Shin Megami Tensei V: Vengeance TRULY is Definitive! - REVIEW 

I thought it was just me who sucked. I gave up on it . The grinding was just so wack I don't have much time to play since I keep busy. So I never went back too it.

I absolutely hated the punishment for being underleveled in SMTV. especially with how much exp is required to level up as well as SMT's reputation for requiring strategy over brute force made me annoyed.

@@BoostedMonkey05 the stragedy part is understandable. That's pretty much how intense the games have always been. Being underleveled is as well standable. Maybe when I was younger I had time for that. Now I don't want to invest mindless hours of receiving low xp for that. Persona does it better and gives easily ways to earn more xp. Smt doesn't which I understand is part of it, but not anymore for me personally.

Yeah I remember I ran around grinding for one major boss and dropped it after

Yeah. Normally in every Megaten game up to vanilla V, you can be a fee, hell, even 20 levels or so below a boss and still be able to fight them as long as you keep using Buffs and Debuffs, and some luck, but V made it nearly impossible to do a low level run.

FAIR??? FAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIR!?!?

Yes

@@billyboleson2830 Ah, thank you.

Me when I spent summers looking around at stores for Persona 4 or Kingdom Hearts 2, and then they announce all these remasters

Lmao😂😂😂 right! Like buying a ys game.

100%. It's even worse now that they can't seem to properly finish up the big projects, released a half-baked product and then actually come around to finish the rest years later.

Tbf almost every developer does it, especially among Japanese developers… Don’t believe me look at capcom , Square Enix, or BandaiNamco…

I hope they improved on this, it was a major disappointment for long-term SMT fans, I mean the route literally just changed which bosses you face in the last hallway of the game.

Vengeance apparently brings with it 3 new endings, but that's all I know.

seems to be like SMT IV where every descision leads towards your ending instead of one major choice at the end

Choice definitely matter this time around. They’re more of them as well.

I'm replaying SMT IV right now and yea.. that game is a f*cking masterpiece.

You look exactly like Hideo Kojima it's scary

Makes me wonder if that ign review will be just as bad again

​@@7evanPersona without the Heart Royal

in vengance? yeah, the new Path overall puts less view on the world alone and more on the Human companions together WITH the world. Also overall everything gameplay wise is already 3 times better and most importantly...MORE DEMONS!

I would like advice on this as well!!

Canon of creation first.

Good to know thanks

Time flies

Wait until it's 2046 and it'll have been a quarter century...that's how I feel like with the Game Boy Pokemon games.

You can pick the one you want first, there are 2 differents original storys, so you cant go wrong.

Whatever you think. If you want to play the og first so you can see the improvements, do it, if not play what everyone else is

If you want the complete experience, play the original Canon of Creation route first before trying out the Vengeance route. If you value your time, I suggest you go with the Vengeance route because at the end of the day you still wont be able to experience the unbalanced level scaling we had in the original SMT V unless you own the copy of the game.

Just play the new one

Play the canon of creation first, you will definitely get more payoff this way.

I heard there are only 2 endings in vengeance

Hi friend

@@KatanaRikku Hoping all is well, fine sir

Probably Vengeance.

Vengance straight up

Vengeance for sure.

It's a different canon, but there are things unexplained that still happen in both but happen off screen in one.

welcome to atlus!

Large level gaps were a common thing in older SMT games, and you could (with the right team) best a foe much higher level than you, for example Matador in Nocturne is level 30, but you fight him when you're about level 15

I dont know why he said that either. Especially since if youre 5 levels below you will barely scratch enemies

nope only for switch

@@dragonsdogma2062 absolute bullshit

@@PenguinsAreColdish you expect Nintedo to work with other consoles ? XD

@@PenguinsAreColdishhow would you even expect that work?

@@papipepino. yes?

YES

Absolutely, the game is great!! Just be prepared to grind🙂

You can choose any route as your first, their stories wont interconnect, so go with whatever floats your boat

It doesn't matter. Both has nothing to do with each other.

You can start with whichever you want. Both are different canons. Tho I would recommend playing Vengeance first since it’s more interesting, in my opinion.

🤓 um ackshully he’s not saytan

The first major boss had you level grind for a good bit until you could survive its attacks. There's probably one or two more bosses like that i'm forgetting.

Yep, Shiva was the only challenge for me. After him beating Satan was so easy. Didn't like that moment. Hope they addessed this issue, cause i want to get SMT V for ps5. Very hyped for the game. Really liked it.

Thing is that there was always a "ladder" of bosses to fight in sequence, one after the other. Yes, it was kinda annoying to never stand a chance against any boss who was a few levels above you but that doesn't mean that the player was completely out of options. I played on hard and I had a guide of each boss at hand, so I always knew which boss to tackle next.

There’s a super boss you can only fight if you play creation campaign abd then vengeance

I think both routes kind of paint the whole picture. So I can see Vengeance being better for the characters while Creation teaches more about the world itself. Experiencing both in any order (you don't need every ending because there are multiple ones for each route) will give the full picture. Creation was the OG so I can see some elements in Vengeance working better with Creation knowledge in mind and I heard the Vengeance Superboss is only unlocked via beating the Creation Superboss in a prior NG. My plan will be going for the plat anyways so I will play through both routes multiple times.

I love the battle system but it's definitely a punishing game, lol.

Nah level scaling was trash and it dicourages people trying to beat stronger demons. It just made the game more boring. This new change is objetively better .

Nu-uh

Megaten fans lambasted the OG for its doodoo scaling lol

Nah, the level scaling in the og was trash and the spike at the end of the game was abhorrent game design lol I'm glad they changed this

Creation

Vengeance, there isn't any reason to play through creation anymore as reviews have said that vengeance is a lot better

Vengence for sure.

I dunno I can do without smirk lol

​@@MILDMONSTER1234Still waiting on a remastered SMT4 with the updated smirk lol

Smt 5 is miles ahead of smt 4. The comparison isn't even fair. Smt 5 is a better game in every way.

@@MILDMONSTER1234nah man they need to bring smirk back

@@im_justin_u9493 smirk is fine the problem with 4 is that everyone is a glass canon. It would fit a game like nocturne better

So far in my playthrough, no. If you play the canon of vengeance, it plays a mix of the new music and old. Haven’t played canon of creation but I’d assume it has mostly the old music

@@infernoquest441damn i like the old battle music better…..

All the reviews I have seen said that you can go straight to vengeance with no issues In fact, if you didn't buy the original, you can't anymore as that version has been delisted

The DLC unlocks on launch, so no.

Wait that's your own fault for neglecting the game back in 2021 not Atlus doing a definitive version nearly 3 years later lol

Brother buy an offline activation account for like 4 bucks like i did

How did you not find time in 3 WHOLE ASS YEARS to play a 60-70 hour game??? No one is that busy.

@@enigmaticheart666 being in the army is tough, buddy

You’ve had years to play it…thats your fault

You a fromsoft fan? Or just stole the "'git good" saying off them? Lol

@@MrSkullMerchant i’m a fan of your mom

@@lorenzopiscosi9566 awsome 👍

It is on PC

lol

It is launched on the same day

Of course. That was in the vanilla version

It’s free

Explain "unfair" LoL

​@@chechuromero5734 He means game with challenge is unfair 😂. He hates Souls games

Im in ps5 last zone and until now I was able to take a clip every time

Don't give up on the game and fuse new demons. If you're stuck on a boss try to google their weakness.

@@LuizFelipe-lm4ih it’s a grinding game ?

@@mrwiggles5331 With Vengeance removing the original game's soft-level cap, you shouldn't need to grind if you're at least decently skilled and make a point of completing all the sidequests you can. That said, the SMT series is notorious for being significantly more difficult than the average game. SMT V, while far from unreasonable, is going to be tough if you're not used to harsh turn-based combat. My main advice to any newcomer to most SMT games (or Persona games for that matter) is to try and end most battles in a single turn without giving the enemy any chance to act. The press-turn system (getting extra actions by hitting weaknesses or losing them if your moves miss or are blocked) can change the momentum of a fight very quickly. Letting the enemy team get a single turn can snowball into them taking huge chunks out of your team before you get another change to act, so don't give them that chance if at all possible. As for boss battles, similar logic applies; try to end fights as quickly as the boss' health supply will allow, with stat buffs and debuffs being critical to surviving many of those battles.

Not anymore but originally It trully was​@@mrwiggles5331

It's not really a grindfest, unless the difficulty is too high for you. There is also a "Safety" difficulty as a free DLC, depending on your platform. Best advice: fuse, fuse, fuse. Fill that Compendium up as fast as you can. You could try to "work your way up" a particular race of your choice, use it as your "main" army, and then go back to fill out the rest, from low to high. Use Reverse Compendium Fusion a LOT. It takes most of the guesswork out of fusing. For Elementals, DO NOT SUMMON THEM STRAIGHT FROM THE COMPENDIUM. It's MUCH cheaper to do a Reverse Compendium Fusion of the Elemental, then use that for the next Fusion (you'll see what I mean).

I like V way more than Nocturne

SMTV doesn't have any of the social links and calendar managing stuff, but the RPG and monster fusion elements are the same and arguably better. SMT series is also more plot heavy compared to persona's laid-back life sim vibes

5The Persona series is a spin-off of this series, more light-hearted with school social sim aspects involved. They both have completely different vibes. Some people prefer one over the other but Persona is probably more popular by far. Persona is typically more casual though, easier game mechanics and not quite as complex. Persona has more likable characters and far more charm.

@@pyrazdravise1846I would argue SMT has less plot and much more gameplay oriented compared to persona’s

shiva was super boss

@@astolfo2305 in the base gane you had to beat shiva first to unlock the true neutral route. Your party would be so over leveled against the final boss, it's not even a challenge

I don't know if all improvements are in vainilla, but combat changes are 100% there, the exploration and guest sistem I can't tell.

It goes for both routes. They showed them in vaious PVs and showcases for the past few months and just few days ago.

Diabolical !!

I suppose for other RPGs that’s a big level difference, but I remember in SMT IV being able to destroy a level 70 monster with a party of level 25 allies lol

Game media channels get the games early. Isn't this not common sense?

U dont want to know the score for this game…