to this show , an odd complaint i have is the romulan with the beard it seems wrong to me i know they can grow them but hes on a military ship from a very strict culture so it just seems off to me
@@ronin3381 well if you mean the were aware of the canon they changed as respect. She romulan ship is wrong the uss faragut is wrong, the commander on the outpost is wrong, no sulu , the helmsman is in the wrong seat and and the original actors ( issues with the romulans) are swapped, ( and she is sitting in the wrong seat ) ( i know i saod it twice) the romulan fleet and the bloddy preator of the empire is wrong or silly, and i believe its supposed to be a man . ( i do recognize the actress and im glad to see her working again but still ) the phasers are wrong ( colour) ( thats the same romulan ship from Picard) ( Kirks brother is confusing, there was a George Kirk jr , ( pardon me i forget weater this is the same brother on a colony or if that is ( sam ) faragut is supposed to be a constitution class starship . ( kirk was xo before enterprise and republic before that ) and pikes accident didn't happen on the enterprise is happened at a star base or a training facility. Scotty in engineering and spock in the Jefferies tube was good . And as others have said on its own without canon its good . If the hair cuts or hairstyles dont bother you. Or character timeline issues. And the romulan commander is no mark Leonard.
If you actually watched this episode you'd know that this is an alternate time line that Pike experienced - of course the Farragut is wrong - the commander is wrong - the outpost is wrong - this is a timeline where Pike retained command of the Enterprise - where Kirk never met Spock - where McCoy and Sulu and several other characters never joined the crew And as for 'inferior' - yeah, really miss those blinky christmas lights and every ship being a copy of the Connie xD
The inconsistency here is so bad, literally in TOS starfleet had never seen a romulan before, much less Captain Kirk or Captain Pike. Added a massive plot hole here…
NuTrek: "lol canon doesn't matter. It's just a show. Get over it nerds, we can change anything and everything and not be beholden to every little inconsequential detail." Also NuTrek: "Let's stay beholden to the inconsequential detail of one single episode of TOS _rigidly_ and hope the nerds clap at us for it."
Personally I would have cloaked my ship rammed it into enterprise so I wouldn't have to listen to his speeches and negotiations it would hurt my ears even as a human
I hate the person they picked from this series for Kirk. They should have never introduced Kirk on this series. Should have just kept it pike and only pike. 10 years in a super long time. They could have made 10 seasons on this series before his fate took over. Then they could have litterally said with him knowing his fate he changed his future by making decisions based on this knowledge. The writers need fired
He's not been introduced - this is an alternate future where he DIDN'T get command of the Enterprise He doesn't have Spock - he doesn't have Bones - this is a different version Watch The Episode
@@2Scribble I'll admit that I didn't watch the episode but in this clip Spock is there. I don't believe bones is even a part of this crew. And according to all the news about this series this guy is going to play Kirk.
@@dalebabcock722 No Bones surely isn't since in this alternate future when the events of Balance of Terror happens Pike is still in command of the Enterprise and Kirk is the captain of the U.S.S. Ferragut. Kirk is just aboard the Enterprise in this scene. Spock was in the Cage and Bones wasn't, he isn't a member of Pike's crew. Please watch first before you make any comment on the subject. It's just annoying how people who clearly have not seen the show nor know about the plot blame the writers for nonexistent "continuity mistakes", especially for this episode.
Also, this is exactly the future where Pike changes his future decisions to avoid his "fate" and thus remained the captain of the Enterprise. Without Kirk in command of the Enterprise, it's easy to imagine how Balance of Terror will turn out.
This once again, this show breaks cannon. As no one knew what a Romulan looked like until Jame's Kirk was captain. Because when the Romulan captain showed up on screen, everyone was shocked - because he looked just like a Vulcan. Thus making much of the crew suspicious of Spock. It was a big plot point of the episode. This episode breaks all of that, because now the Federation would know what Romulan's look like. Also, at least if this clip is any indication, no one was suspicious of Spock. Which defeats a major plot point about the Romulan's that early in Star Trek's history. No one knew the Romulan's were break away Vulcan's who went out to form their own empire.
You either didn't watch the episode, or you weren't paying attention. Did you ever see "Yesterday's Enterprise" in TNG? With Tasha Yar alive and the Federation at war with the Klingon Empire? I'm waiting to hear your comment on how that goes against Tasha Yar's death in Season 1 of TNG and Worf being a member of the crew.
This is the same event at the same time only with different players. This is what would have happened had Pike continued on as captain of the Enterprise into the next 5 year message when Kirk would have otherwise been promoted to captain the Enterprise. It’s a “what if?” episode, not a reboot.
What a poor excuse of a remake. The Romulan commander is a cardboard cut-out, completely lacking the empathy that Mark Leonard was able to give the character. At least he had something to work with. Here, even Kirk and Pike are moved around the plot chess board, say the appropriately, albeit empty, uplifting words, and in the end, are subordinate the CGI eye-candy. Can we get some WRITERS back into Star Trek?
