It's ok Mngo, you are winning the long game. Basically, you've managed to get the judge to say multiple times on the record that cellphone location does not mean the accused were moving with the cell phone. This means, by the judge's logic, that the cellphone data is immaterial and irrelevant because if accused 3 was not with his phone it also means that it was not him making the calls. This logic should apply to all the accused. So Ntanzi was not the one moving with his phone and so are all the other accused. Well done Mngo.
Problem of 50 years he think he's smarter than anyone,he even lead the witness evidence i liked when Mngo and Ramusipidi told him straight he lead the witness evidence
In a normal country , this case is very simple to solve,,,,you just get the 205 of those who were in the house and question them on first calls they made...
it doesn't matter how many cellphone numbers Kelly has, she has made a sworn affidavit to affirm that she was using those two numbers, the night senzo was killed. It is in the state interest to seek data collection of other numbers. The defence has two points over "score is defence 2 - 0 state"
Having carefully followed this simple case, it is astonishing to me why it should unnecessarily take forever, the Justice System in South Africa is ridiculous.
@@sakhiletasneemebrahim1228 currently there seems to be no evidence of who pulled the trigger because the scene was tampered with. Basically, there is no way of proving who the killer is. Why we are still made to listen to this nonsense and why the 5 accused are still there, I have no idea. The judge needs to call the state to order that his evidence doesn't prove any of the accused guilty. release Ntunzi and come back with solid evidence.
@rita_TM 1.Accused number 3 was described by eye witnesses who were not in the house 27/10/2014(Simphiwe Ngwenya and Thabang Makelane )as a short guy with dreads ,gold tooth ,big eyes,beige clothing,running away from the khumalo house with a 9mm in his hand and the photo album of accused 3 in his phone,he has pictures of himself with dreadlocks,gold ,big eyes ,beige clothing and pic of himself with the killing machine ,is that also cooking ?Mangena's cross examination keeps on being pushed back because the defence can't fight this scientific evidence killing machine killed Senzo 2.Ntanzi was described by also eye witnesses apart from the ones that were in the house. He became famous with his alibi of of paying lobolo in Kwanongoma 26/10/2014 and showing Capitec bank statements to police to prove this alibi 😊2023 comes Ntanzi doesn't mention any of this and you guys still don't see red flags/lies 3.These guys said they only saw each other on the dock on the first appearance in 2020 and now cellphone records prove those are lies 4.That they were in Kwanongoma when Senzo died is also a lie 5.Their Zungu cousin turned on them because accused number 5 Killed his cousin called Sphamandla Zungu on the Thami Nyembe case ,he gave us a snippet of what happened ehhostela meanwhile the people that were in the house shared their snippet and the last reliable witness was Christian he saw all that happened,but the mastermind refused for him to be interviewed by psychologists and now it makes sense why 6.Muzi Sibiya's gunning down of his girlfriend and sister for because the sister threatened to come forward 6.Cellphone records link all the accused and link kelly to no 3&5.Allegedly
@@Chibvunza Sorry can't read everything now but I'm not saying they did it or not. All I am saying is that the evidence is not without reasonable doubt at the very least. Now I doubt accused 3 is the only person in Gauteng who fits that description. but if you remember Mnisi dealt with that already using pictures that the description of the dreads was not the same as what the witnesses described. His killing machine is real but has not been proven to be the one that killed Senzo. Ntanzi's alibi may be off but nothing but places him in the house, the eye-witnesses said the tall guy had a gold tooth and tattoos and Ntanzi had none. His Capitec records are cooked because mentioned a loan but it is not reflected, his salary also was not reflected so explain that. whether they were in Gauteng or in Nongoma there is still no damning evidence. Don't mention Zungu...the biggest liar. Zungu lied saying he wrote a hand-written statement when probed he changed to say it was notes and later the notes were on receipt slips..not only that but Zungu said on the stand that he asked Gwabini about the gun that shot Snako...but Snako was shot in 2017 how would have Zungu known that Snako will be shot in 2014. Later he alluded that his source was his dad who heard people arguing about exposing someone, so which is it was he with them in 2014 and saw a gun that shot Snako in the future or what. A cop drinking with nkabis and leaving his service gun with them. If you believe Zungu and the selective cellphone data I have no more to say...
I hear you bro, but what more can you expect... that's the consequence of committing a crime. He shouldn't have been involve in the first place. You feel for Ntanzi, but what about people who lost their son.
Exactly my point. Why waste the whole month dealing with something they don't believe in . Uzigwaze ngumkhonto wakhe for sure. Benza I defense izilima that don't think.
4:40:19 Adv Ramo; why not emphasize that the device was not with your client. You must say it supported by State Witnesses until the Court has no choice but to accept it.
Why is judge agitated? Coz cellphone data was analysed to prove that the accused were communicating and were in possession of their phones..now the council is proving that accused 2 could have not been in possession of the cellphone coz it had been taken by police and the judge is agitated... Come on South Africa..u can do better than this
Lol Baloyi telling Mngo to stick to his lane and not ask questions relating to accused no.3 🤣 Oksalayo the State scored an OWN GOAL with the cellphone data and Mngo caught them. Baloyi grasping at straws saying they received the data late that's why they skipped page 1 of their evidence and did not place it on the record!!🤣 Asha amazambane.
Gouws's problem is he puts himself where he wasn't, he doesn't really know his own affidavit. He adapts his evidence to suit the narrative of the state and forgets that's not what he wrote on his affidavit... Like mngomezulu said, gouws was alone when he made the affidavit and wrote those things 🤣🤣he changes the story as he goes along
Judge Ratha must understand that Advo R only exposes the inconsistency it helps the Accused not witness. What did the experience analyst did except what he was given, didn't he find it strange while doing his analysis, what questions did he ask investigating officers since the phone was moving but accused arrested.
Thank you Advocate Ramosepele and Advocate Mngemezulu thank you for putting this into the records. Judge Ratha has been playing aquafresh since the begining of this case, 3 in 1, biased and impatient on defence side. Ratha has been the judge, prosecutor and the witness at the same time and he's forever interrupting the defence during cross examination. That's why we concluding that he already found these accused guilty hence he always says:" If this case would be taken elsewhere where after it has been concluded here." Ratha has repeatedly said this to the defence many times while this case is still on progress. Ratha is biased.
Prisoners do charge their cellphones in the electric lights in the cells, some have their rotten police officers who assist them in charging those cellphones
This judge makes sense but only pinning defense. Not for clarity but to undermine. He never took Baloyi in why page 11-13 was not read. Or better yet go back to records and see if it was put in evidence in chief. Manipulation of knowing the law. He objects on behalf of state. And throws hand's. He never does that to Baloyi. A jury system is needed.
Finally Advocate R put his foot down vs Ratha finally, Ratha must wait for the defense to finish questions n see where their going before he help state.
I feel for Ntanzi he was given the weakes defence of all times . If Mngomezulu aandd Mnisi as well as Mshololo were not there I am sure this guy was going to be sentenced
Not sure if you saw this, the camera peaked through Gous face and i believe this is not allowed. 2, this judge is really annoying now with reminding and assisting the witness recall their evidence
Judge Ratha,is bias and thinks he knows everything....it shows that he has been paid to find the wrong person guilty.Baloi is a devil,i dont know how much he has been paid by Gininda.My friend one said to a Judge meet you in hell,i hought he made a mistakes but now i understand him 100 percent.
Ratha and Baloi are apartheid agents....they made people go to jail for nothing. How can a suspect have his cell phone under detention.....Remember Ntanzi saying in a case within a case that he told the margistrate that he has not spoken to his family and taken a bath for those days.If he had his phone on him he could have told his family where he is and could have phoned his work place.
The judge has made his ruling already; 😂at the moment he seeks compelling reasons from defence team why he should not impose maximum sentence to the accused
if the data of the 205s confirms the location of the phone only and not the person why are we wasting time on them. why is the prosecutor bringing it to court? i can bet the verdict will be guilty. so many grey areas?
Mgomezulu failed to ask a simple question, the movement of the proves the movement of the owner, is that correct? Then, if he days yes, then it means the accused number 3 movement is recorded by his cell phone. Is that correct? If yes,then accused number 3 was not in Fosloorus according to the tower records, is that correct? If he said no, then it means the 205 proves nothing if the movement do not prove there where abouts of the accused.
the judge is biased the counsels must point this out otherwise he is ignoring he confirms the presence of the phone not the person? so why are we wasting time with the cell tower data now that the records show the accused were not there the judge doesnt want to listen?
🤣 im sure we're on season 5 and the producers don't have content, they should just cancel the show but they keep making the episodes as they go. Everything happening in this court right now was never part of the script when this trial started.
Manje sithatha eyiphi because uTeffo was saying udutyulwe ngu Kelly nge mustake manje uMngomezulu uthi ngu Longwe, manje ngubani o cooker i case? ni busy ni critisiser uJudge ngapha ngu Baloyi no Gininda i enemies zenu, nina asoze nilibone izulu
Mngo is now skating on thin ice. His looking for his individual glory. He is no longer making progress in this case, which is really sad. He had made significant advances, but now he is backsliding at the expense of his client and his colleagues.
This trial is a lengthy process. Mngo is currently creating many opportunities for the prosecution to utilise later. For instance, in his excitement, he included No. 2's confession in his argument. The judge warned Mngo. Mngo was dismissive instead of withdrawing that statement (skating on thin ice). The prosecution will use this later, and Mngo will act like the victim. He should have taken his win and moved on.
