The danger of trying to teach the Word of God without the leading and guidance of the Holy Spirit the Bible is coded so no matter how many scriptures you use that guy is not going to get it because without the Holy Spirit which I can tell he doesn't have the only thing he can do is lean on his own understanding.
One of the biggest problems associated with discussions on the Trinity is the fact that limited and imperfect human languages are inadequate to fully and perfectly explain God which is perfect and unlimited. Such discussion almost always descend into semantics around the human words that represent an attempt to provide a simple description in a way that humans may get some understanding of God's state of being. We get hung up on words such as father; son etc and allow our wordly understanding of human hierarchies to lead us into the mistake of judging one to be the highest over the other. However in my view, if the Father is God, the Son is God and the Holy Spirit is God and collectively are the ONE and ONLY God then it is flawed to think in terms of God being highest in relation to God when the three are the same ONE God
The thing is the church have already teach the Trinity as a dogma in nicea all this people who do not even want to submit to the teaching of the whole church is bogus!it's by definition heresy!
How many persons of the trinity is called the most high? 1,2 or 3 How many persons of the trinity is the lord of the angels in revelation 11:15? 1,2 or 3
@@aspreedacore Is YHWH the most high, Yes, Jesus is called YHWH so he is the most high. Get over yourself dude, you made yourself your own god, your own infallible interpreter.
@@aspreedacore your comment is to me a clear indication that 1- you have not read my comment before rushing to make irrelevant questions. 2- you did read it but either were unable to properly comprehend and engage it on point or you understood it but decided to use your old script instead of your brain to develop new and fruitful conversations that lead to a higher understanding of God. I find that kind of attitude to be intellectually lazy and ultimately boring.
@@vladgor4099 you do realize two people having similar titles doesnt mean they share all titles right? For example a lot of the prophets have a form of god's name in their name it obviously doesnt make them the most high, king Nebuchadnezzar has the title king of kings, it doesnt make him the most high etc etc. Did you know that there are stone monuments and even some churches with god's name on it, are they the most high? Of course not they just represent him same for jesus who comes not in his own name but the name of his father...
Problem when people are taught by false teachers and they teach themselves. Trinitarian explains sound doctrine. Need to let go off the ego and pride and just accept that you are wrong.
That was horrible ,sam let's no one speak inforces his doctrine,Idk why jp has yo have that guy on his show ,what happen to dorre ,or David he can be on his show, at least David let's you ,all I hear from sam is barking.
Anyone who denies essentials of Gods character and Jesus’ nature is not a brother. Denying Christ and His deity puts you outside of Christianity. I would almost go as far to say puts you outside of salvation.
This is why I believe the Bible teaches us that its the teachers, & Pastors the Shepherds. They're the ones who is going to be judged the harshest. Bc they're the ones that are the wolves in sheep's clothing. It's the flock/ us that God will probably have more leniency towards. Bc we don't know what's going to happen on Judgement Day. Nor can we say what happens on someone's death bed. So I do agree with u to concern an certain extent. I think it depends if they're Pastors/teachers. Those people who are the arrogant ones, who are studying everything in depth. And they're still denying Jesus's deity. Like the Pharisees were who were the Shepherds of Israel, but still had unbelief in Jesus. Teaching the flock to go astray Matt 23:13-15. It's those people that I wouldn't want to be standing next to them on Judgement Day that's for sure...
I like your streams JP...but Sam needs to grow in showing grace towards people with different temperaments and understanding. Not everyone is a crybaby...not everyone approaches a conversation with fists up...
Why would anyone want Sam to be a moderator? He is obviously brilliant but his demeanor needs some HELP. And JP has gotten to the place of kissing Sam’s feet. Both need a character improvement…SHEESH!!!
@@giovannihernandez7808 one doesn’t really have to debate Sam about his demeanor. All Sam needs to do is to take into serious consideration one’s critique and make an adjustment. His arrogance which is obvious is unbecoming. If he were to change I am sure he would be far more received Many appreciate his education but the haughtiness is not welcomed. He must be aware of his flaw!!!
Sam is extremely rude and an insulting individual. He shows no fruits of the Holy Spirit. The bible says that knowledge puffs up , but love edifies 1 Corinthians 8:1
Jesus is not equal to the Father Sam. And you need to stop talking over people before God humbles your voice. Jesus doesnt even know the hour of his return But God does. Jesus says this our of his own mouth. Jesus is the word of God so until God speaks it it is hidden in the mind. And As the father reveals it the holy spirit receives it first then Jesus. Jesus only taught praying to God never Mary. The Queen of Heaven Doctrine is an abomination. Also Jesus was the last Priest and the priest system is over he said that as well so the catholic church is and praying to saints are false teaching and that grace will soon be up. I dont say this as an audience but Im going to prophesy this once. God is not coming to bring peace but to expose the false teachings of him and the son and the holy spirit beginning with his teachers. He has warned us not to Debate but we continue and we rudely deal with those who eat vegetables versus meat rather then helping them break down the mature gospel in grace. So starting with sam Gods hand is out stretching and signs and wonders are coming upon his life that will make you all say well if he was such a great teacher then why did this happen to him. Because God wanted him to slow down and he thought he knew it all and kept talking when he was suppose to learn the rest. God Elevated Jesus to a seat at his right side and gave him all authority. Jesus himself said he was give the power to forgive and judge and how we will not stand before God now but him. If he was equal to God then God would not be giving him nothing he didnt already have😑😑😑😑😑😑your the one whos logic is in the way God made Jesus a Lord and glorified him on earth as it is in heaven thats why one happens first then thee other. You must correctly teach. And JP the bible says not to associate with those who add to the bible and take away and your so anxious to be the youngest scholar. I commend you for reconciliation and the respect to the elder but if you are not going to follow Gods word about debating and adding to his word and ruining listeners what use is your channel????? You all skip over the very request and command of Jesus to not do things this way but rather teach.......Since you continue there will be more grace for you then Sam but please stop and correct this before the holy spirit rests upon you next as welll. The kingdom of heaven is sending prophets and apostles to warn false teachers and false prophets and scholars. Whether this is read in full or not God will make sure you both get the memo. Check the word of God. JESUS IS LORD. But not equal to God hes is not all knowing although the father is. He knows the will of the father and pursues that and apart from the father he can do nothing thats not equality its dependence on what god gives him. Stop adding to Gods word this is why the muslims still argue with ya. Because Jesus cannot be the son of God and God.....He is just like his Dad but not his Dad its so simple and he was praised for the work of the cross and the names God gave him peace. I bind of that religious spirit or arrogance within you guys In Jesus name. Shift!!!!
Very educational stream and great collab. People will complain no matter what. If you let heretics spew heresy “oh why didn’t you give them so much air time”, if you muzzle them “oh my!! You have no patience” either way people want something to complain about. I hope for many more collabs between you two
Very hypocritical and disheartening to see the same man, JP, who said that he WILL force William Albrecht to answer why he puts up with Sam's unloving behavior (Calls random women whores/Curses blatantly/Condemns fellow Trinitarians over Catholic Doctrine) and doesn't call him out on it, and then within a week, takes part in the same nonsense alike. Just as JP has said many times, openly, he does this to get famous, which seems to be why it's so evident he's giving up on what is right for the sake of popularity and inclusion. I still find all the hostile trinitarians to be brothers and sisters in the faith, but this is men showing pure bias. 2 Timothy 2:24 - "The servant of the Lord must not quarrel but must be KIND to EVERYONE, be able to teach, and be PATIENT with difficult people".
I run an open platform for all to participate. If you do not like someone’s behavior you do not have to participate. 1. A person on the live stream I took down said Jesus was David incarcerated. I let him stay. 2. Another person on the live stream said I wasn’t saved and I also let him stay. This is an open platform, all are welcomed and all are welcomed to participate. If you do not wish to participate with anyone from a particular party you do not have to engage.
@@JPuncutexcuses, all talk. You got cooked in that debate so you gave way to Sam’s bs. This guy is disturbing and disgusting. How do you get in line with this guy to do live streams with this type of man. Sam doesn’t even come off as a christian with his character. He should be shunned by all until he can be a man and keep his wild emotions of anger under control.
Sam don't know how to talk, he's all the time mad screaming, is sad went u see people screaming and not teaching like Jesus with compassion and kindness...
The word of The Lord came to Abraham saying doesn’t mean what Sam purported. Jesus as The Word didn’t show up. That is ridiculous!!! The word saying simply means, a message was given but not spoken…lol
Sam does the most and he is still ascribing to Catholic heresies but I honestly like the guy lol ngl 😂 I think he is not far from the Kingdom. There is no way Sam isn't pleasing God the way he is vehemently and passionately defending the divinity of Christ and the Trinity.
@joe what you just said is called a sophistry, a fallacious argument (argument from silence). This is the same argument that the muslims have concerning the deity of the Lord Jesus, like: "show me were in the Bible Jesus said: I'm God worship me". Btw the word satanism is not found in the Bible, 🤷♂️... So: if it's not in the scripture.
JP, do you think being theologically true gives anybody the right to belittle others let alone curse/condemn them ? Who cares that they arent trinitarian ? I couldnt care less if they were pokemons. The issue in my opinion with Sam is that he belittles people due to being doctrinally better than them. I dont remember the bible teaching this. Basic ethics and allowing others to finish regardless of their position is essential. Use 30s clocks maybe.
Love is kind not nice. What is kind is to rebuke folks that are in dangerous error such as heresy and help them by planting a seed but rest is done by the Holy Spirit. Deny the Trinity you are no Christian. Christ himself taught it so you must believe it if you wish to follow Him.
@@jjesusramoss Says no verse ever. Theology is mostly derived by implications. I am trinitarian but i couldnt care less if others were not. None of the Old testament saints cared about the trinity as long ss they obeyed YHVH. Read Matthew 16:17. Those modalists, heretics and unitarians still affirm this and Matthew 16:17 claims the Father gave it. 1 cor 12:3 says the same. What i see is people weaponizing scripture to make their own essentials
@@NextLevel-k9o then you must repent. Galatians 1:6-9 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.
Jesus is GOD, YHWH, the ALMIGHTY. These people better stop playing with GOD trying to deny HIS divinity. If HE is not GOD, then there is no remission of sins because only GOD could walk the earth as a human for that long, born from a woman, and still not sin though tempted constantly. NO Angels NO human NO god could do that. Only YHWH in the flesh, i.e., JESUS CHRIST. THUS HE IS THE ONLY ONE WORTHY ON HEAVEN, THE EARTH, OR UNDER THE EARTH. Blessed be HIS NAME.
Man Sam has a lot of potential. If he were to take a break from "teaching" for a litl while, get some patience, and kindness from the holyspirit, he would be unstoppable. It okay to be bold at times, but being bold does NOT mean to be an errogant jackazz 😃. I like Sam, i just honestly cant watch him for no longer than 10 mins latley. May God give him patience, and kindness. And May the blessed virgin Mary pray for him ❤️.
Lol Yea if Sam was also gentle, kind, patient, and gracious with that kind of knowledge he would be unstoppable but also maybe too puffed up. God strength is only made perfect in our weakness. So Sam has obvious weaknesses since he is on social media for eyes to see but we ALL have flaws that keep us balanced and dependent on God.
@LetsTalkChristMinistries worship belongs to God alone, the truest form of worship which is sacrifice to God. Also, if you as a Christian, and in the ONE body of christ would pray for me, why in the world would not Mary, whom is ALIVE ritenow in heaven, and also in this ONE body of Christ, pray for me??? That makes No sense to hold that she does not pray for us. Plus you are a Christian that still sins, you would only hope that Mary will pray for you, now, and at the hour of your death. All which pleases God btw because he is allowing us mere humans, to participate in salvation history. So may the blessed virgin Mary pray for you as well ❤️.
1:35:00 he says that he rejects Jesus being the most high because bible says Jesus shall be called the SON OF the most high... am i the only one that struggles to understand why he struggles because he acceots that Jesus is God despite Jesus being called the son of God... which means in his world view, Jesus can be God and still be son of God but cant be most high and still be son of most high??? kinda confusing... so i agree with jp... he needs to just humble himself... you dont have to sound unique...
Sam is so hostile ima be honest I stopped following him. He’s very knowledgeable but he doesn’t show love at all, he comes off mean and just hostile all the time, honestly it’s just tiring.
Spend 30 years debating the same heresies repeatedly with people destroying scripture and see where you are. Not all apologists have the same temperament.
@@Theparishioner_ idc if he had 40 years it doesn’t still give room to be hostile. I peep Sam he doesn’t match energy, he comes off nasty off rip speaking over people and being just disrespectful. Sam is very knowledgeable but he’s never kind
Asmuch as I love JP's platform for being open. I feel worried when I see Sam Shamoun trying to hijack other's livestreams because his own channel has been flagged with alot of verbal abuse and hateful content. Sam is desperate for views and knows his behavior attracts the clicks but this isn't THE WAY at all. Sam is very knowledgeable but if he is unwilling to change his ways then he will just slowly disappear along with his toxic fanbase who keep instigating fights in the comment section instead of spreading the lord's word.
There’s nothing wrong with his behavior in this video. He also got flagged on his channel for community posts of Muslims physically attacking christians. It has nothing to do with his own language or whatever
He got flagged because muslims attacked his channel. Lie from you number one exposed. Sam trying to hijack others livestreams? What a disgusting thing to say, when Sam joins peoples livestreams its a blessing to the viewers because heretics, sons of satan who i assume you to be, dont have room to spread their seed of lies, because Sam is able to shut down every slimy argument you come up with. On top of that, hes so respectful to the host and his chanel. Go to sams, you will see how much more patience Sam has on others peoples channels then he does on his own, why? Because he knows when a person wont be convinced and is there to argue and insult so he removes them, but the hosts havent had that decade of experience yet, so he lets them learn on their own.
@@y3iy334y3 I agree his behavior in this video is 100x better but have you seen his own streams? He literally had to move to rumble because his streams are getting flagged. He MADE a video just last week or so that he has to be CAREFUL on how he acts on stream because he is close to getting his channel removed from all the reports he is getting on his behaviour. Have you not seen how Sam treated JP just a week ago? It's been happening for years...
@@silverblack9430 No they're not. His streams have not been flagged. It's his COMMUNITY POSTS (not streams) that get flagged because he was sharing videos of Muslims in Speakers Corner assaulting Christians physically.
Praise to the Lord Almighty the Father, Jesus Christ & Holy Spirit, The living, The Truth, The Triune God ! To bring this platform for educated and showing us the clear evidences of His Power, Love and Wisdom. God bless you JP & Sam ❤
Michael Ray Garvin is so full of pride, to where he almost comes off as a bad faith actor. He will still claim to be right, even though he knows he's wrong. This man is not an honest broker. Lastly, how can this man (Michael) view Jesus as less than the Most High, in comparison with the Father, but yet be saved, but you have oneness folk who believe that Jesus is the Most High, albeit the Father-but they're doomed and on their way to hell? It's like, they receive no quarter, or wiggle room, because of how they perceive God, but if someone believes that Jesus is a lesser deity, they are still saved, despite their faulty perception. They're just in error on a technicality. Very inconsistent. And this is a Trinitarian speaking.
No Sam, they didn’t believe Jesus was claiming to be God because He quoted a passage from The Old Testament! It is way more simplistic than that. They wanted to destroy Jesus(John 5:17,18; 10:30-33) because they know that every son is equal to their father in nature and essence. As Jacob is equal to his begetter Isaac and as Isaac is equal to his begetter Abraham. Jews were incensed at Jesus because He called God His Father!!!
Am I the only person who finds it extremely odd that these two supposedly men of principle spoke very ill of each other and now seem to be BFF's? Seems like the whole situation was manufactured drama for clicks. JS
@@MrguccmanThat take is deluded, not saying you’re delusional but the take is false entirely. The beef went on for over 7 months, you don’t fake a 7 month beef just for views when he easily could’ve gotten views simply teaming up to begin with.
@ChannelName12z-bu7bn man, you ppl really like your backhanded insults. Ok, fine, I will accept that my take was a misreading of the situation. I, with humility, apologize to both JP and Sam. I bet neither one would offer @SIIIG the same curiosity. But let's see.
@@Mrguccman What does sig have to do with this. IF Sig apologises for his misleading arguments im sure he will be forgiven, has he admitted his mistake? These two made up and apologised to one another.
