I really like the no slip loop knot and the turle knot. I'm absolutely going to be using those more frequently since I've mostly just been using a cinch knot. These two alone are going to greatly improve my presentation.
@@RIOPRODUCTS Yeah I'm here practicing away the improved blood knot, perfection loop knot and the turle knot. The trilene knot is easy but this is my repertoire of new knots. Is there any advantage to using the no slip loop knot over the perfection loop knot? I like the higher knot strength of the perfection loop. Love these videos especially since you don't just show how to tie the knot, you show when they break. It's perfect! I'm planning on moving to Idaho so I'll absolutely swing by when I do that!
Sorry with my last comment , i should tell you i use your video's to teach my grandchildren everything i dont know about fly fishing , and thats a lot ,lol. They are 7 and 12 and have fly fished and tied for , the 7 year old 3 years, and the 12 year old 8 years both do very well with flying and tying ,we were watching this video together , pity i didnt record the comments from the kids for you on throwing away left overs lol, not having a go at you as i get it in the neck from them as well , but dont forget kids watch you as well Again thank you for the EFFORT you's put into the video's and products Cheers Paul
The Clinch and the Improved Clinch were my go to knots, but when you’ve got cold fingers and/or you’re tired it’s a pain in the ass. Use the Davey or double Davey - quick, easy and you’re back with your fly on the water.
Great video! Ive been fly fishing for years and only seen a few of these knots. One i came up with years ago is still my go to knot. The hook typically breaks or the tippet near the middle snaps. I haven’t had one fail, which i would love to put it on a test machine like in this video.
Great video guys, really like your tutorials and tips and tricks, I've watched a fair few videos now and find them very helpful. Using a 15ib leader what line weight of tippet would you guys recommend when fishing for rainbow trout. Im fishing well stocked private lakes with varying size of trout from 2-25lb. I'm varying my flies from wet and dry (conditions dependent) and have also just started using a few buzzers with one, sometimes 2 droppers. I'm currently using 10-12' of leader. How long would you recommend an average tippet be? At the moment I've roughly 9-10' leader with a 1-2' tippet but feel the tippet is just too long. If I shorten it too much then I may as well eradicate it altogether and just use my 15lb leader directly to fly and hope for a larger greedy fish
A good rule of thumb is that the maximum length of tippet that will turnover is the same number of feet as the pound breaking strength. In other words, if you have 4lb tippet, you could turnover up to about 4 feet of it - on the end of a tapered leader. If your leader is not tapered, it will be greatly reduced. Generally, I like 6-8 lb tippet for buzzer fishing, and 8-10 lb for pulling...
Great videos. I get that the non slip loop know gives the fly more "mobility" in the water but when playing a fish, doesn't that mobility increase the friction between the tippet and the hook and therefore the risk of the tippet breaking?
It might, a tiny fraction, but even the tightest clinch knot, still swivels around the eye when playing a fish, and because it is tighter than the non slip loop knot, might actually have more friction. Not sure how to test that!
RIO, thank you...how about the Swirl knot? Would be interested in the relative breaking strength, it is easy to tie in low light streamside with small flies...hope you can do a 'part two' of this series. Shout out for RIO Gold fly line!
Thank you John, glad you are enjoying the knot series! Should we add a Part Two, we will certainly consider adding the Swirl knot into the mix. Cheers!
Great video. Can't you use the turle knot for hopper dropper setup by not cutting the tag and on the contrary leave sufficient length to be used as the tippet for the nymph? The knot won't create a weakness for this part of the setup? Thanks!
The problem with that thought is that when you pull the tag end, you loosen the trule know, so if you caught a fish on the fly on the tag end, you'd loosen the other knot...
A bit hard to see but it looked like in several cases it was the line that broke, not that the knot failed. Doesn't say what test line was used ether. I do want to watch again when I have leader in hand to learn these knots. Very good instruction.
Hi Carl, we used the same spool of 10lb steelhead/salmon tippet for every knot we tested in this film. In many of the tests the line did break, but at the knot where the knot had cut into the main material and weakened it slightly. This is usually the cause of so called knot "failure". Thanks for watching, and for commenting...
I watched again very closely - you can clearly see in the Homer Rhodes and Trilene knots that the line broke 1 to 1 1/2 inches away from hook eye. The Improved Clinch knot looked like the hook either broke or pulled free from the testing machine. I'm also puzzled by your percentages - you said all were tied in 10 lb test line, so why is the Trilene knot rated at 99% when the line broke at 10.4+ lbs, which should be 104% of the test strength rating? For my money, the Trilene knot is the clear winner, having not failed even when the line test was exceeded.
Hi Carl, thanks for getting back on this. I am guessing the honer rhodes and trilene knots broke where tippet had been crushed by the knot as it was tightening. That would be the only explanation of why it broke short of the knot. As to why the Trilene wasn't shown above 100% in strength, the reason is that the 10lb tippet actually broke at something like 10.6lbs, not 10lbs, and so the knot percentage was based on the actual material strength - not what the label said. I agree, the Trilene knot is the clear winner!
How does the bimini knot compare I tied it at a fishing show For some reason they didnt want to count it but it beat all the other knots that had been tied
Your commentator should have explained that on smaller pound test you might want to use more than 3 turns (maybe he did and I missed it) BUT in that same vein, it would be lovely to test amount of turns in the clinch / improved clinch relative to what X tippet is being used (eg 5x with 4, 5 and 6 turns...).
Guys I use the clinch knot and only the clinch knot..... But I am new to fly fishing only been going 3-4ish years. Why would you use the non slip knot for your fly? Or the perfection loop knot? I know you get better movent but is there certain fly's or reasons to use it? Or could I just replace the clinch knot with it?
The main two knots you use on flies should be the clinch/improved clinch and the non slip loop knot. The reason is as you suspected, to keep the fly fishing straight from the hook with the loop for better fly movement. Almost all saltwater and steelhead anglers use the loop knot for their flies, and trout anglers for streamers. For dries, nymphs and soft hackles the clinch is totally fine.
.Hello. Please then use this knot for sea bream fishing with hand worms. (number 4 eyelet hook) Thanks for your reply. It's important to me! Sincerely, a fisherman from France
We were surprised at that too. Remember it was only a one knot test, so it could have been tied incorrectly. We just didn't have time to do multiple tests on all the knots. Everyone at RIO still firmly believes the Improved is stronger. We'll have to run those tests again to check.
I don't understand how you get your breaking percentages. If you're using 10# test and it broke at 9.4# for your Pitzen knot as an example, shouldn't it be 94% instead of 89%?
G'day from down under , great videos and great products thank you's I'm no greenie ....BUT why do you say and action throwing away the discarded hurl knot , would it not be better to put the rubbish in your fanny PAC ???
I didn't know about turle knot and I see there is beter representation of the fly. When Simon made demonstration on the big hook I have been ready to comment it because the nilon was going from down to up in the eye of the hook. But Simon then made other demo on the real fly and then nilon have been going correctly through the eye from up to down. Why this is important? Because tippet will be under water and not standing above surface of the water film...
Clinch Knots will definitely slip. The Davy Knot is a cool, simple little knot, but also has a reputation for slipping some. I think the Turle Knot is a nice knot and has a tendency to come straight out of the eye of the hook. It's a bit more difficult to tie than the Improved Clinch in my opinion, but to each their own. Improved Clinch Knots are easy to tie, do not slip and are very strong. It's my favorite for trout fishing for tippet to fly. The Non-Slip Loop Knot is a great knot, but a little more complicated. Great knot though.
In America, the Blood Knot, is a different knot than the Clinch Knots. I believe that was the same in England as well, as I have read many books from when fly fishing originated and they always indicated as such. Advantages of being an old geiser who has fly fished his whole life. LOL
@@gregory4457 You are right Greg Harris Because I'm 74 an old geezer also the things he called the clinch and improved clinch were only half tied poor examples. They were not tied in the proper way.The minimum number of wraps on any lure or fly is 5-7 and it i never used for joining lines or leaders started many years ago using the clinch and moving to the improved clinch after using granny knots as a greenhorn kid. I had no teacher. Three wraps will fail for sure and most of the time will give you curly tails which is a slip and not a break. If you notice he mentioned slipped a lot. I don't believe he got very many breaks on his test especially from just the clinch . I usually got a slip with three wraps just pulling six pound test mono while tightening up. The improved clinch is what i used almost sixty years on lures, hooks and swivels and and has never failed me on mono when properly tied. The blood knot as far as i have ever seen or read is used only in joining lines or leaders. The blond headed guy in the next video is worse than this guy.The new guys on here need to do a search on how to tie fishing knots on google and see the correct way or at least check out catfish and carp web on you-tube and his ten knots and rigging's which will serve most of your fishing needs.The Palomar knot is about the easiest and strongest for lures that I know.
Am I the only one who noticed the Homer Rhodes knot didn't break at the knot ? The line broke way up the line...I don't think 😕 the knot had anything to do with the break?
This is very interesting, and a good tutorial on how to tie these knots (would have liked to see the orvis knot included since I use it frequently). Before I launch into my critique I just want to say that I appreciate your instructional videos and the effort you put into this one in particular. However, as a scientist I'm very disappointed in the strength data. As you acknowledge yourself, a sample size of one is not very reliable. In fact, it can be downright misleading. Please, please please redo this video and increase your sample size to 10-20 per knot. It wouldn't take that much more time and the data would actually be useful. (I am particularly skeptical of the trilene number. No way that this retains 99% of line strength.)
Totally makes sense to run more tests than a single one for the knot average breaking strength - we know that, but didn't have time with the filming schedule we had for that video :(. We'll ask the R&D team if they can run that test again with the Trilene knot over 20 samples to get a more realistic average. Sadly they just left for a product testing trip to the Bahamas, so will be gone for 10 days, but when they get back we will see what they can do.
