Shakespeare was a fake (...and I can prove it) | Brunel University London 

Agree ☺️

Those video games will make you very limited. You'll understand when you're older and it hurts to move. All of those years of your young life that you wasted on these useless fantasies will be a regret, but it will be far too late. You NEVER get that time back.

@@Valkonnen Could you elaborate why it's wrong playing video games in your free time?

@@claudius2049 What could be wrong with literally wasting the time that you have while you are young, playing games? If you cannot think of anything better to do, to occupy your life or it's so idle that all you can do is play these useless games, then I don't know what to tell you. I'm older than you are, so that allows me to make real-life comparisons that you cannot. The average 20 year old in 1967 would be pretty well rounded as far as education, and if you were to speak with them you could hold an adult conversation. The average 20 something and even 30 something today, first of all, all look the same. T-shirt, cap, and shorts. They ALL dress like little kids and see absolutely nothing wrong with that. A person with no real passion, who hasn't done the work to learn about things in a real way (Not Google) is very limited in what they know and how they behave. I can see it, but you can't. Just the fact that you are probably a guy over 20 years old who would even ask a question like that, shows it to be true.

@@Valkonnen Don’t think you can blame video games for all that. I do agree however that it’s a waste of time, but people were wasting time in 1967 too, nothing wrong with having some fun. The trick is moderation. I think internet knowlege is far worse when it comes to “limited” knowlege today, for several reasons. Just see how Google will provide easy and extraordinary shallow answers to almost any question. It hardly requires any thinking. I could find what date Napoleon died, without knowing a single thing about him, not even how to spell his name correctly. It’s a trade-off however, because the younger you are, the more well adapted to the multiple input stream of modern society you will be, and specialized knowlege should (in theory) be easier to attain. Look at how well versed young people are in the art of digital communication. Not a good trade perhaps, but older people created this world. Look at RU-vid, it’s algorithms push videos of a certain length etc. for marketing reasons (based on marketing principles that were around in 1967). As a result you’d likely find several biographies of Napoleon that are under 20 min, which will do little more than career highlights that most won’t remember anyway (and probably some that claim he had ties to ancient aliens or illuminati or something). It’s not all bad though, but I recognize the general “lack” of well rounded knowlege you’re talking about. Thing is, people that grew up before internet and videogames were the ones to click celebrity news, and clickbait-y headlines. The ones to watch short cat videos and infomercial like documentaries. Later generations will take it their own ways, hopefully in a better direction. Like this guy here, he haf a great experience watching a 1,5h video of some old geezer talking, instead of entertaining himself with gaming, why criticize him for it? Young people aren’t stupid, they just grew/grow up in a different world, and while I think we should all point out when we think something important is being lost, it’s far too easy to blame it on young people “wasting their lives”.

I wonder if he knows there are references to Maro, Nestor and Olympus in the Manes Verulamiani.

Even if there were nothing to the claim of hermeticsm, the analysis would still be brilliant. You got to give him that. But what are the odds?

@@YourGreatPotential The odds are 100% You can derive anything you like if you're prepared to make up the context by which you 'decode' your message, which is what Waugh does.

oh come on, open your mind a little. ​@@Nullifidian

​@@mithras666 Open my mind to what? "Open my mind", in this context, seems to mean "ignore the invalid means by which Waugh achieves his results". But why should I "open my mind" to an invalid method? It's not going to improve its accuracy or trustworthiness. All I could possibly gain from this is self-delusion, and I can't see any reason why I should want to be delusional.

LoL!

well, Bacon was still alive, so... y'know Shakespeare was just an imaginary character who needed a death.

@@ExxylcrothEagle Are you kidding? Shakespeare's existence is testified to in the Stratford parish register. Richard Quiney wrote a letter to him. He purchased New Place and the Blackfriars Gatehouse. He's recorded as receiving four yards of scarlet cloth along with the rest of his company so that he could wear the livery of King James in a procession, as a member of the King's Men. He's recorded in the cast lists of _Every Man in His Humour_ and _Sejanus His Fall_ in Ben Jonson's _Workes_ . John Webster mentions Shakespeare, along with several other contemporaneous playwrights, in his letter to the reader that prefaced _The White Devil_ . You think all of this is "imaginary"?

@@Nullifidian you do realize how easy it would be to cook those books? the Stratford parish register??? hahahahah I'm saying that Bacon was the son of Elizabeth!!! That he had a lot of access to a lot of stuff. Honestly, the things you list are completely silly when seen from a different perspective. And I'm not saying that Bacon and De Vere didn't collaborate. It really likely is a collaboration....but I don't believe that deVere was the THRUST of this. He didn't have that big of a chip on his shoulder in 1590...but Bacon definitely did.... NO, All of this is not imaginary. It is just not difficult to write these things in a ledger etc when one has the proper security clearance. And we haven't even begun to discuss 'motive'. Hamlet makes much more sense when you read it or watch it with it in mind that Bacon is the son of Elizabeth and Dudley. Dudley was only recently deceased when the first hints of Hamlet arise..... allegedly..... What role if any did the Queen have in the death of Robert Dudley? The existential despair of this character, this child, this Bacon.... HAM-let...what was it like to realize that you are the son of the Queen and at what age did that happen? Would some scrub from Stratford really be poking fun at Lord Burghley William Cecil in the character of Polonius??? I'm just getting started but I have a lot of stuff to do today...

@@ExxylcrothEagle Yes, I do realize how easy: not easy at all. In fact, it would be virtually impossible, because the Stratford parish register existed to document all the baptisms, marriages, and burials for Holy Trinity Church in Stratford. Therefore, it was _constantly_ being added to, and going back decades after the putative birth of the playwright the conspirators would have found the page already filled up with entries and no place to make a new one, because nobody in 1564 knew that they were going to have to leave a blank space to forward a conspiracy that would happen decades in the future. And I don't care what brand of lunacy you're peddling, whether it be the Prince Tudor speculation or any other kind of speculation. Speculation doesn't overturn the known documentary record. Official, personal, and literary records all show that Shakespeare existed. If you want to see it for yourself, you can visit the site Shakespeare Documented run by the Folger Library. "Honestly, the things you list are completely silly when seen from a different perspective." And what you've listed is completely silly when seen from the fact that there's not an iota of evidentiary support for it. " Dudley was only recently deceased when the first hints of Hamlet arise....." Quite. He died in 1588 and the Q1 of Shakespeare's _Hamlet_ was published in 1603. A mere fifteen years. Hardly any time at all. The earliest documented reference to _Hamlet_ is the Stationer's Register entry dated 26 July 1602 saying "James Robertes Entred for his Copie vnder the handes of mr Pasfeild and mr waterson warden A booke called the Revenge of Hamlett Prince Denmarke as yt was latelie Acted by the Lo: Chamberleyne his servantes". "The existential despair of this character, this child, this Bacon.... HAM-let..." Yes, and clearly the conspiracy reached back to the 12th century and changed the name of the figure mentioned in Saxo Grammaticus' _Gesta Danorum_ to Amleth so that it could be Anglicized as Hamlet and used to make a porcine pun on Bacon's surname four centuries later. After all, we know how easy it is to cook those books... when you have a TARDIS. "Would some scrub from Stratford really be poking fun at Lord Burghley William Cecil in the character of Polonius???" This is immaterial because Polonius isn't a representation of Lord Burghley.

Because they were poets and they just HAD to speak, but the Star Chamber would have persecuted them for doing do openly. I'm not being sarcastic here. That's actually what Alexander Waugh claims.

Caius Martius Coriolanus Yeah...i guess you just simply gotta love Alexander Waugh lol. But i think i would take him more seriously if he wasn't such a narcissist. And fitting the "evidence" to fit HIS hypnosis, instread of the other way around, and it wasn"t so self serving and convoluted, would have helped. But i guess you just gotta take what you get

It WAS found ultimately. The hiders would probably have been shocked that it took so long. They probably would have been shocked that anyone took the Stratford thing as seriously as they do.

@@the17thearlofoxford38 Oxfordians should be rightly proud. They managed to find something that was never lost or hidden to begin with.

From hence your memory death cannot take, Although in me each part will be forgotten. Your name from hence immortal life shall have, Though I, once gone, to all the world must die:

Well, I could say that I expect, if you are not so bright, that you would find this talk 'intriguing and fascinating'. But that would not be fair to you at all. I don't believe that you are anything like 'not so bright' as you claim, but there is such a thing as common sense and a feeling for reality that is part of intelligence (which is not the abstract sort of thing that an IQ test suggests), and in all honesty, I think a bit of common sense, a feeling for what is real and what is not, is quite sufficient to see that the little web of deception that Mr Waugh weaves is full of holes.

@@timothyharris4708 - I did say I find it fascinating and intriguing, I didn’t say I believed every word of it. ☺️ He did explain it clearly enough for me to follow where he was going, but I confess, I didn’t understand the 4 'Ts' theory, since some of the text he referred to has more than 4 'Ts' and I am too lazy to bother counting all of the characters. However, I am aware that there was a tremendous amount of sophisticated encryption used in those times. I’m not sure that I buy into the conflation of Greek mythology and Latin text, but as I say, I'm not that bright/intelligent and it isn’t anything that I have looked into. Perhaps you are correct and it is a common sense reaction.

@@timothyharris4708 - I also found the documentary film, Cracking the Shakespeare code fascinating too! 😉. I am particularly amazed that many academics cannot seem to accept that a grammar school educated person could be capable of penning his own works.

@@we4r119 Dear We, thank you for your response. I suppose that the reason I find these ideas about 'encryption' and 'codes' so utterly dubious, is that I find it incredible a) that someone writing for the popular stage would want to add to the difficulty of writing (very good) plays the difficulty of adding in encrypted information in odd places which certainly would not be understood by the audience, were not deciphered at the time and if noticed and deciphered at all would be by those who were already in the know, and would only be discovered 400 years later by such as Alexander Waugh. And b) plays were not much regarded as 'literature', which is why many plays of the era were lost - Ben Jonson was the first playwright to publish a 'first folio' of some of his plays in 1616, Shakespeare''s First Folio was published in 1623, long after his death. It is not so much academics who are unable to accept that an Elizabethan grammar-schoolboy could have written the works, as people who understand little of the history of the time, or who (rather like those who find codes in the Bible or who avidly follow the latest QAnon conspiracy-mongering) like to pretend that they have found all sorts of coded references in the plays and elsewhere (something that is easier to do if you are sufficiently gullible than is generally supposed), or are incorrigible snobs.

You're bright enough to know how to use proper punctuation and capitalization, which puts you ahead of about 75% of commenters. Don't sell yourself short.

I concur.

That's a great way to look at it.

Sounds gay to me

What a total waste of time. Brunel has lowered its reputation as a serious university. Why does anyone give this Buffon Waugh any time. Misguided pseudo intellectual

Vulgar eye, vulgar tongue.

Amen!

Sometimes it is a sentence beginning after a section of 17 lines- ie. line 18. Sometimes it is the 17th line. Once you have decided it is 17 you can find ways to make it fit. I have already pointed out that Oxford signed himself Edward OXENFORD. The signature being entirely his choice!

My mind had an orgasm reading this !

What ? !

But mastery of what? Symbols?

Though not a mathematician myself (but a Shakespeare-lover), I had the same thought: it was manifestly an ellipse, not a circle!

@@olafshomkirtimukh9935 Find a reliable source image of the Sonnets and place a perfect circle over the points. It works perfectly and is not an elipse. In this youtube video the image is compressed. I would not trust any test without doing it for oneself using an original edition of the Sonnets.

The theorem about a triangle inscribed in a circle, with a diameter as its hypotenuse, is called Thales theorem. Anyway, several of the marked "right angles" were visibly not white 90 degrees - maybe none of them were exactly 90 degrees.

Shakespeares children didn't know how to read and write...

@@justinspicyrhino3075 if a messy signature is the single piece of evidence used as a sign of "illiteracy" (in a time where education wasn't even required or recommended for girls) then the vast majority of literate people alive today would suddenly become "illiterate" according to you. congrats on getting grifted by these merchants, though.

You are absolutely right.

I found that compelling as well. The 6-2-4 is the name itself, as well as the date of death (June 24)--and more, it seems. Well observed.

@@Torvig Ooooh yes 6 2 4 I believe it's the wheel configuration of the first steam engine to run through Lower Missenden. And the sleepers were laid 16 inches apart, and 16 is the number you get when you add up the numeric values of 'Oxford' and then subtract the waist size of Oxford's Gaskins. How can these fools fail to see the significance of all this? Well spotted. Remember the song by Chicago? 25 or 6-2-4! They knew!

@@MrMartibobs It's clear as day!

It's called a coincidence you frickin' pseud.

Edward de Vere was tutored by Dr. John Dee in the esoteric arts: numerology, mathematics, cryptography, astrology, etc. Dr. John Dee started MI5 and signed his documents as 007. You really can't make this shit up lol!

if aired,,,it s too late to opt not to !!!

The "Northumberland Manuscript" ended up as the temporary book binding, which tells me that it was originally in someone's book bindery. The script used was in a very practiced hand. Where does a bookbinder who needs to write pretty practice? On the sort of scrap paper that tends to end up as an ad hoc paper binding, of course.

Henry Neville’s name was also on the NM.

@@nativevirginian8344 So what?

Shakespeare _was_ middle class. He was the son of a man who ran a successful business, had one of the largest houses in Stratford-upon-Avon, and had various important civic duties including bailiff, chief magistrate, alderman, and mayor. John Shakespeare may have suffered financial reverses later in William's life, but in William's earliest years he was quite a substantial man of business, property, and civic importance in the town. Shakespeare certainly wasn't the son of Robin the dung-gatherer. As for why he wrote about royalty, it's because he was a playwright in the early modern era. John Webster was the son of a coach-maker and his plays were about the nobility (e.g., my favorite non-Shakespearean play of the era, _The Duchess of Malfi_ ), Christopher Marlowe was a cobbler's son and wrote _Edward II_ , Robert Greene was a saddler's son who likely wrote _Edmund Ironside_ and certainly wrote _The Honourable History of Friar Bacon and Friar Bungay_ , where Henry III and Prince Edward are both characters (and Edward is the center of a major plotline), George Chapman was a yeoman's son who wrote frequently of the French court, and Thomas Middleton was a bricklayer's son who wrote extensively about the nobility in his tragedies (e.g. his most famous play, _The Revenger's Tragedy_ is set in the Italian court and features a lecherous Duke whose actions motivate the tragedy). He wouldn't have written about his own life because he was a playwright first and foremost and nobody would have wanted to see a play based on his life, and he lived _long_ before there was any significant tradition of autobiographical writing in English literature, an innovation that would only start with the Romantics (e.g. William Wordsworth's _The Prelude_ ). Shakespeare no more had to be a nobleman to write about the nobility than Philippa Gregory has to be the secret identity of the Duchess of Kent. And he left behind six perfectly adequately signed signatures. They only look strange to us moderns because they're in secretary hand (which was based on black letter script and was already dying out in Shakespeare's day), and not in Italic hand, which became the basis for modern cursive. I find Sütterlin mystifying to read, but it doesn't mean that the German-speaking children who learned to write that way couldn't write. Obviously, it means just the opposite. Nor do we have just six signatures because we also have three manuscript pages of _Sir Thomas More_ identified as "Hand D", which are a paleographic match to the six extant signatures you're so down on (and the less standard the signature, the greater the potential for identification since the signature has multiple unique characteristics-the "Hand D" script shows multiple characteristics that link it to Shakespeare's acknowledged signatures and no disqualifying differences), a stylometric match to the rest of the Shakespearean canon, and contain unique words (like the verbing of "shark") and a self-plagiarized line that occurs elsewhere in the canon ( _Coriolanus_ , specifically). Moreover, the manuscript is reworked with running emendations that _must_ be authorial because a scribe wouldn't have copied the crossed-out portions and then struck them out himself. We really couldn't have better evidence of Shakespeare as a writer if we had video of him pacing his London lodgings and saying, "'Now is the autumn of our mild annoyance'-no, it needs to be stronger-'Now is the winter of our discontent'-Will, you brilliant, brilliant man!"

To get on their good side? His family was relatively high-toned and educated for his time and place.

He had no choice, banks wouldn't lend to the common man, he wasn't rich so patronage was the only way to get his plays made.

The crown paid for plays, hence Shakespeare always gave the Tudors good press. Henry the 8th play doesn't mention the horrible bits.

@@MaxMilanoPix Shakespeare always gave the Tudors good press, hence he didn't get stabbed through an eye in a coffee shop in Deptford.

Indeed. Furthermore : Earl of Oxford (4, 2 and 6 letters) !

He signed himself Edward Oxenford. If you are going to say the word Oxford is important that applies to the 16th 17th 18th. It's a family name.

The Shakespearian works had many authors working together to form a comprehensive new language..There were over 2000 “new” words that would have been completely unknown to the audience of the day. Every country of influence from the 15th century to the present has been subjected to a constant change of their native language to destroy our true history. Not unlike the Christian bible.

That’s what I wonder. What’s the point? Ok maybe a writing project like many in the past. Many topical works have been attributed to some figure of renown associated with a school or movement. But why all the coding and mystery? What’s the point? Is it to promote Christian mysticism? I suppose people like these games and that’s enough to motivate clever elite people to do such things.

@@siberiangirl1941 Well, you're good at writing total rubbish. What is 'our true history'?

@@MichaelMarko The point is to excite people such as many, if not most, of the stupid and ignorant commenters here.

@@timothyharris4708 where would you like me to begin?

Yes, but he was just a front man for someone else called Shakespeare.

... What are you talking about, chief...?

@@synisterfish ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-WB_QFsrIaNs.html isd where were up to a week ago. Things have moved on since then.

heh heh english monarchies are a "most elaborate creation" 🏴‍☠️

Yes, Waugh certainly procreates, as he makes nothing out of nothing.

@@T0varisch Having watched a bit of your first video, which is so amateurish and, forgive me, unutterably stupid (not to mention the appalling sound and your inability to speak coherently or clearly), I am not surprised to lear that you admire that charlatan, Alexander Waugh. You speak of a 'modest IQ' of 120. Could I ask what your IQ is? And perhaps you could explain what Waugh's going to a university in your home town has to do with anything?

If you were part of the peerage and decided to publish some plays, it would be scandalous!

Lol, there’s always one, isn’t there.

A jewish black lesbian. With a pegleg. Descendant of a later misdeed of Henry V.

Shakespeare wasn't Black, he was a swarthy Englishmen.

Covid tests are more reliable

@Jessica Murray Yes, 400 years after his death, he has been raised from his crypt by charlatans like Waugh to announce that he really wrote Shakespeare's plays. Would that he had remained encrypted. Then we wouldn't have to put up with dishonesties and special pleading that appears in this video.

@Jessica Murray No, he didn't. Other people have claimed to find "encrypted messages" in the works they want to attribute to de Vere, and they judge the success of their "decryption" by how much it tells them what they want to see. This is a recipe for self-delusion. Before the Oxfordians, the Baconians were mad for encryption and many of them still are. Others have thrown their hats into the encryption ring in support of other candidates. Any methodology that can yield so many mutually contradictory answers cannot possibly be valid.

but why not have some fun?

@@AntonDee What kind of fun? Do you find Waugh's charlatanism 'fun'? You do realise, don't you, that because of cynical, money-grubbing, conspiracy-mongers like Waugh, a great many, mostly rather ignorant people now believe that there is a serious case against Shakespeare's authorship when there is none? I suppose you believe that denying that the Holocaust took place, or denying climate-warming, or denying that Biden won the last election is just 'fun'. I am not, by the way, pretending that the denial of Shakespeare's authorship is in any moral way comparable to those examples, but the manner in which, via, in particular, the internet, people are led to believe in conspiracy theories is common to all these examples. Surely one can have 'fun' without supporting charlatans and misleading people?

And yet his second wife, Elizabeth Trentham, died in 1612 and asked to be buried next to him in the Hackney churchyard.

Obviously 4. 4. 4

What does changing "sprigge" to "sliver" mean? And "Nil Vero Verius" I'm not sure I get it.

@@colinthomson5358 ..it s a code , man, , you have to crack it !!

De Vere and Francis Bacon were both the secret sons of the queen. They and the Rosicrucian order are responsible for the Shakespearian works.

The 3 triangles! That's it!

I was gonna mention 6,2,4 as Edward de Vere.. 😎

We don't know that Shakespeare's grave is empty. We know that his gravestone has been cut down from its original size and shored up. Groud-Penetrating Radar is not able to differentiate between a 400 year-old skeleton and the soil it's buried in.

In 2016 Ground Penetrating Radar scans were performed, and showed that there is definitely something like a body in the grave - but it has been disturbed in the past and may be missing a head. Folklore has long claimed that in 1794, a doctor robbed Shakespeare’s grave and made off with his head! Shakespeare’s skull had been rumoured to rest in a crypt in a nearby village called Beoley. But when researchers examined that skull they found it belonged to an unknown old woman! Where exactly Shakespeare’s skull might be remains a mystery - if it is Shakespeare's skull and body at all, as it is unknown who wrote his epitaph in the Church of the Holy Trinity in Stratford-upon-Avon, which claims the grave has a curse upon it. The epitaph reads, “Good friend, for Jesus’ sake forebeare/ To digg the dust enclosed heare/ Bleste be the man that spares thes stones, / And curst be he that moves my bones.” Sounds more like a silly Pirates curse than quality 'Shakespeare' !! Two more curious facts have bothered researches for hundreds of years: 1/ No name: Of the family members buried side by side, the supposed William Shakespeare’s ledger stone is the only one that never carried a name. 2/ Short grave: The stone itself is too short for a grave. At less than a meter in length, Shakespeare's ledger stone is shorter than the others, including that of his wife, Anne Hathaway. Was he buried standing up? Shakespeare’s mysteriously short ledger stone also corresponds to a repair that has been made underneath the stone floor to support it. Experts suggest that this is due to disturbance at the head end of the grave which has caused significantly more subsidence than elsewhere. Maybe those who cut the ledger stone down from its original size and shored up the form, also wrote the inscription in an attempt to 'suggest' the Stratford man was the London Playwright ... in the same way someone refashioned the Shakespeare monument from holding a sack of grain to writing on parchment, at some point in the past - maybe at the same time... We can see that modern Stratford-upon-Avon has been very commercially successful with the Shakespeare link - as loose as it is!!

Thats because it is. For Gods Will I Am the goddess Pallas Athena the spear shaker. or Or By the will of (God (i am) ) Shakespear (Ophiuchus) the Center of it all.

Shakespeare is an old English Midlands name. He came out of such a family. There is no ridiculous cryptogram or puzzle in his name. The Shakespeare's were a lineage in and around Stratford-upon-Avon. William obviously the most successful and famous.

the name of the stratford man appears as Shakspere, so there you have it

"Churchill" always sounded and hinted a "Church-on-a-hill" to me.

You are very good at talking nonsense. There must be a PhD in this for you.

Yes

None whatsoever. The dialect was also different. De Vere's letters and his poetry make it clear that he spoke in an East Anglian dialect which was common for aristocrats. Oxford rhymes “was” with “case” and “face” with “glass”. Shakespeare rhymed 'face' with 'place'. Oxford rhymes “shows” with “lose”. Shakespeare rhymes it with 'rose'. Oxford rhymes “grief” with “strife”. Shakespeare rhymes 'grief' with 'chief and 'strife' with 'wife'. Unless he had dual personalities, De Vere did not write the works of Shakespeare.

genius and madness are the best of bedfellows..

What secret is that? Kid from Stratford turned out to be a good writer? Why are you surprised by this?

CIVILIZATION IS BUILT ON SECRETS

@@thoutube9522 Bunch of chinless toffs and their aspiring grooms of the stool.

@Attila the Pun The evidence has been so well-hidden that it's even been kept out of this video.

Oh, don't go there. You won't believe the can of peyote-laced worms you will open.

@@Jeffhowardmeade If you 'don't go there', you'll never learn squat. You're giving bad advice.

@@keepitsimple4629 You'll never learn squat anyway. You'll just get a bunch of increasingly bizarre speculations. As the number of people who identified Shakespeare as the author of his works becomes more apparent, the size of the conspiracy which must have existed to suppress the "truth" grows. Eventually you have a bastard son of a "virgin" queen knocking up his own mother and an immortal being founding the Freemasons, the Rosecrucians, or both, and either or both of them taking time out to write plays. And then hiding the evidence in codes or on Oak Island. A faerie splashing love juice into the wrong eyes seems almost sane by comparison.

Because women were not allowed to write or be affiliated with the stage. William Shakespeare was a useful idiot and a male.

@@keepitsimple4629 How much squat have you ever learned?

In support of your comment aleph means ox in Hebrew which has similar cognates in terms of their alphabets (alpha-beta-gamma, aleph-bet-gimmel)

Correct and if he lied about that, no need to go any further.

You're the smart one. I've been following Waugh around for years, pointing out when he just makes stuff up to suit his purpose, which is frequently. I could have learned to play the piano in all the time I've spent on this foolishness.

@@Jeffhowardmeade i suppose petter Amundsen is making it up too?! How many more times do you need to be shown? If the first letter of all the plays spelled out “Edward de vere wrote this” you’d still argue

@@gilgamars Petter Amundsen is making it up worse than most. His bonkers decryption methods are so absurd that I doubt any sane mind could have concocted them. And since the only way anything in Shakespeare would say Edward De Vere wrote this would be to twist it like a contortionist, yes, I would argue that you were adding your own context to bend random data to your predetermined end.

The why becomes easier when you look at it from the other direction. Waugh knows he has no documentary evidence for de Vere's authorship, so he has to go on extended hallucinations about codes to generate something, anything, to serve in place of the evidence he doesn't have.

@@Nullifidian Agreed, though the "why" I was referring to was why people at the time would've created such a complex code to hide the name of the playwright unless being discovered meant something quite catastrophic to justify the complexity of the code created

Would that Evelyn Waugh hadn't written Evelyn Waugh. I don't think I could survive reading Brideshead Revisited again.

@@Jeffhowardmeade I agree about Brideshead but Scoop, A Handful of Dust and others are good

What?

I dont know either, but there is a trend in thinking it was all of the above mentioned. You will noitice that VVilliam spells his name in several ways, and signed his name in more and different spellings, hmmmmmmm.

The main problem is all the direct evidence of who is credited with writing the plays points to the man from Stratford. If you find that evidence uncompelling and start looking for an alternate candidate you're necessarily dealing with indirect evidence. Coincidences and innuendos. And such lines of evidence leave little to differentiate between candidates. Some parts of the plays will match Bacons life, others will match Oxfords life etc. One secret code will say "DeVere" the other "Marlowe". Really, you can make at least some case for any noble of the time.

Well, we do one thing...it wasn't the illiterate from Stratford.

@@Mooseman327 He wasn't illiterate. Why do you say so?

Finally, someone else who has heard of Neville. Can’t his name be decoded from the dedication too?

So right! How could anyone deny the evidence. It's RIGHT THERE!

Yes,the three parts documentary about the research of the norwegian organist Petter Amundsen,that is a must see for all that have a suspiction that Shakespeare did not write the works that has his name on.He most likely was illiterate,he did not travel a lot, and there is much wisdom and knowledge in them ,so it is must unlikely that he could have written the works with his name on.

@@TreasureByMeasure When you're the one providing the decrypt key, you can rearrange any text to say whatever you like. In the case of a guy whose name contains the same letters found in popular poetic words like "every", "ever", "never", "venerate", "revere", etc, it's kind of hard NOT to find his name "hidden"...er...everywhere.

@@frankjohansen9364 There's no evidence that he was illiterate, and much that he was not, there is no knowledge in the works which could not be found in popular books of the day, and wisdom is not the purview of the rich. Nearly every great writer in every age comes from the same class that created Shakespeare. The Middle Class.

@@Jeffhowardmeade Hey Coriolanus, the commenters here are talking about Sir Francis Bacon, watch the documentary they refer to before you debunk them with mere bogus dribbles about silly Devere.

He'll have his work cut out for him in catching up to Robert Pretcher, who claims that just about everything PUBLISHED within spitting distance of 1604 was actually written by De Vere.

And Tau has no connection whatsoever with Taurus.

What is wrong with the cultural history of Stratford?

@@Jeffhowardmeade It certainly seems to have been a bit of an improvement on the cultural history of Louisville, KY.

Good luck finding out about Dee's "powers of encryption". He wrote and published extensively. Guess what he never wrote about.

Ah, a 'closed mind' on the authorship question - someone has quickly learned to use the stale strategy, used regularly by 'Marlovians', 'Baconians' & 'Oxfordians', to insinuate without addressing any arguments or evidence that anyone who disagrees them has presented. '(C)oncentration and a willingness to follow the threads of Waugh's arguments' - Waugh's arguments are threadbare, as you would find if you bothered to concentrate on them and knew anything about the matter at all. Ignorance and folly provide a strange kind of bliss.

@@timothyharris4708 Everything you say of me in this unpleasant and patronising comment is true of yourself. I note that in over a decade of YT membership you have uploaded no content, suggesting you are here merely to 'troll' others.

​@@DavidBensonActor Alas, it is not true of myself, however much you would like it to be. I am not a 'member' of RU-vid, so this YT membership you speak of refers to you, I suppose. Perhaps you 'upload' content of a kind - I am afraid that, having seen the content & nature of the only two comments of yours I have come across, I have no desire to waste my time on what you upload, which is doubtless as silly and ignorant as your comments. As for being 'unpleasant and patronising', I suggest you look at your first dishonest and hackneyed comment ('hackneyed' since it is the kind of thing trotted out by Waugh himself and every ignorant follower of his as a substitute for argument), where you assert that anybody who disagrees with Waugh lacks the 'concentration' and 'willingness' to 'follow the threads of Waugh's arguments', preferring to dismiss them with a 'sneer'. This is of course wholly untrue. Waugh's claims have been shown to be false, for there is a large amount of evidence that disproves them. I suggest that instead of whoring after the latest conspiracies and charlatans like Waugh, you acquaint yourself with the arguments of people who actually know something about the matter. It will not require much effort on your part, though perhaps rather more effort than is required for falling for the blandishments of a man like Waugh.

@@timothyharris4708 And a Merry Christmas to you too

I didn't get the impression that the man Shakespeare was a fiction, just that (the belief presented here) is that he wasn't the playwright. The evidence is strong that someone -- Dee most likely apparently -- believed de Vere was the actual playwright. Why would he go to so much trouble if it wasn't true though? That doesn't make it true of course... Much food for thought.

He almost certainly did mate. Nobody who really knows what they are talking about can justify any other attribution. It was William Shakespeare, son of a glovemaker, actor, and the most brilliant writer for the the English renaissance stage. But he became really famous and it was a long time ago so conspiracy mid-wits prattle.

@@ishmaelforester9825 read!!! A simple examination of the evidence would suggest that a glove makers son with an illiterate daughter was not the playwright!

@@gilgamars So what documentary evidence do you have that shows anyone else wrote Shakespeare's plays?

Devere’s poetry seems way beneath the quality of Shakespearean sonnets.

Well, come on, tell us who these multiple authors were. I wonder if you have bothered to read Shakespeare's complete works, or any of them at all. Perhaps you could provide a list of those you have read. And could you provide evidence for your assertion that the order of Rosicrucians (probably) published the first complete works of Shakespeare, and explain why they would want to do so?

@@timothyharris4708 Ha ha, I guess you've not read the complete works

@@Meine.Postma Yes, I have. I have taught Shakespeare at university, and I have directed, and I have acted in many Shakespeare plays. I notice that you cravenly refrain from answering the questions I posed to you, preferring an easy and foolish quip.

@@AAMARTCLUB It is.

It isn't when you see most of the comments.

So why did the theatres pay Shakespeare as the author of the plays, if someone else wrote them..

@@michaelrowsell1160 Baby Boo won't answer difficult questions, even after two years.

Yes, it says you've bought into bullshit. There is no evidence at all that William Shakespeare's children were illiterate, and there is as much evidence as anyone could reasonably ask for that Susanna Hall, Shakespeare's eldest daughter, was profoundly literate: there are two extant signatures from her, there is an account of her correctly describing a book belonging to her husband as a "book of physic" even though it was in Latin, she likely wrote her mother's epitaph, and her own epitaph calls her "witty [i.e., learned] above her sex". However, even if his children were both provably illiterate, all it would mean was that Shakespeare was a man of his time and didn't rate female education that highly. John Milton trained his daughters to read to him in various languages, including Latin, Greek, and English, but he never taught them how to understand what they were reading. Does his neglect of his daughters' literacy mean that he couldn't have written _Paradise Lost_ ? Not that it's apparent what Shakespeare could have done all the way from London to help his daughters' literacy. Was he supposed to tutor them via Skype?

Nobody. John Dee wasn't in the plays.

@@ThomasRonnberg All the world's a stage, actually, but how is that relevant here?

@@ThomasRonnberg "why should Shakespeare be the original writer?" It is actually for you to prove why he was not the author. It is not good enough - not by a long chalk - to say as the man in the video does "if we assume he was not the writer". This video is just Dan Brown stuff to be honest.

@@mithras666 It's all Da Vinci Code stuff.

@@mithras666 Cracking the Shakespeare Code starts off with a fundamental error about typography, and goes downhill from there.

@@ThomasRonnberg Because lots of people referered to him while he was alive as a very successful playwright?

As far as I can tell, there are none.

Caius Martius Coriolanus A romance between two people from rivaling families is not a similarity in your opinion?

He didn't figure it out; he made it up. It's easy to "decode" anything you like if you're the one introducing all the context by which you "decode" the "message" and you don't have to go through the rigmarole of establishing that these "codes" would have actually been interpreted as such by the early modern figures allegedly responsible for creating (nor how such elaborate codes could have survived for 30 seconds in an early modern print shop where the compositors chose the spelling and formatting of the text themselves).

So long as you are not hooked in...

I hope they stay there.

paul lappin wrote: At 39:50 he shows Greens work and... there is no way any of those triangles are right angles. Not even close. ------------------------------------------------- This distorted video also produces an ellipse (not a circle): ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-XGn6eJkQlig.html One must go to the undistorted Alan Green source: tinyurl.com/yydnzwbn Alan Green's cyan right triangle marked by {(e-1), sqrt(3), G(dot)} is a 30º/60º/90º triangle with 'almost' the orientation of the 30º/60º/90º triangle pointing to the Westminster burial site. If Shaksper's merry drinking buddies: Drayton & Jonson are substituted for: Chaucer & Spenser as the hypotenuse a smaller self similar 30º/60º/90º triangle points to an end of the tiled section where something else may be easily buried (Beaumont?). The smaller triangle is reduced in size by a factor of [1+sqrt(3)] ~ "e" : probably the exact length ratio of Alan Green's adjacent "blue" right triangle designated "e". In England in the 18th & 19th centuries Saint BLAISE was adopted as mascot of woolworkers' pageants. Blaise had brought prosperity (symbolised by the WOOLSACK*) to England by teaching the English to *COMB wool. ------------------------------------------------------------ The Stratford church ALTAR [ www.tobeornottobe.org/ ] forms a 30º/60º/90º triangle with Mr. WOOLSACK & *Mr. COMBE*: www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/warks/vol3/pp269-282 www.northernvicar.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/february-c-214.jpg

Hi Paul. I've gone through Greens work myself and it's worth your consideration. Yes, these triangles do not appear to be right angled triangles in this presentation but this is due to the screen proportions distorting the image. I've also watched all of your uploads (highly recommended) so I know you are thorough in your own research. Greens work is fascinating, incredibly detailed, mind boggling, thought provoking and potentially groundbreaking. Be skeptical but not dismissive. Thank you for all your great research

@@seanodonovan5451 first thing I did was go and check the source after I posted, had to be the presentation distorting the view. I probably should of came back and edited my post but I forgot. Sorry

The bible was way more impressive than this and written many years before these codes

@@anesu846 The bible is more impressive in what way?

@@dakrontu in terms of codes

@@anesu846 Codes in the bible? Like what? (Bear in mind that the KJV bible is not in the same language used by the original authors.)

@@dakrontu yeah ofcourse. The original Greek text. I couldn't tell you off the top of my head but look it up. It's insane

So your mind was Schrödinger-boggled?

​@Paul Gauthier you have merely asserted this, not proven it.

​@@menschkeit1 In which respect, it's rather like this video, isn't it? The difference is that what Paul Gauthier said is based on the documentary record. We have Shakespeare's name on the title pages of the quartos of the sonnets. We have Shakespeare's name on the title pages of several quarto editions and all the folio editions of his plays. In the First Folio, we have multiple authors affirming that he was the author and employing imagery of the actor in their commendatory poems, including at least two who knew him personally. Shakespeare acted in at least two of Ben Jonson's plays, according to cast lists in Ben Jonson's _Works_ ( _Every Man in His Humour_ and _Sejanus His Fall_ ) and Leonard Digges was a fellow Stratfordian and an enthusiastic Shakespeare fanboy and a family friend through his stepfather, Thomas Russell, whom Shakespeare named as one of the two overseers of his will. Leonard Digges also famously referred to Shakespeare's "Stratford monument", which is in Stratford-upon-Avon to this day and depicts Shakespeare with a pen and paper, in the subfusc of a scholar, and has a Latin inscription likening him to Virgil for art ("arte Maronem"-Virgil's full name was Publius Vergilius Maro) and in English says that "all that he hath writ | Leaves living art but page to serve his wit". And John Heminges and Henry Condell, in their dedication, affirmed that Shakespeare was the author of the plays as well as being their "Friend, & Fellow [i.e., fellow actor]", and his name is included first in the list of Principal Actors in the book. In fact, every single contemporary who bothered to write or speak about the subject affirmed he was an author. They affirmed it not only in published writings, but in marginalia, personal notes, and in at least one private conversation (between William Drummond of Hawthornden and Ben Jonson, which Drummond took down). If it were _anyone_ else, this would be sufficient evidence to conclude that they were an actor-playwright. However, because it's the Great Shakespeare, some people who want to be contrarian cast doubt on his authorship not because it's in any way suspect but because they want to fancy that they have an 'interesting and independent' take on an important issue. Plus, it allows them to rationalize away why they could never appreciate Shakespeare-as most of them don't. Most of them have tin ears for poetry and trying to have a constructive conversation with them about Shakespeare's unique literary style and psychological insight is like trying to have a conversation on the greatness of J. S. Bach with someone who is completely tone deaf.

Maybe, and maybe you have yet to account for the many problems with Shaksper’s case for being Shake-speare. On the legal scales of means, motive and opportunity, Vere has everything, and Shaksper next to nothing.

​@@menschkeit1 "Maybe, and maybe you have yet to account for the many problems with Shaksper’s case for being Shake-speare." Well, considering that his name was only spelled "Shaksper" twice, and one of those times was in 1609 when Edward Alleyn noted his purchase of "Shaksper sonetts" for 5d., while the title page of the sonnets says "Shake-speares Sonnets", I think the identity "Shaksper" = "Shake-speare" has just been demonstrated. QED. However, perhaps you'll do me the favor of presenting these "many problems", the evidence by which you know these "problems" are a) actually true and b) truly problematic, and explain why these alleged "problems" count for more than direct documentary evidence. "On the legal scales of means, motive and opportunity, Vere has everything, and Shaksper next to nothing." Okay, let's discuss the means: writing Shakespeare's plays and non-dramatic verse took poetic genius and flexibility with language. Edward de Vere's published poetry is flat and uninspired. He pads his lines with monosyllables merely because he can't think of any better way to reach the requisite number of beats per line. He produces ungrammatical abominations for the same reason and occasionally inflects words differently in the same sentence just to make the minimum beat number. His stale images move over the same territory like a dog returning to its vomit. There is no building on a conceit with him. There are no flights of fancy. Instead, he's stuck firmly on the ground plodding away with his monosyllables. As for motive: what motive?! Any motive you would ascribe to Edward de Vere would have to be sheer fantasy based on the prior assumption that he was the author. Whereas for a professional actor-playwright like Shakespeare, the motive is easily apparent: writing plays was his _job_ . Writing plays was how he could justify his favored position as one of the sharers in the Lord Chamberlain's Men/King's Men, which made him and the other sharers quite wealthy men. Edward de Vere only had to sit on his arse while the crown gave him a £1000 per annum welfare check paid quarterly. What possible motivation would he have had to write plays for the public Bankside theatres? It wouldn't have earned him enough even to keep him in scented gloves. And if he had had the bizarre notion of writing plays to entertain the proles, why wouldn't he have given them to the very company he patronized? Oxford's Men existed until about 1602, when it was folded in with Worcester's Men. Why enrich a rival theatrical troupe? There's no reason why he should have peddled his plays to anybody, since even if he wanted to preserve his incognito most early modern plays were published anonymously (as were Shakespeare's own plays between 1594 - 1598, even though _Venus and Adonis_ had been published in 1593 and _The Rape of Lucrece_ in 1594 with Shakespeare's name on them. Was de Vere working the long con?). However, if he had wished to have them attributed to somebody, wouldn't it have been easier to have them attributed to either John Lyly or Anthony Munday, both of whom were playwrights de Vere employed as his ostensible secretaries? Finally, opportunity: he had no opportunity. Point one: he died with a third of Shakespeare's _oeuvre_ yet to be written. This might have been the point at which to abandon the hypothesis. There is no kind of lack of opportunity quite as bad as being dead. Point two: about a quarter of Shakespeare's plays are collaborative. Where did Edward de Vere get a chance to meet up and write his plays with Thomas Kyd ( _Edward III_ ), Thomas Nashe ( _1 Henry VI_ ), George Peele ( _Titus Andronicus_ ), and Thomas Middleton ( _Timon of Athens_ )? How did he collaborate with John Fletcher ( _Henry VIII_ , _The Two Noble Kinsmen_ , and _Cardenio_ ) and George Wilkins ( _Pericles_ ) when neither of them had written a line of dramatic writing before his death? Point three: _Cardenio_ is based on an episode in the First Part of _Don Quixote_ by Miguel de Cervantes. How did Edward de Vere adapt a play on a subject from a novel that hadn't been published yet? The First Part of _Don Quixote_ wasn't published until 1605 and not until 1612 in English in the translation by Thomas Shelton, which is a fine date for a late Shakespeare/Fletcher collaboration, but a bit late for de Vere, who had been dead by 8 years at this point. Point four: _The Tempest_ is based on an account of a wreck that happened off Bermuda where everyone survived, where the survivors split into two groups, the other members of the flotilla had erroneously thought that the ship had sunk with all hands, there was dissension and conspiracies among the survivors, including a plot against the Governor that was discovered before the time was ripe for its execution, leading to an order that every man should wear his sword (in the play Sebastian and Antonio's plot against the King is foiled and everyone wears their swords in other to forestall another attempt on his life). Parallels could be multiplied endlessly. Shakespeare usually used the word "thunderbolt", but for this play he used the word "thunder-stroke" twice. His source also wrote about "strokes of thunder". This play is his only use of "bosky", a word also used in this source document. The document, written by William Strachey, is dated July 15, 1610. The community the _Sea Venture_ was going to resupply, the Jamestown colony, didn't even come into existence until after de Vere's death (it was founded in 1607). It is evident that Shakespeare had access to Strachey's letter or a manuscript copy when he was writing his last solo-authored play, a play de Vere couldn't have possibly written. Point five: _The Two Noble Kinsmen_ , a collaboration between John Fletcher and William Shakespeare, where we can tell that they were working side by side because at one point one author brings characters onstage who were already brought on by the other, contains a simplified version of a masque called _The Masque of the Inner Temple and Gray's Inn_ by Francis Beaumont. It was written for the marriage of Princess Elizabeth to the Elector-Palatine of the Rhine, Frederick V, which was celebrated in February 1613, nearly a decade after Edward de Vere died. Point six: The late plays like _The Tempest_ and _Two Noble Kinsmen_ show a different style of playing, more focused on impressive theatrical effects, inspired by masques, etc. which came with a new venue. The Blackfriars wasn't available to the King's Men until 1608, four years after de Vere's death, but within the last five of Shakespeare's active career. Act breaks allowed time for trimming wicks and changing burnt out candles. Sword fights were no longer staged but merely reported because the nobility paid extra to sit on stools on stage at the fashionable indoor theatres ( _Every Man Out of His Humour_ by Ben Jonson and _The Knight of the Burning Pestle_ by Francis Beaumont both have fun with this practice) so they could both see and be seen. It wouldn't have done to spear a peer. The idea that Edward de Vere could have anticipated the dramatic possibilities and restrictions of a venue the Lord Chamberlain's Men/King's Men didn't have access to until after his death is absurd. I could go on, but I think the point is made.

He's saying that the three V shaped thingys mean Via,Veritas,Vita, as quoted by IX (Jesus Christ)

Because you don't understand the content Shakespeare included or how he encoded the secrets of the Universe. Those who have eyes can see it, and he would have been hunted for releasing what he did when he did, even if you today do not see the deeper coding. He appears to be a normal poet, and you can't see why they would persecute him. That's how effective he was.

In those days in higher echelons it was considered very poor taste to write plays. His court life and reputation were important to him.and so...

@@bluebellwood4287 He was publicly lauded as a writer of comic interludes performed at court. It was not considered beneath his station. Had he written any of Shakespeare's plays, literally hundreds of people at court would have known they were his, including many who hated him. SOMEBODY would have said something when De Vere's Hamlet suddenly appeared in print under the name "Shakespeare".

" *you could “prove” absolutely anything* " Exactly. He dares people to figure out what are the odds of such a complicated message appearing *here* by chance, and that is rightfully unlikely. But it's the wrong question to ask. The correct question is to ask "what are the odds of finding an equally complicated message *somewhere* ? " It's not the only place he ever looked at, is it? Say, I wanted to prove that Santa Claus was Shakespeare. Could I find enough "evidence" for it if I dug deep enough? If that was my passion, and I was bright enough, I'm liking my odds. I mean, seriously. I looked at the first line of my post and I counted 15 words (on my screen). That's two references to Jesus already! XV, Christ/Cross and Veritas/Vicit What are the words following a period, for example? He, But, The, It's, Say. Could, If. What do we get, let me think... If He Could Say It's The But! I got it! It's the butt, It's all ASS! ;-) I'll repost it in a separate thread.

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@@vikidprinciples With that said, they practically convinced me by now (two days later)... Not by this esoteric geometry, but by matching the plays to the real events. Hamlet seems the most convincing. Even if Shakspare of Stratfort wrote Hamlet, it's unlikely he didn't base it on the story of De Vere. Then he retired to Stratford, where he occupied himself with money-lending and suing people for petty debts, and finally scratched his "mark" on his last will, then died... I mean, those oxfordian guys have better arguments. This talk's potential impact is awfully overstated, right at the beginning.

@@bakters Why is it 'unlikely' that the playwright who wrote Hamlet 'didn't base it on the story of de Vere'? Are you just pulling this out of your hat, or have any serious evidence to provide? The former, undoubtedly. And why do 'those oxfordian guys have better arguments'? On what grounds do you say this?

@@timothyharris4708 Read what I wrote again. I said that even if the guy who could barely scratch his name actually wrote Hamlet, then it's unlikely he did not base it on De Vere's life. Re: better arguments' (sic!) I meant they have better arguments than "esoteric geometry". Now I'm more or less convinced that De Vere was Shakespeare and I still doubt this thing. While this talker here was sure he'll convince everybody who'd listen to him... Well, he failed at that. Somebody else had to step in.

@Ubiquitary How about a non-pajama shirt

He is too busy waffling his numerology nonsense to exercise

I thought of the same thing.

Seeing things that aren't there? You're much better off living in the real world.

Caius Martius Coriolanus - thank you 🙏

I'm glad mine doesn't. It's a kind of disease.

@@Jeffhowardmeade Real world is very much based on occult and its hiding of the christ Utube: birth certificate what is your status Google : what is namium

@@kevindcruz3633 Google: "What can thorazine do for you?"

Whichever individual or collective of individuals wrote the works, the claimed author "William Shakespeare" most certainly never existed.

Oh. Thank god you cleared all of that up

​@@coolnamebro So you're saying that they baptized and buried a figment of the imagination and then erected a monument to that figment that praised him as a poet by likening him to Virgil, saying that "all that he hath writ | Leaves but living art page to serve his wit", and depicted him holding a pen and with a sheet of paper in the regulation subfusc of a scholar? That a figment of the imagination trod the boards as an actor as testified by multiple early modern sources, including two cast lists in the 1616 folio publication of Ben Jonson's _Works_ ? That this figment was praised for his writing by multiple contemporaries, including some who knew him personally or at least knew detailed information about him?

it was all of them working together with bacon and Neville and De Vere at the helm it was all about hiding artifacts. they didn't think the world was ready for them. they had to conceal it from fools. if you start this video at 12 minutes it will get into it. and at the 14 min mark it gets very interesting. there was probably 100 people that worked on shakespeare. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-p6wjWJ_ZHkA.html

De Vere did not write for money and he was already more famous for being the Earl of the oldest family in England than could ever be for writing (whatever would happen after his death notwithstanding - the author of the Sonnets actually brags that his poetry will outlive him while he ends up forgotten in an unmarked grave...) He probably knew that people would accept his works if they were written by a commoner, but reject them if they were written by an aristocrat. I often wonder if some Shakespeare lovers wouldn't love Shakespeare so much if he proved to be the Earl of Oxford. The plays wouldn't change but the perception of them would.

@@stevenhershkowitz2265 Why would people reject the plays if they knew that the writer was an aristocrat?

@@timothyharris4708 A big part of Shakespeare's popularity is that people believe he is the small town boy who made good (although the writing itself is invariably from the point of you of an aristocrat...) Ask yourself the question: Would you still enjoy Shakespeare if it was proven that he was actually a member of the aristocracy? How would you feel if you knew that an Earl (not a commoner) wrote the scene in Henry V in which the soldiers say that it is their duty to die for King and to never question him?

@@stevenhershkowitz2265 You have clearly not even bothered to read Act IV, scene 1 of Henry V. The soldiers do not say that 'it is their duty to die for King and to never question him'. They do the opposite, and they - in particular the soldier 'Williams' - challenge the disguised Henry. Just read the bloody play! How can one begin to take someone seriously who clearly has not read the plays, and who shows that he has no idea of the moral complexity that informs them - a moral complexity that is one of the principal reasons for Shakespeare's greatness as a dramatist. A 'big part of Shakespeare's popularity' is not because 'people believe that he was a small town boy made good', as you so foolishly and disingenuously assert, but because he wrote plays that are extraordinarily rich and morally complex and understanding of people's strengths and weaknesses. How can one take seriously a person who not only has clearly not read the plays but resorts to the infantile tactics that you adopt by suggesting that people only like Shakespeare because he was was a small-town boy who made good? There are plenty of aristocratic writers I admire - for example, Sir Thomas Wyatt, Henry Howard (Earl of Surrey), Fulke Greville (1st Lord Brooke), and Sir Philip Sidney, most of whom you have probably never heard of or read. Your suggestion that I, and others, like Shakespeare because he was not an aristocrat is a mere desperately dishonest ploy on your part. Perhaps you should ask yourself the question why you so desperately want Shakespeare to be an aristocrat.

The fact that you had to jump through so many mental hoops to reach that conclusion is prima facie evidence that it's a bunch of made-up malarkey. If the letter T were somehow a symbol for God, there would be a documented history of this being the case, don't you think?

Have you ever read de Vere's insipid verse & insipid prose (or read about his equally insipid life) and compared it to what Shakespeare does? No, you haven't. What appalls me is the appeal to ignorant and thoughtless people of the pitiful abstractions and fake 'discoveries' of someone like Waugh. Those who believe that Marlowe faked his death and wrote all of Shakespeare's plays are another example. I love Marlowe's work, and think him a great writer, but his sensibility and manner of writing are radically different from Shakespeare's. The supporters of Marlowe as Shakespeare seem wholly unable to comprehend how Marlowe's manner of writing both verse and plays differs from Shakespeare's. Waugh is descended from a family of unpleasant snobs, and he is continuing the tradition. Nobody supposes that because Dickens spent part of his childhood working in a blacking factory he was not the 'real' writer of his novels, or because Mark Twain finished his formal education at the age of twelve that somebody else must have written 'Huckleberry Finn'. But snobbish little men like Waugh spend their time wasting their own & others' time appealing to the pathetic snobbery of the ignorant and insensitive, and the fact that they no doubt receive fat fees for the rubbish that they propagate infuriates me. .

@@timothyharris4708 I've said it before and I'll say it here again. Before 1920, when the first book suggesting that Edward de Vere was 'Shakespeare' was published, the few people who had ever read Oxford's extant poetry -- his juvenilia -- had generally only good things to say about his poetic talents. It wasn't until AFTER he was suggested to have gone on to write the 'Shakespeare' works under a pseudonym/allonym, that Stratfordians began to denigrate Oxford's juvenilia -- poems he wrote when he was a kid, just getting his feet wet in the art of versifying. Secondly: Waugh's discoveries are not 'fake'. They're THERE, for anyone to see who has eyes to see. Thirdly, it's interesting that you cite 'Mark Twain' -- a man whose real name was Samuel Langhorne Clemens, a man who ridiculed the notion that William Shakspere of Stratford wrote the 'Shakespeare' works. At the time he died, the 'candidate' for Shakespeare's laurels whom most Non-Stratfordians gravitated to was Sir Francis Bacon; whether Twain would have shifted his allegiance to Edward de Vere -- had he lived another 10+ years and had the opportunity to read "SHAKESPEARE IDENTIFIED" (1920) -- is something we'll never know. Maybe he would have remained a Baconian. Maybe he would have become an Oxfordian. But he died believing that Shakspere of Stratford was not and could never have been the author of HAMLET. The accusations of 'snobbery' by you Stratfordian hacks is utterly abominable. The fact is that 'Shakespeare' was as great as he was because he was LUCKY, because he -- being born to privilege -- had access to an education that only the wealthiest people in England could provide for their children. A commoner like Ben Jonson, true, could acquire a great education, when granted the patronage of another -- but even he could not have had access to the best libraries of that day. There were no public libraries back then where anybody from any rank of society could go to peruse any and every book to their heart's content. When Edward's father died, he -- aged only 12 -- became a Ward of the Crown, living until his majority in the household of William Cecil, the most powerful man in England as well as the possessor of the greatest personal library in England. One of the tutors Cecil provided for his Ward was Laurence Nowell, an expert in Anglo-Saxon language and literature -- the very man who acquired the manuscript containing the only extant text of BEOWULF. Scholars have puzzled over the strange fact that Hamlet's dying words to Horatio bear an uncanny resemblance to Beowulf's dying words to Wiglaf . . . but it makes perfect sense for Edward de Vere, in a play written about a Danish Prince, to make use of BEOWULF as a source, going above and beyond the extant versions of the Hamlet/Amlodhi myth from Belleforest and Saxo Grammaticus. Oxford was UNIQUELY positioned to have an awareness of the contents of BEOWULF, given that his tutor (who was in possession of the manuscript) was able to translate it for him. Nobody else -- from Bacon to Marlowe to Kyd to Lyly to Jonson to Shakspere of Stratford, NOBODY ELSE -- was in such a position to become familiar with such an obscure source. Nobody but the privileged nobleman's son, raised as a Ward with access to all the books he could ever dream of having to pursue bookish interests. It's not 'snobbery' to recognize that the wealthy and privileged were born with advantages they didn't earn, yet nevertheless enjoyed through the accident of their aristocratic birth. Kudos to any enterprising person who accomplishes great things WITHOUT enjoying access to the best possible education society might have to offer. But let us -- if we're not mentally deranged -- admit that even in the ranks of the aristocracy there are those who occasionally pursue a passion that makes them "lose caste" among their own peers. Edward de Vere became not only the hidden author of the greatest dramas ever written in English, but he was also the principal patron of a school of poet-dramatists -- i.e. he was 'slumming it' with fellow poets devoted to the dramatic arts. The Queen herself thwarted his earlier aspirations of seeking military glory -- as his cousins Horace and Francis (the Fighting Veres) did -- because she cherished his gifts as a poet, she being a connoisseur of poetry and one who delighted in Plays. De Vere was allowed to achieve greatness as a writer, a poet-dramatist . . . a pursuit that his status as the premier Earl of England prevented him from receiving public acknowledgement for it. The 'rules' of the game demanded that he publish his works either ANONYMOUSLY (as the first 5 plays were), or PSEUDONYMOUSLY and/or ALLONYMOUSLY. Thus, he invented the name "William Shakespeare" and published the polished poem VENUS AND ADONIS in 1583 as "the first heir of my invention" -- i.e. the first work published using that invented name. And the rest is history.

@@patricktilton5377 Yes no doubt you have said it before, and no doubt you have said it again. 'And the rest is history,' you write triumphantly at the end of your screed. It is not. Yes, I am well aware of Mark Twain's ideas about who wrote certain plays. But I was not discussing that, or interested in discussing that. The point is the snobbery (I mean it) of people who suppose that people born into relatively humble circumstances are unlikely to produce good or great work. The final words that Beowulf speaks are these: 'Þú eart endeláf ússes cynnes Waégmundinga ealle wyrd forswéop míne mágas tó metodsceafte eorlas on elne· ic him æfter sceal.' Hamlet's final words are as follows: O, I die, Horatio. The potent poison quite o’ercrows my spirit. I cannot live to hear the news from England, But I do prophesy th’election lights On Fortinbras. He has my dying voice. So tell him, with the occurrents, more and less, Which have solicited-the rest is silence. Perhaps it is the case that you are unable to read Old English. In case you cannot, which I suspect is so, let me assure you that it is both wrong and disingenuous to assert that Beowulf's dying words bear any resemblance to Hamlet's, and it is also wrong and disingenuous to assert that 'Scholars have puzzled over the strange fact that Hamlet's dying words to Horatio bear an uncanny resemblance to Beowulf's dying words to Wiglaf.' I very much doubt that you can, or will, provide a list of those 'scholars'. Your whole screed is riddled with this kind of ambiguous, vapid nonsense. You provide no evidence whatsoever for your claims - merely a sort of allusive, superficial knowingness that is designed to appeal to the ignorant, the foolish and the conspiracy-minded. It certainly does not appeal to me. I prefer honesty & truth.

The first sentence should read: 'Yes no doubt you have said it before, and no doubt you will say it again.'

The chart is a cipher to decode the headstone I think that’s more of a normal impression that folks have when they’re not knowledgeable on cryptography, all due respect. I’d love to see u find anything like this in a randomly selected writing

@@SKILLIUSCAESAR TE HE TIDDLE OH HEETSIE WHEE!!!

​@@SKILLIUSCAESARThose who do have knowledge of cryptography think all of this hunting for ciphers is a joke.

@@Jeffhowardmeade I recall debating with u about this before and, again with all due respect, u did not come across as knowledgeable about cryptography

@@Jeffhowardmeade also I refer u to the documentary scene where Admundsen presents the Folio title page to the genius considered #2 mathematician alive, and he immediately recognized it as containing code. He was also a medieval printing press expert, and explained that all of the anomalies would only be greenlit by an insane person or one being very deliberate.

If you like following rabbits down holes, here's his "evidence". ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-XqV44taFNUc.html