Shadow of War - Celebrimbor's Betrayal & Talion Wraith Transformation Cutscene 

_"Keep the Fort"_ -Bruz the Chopper (Shamed)

Brúz was a philosopher ahead of his time. Just like Khârn, the Betrayer -- word is, he's quite the chap. LOL

"IT'S YOUR FORT!! I NEVER WANTED THE FOOOORTT! JUST KEEP THE BLOODY FORT!! . -Brúz the Chopper

No look talon is the bright lord and sauoe is the dark Lord the bad guys go for the dark Lord and good guys go for the bright Lord get it

Adi Cozad, that's not how it works at all, have you even played the game? i guess my cannibal psychotic screaming orc is a good guy.

Emil C and he couldn’t have been more right

Bloody eldar are back stabbing cunts

The same dwarf who spend the rest of is Life fighting with a Elf?

The only Elf I trust is that one whose a Dwarven King, and that's because he hates Elves more than most Dwarves!

He was right

Sauron is an immortal they just destroyed his way into the physical realm not actually killing him but crippling him.

Huh I never knew that

@@skullabrin3085 he is right, Sauron became an armless spirit that was carried away in the wind... Until Morgoth returned...

@@Rafesco ...or Saruman somehow resurrects him

@@LutherannoG Saruman is dead at the end of the war of the ring

Breaking News: The Angry Man Got So Angry Because He Couldn't Die So He Made Mordor His Playground

Literally the whole plot of doom

Darth sion, Darth Vader, Darth Maul, Kratos, Doomslayer, and Scorpion - been there, done that.

Kratos: Been there. Did that.

*doom guy would like a word*

suri berardi he's not the only one fighting right? Yet he's the one who held back the orcs of mordor back for over 10 years by himself using his own orc army.

He held them off for more then 10 years. Shelob said he held the forces of mordor off for DECADES.

CptCrunchyNuts 4 but then he fell into darkness and became a nazgul

As do all who wears a ring of power.

CptCrunchyNuts 4 true

Right? Bitch didn't do shit.

ELTARIEL,YOU ARE SIMPLY FOLLOWING ORDERS OF YOUR STUPID LADY-ELF!!!!!!YOU FIGHTING FOR NOTHING BUT YOURSELF!!!!!! YOU ARE HYPOCRITE ELF!!!!!

agreed

Who did most of the work you knife eared bastards?

the other 1% are literally your orc minions

Love how the girl says he ain’t the only one fighting as if he ain’t the only one who’s making progress and without him nothing else has actually happened

I can't remember what the girl did for the entire story

I Have Kids in my Sack nothing she just runs around throwing knives that do no damage and acting like she’s doing all the work then betrays u at the end

@@wereling1325 If they release a new game I really want her dead,

I Have Kids in my Sack she spent the whole time condemning the rings and saying that it’s evil and it twists whoever wields it they become evil yet the second she gets a chance to puts it on

Sauron acknowledged it, that means celembrimbor is actually dumb

@Alfie BRANCH talion was main strength of celembrimbor, together if not dominate they could kill his physical form, it would make celembrimbor mad but it's better than flaming eye tho

@Alfie BRANCH and Talion was stronger than Eltariel, without her light power shes just death weight. She only could beat and nerfed version of Talion in the dlc.

@Alfie BRANCH b/c as Shelob said, had it been Talion, they would've dominated Sauron

@Alfie BRANCH not mention in the lore the gift of man is true free will to defy fate and shape their own destiny for good or ill as long as they keep fighting. Plus Shelob herself said that if they fought sauron together they would have won!

Lewis Murphy celebrimbor kind of corrupted the biatch

Talion said that Celebrimbor's Ring isn't the same and Elf Chick said something like "We'll see". She probably came to conclusion that the ring didn't corrupt Talion after all like Sauron's Ring did and then saw what good she could do with it in a fight against evil. Aaand theen... She got corrupted. XD That's not "sloppy writing". It would be sloppy writing, if character was like single minded robot, who wouldn't change their mind.

well remember what the ring does to the mind of anyone who is not a baggins....

The ring wasn’t made to corrupt, but power still can. Just because the ring wasn’t in her mind corrupting her doesn’t mean she wasn’t tempted by the power it had.

After seeing Talion finally do the one thing she couldn't, of course she would be convinced. And dominating Sauron? Forever ridding evil AND the Nazgul? Of course she would take the ring. She knew Talion would muck things up after seeing him just... Kill the Nazgul. And Celebrimbor was more than willing to sacrifice his vessel for a new one.

FunnyMadd Games it’s hard to resist the power of a ring. She’s tired of fighting and not gaining ground and thinks dominating them will make things easier/better

+Amanda Logan Making excuses for Eltariel but not Celebrimbor? They're the same thing. Not to mention this game makes the high elves look evil, when in reality all the evil ones died in the First War, Celebrimbor was a good guy and Talion & Eltariel don't exist. And Galadriel wasn't a bitch either

How many times in history has someone made a mistake in thinking they knew what the right thing or best thing to do was? To her, the breaking of Sauron's hold and bringing order might seem liek a better plan, and she might feel she can hold back some of Celebrimbors more extreme tendencies afterwards. After all, theres a reason they say the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Maybe she was like "You DARE do my job for me? Begone!"

EskChan19 “don’t you understand the struggles of an elf woman!? In Mordor, we only get paid 0.77 Mirian an hour! So don’t you dare take my job you fucking straight white dead man!”

Ok this is an amazing comment. I never have said this before, but WHY DOESN'T THIS HAVE MORE UPVOTES???

@@TheFirstCurse1 upvotes? this isnt reddit

@@landlockedcroat1554 Likes, upvotes, hearts, etc. All the same thing.

@@TheFirstCurse1 "bright lord, dark lord same thing really"

The forbidden comments

Nah he aint even a lord of any type of shit He legit just became spider man But that aside He a total psycho at this point This man is a Demon Lord

Heya Bois became spider man 😂😂😂😂😂

Sith lord

Bright lord, dark lord. Same thing really.

Tailion: lord of the ring

Andrew Shuboy He’s an Elf tf do u expect

He got what he wanted. Talion was just baggage at that point.

like he said, Talion was just a vessel

GeoffDaCow well if he would've kept his so call vessel he wouldve won

They weren't friends. It was business and Talion outlived his usefulness to Celebrimbor.....totally wanted the DLC to kill him and the Elf broad....

Elves are always sneaky dicks.

+Deathgane But no Eltariel? But seriously, don't worry. In the actual lore, Celly is a good guy

Nothing will be forgotten..... the trailer said that.... and oh i never forgot. Nor did i ever forgive. Ethariel and Celebrimbor. Mineth scorn is thine forever silver of hand. And servant of the elf queen

It's only been a year lol how could you develop your feelings any differently? But still just recently played this and was shocked. Glad I didn't screw myself and watch cutscenes early because I was honestly shocked by all of this. So bitter sweet... wasn't expecting such an ending. Can't believe that some say that this story sucked.

@@valthiriansunstrider2540 of course we are pissed of at eltairel too but she was an dick from the start so her betrayal wasnt surprising while celebrimbor acted like an good guy and betrayed talion

Looks like him to

A true Alpha Sigma Male

Of all of middle earth

Talion did Eltariel's job for her, she didn't even try to kill Isildur when he was down.

God forbid she give up her ring to save Talion

​@@liquidmangof course she didn't because then she wouldn't have her fingers anymore

​@@zambekillerand??? She can still fight without the two digits, its not like her life is in danger without them. His life is in serious danger without a ring

@@theglassis2331 that's the point she doesn't give up the ring because of greed it's also why she didn't destroy that ring as well when it's counterpart was destroyed and her failing to save talion is one of the reasons no one really likes her.

Me too.

Shelob is mommy

Cojo1225 me too granted shelob ain’t exactly innocent herself but unlike the elf fucker she didn’t hide who she was or what her goals were and I could tell from the web of fate collectibles that she wasn’t going to betray them because she herself was betrayed

No one can trust shelob. Not the real shelob anyway. The second game ruined all the characters present in it. Giant spider anit-christ = Sexy femme fatale mother figure? -Vomits in his own mouth a little, then swallows it back down-

@@picklefathernurgle2719 yea true it would have been cool just to keep her as the huge ass spider. Me personally it looks nicer. But i get why they changed it where she shape shifts basically. It helps with interactions with talion. But if it was her as the spider only it would different and the memory collectibles probs wouldnt be a thing at all

Red Racer No shit.

"Bright Lord, Dark Lord, same thing really." Bruz the Chopper

Red Racer gotta love how you bother to spell "nazgûl" right but still misses "mordor" completely

Red Racer he could have ended Sauron right then and there, but yet again he shows us that he is a coward. But in the end he was shown up by Frodo, a hobbit, who actually destroyed Sauron by destroying the one ring.

For whatever reason I'm picturing the dirty kind of dominate involving whips and a closed bedroom door

She didnt save him, she gave him a choice before he died

I didn't think he'd betray him till the new Ring was made, and part of Celebrimbor's soul went with it. He became such a heartless man at that point. Still fucked me up because Talion has done so fucking much for you lmao, he's the reason you ALMOST WON. You WOULD have won had you not been so focused on domination. When Celebrimbor became focused on Domination primarily I knew shit was gonna happen between him and Talion lmao

​@@thecommentguy9380no talian has always been the traitor

Shelob is using Talion like Celebrimbor was, but shes being far more upfront about it than he was. “One day, you will submit to the power of the ring. Do not let that day be today” She tells him outright he will fall to the dark lords power eventually, but to keep fighting anyway

​@friccle_ to be fair he kinda knew that eventually it would ware him down. But he put it on anyway to keep fighting

Yeah, talion an sam-wise are the best lotr characters.

Talion's not a real Lord of the Rings character. Good gameplay, but the story is a cheap slap in the face to the books.

@@easttowest7839 it isn't, they made it pretty clear in the beginning that they wanted to just create their own story here. People are so annoying with this. Its a pretty good game that takes some of the story of the books and recreates it in a different world. How is that so hard to grasp?

Jake stop taking the books so seriously

@@easttowest7839 Still fun to imagine a non-elf mortal hero in the books or movies. Ever since I played the games, I can't help but think about Talion's power level when I see Aragorn about to die to one olog at the Battle of the Black Gate.

Scp 2521 same

Scp 2521 Talion had it comin' HE'S AN IDIOT! He had SEVERAL opportunities to get an advantage in his war against Sauron like Zog he didn't have to dominate him he could have talked to him formed an alliance that's what I would do the guy raised a BALROG from the dead! And he had Carnan ya know mother nature? He could have an army of beasts too and on top of all that he dominated a Nazgúl a freakin' Nazgúl an IMMORTAL creature with the ability to summon an army of ghosts! But he had to get all high and mighty and release it because he was not Celebrimbor's to enslave well geuss what Talion!? By this point YOU HAVE ENSLAVED HALF OF MORDOR!

Michael dovan Hell That’s accurate 0___0 Still. We don’t want eltariel to be in the game but apparently what choice do we have?

Scp 2521 look I agree not Eltariel as the main character maybe an uruk or Celebrimbor himself we played as him once and that was in Shadow of Mordor in a DLC and don't lie you would like to play as a guy badass as him. Now I know that the Nazgúl are suffering but I would release them if I dominated them after I crushed the armies of Sauron, took the light the she-elf uses and burn Shelob into dust and tore Barad-Dúr to the ground rebuild Celebrimbor's home for all other elves and use Mt. Doom to forge new rings and give them to those who *I* see worthy and Sauron? I would make Sauron MY servant...

Scp 2521 *AND AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO REMEMBERS THAT TALION WILLINGLY LET HIMSELF BECOME THE BITCH OF SHELOB AFTER GIVING HER THE RING!?*

I laghed when I first saw Talion do that.

It shows that in a way he understood celebrimbor's mentality shift. He fought and was alone for a much longer time than talion was when he fought to contain sauron and his army in mordor. He lost his family and slowly stopped thinking about them and it shows that he lost his humanity slowly as the years rolled on.

Damn he got betrayed and left for dead yet he still forgives and misses him thats fucked up

​@@christiansantamaria7233this means that Talion kept fighting not for the sake of revenge but for everyone's good.

@@christiansantamaria7233its funny he forgives Celebrimbor but not Eltariel

Sometimes I wonder about that. "No man can kill me." Then she says, "I am no man." So she was able to kill him just because she was a woman? I feel like that's similar to Revenge of the Fallen, "only a Prime can defeat the Fallen." And Optimus being the only one able to just because he's a Prime.

@@CinemaSongscovers The only reason Eowyn was able to kill the Witch-King is because Merry had just stabbed him with the knife he got from the barrow-wight den in the books. The movies don't explain this, but the knife is enchanted and this affected the Witch-King. Eowyn stabbing him in the face was the final blow. Without Merry's knife, it's almost certain the result would have been very different. Remember how Aragorn lit the Nazgul on fire and they came back later in the movie like nothing happened? And with the whole Prime thing, I always assumed it was just because non-primes weren't strong enough to deal with The Fallen and would lose the fight.

@@CinemaSongscovers I'm not sure if you have read the books,but in the hooks Glorfindel the elf prophesies,"Not by the hand of a man shall he fall".The Witch King hears this and assumes Glorfindel is saying that no man is powerful enough to kill him.That is not true. It is extremely hard to kill the Witch King but not impossible and as in the case of the prophecy in Macbeth,it is a literary quibble.The Witch King is killed by a *Woman* because of his overconfidence that no man can kill him and of course Merry's enchanted Barrow Blade.

@@CinemaSongscovers There are multiple layers to that, and semantics are ALWAYS important in prophecy. The actual prophecy was "Not by the hand of man shall he fall". Layer 1: Merry. Meriadoc Bradybuck is a hobbit, not a man. Man, in LOTR, refers to Humans under most circumstances. Layer 2: The Barrow Blade. Merry's "Sword" is an ancient weapon, wrought by men, yes, but imbued with Magic, and embedded with vengeful malice over centuries by the Barrow Wights that the Witch King created by corrupting the Barrow Downs of Arnor Layer 3. Eyown. Eyown is a woman. she qualifies for the prophecy by a secondary interpretation of the word "Man". You've also confused how prophecies generally work. Unless there's a specific magic at work (There isn't in this case), Prophecies don't explicitly limit who CAN, only who WILL. Glorfindel's prophecy isn't him saying, "There's no man alive capable of killing the Witch King" it's him saying "I've seen the future, and I know how the witch King dies". And it's quite possibly cryptic on purpose, to make the Witch King arrogant in his own strength. Similarly, Take the story of Macbeth. "No man born of woman shall kill you". That's what the three witches tell Macbeth. They literally just told him how he would die, but he interpreted it as "Nobody can kill me" There's a huge semantic difference between "Can" and "Will".

@@CinemaSongscovers Macbeth died because some dude was born out of a c-section. Prophesies are vague and technicalities are usually the cause of death.

Angels Fluttershy She has remorse"Our sacrifice are not in vain"celebrimbor doesnt

Étienne Gauthier no shes fuked up too

Fucking Elves, man.

So you're basically telling me this stupid elf bitch left poor talion who by the way beat souron himself with celebrembor and held off the army's for decades and has been fighting since the day he died which I am now hearing he died twice now but is betrayed by that elf and celebrembor himself left to die a painful death I have 3 things to say fuck that stupid bitch elf fuck celebrembor and fuck that game

she does have remorse, she feels bad for talion and warns him numerous times on the path he's leading. Earlier in the game she says something like "what will you offer me? your soul? *big ass sniff* theirs so little left.." it was completely up to him whether or not he actually decided to put on the ring or do what he did. He knew what he was getting into. add on if talion did stay with celimbrimbor they would have won and dominated sauron (i don't know if this is because talion is better then elterarial in combat or he's just more synced up with celi and they work better together or what) and we'd have the bright lord. he chose to become a counter balance for as long as he could hold out, and in terms of the lore its pretty fucken ridiculous that he lasted as long as he did (a few decades, likely dying over and over again in the process along with the taunts from the witch king)

Mean while a certain dude from mortal kombat: THAT BASTARD STOLE MY LINE

Just realized he did almost exactly what Zog wanted to do lmao

And here I thought: "Ermac?!"

Lotr would be far shorter if he was sent after the fellowship.

@@i_am_squishy6230 He would’ve destroyed Aragorn haha

@@i_am_squishy6230 bro lotr wouldnt be able to handle talion hes too op 😂💀

Everyone forgets that Talion survives while being a Nazgûl and even hunts after Frodo

@@sethgaston8347not the same universe, if Talion was in the movies the Frodo wouldn’t have made it out of the shire

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-nP74uhq6u4g.html stakuga the torturer made a justice

@@infergath7863LOL

It’s even worse in her DLC

Lol what, they never painted her as the "hero" after her betrayal. She's a side-character that becomes an antagonist. Just because you play as a character, doesn't mean they're the hero

I saw her as nothing more than a backstabbing traitor who wanted the power of the ring despite saying herself that rings corrupt the user.

GrayGhoul I got that too it’s a little sad those two went through so much together

I'm sure that talion would've only welcomed celebrimbor back as he was a nazgûl. thing is, you can't trust celebrimbor because he'd want to dominate talion in return. that might give and edge against sauron tho?

Even after all he did. I still miss Celebrimor

"wars should not be waged alone"

Crushed me just a bit when I heard that for the first time. I genuinely felt a bit of a bond between Talion and Celebrimbor, and to hear Talion confirm that on his end after Celebrimbor left him for dead... it hits the feels hard.

He's beyond vengeance now.

“This isnt about your petty vengeance. *or mine* “ He’s basically seeing the bigger picture now. And also he’s power hungry

Talion is beyond vengeance too, thats the thing Celebrimbor didnt realize. Talion just want to defeat Sauron's threat once and for all and save middle earth.

@friccle_ and also he's stupid

@@friccle_ Mf he's not power hungry he's power starved

The ending that made people hate Eltariel even more. Somehow a developer thought a dlc that let you play as the most hated character in the series would be successful. I dont usually hate game characters, but if they wanted Eltariel to be a likeable antagonist, they really fucked up.

I never really thought she was villainous in this story, she was definitely more of a do what needs to be done kind of person who knew not to trust Celebrimbor and wanted Talion to do what needed to be done so he could find peace, Sauron could be defeated, and Middle Earth would be safe. I thought it was heavily implied she was a heroic character that distrusted Celebrimbor.

To Elves, humans are gone in the blink of an eye anyway. So what does it matter?

And even the Witch King is more appreciative on Talion’s struggle

​@@jauharal-rozaq6660yes because he's a Man, just like Talion and the rest of the Nazgul. Even though he's dominated by Sauron he still has sympathy for a fellow Man and knows how their race gets played by the Elder races such as the Elves and the Maiar. This is why he calls him "brother". You wouldn't hear him say that to an elf.

He's one of the best characters in gaming. Up there with snake, Arthur Morgan, Nathan drake, and dante.

@@ace9924 what about ezio?

@@shadowninja1059 oh yeah and ezio and Edward

Let’s give some love for Niko Bellic

​@@ace9924I'm really glad someone agrees. Talion is one of Troy Baker's most underrated characters.

Gondorians are probably busy protecting osgiliath

Yes is very tragic he held the forces of darknes for decades and nobody knew who was protecting the world...

@@leonardoanizetti7138 That's why it's so Sick, he gave his life for it with the knowing destiny, even when he has to be corrupted from the Dark Force he wanted to fully destroy. He couldn't do that anymore, but he could protected Mankind. He losed, but he gave no freaks, and stayed till the very end to protect at last.

Like a Leaf in the Wind 😂😂😂

Like a Leaf in the Wind not even knocked down, they destroyed themselves with more lies in their history than the humans

Legolas is aight tho

@@k1ng_BL0C Dont You Mean "Like A Turd In The Wind"?

Oh when you think the elves are bad in LOTR, then you shouldn't look at the humans... 😂😂

Maybe Gray Lord?

Wraith Lord sounds pretty decent

Lord of the Dead

Lich King.

Shadow Lord or Shadow King

EXACTLY AND SHE COULD HAVE

Not to mention talion would WIPE the floor against her but naw we gotta play as her and kill him so stupid

@@kevinmillerwaynejr1962EXACTLY

@ButEye LoveU I AGREE

@@kevinmillerwaynejr1962 I like to think that he was still in there somewhere fighting and that's why she was able to beat him i like Eltarial still but talion will forever be my favorite lord of the rings character.

@@jared1465 they both got corrupted, my point is that celebrimbor left talion to take revenge on Saraun and failed miserably bc of his own ego, while talion took his betrayal in stride and did what he could to keep the shadow wars going by making Orcs fight each other so they had to wait longer to get to full power allowing man to prepare.

@@jared1465 he wanted to dominate cos he was apansy and gave up trying to kill sauron cos he thought it was impossible. So the next step for him was to take his armies and him and in his words "give light to mordor" whereas shelobs vision was he got drunk on power and would have warred against the rest of the world.

What the fuck happened to this comment section.

The guy is trippin talking to himself lmaoo

WE ARE HERE ON THE COMMENT SECTION, WHERE A SHITSTORM HAS BEGUN

To be fair, I think a lot of people kind of half expected this to happen. After all, they foreshadow it A LOT in the game, and even the previous one

In shadow of mordor when talion gains a skill his eyes glow blue like a dominated orc, using imagery to suggest talion is influenced/dominated

In the bright lord dlc, Celebrimbor states that “all shall fear me and rejoice.” It implies that he intends to try to overthrow Sauron again, to conquer Mordor. And that he wasn’t doing it to save middle earth.

@@pelinalwhitestrake5055 Speaking of that DLC, I seem to recall seeing his flesh form sitting on a chair, which I presume to be a throne of some kind. That leads me to think that Celebrimbor was ruling Mordor from the start and Sauron overthrew him. Hence why in Shadow of War he says "restored to Light, not Darkness." I could be wrong about it, but it's a thought I had.

@@CinemaSongscovers Celebrimbor meant that before Sauron, Mordor was a beautiful, lush land until it was perverted by the dark lord.

riddly mcmagic He couldn't. You think he would be able to do that when his throat is cut and bleeding? If it were not for plot armor, he would be dead.

I just think it would be a cool boss fight. Think about it,Talion and Celebrimbor duking it out, with the ability to either accept your fate as a nazgul,but continue to resist sauron, or put on the new ring and continue to resist sauron with both rings giving you different abilities and going to 2 completely different endings,because this game isn't canon, defeating sauron with the power of the new ring,or becoming a slave to him under the influence of Isuldur's ring. I think that would've been cool,thats all. But he does have some serious plot armour.

You guys are acting like talion has naruto type plot armor....he really barley has plot armor shelob brought him back he actually died

@@jirengray6188 yes

@@jirengray6188 Dude that's what plot armor means. No matter what happens the protagonist will somehow make it out alive.

People need to be governed!

Isaac Allen it is most likely that the orcs can only see talion and therefore they do not know of calebrimbor

Doesn't matter who they can see, the domination came from the ring and the wraith not Talion's appearance. I imagine it's a plot hole they really didn't want to get elaborate on to fill in. I mean over all I felt like the ending was a bit rushed.

I think they kept it how it was due to all the progress you would lose if they followed the story. Most players wouldn't react well to start all over from scratch.

Raymond Colon especially if they have to fight the monster of orcs they created like. Has all the buffs but no weaknesses

Talion does keep all of his abilities that he had with Celebrimbor, therefore it is possible that he maintained some of the power needed for them to still see him as the one that turned them.

@Oliver Emmett Knox Pick your universe. Either you are defending Tolkien elves here or you are talking Dragon Age elves.

So in other words, you have read very little of Tolkien's writing.

I agree, the elves were kinda evil since Feanor

At least Elrond is alright, sort of

@@cannibalraptor yes but that is because of the legacy of his bloodline. If i remember correctly he as a descendant of beren and luthien has the choice of becoming a mortal man or immortal elve. So he is also part Man that is why he is not as high and mighty as the rest of them.

Amy Lee...

Wake me up

Wake me up inside

@@tobi5988 I can't wake up

@@pragmaticpuppy2715 save me

Yep. That is why authoritarianism looks good only on paper. You think you can be ruller and push society into Golden Age, but at the end you are just another bad guy.

DarthYodaXIII only a sith deals in absolutes.

@@tuxedosteve1904 hypocritical since Jedis are the ones who deal with only absolutes. Think about it

Source?

DarthYodaXIII what our english teacher used to say..

it was

Thats how i wished the story would go

Way cooler and it what everyone wants.

Maybe in the third one.

Nixon YT third one? This one shows the ending to the entire series already, Talión finds piece and the elf starts tracking down Cele when Sauron dies and they are separated.

Talion's last vestiges of reason: Mi'Lord , let ME go after them. Sauron: Oh....and why should I allow this? Talion: Because they will not see me coming. They'll assume that I've come as a friend...when their backs are turned , i'll strike them down. Sauron: they're elves they will suspect treachery. Talion: and they'll think i'm human and my resilience knows no bounds and that I can be redeemed. Sauron: can you? Talion:... I serve the ring. Sauron:...very well...bring them alive, I could use more wraiths. *later* Sauron: I TOLD YOU TO BRING THEM ALIVE!!! Talion: elves are so....brittle. They broke easy. *Eltariel's and Celebrimbor's screams echo in his mind as he snickers* VERY easy. Sauron: ...very well, knowing you killed them is enough a field test of your abilities. you won't be defeated easily...unless you know something absurd happens, like a woman and a hobbit team up... Talion: The who and the what now? Sauron: nothing.

It was a tribute to the demons, hence why it reminds you of them.

Kind of reminded me of Ermac from mk9 “We are many, you are but one”

That's because Ermac is also inspired by Legion...

WoW legion orrrr?

MoreRaccoons Biblical Legion, the main root of all multi-thinking hosts.

M’aiq the Liar I think it was an mk reference (Mortal Kombat)

Please just go

What's the joke

@@JohnyMiko it rhymes

@@trystanardithya7344 I thought the joke was that you cannot do such a thing to Mordor as restordor ordor

No, Sauron is even more powerful than the orcs so he took over Cerebrimbor.

Sauron's eyes turned blue. If Celebrimbor kept his hold a little longer, he would've dominated Sauron. Also, at the end, they became ONE. Sauron didn't have control of Celebrimbor. They were fighting inside the eye until the Very End. Oh and How do you manage to spell Celebrimbor's name wrong?

He was stating that orcs can resist domination but for some reason sauron cannot. The OC was basically asking why is this lol.

redviper57 The orcs resist because of the hold the Nazgul and Sauron had over them, like a trace of them remains, but if Sauron looses control all of the orcs and Nazgul are cut loose to do what they desire, so by that if Celibrinbor dominates Sauron there is nothing to resist him

Guess him slowly losing counts as shaming? :D But if you remember, Sauron isint at his strongest, since he doesnt have his ring.

Not exactly.

LoL

He stole his quote

@@uniquecorn491 Ermac's quote was like "We are many, you are but one. We will destroy you." or something like that.

That was the first thing I thought when he said “We are many.”

Yep.

Not true. They are literally the ONLY Ones who get shot done. Dwarves and Men create always one mess after the other and it then it’s up to the Elves to clean up. Which is why they ultimately grow tired and left

​@@aranha6285Ew, elves

​@@aranha6285yeah they better gtfo, elf bastard

Greed isn't. Need is

That's mostly Morgoth's fault.

I mean...in the end he is Sauron😂😂😂

@@sushi_ist_lecker3524 I guess in a way, Bruz kinda knew what he was saying. "Bright Lord, Dark Lord, same thing really." Almost like he was forshadowing Celebrimbor's betrayal, showing his true colors.

Giuseppe D'Addio sounds like dbz abridge reference lol

Mast3RRBlast3RR E X A C T L Y

Ha ha merry Christmas for talion

Leo Tulloch We killed Santaaah-aah-ahh! *cries*

in an alternate universe celebrimbor is the straight one while his vessel is just a asshole who sees everything as an antic

Also, celebrimbor said to talion once “we crafted a ring” while laughing after talion telling celebrimbor he crafted the ring.

Also Sauron said that losing Ranger was a mistake. Meaning he probably knew that what the ring was really made of.

I also feel like it was never going to really work. It barely works on captains. If they could break free then that would not last long.

I'm late to the party. But there is a throwaway line where talion asks celebrimbor "how much of your soul was lost in that ring?" So not only does that coincide with your theory but probably explains why celebrimbor was suddenly so hellbent on domination.

On top of everything everyone else already added, Shelob also says she saw a future where it was Talion with Celebrimbor and they actually defeated Sauron, again proving your theory

I hope if they make another game that Eltariel isn't the main character. That'd piss me off so much.

The Grand Director I think it would be cool that if there’s another game that Eltariel and Celibrimbor are the villains. We see that Eltariel answers gelebrimbors call after the one ring is destroyed. And we also know that Celebrimbor is practically evil at this point and I wouldn’t be surprised if Eltariel is corrupted by the new ring.

To be fair it's implied that the hatred of his betrayal is in part what fuels him to be corrupted by the ring, and like the previous comments that 80 years is a long time to last but in the end he does finally get peace which makes me happy

@@datwhiteboi6256 Hmm, till now i thought it was other way around, that his pure hatred towards Celebrimbor was the reason why she was able to resist that long. Corruption is inevitable for anyone who would dare to wear a ring of power. Some are more resistant to it, but hatred or no, corruption is ultimate end for every ring-bearer(with exception of Elven three). For dwarven rings, it was corruption by greed, for humans it was corruption by power.

@@HanithSVK The rings of power dont corupt you unles some one ( mainly Sauron ) has and uses the one ring. Afcorse exeption is if you have the one ring itself. And dont use the game as a reference its not canon in any way if it was cannon then Talion wasnt gona be alive but if he was the nazgul ring was not gona corupt him.

Celebrimbor is a tragic figure and a much more tragic character than talion. Talion was able to reunite with his family while celebrimbor couldn't since it's likely that his family was reincarnated and confined to the world. He was a good elf but being a wraith made him lose himself. There is still a small part of him that's sane, when celebrimbor stared at talion's body when he betrayed him, you can detect some hidden regret.

Actually he already had plans to usurp Sauron when he was still wearing Sauron's ring. Defeating Sauron would have allowed him to carry out all of his plans, but the One Ring returned to its master when Celebrimbor was so close to victory.

I actually completed it around the same time as you, and my god was that a heartbreaking betrayal. At least Talion looked like a badass while taking Minas Morgul🥲

"SILENCE!" - Celebrimbor to the Tower in the first game "...And he can release you at any time they wish." - The Tower, not being silent.

You must have rocks in your head! THIS is Minas Morgul! And you are ONE man!

@@shadowstrider8295 I'm one. But we are many.

Honestly…yeah

Your right

Ratbag had a respecct for Talion that, while not reciprocated, was still there

Forshadow

@@omarnewman691 ... of Mordor

Cuz this was her one shot to solve the Sauron problem permanently

The scene is self explanatory. She sees that this ''perfect ring'' in Celebrimbor hands allows to dominate Isildur Wringwraith's form, cutting him-off completely of Sauron's influence. Seeing is believing. All she could do before was endlessly banishing the Wringwraiths she would beat, but they were always returning. This time, she knows they can be dominated/killed permanently and THAT IS THE TASK that Galadriel gave her. Besides, Celebrimbor is done with Talion after he releases Isildur. Celebrimbor wanted him as his fighter, so Talion's attachment to his former Humans species is bad for the Elfs who are constantly called to mop Humans' gaffes and mistakes. Talion f* up and he found out.

@@Juicexlx except for her lack of doing anything against the wraiths in fact he was doing HER job he banished the wraith so why would she do that when he was doing what her job is for her he killed one permanently so using her mission as a reason contradicts it because talion killed it permanently

It really is a great series. I hope they make more.

The only thing bad was the lootbox shit

@@KakashiKyle9 This game no have loot box in This time

It's the closest we'll ever get to playing as Darth Vader unless Disney sells Star Wars to another company.

@@nightdriver7216 Darth is playable in Battlefront games, but yeah it isn't the same.

Your ex is an elf?

@@v16vredunderscore63 Their ex wanted to use the power of the Rings to enslave and conquer Middle Earth

_honestly tho._

@@Shadouga Mood

With that anime pfp you've never even had anybody who's loved you lmao.

He was right, absolutely right

"Vessel" is term for material entity holding immaterial entity (soul, dmeon, god, etc.). So yest Talion was vessel.

Well the main group of antagonists in that game (cant remember the name) were fixated on getting celembribor to dominated within sauron from the very begining in shadow of mordor

Fun fact: There is a rare orc that made his armor from The Tower's remnants, and calls himself the rebirth of him.

@@Petaurista13 after him being a Vessel The man was drained by vengeance To the point of becoming a fuckin psycho He became more than a Lord He became a living nightmare He terrified the fuck out of anyone who would simply look at him

"UNCLE SARUMAN NEEDS YOU TO DIE, TALION!" - Senator Celebrimbor