Shine 2017 SSBM - TSM | Leffen (Fox) vs FOX MVG | Mew2king (Marth) - Melee LQ 

i don t think that

Fox beat marth

Peña Lobi No

Fox doesn't lose, he's fox!

@@juniors8745 I don't either, I'm a Marth main. Just poking fun at leffen. He made a video about this being 60-40 in favor of marth.

I love it

LOL This is gold.

Reddo lol

What is a dead pixel

Louis Roth II why you.... Y U BULLY ME

@@Adaminho89 Dead Pixels Are Black Pixels Wich Aren't Supposed To Be There, And The TV Generates For A Reason I Don't Know

BupsAreA DyingRace ok thanks

Ricky Ricardo 😂

M2k with that frame perfect stuff strikes again

I guess he was off camera just long enough to take damage, though it is pretty weird to see that happen onstage.

VPJC seriously.. I like to play this game netplay sometimes but these players make me look like a god damn fool.

Noel Ramos People get pissed when the winner doesn't replay set, they get pissed when the set is replayed with a different winner... Smash community in a nutshell

That may be true but it also affects the battle. Komo wouldve won his match with Zack if it weren't for the knockback being affected

Suna Yi If you only consider that second or third to last hit, you're right. Think about it though the entire match could/would've played out differently. The knockback on EVERY hit was different including EVERY combo. No one knows how that exact game would've gone.

doesn't matter if it affects both players. In case the set was played not according to the ruleset the set/last match should be replayed. doesn't matter who ended up winning it.

It doesn't fundamentally affect the game like .9 does. Its a good addition to melee but they still played classic melee. The shit they have both been playing for ages. It's a dumb situation that makes leffen look like a dick and chu look like a bro.

BARS

we all gawking, looking at your fox bitch, stick to smash 4 and losin' by four stocks

Caro not a fan of your style ain't standing on your ground

Also Evan I would like to point out that leffen had not 1 but 2 button checks during the set yet this wasn't a problem till afterwards

Maybe he noticed something was off, but couldn't figure out what it was. Easy on the assumptions

I love how you can read peoples minds, thats really cool.

honestly that crowd was brutal anyways, I think the karma was enough justice.

Varde1234 Cause ads

Also because 4:3 aspect ratio

SkaterLauro dont live in the past. live in the present.

MoJo Pro agreed on the study part. Leffens recent study into marth really shows here too. Tbh I don't think the counterpick is needed

MoJo Pro I think he wants to learn the match up more rather than relying on another character to beat that match up

Angel V Wow, a comment chain that is actually productive! Anyway, I'm no melee player (I play Smash 4) so I can't speak from experience in melee, but personally I think picking up a new character just for a single MU is harder and more time consuming than attempting to learn a bad MU with the same character you main. Of course, there are some exceptions, but since Fox is widely considered the best character in Melee I'm fairly certain he doesn't have any horrendously bad MU's like Ness vs. Rosalina in Smash 4. Feel free to correct me if I got something Melee-related wrong. Either way, regardless of the drama going on, great set to both players! The movement astounded me!

It is definitely more time consuming but melee is basically Leffen's life so why not? Just a thought though.

True. He lost to The Moon as well during EVO 2017, with his Marth.

Daniel Chapman he had to avenge Chudat

Jean Osorio people always hate Leffen. Right now they're this vocal because Leffen and Chudat replayed their match and Leffen lost in the first, but won in the second. The match was replayed because Universal Controller fix wasn't turned on in the first one.

It's fun because it's not Leffen's fault if the fix wasn't turned on. And always that "USA" stupid chant... When you play Melee you cheer for the player or the character you prefer, or his style, not your country it's stupid... That bullshit is there since Mang0 - Leffen many years ago. Stop that shit. + People considering Chudat worths it better than Leffen are you kidding me ? IC wobbling ? Fuck that shit...

Jean Osorio I know right! I'm still wondering why people hate on Leffen so much, even before this incident. I'm not a fan of his, but he is really good, lol.

it was cause Leffen basically robbed Chudat in his last set, so the crowd was mad at him and probably just wanted him to lose.

Commander Crunch p

ChuDat won a set vs Leffen on vanilla Melee (UCF was off). Leffen did not say a word until the SET WAS OVER, then he won the rematch that they played (with UCF on).

@@theseb5981 necroing but yea that is pretty BM. oh well

thepxlgaming you can argue chu because a result was actually determined but shroomed was not a lock despite what people seem to think lol.

Alexis Lopez Apparently the TO's made a screw up in the Leffen vs Chu matchb(something about Universal Controller Fix, idk), resulting in Leffen not being able to do super important stuff like shield drops and stuff. So after he lost, he asked to replay the set after fixing it. The second time around, he won, and ppl are now salty assholes because he won when it was played on fair terms.

He played 5 games. All 5. Once something is logged in the books, it's official. Name a single sports organization that has every had two teams replay a series due to missed/bad calls or a mistake by the officials. Teams and players get screwed. It happens. Redoing the set is one of the most unprofessional things I've seen from the Melee community, but then I guess the whole scene is going unprofessional. Pros get special treatment, and it's not even close to disputable. They show up late to matches, do insanely long handwarmers that make the even go over time, get coached mid set when the rules explicitly state that is illegal, and get sets reversed. Should EVERYONE who played a set on that TV be allowed to redo their games? Should we go and redo pools? What about everyone who played a top 96 match on that TV? Why does Leffen alone get the redo? The whole situation is just so scummy. It's not Leffen's fault, but the set should have stood.

Alix La Phaise Yeah because vanilla melee is on totally unfair terms

There's so much Leffen salt everywhere in these comments

I love it

What an excellent profile picture

To me it's the crucial error at 7:24 I don't even understand why Leffen wanted to shine, m2k had no option but ledgegrab, edgehog was the only one solution. And then the match turned is m2k favour. Yeah it's earlier than your time. But I persist.

KickPunch I wouldn't say "marth beats fox" outright. I'd say its 50-50.

I don't think you got what I was said.

KickPunch Care to explain further then?

I didn't say marth beats fox. Unless you were just commentating on the matchup rather than what I was saying.

E B you obviously said it in your comment

Salt always tastes best when it comes from tears

sick b8 dude you're a massive dumbass btw

TheFleeingPhoenix You obviously didn't watch the S2J M2K set. They didn't stop talking about S2J the entire set.

@carl you misunderstood, they're biased against m2k. Them talking about S2J all set backs up my claim that they are biased.

No. *Chudat* should've won. Get it right.

wait... no reason? are you blind or something?

The TOs fucked up, twice, not Leffen.

Guys chill the fuck out, M2K would have done what Leffen did. Leffen was right to be concerned about the control setups. Dash backs and shield drops are VITALLY important at this level. Missing those matters a lot.

for accepting the replay when he could have declined