It's concrete in place with 1000s of organizations that work like a machine bulldozed their propaganda and dominance into the Community turning maoris into activist victims and Pakeha into sympathisers with white guilt. How do we eliminate or change the minds? I fear it's too late. If maoris can just trespass and occupy private land today without being arrested, they are Governing us with anger and hate for how we made this Country great while they didn't know what a wheel was.
@@ducker09 You clearly took my comment the wrong way! Also we are not related, however.... From your profile (RU-vid) comments We share the same thoughts and stance?
The next leader of NZ first has arisn in this hour. A clever, well-spoken politician who will ensure NZ will never be separated by race nor hatred. One who understands you need to make money before you spend money
A man of education who uses misdirection, loathing, and slagging as a means to continue to service the corporate 1% through policy manipulation . Why would you champion this schlock? He doesn't care about you.
The main purpose of the Treaty was to ensure that both parties to it would live together peacefully and develop New Zealand together in partnership. The Treaty does this by assuring Māori that their interests will be protected and confirming citizen equality... Is it a Document or Is it an Agreement THAT IS THE LEGAL QUESTION MY DEAR WATSON!!
@@DrakeBuilders So how many times does the treaty have the word "partnership" in it oh wise one? Do you actually know? Let me help you. Zero, nought, nada, none, zilch, not once. Try again, start with facts.
About time the waitangi tribunal was put on its place as should be co-governance and the treaty. The maori version of the treaty was translated from the English version and the English version says maori cede sovereignty to the crown, nothing about co-governance.
The treaty gave everyone equality and equal rights. I'm sick of the BS. It's nearly 200years down the track. The only people holding Maori back and suppressing them are TPM, and elite tribal radical activist racist Maori and all the paternalistic do gooders that make Maori dependent on the state and who take away their ability to rise up and become productive human beings who can achieve anything they want to. Many Maori hold high prestigious jobs and vocations. I admire anyone who works hard and doesn't blame everyone else for all their misfortunes in life but picks themselves up and makes the best and most of all the opportunities and options that are available to them.
90% of Maori in this country don't care about the treaty of Waitangi. It's not going to improve their lives. Only urban living / University educated radical Maoris talk about it.
@@lisac1619sadly have to agree, but must add that David Seymour is up there with them. I voted for the Act party because of Luxon's non-stand on cogovernance. It needs to go as does the Waitangi tribuna.l
Its very noticeable that Shane and Winston are being used as the lead debaters on behalf of the coalition, and both are doing an excellent job in putting some backbone into national in regard to the waitangi tribunal and the question of co governance being reined in.
they all in the same bed just different approaches running off the back of each other’s garbage attacks on Maori yous are all suckers to these grifters they just setting themselves up for their own interests they definitely not in the interest of the people not one bit
Thank you Shane!! You and Winston seem to be some of the few from your bicultural background that can bridge the cultures and see us all as members of one nation, who should all have equal rights and opportunities. I will never call it anything except The Treaty.
@@schlookie That's not how Parliament works. They don't ALL have to be in the house, and they aren't going to be removed because they weren't there. They are paid to represent and advocate for their people. They were present at a National Kapa Haka event, talking and supporting their people. They would have to do something bad in order to be removed.
I wouldn't call NZ first for the nation, lead by a waffling old waka jumper from way back who's only interested in his baubles and his side kick Shane (slip me some koha bro) another waka jumper.
@@tonywood3660only way to go is to get rid of the racist corrupt elite tribal radical Maori,TPM, and the Waitangi tribunal and all the their divisive BS that goes with the lot of them.. You're probably only 25% tribal radical activist Maori anyway. So suck it up and get on the same page as most commonsense NZers who want to move on collectively as one and can't be bothered with the divisive racist rhetoric that is tearing our national fibre apart. All the money being wasted on court cases and lawyers etc could be better spent in health, justice and housing for a start.
Shane Jones is brilliant, thank goodness NZ first and Act are in the coalition. Luxon needs to step up or he will be out next election, one people on vote all equal.
I agree we as a nation cannot be divided, United we stand, divided we fall. We are multicultural so lets show the World how to live equally, and bring forth the talks and bring it out in the open, exactly what David Seymour asked, its time to straighten it all out, and go forth from here, we cannot live in the past, we need to look forward to the future for all New Zealanders.
We are a nation with bi-cultural roots. And multiculturalism is used to take away the very rights Māori have long fought for. What a ridiculous statement to make
@@NP-fk4qr Having a Maori heritage myself, it's not just Maori that live in this country, hence why the term multiculturism, but going by your words I see it's all you consider, Maori only as far as your concerned, well if we think like you, this country won't go far.
@@janconway2880 Nah, its people like you who cannot see the bigger picture. Māori like yourself who lack understanding that Te Tiriti was signed so that Māori could continue to maintain their rangatiratanga and control over what was always theirs to begin with. It means that, noway do others get to legislate and decide that Te Reo Māori has no place on road signage, or visibility within this country as one example. Māori get to sit at the table and make decisions that benefit all because that is what Te Tiriti means. Why should other nations, who have their OWN COUNTRY get to decide what happens here? Make it make sense since you obviously know better - not.
@@NP-fk4qr Other nations are not involved, Other ethnic people are, if they take the NZ oath to be a law abiding citizen, work, pay taxes, why can't they have a say in how it's directed, what are you so afraid of, I don't like having to pay a mortgage, but it's the only way I can get a roof over my head, if I die tomorrow the house I worked so hard for will be sold and it will go to someone who is prepared to look after it like I did or not, we are only caretakers for a period of time, change is inevitable, if we don't move forward it will cost all of us, isn't that the same as Te Tiriti o Waitangi, a protection for NZer's, to be fair, act honorably, consult with everyone or is it just for Maori, coming from a person who doesn't seem to know much.
@@janconway2880 Did you read what I said, or did you jump to your own conclusion? It doesn't matter what oath a person takes, it still doesn't mean that they whakapapa here. They have a country that still stands, and they can have their say there. Te Tiriti o Waitangi allows for Tangata tiriti to be here, in PARTNERSHIP with Māori. But history illustrates that Pākehā haven't upheld that notion. Don't question my intelligence, when you have zero clue about history from what I can read.
@@003rivers There is debate about whether Māori are indigenous since they are recent colonists , but that aside, my intent is to say that Tiriti a pakeha word spoken in Māori, the same word as in English. I would use macrons if I knew how to type them here. Māori is one of the beautiful languages to listen to if pronounced well. Ha ! I just discovered how to apply macrons here (in spellcheck option)! Kia Manaakitia e ra.
@@003rivers I did not say whether maori are indigenous are not, certainly not in respect to this land, I did not address that at all. . I said that an English word transliterated into maori is not a word that is indigenous (to the maori language). It is an English word adjusted to fit the poetry of maori korero., like many other english words and phrases e.g. Kaputi (cuppa tea), wiki (week), taiapa (fence) Ahitereiria (Australia). These are all transliterations used in maori but are not indigenous to the original language .
along with Winston and Seymore, Shane is the most sensible parliamentarian in the house, Luxon has to grow a pair of balls and back the scrapping of the treaty and the Waitangi tribunal !! the leeching has to stop !!
He's a joke just like the rest of them. He was algood to defend Te Tiriti when he was apart of labour, and now he joins a fringe party that is only in because of a coalition not because he was voted in by the majority.
Good comment - however we disagree that the Treaty of Waitangi be scrapped . It is after all a Covenant, and Covenants are to remain enduring. Having said that, the Treaty of Waitangi properly applied will benefit all New Zealanders. Maori are indeed the recognized Tangata Whenua, however all Maori carry the blood of non-Maori ancestors. We are all New Zealanders - let's get on with it and show the world what we're made of. Kia kaha!
Good one shane. Make sure the weak knees in national dont play their games. Multiethnic not multicultural. A house divided must fall as our house NZ has been doing over both labour and national for decades
Wait! The original English final Treaty that was translated from was misplaced in 1841 so which one is being displayed ask yourself. The lost Treaty was miraculously found in 1989 but Waitangi rejected reference to it because they already had backtranslated the Maori version into a false English version. The discovered Treaty has been authenticated but not made public or ever on the news or mentioned by Maoris. Julian Bachelor of stop Co-Governance has the best presentation.
Shane speaks from the heart for all NZers as it should be ,Jacinda and her Marxist policies tried to divide NZ She should be examined by parliament and the the judiciary and made accountable for her racial bias policies
@@NP-fk4qr He doesn't speak for the people that care for our flora & fauna or environment either. Comments like "Profit or a native frog - goodbuy Freddy" shows he has no concern for New Zealand, only money.
Ardern belongs in jail...also anybody who thinks Mr Jones isn't thinking 100% for the betterment of New Zealand and delivering exactly what it needed is just plain ignorant....oooos.... apologies, I meant...stupid.
@@cyberfish6849 No Point living rich if you are living in a sewer & I thank God we had Arden as PM as she saved thousands of lives that would probably have died under Nation as they would have been work as normal, spread that virus around because money comes before lifes.
Co-governance is supposedly gone, but co-lingual (is that a word?) remains. Why hasn't the coalition taken control when assuming power and done what was said they would do?
The Waitangi Tribunal is a gravy train for the many advisors who comprise the board. It is focussed only on Māori issues and non-Māori cannot seek redress through its offices. It needs to go.
Precisely all made for them even the Bible was translated but is meant to say the closest equivalent and if there's doubt, the English version takes precedence.
Hear, hear! The Treaty is a document written in English and translated to Maori ... why, does it seem, that the English original is ignored in favour of some contorted interpretation of the Maori version. The Greens, seemingly, have translated it into Spanish and have even wilder and wackier interpretations in mind. 'Our citizenship is indivisible' - well spoken. I would add that 'Sovereignty is indivisible' - there is NO 'partnership' between Maori and the Crown just as the Treaty of Waitangi documents the confederated chiefs ceding sovereignty to Victoria and none of Victoria's sovereign rights to the Maori.
Why is it that the Pākehā version holds precedent and Mana when the UN recognizes that the indigenous version of any treaty should be acknowledged first? Why is it that Pākehā translated Te Tiriti and used it to their advantage? Stop talking about nothing because you have zero idea.
@@NP-fk4qr Which article of the UN Declaration of the Rights of Indigenous People allows for a translation of a treaty to be regarded as authoritative over the original? I have read the document ... your interpretation does not seem to be accurate. Always happy to be corrected.
@@battfishvoodoo-rl8qr Māori politics are not separatist. And neither is having a Māori parliament. Te Tiriti was signed between two people, Māori and the Crown. Which means that YES Māori get to have a say. When has NZ ever been united? Pākehā complain when Māori signage is put up even though Māori is an official language. There is so much more to this than labelling Māori as separatist because you don't understand.
Shane Jones, is from the same individual outspoken stuff, of Tim Shadbolt, (back in the Day)....both University types , but, whom gained, instead a Mouth, (regard the Megaphone and standing on a box, ) Jones went onto , be, some Maori fellow , whom , felt he was beyond, stuff, and then be , rejected from his, Political Position, within the Labour Party...History, His....Now, , with, this , Scally Wag, (within the NZ Political Horizon) Winston Peters, and this , character ...Shane Jones....all because, The National Party , felt, or ,thought, that they could, influence so many peoples, (after that...Jacinda ...!!) but, National...has to accept. These clowns...Winston Peters, Shane Jones, and.......David Seymour...within their strategy....of Making New Zealand. "Strong Again"....Shane Jones, and Tim Shadbolt.....!!
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Constitution is the business of the people via the rules of democracy. I think MANY would be concerned by any changes away from that. I that isn't a racial statement, it's a cultural one.
On 13 September 2007 the UN General Assembly adopted the Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples (DRIP). On 6 February 1840 the confederated Maori tribes ceded sovereignty to Queen Victoria and became British subjects of the New Zealand colony with concomitant rights and duties. Maori, in 1840, in the three articles of the Treaty received more, from the British, than what the UN mandates in 2007 - they obtained the protections of English Common Law. Of course this changed both Maori and British settler culture. Of course there have been difficulties and problems. Of course there has been bad will, on both sides of the Treaty. This document shaped where we are, today, and the original intentions are still honourable and relevant. Certain Tribal Fundamentalists seek to return to a version of rangitiritanga that never existed in history and is riddled with hypocrisy and some vision of multi-tiered rights, in law. Rights cannot be contradictory; I cannot claim a right that removes a right from someone else. The socialists believe that all outcomes in society should be equal. This, of course, has never been true and is apparent to all, especially school children. How many people forgot this lesson is a mystery ... though my personal view is that it requires a degree of abandonment of rational thought usually found in the Greens and TPM membership. It is the alliance between "Tribal Fundamentalism" and "socialist equality of outcome" that has bred the hydra of "te tiriti culture". Words and history do not matter to the exponents of this fraud ... virtue signalling becomes more important than fact ... mysticism and tribal feeling dominate over logic and rational debate. David Seymore's Treaty Principles Bill and Shane Jones' call for us to remember our history and steadfastly face the problems we encounter, today, are key steps to brushing aside the deceit and sophistry of "te tiriti culture".
Im glad Jones, you honesty admitted that NZ is not a lawfully consented government and isnt going to be one. ie Onlt parliament has the right to talk of constitution leaving out the Maori and the people
Jones you kupapa (traitor) to Maori The treaty is not bi lingual its written in Maori . It happens to be translated into English as it it can be translated into any language meaning its not bi libgual it would be multi lingual but its still not even that. Yes theres a English version that doesnt count because its written differently ie incorrectly
