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Many years ago (25+) I bumped into David Helfgott at an airline check-in queue at Cairns Airport, where I had just spent an idyllic week in FNQ with a friend. He Was walking up and down the queue happily chatting to everyone with his wife while she, was desperately trying to pull him away fearing he was offending people. When he got to me I asked him for a hug which he supplied enthusiastically, and said what an honour it was to meet him. He asked me “Why?”… I could not answer that question, there is no answer.
I had a similar encounter at the Melbourne baggage carousel. It was a sublime experience. He oozes an infectious, uninhibited, gregarious nature. What is there not to love about the purity of his geniune affection for people. Its like all the caution we are taught from an early age has been stripped from his soul . He relates to people the way we would like to, but alas can not.
I know his father was a tyrant that caused mostly of David's troubles but the moment when he cries after hearing his son performing his favorite piano Concerto it's really heartbreaking. He was a sick man scared to lose his family after he had lost his family during the Holocaust and wasn't able to handle the situation. Both were in fact victims.
Not exactly. The boy had real troubles and his father could not leave him to live alone abroad. He may have been a tyrant but I am not sure that this is not just dramatization from the part of the storytellers...
Read about the real story. The entire film was a fiction. His father is portrayed as a tyrant, when in fact he was the opposite. He was the one that nursed him after he had a nervous breakdown and didn't forbid him from studying. Helfgott's sister spent years trying to clear this up to the press and to everyone that believed the film to be the truth. Helfgott did not call home to have his father hang up on him. His mental breakdown escalated and culminated with him going back home and then entering a mental asylum. He eventually left and was living with his father when his father died.
So much in this film... such brilliance and pathos. Then RU-vid has the nerve to put the commercial with that "Learn the piano in a week with only 4 chords" jack-off
2:00 the movie jumps from the beginning of the first movement to the middle of the 3rd movement. 3:16 the movie goes back to the end of the second movement 3:37 the movie jumps to the end of the third movement Obviously they couldn't do the entire concerto, but I'm glad they got most of my favorite parts of the concerto. One of the finest pieces of music ever composed!
One of the finest, better said, the finest piano concerto ever ever written. As for the finest music, I’d say, and that’s just my view, Rach’s 2 is a better musical composition than Rach’s 3.
I hadn’t realized that till you pointed it out, I guess they figure few people would notice. I’ve seen this performed live twice and I can’t fathom how difficult this must be to learn to play without making mistakes.
That's show biz, snowflake. Entertainment movies are not ho hum de dumb plodding documentaries. The young man who played the composer should have won an Oscar.
Every time I hear this version, or see the movie, tears are coming up in my eyes. My favorite movie! A friend of me met David Helfgott in the Blue traintrip in South Africa and he is liek in this movie. Hugging everybody he did not know up to then. This scene and the Bumble bee made me learn to listen to Rachm, and appriciate more and more classical music. And Amadeus of course after reading the books about Mozart.
Every time I see Noah Taylor, I think of this film. He’s aged into a villain (lol) but always think of his amazing performance in Shine whether he’s cutting off Lannister hands or leading the SS
same...i feel the pain the disappointment the eager to please yet never could to his father. The sadness when he plays and the heartfelt song was not just a summary of a lot of parenting issues but so much stress come from within.
My own 2-cent movie analysis: Rachmaninoff's 3rd piano concerto is used extensively throughout this movie as a metaphor for David's mental/emotional state, and other clues are given as well. His professor says "no one's ever been mad enough to attempt the Rach 3" and David asks "am I mad enough professor?" The professer then gives a look as if to say "yes" LOL. He often runs while dropping his sheet music everywhere. He once walked up the stairs with no pants or underwear on. When he performs the cadenza for his teacher at the Royal College, he has trouble sticking with the notes and is scolded. He plays until the piano wire snaps-- a foreshadowing of David "snapping". When he finally performs the concerto we see here, the excerpts are played out of order, again hinting at his chaotic inner mental world. Look at the frenzied camerawork as David plays that crazy scherzo near the end. Finally David falls on stage... again, not LITERALLY happening since there is dead silence, no one in the background and no one rushing to his aid on stage, indicating this is all happening in his head just as the snapping piano wire foreshadowed. Much later after David performs the Flight of The Bumblebee in the tavern and is getting praise, you hear the triumphant arpeggios of Rach 3's 3rd movement playing in the background. Fantastic cinematography! I credit this movie with awakening my love of Rachmaninoff's music, especially this concerto, and classical music in general.
Saw Garrick Ohlsson perform this about twenty years ago. He gave a talk before he played and said "I learned this piece when I was younger before I could be afraid of it, and contrary to the movie 'Shine' it will not drive you crazy.... well not anymore than any other concerto". Great movie, greater performance, and greatest piece.
I was at Forrest High at the same time but never got to know him. He was pretty much a loner, easily identified by his shock of hair and distant look. I saw him many years later at a private concert in Perth and he had changed so much.
I still don’t understand why Geoffrey Rush was nominated (and won) for the Oscar when Noah had so much more screen time and pivotal scenes with this character!
There's so much subtext to this scene. Believe it or not, my dad was even worse than David's, and I can feel all the emotions and rationalizations that have lead David to this very moment moment, to him playing the Rach 3 and his experience through it.
I wish someone would put the scene on YT where he has just given a performance after coming back from 10 years of mental illness and his family visit from Australia without his father who has died. David breaks down in tears as he gets a rapturous round of applause and I find that one of the most moving scenes in any film I have ever seen.
My friend David did this same performance also at 16 years old at Juilliard School in new york. He developed an abnormality of the tendons not long afterwards and it was over....played since age 3 his mother a gifted teacher and pianist herself in north carolina
and when i saw that film, i ask to my mother she is a piano player and she told me thats was real and thats was when she was a college girl, and rigth now, is one of my favourite movie, because i know that is a real story. Tnx :D
Gerardo Nater its not all real. not sure about this scene but i know that his father was not an Ahole as portrayed here. and that is really the whole context or theme of the film a ton of artistic license here.
Helfgott indeed had a breakdown and ended up in hospital whilst playing the rach 3 ..movies are always glamourised but absolutely there are elements of truth to the movie shine
The rhytmic frenzy and breakneck pace in which this sequence happens is mesmerizing… makes you feel how David slowly unraveled from this titanic effort. Brilliant direction and acting, all around!! ❤❤❤
I don't know if such a thing exists yet, but if there isn't, I want to invent it. It's a program that plays this complete piano concerto from the pianist's point of view on a virtual realty set. You sit at your digital piano (has to be digital so you can make sure it's off), put the VR set over your face, turn it on and see yourself sitting at the piano with the orchestra to your left, the conductor above you, and the audience to your right. You then follow along with the conductor playing the piece, except even though you're hitting every wrong note on your digital piano, you're playing everything perfectly in the VR program. For those of us who could never, ever play this piece, I think this would be so amazing to have. And then you could buy all sorts of other pieces to play along with. Does this exist yet? If not...come on!
You tube has so many great players of this; including Rachmaninov himself...I have a classical playlist with Anna Fedorova playing the 3rd and 2nd concertos I like to hear the 3rd first flowing right into the 2nd...They are such important pieces! Unparalleled in my more than a half century of being a musician and music lover...
i wish i could pray with the same focus and commitment and open heartedness that that bloke plays the piano .some things would happen. still can't help but think Armin Mueller-Stahl is riveting as david's father .if anybody deserved an oscar for support actor he's one
I saw the movie Shine. It was wonderful. I felt sorry for the son and what he went through. I can't begin to imagine how difficult it was to have a father who was a tyrant.
There are many men who you would call a tyrant, but have been so twisted by abuse themselves they can no longer express themselves other than as shown in this movie. 3000 years of persecution will do that to a soul. When you 'break' a man, you really do break him; you break his damn soul. No man is a monster but for the damage caused by others.
David helfgott is so amazing his story and the film has to be one of my favs of all time probs 2nd 1st will always be titanic but this film is more that extraordinary what I would give to learn piano like this and I know I could learn and I want to but I have hyperhidrosis really bad so my hands sweat up to 5 times as much as the normal person all the time so it gets so frustrating I’ve been thinking about getting special gloves or even surgery to get it fixed because it makes my life so much harder
Never give up with your dream keep playing I'm a life long guitarist 43 years old devoted to my instrument and just last year started developing psoriasis in both hands. It won't stop me. Never give up!
The opening theme of Rocky #3 is an old drinking song. "I'll have another round, please. And please pass the cheese." Thus, Rocky had a sense of humour. The young man who played the young David should have also won an academy award!!!
Como si te contará de lo que se trata la vida, un vaivén de intensidades con sus lados buenos llenos de calma, alegría, plenitud, momentos en los cuales quisieras el tiempo se detuviera para no dejar de sentir esa felicidad , hasta llegar a sus lados de máyor euforia, estrés, dramatismo que en ocasiones sientes que estas al límite del colapso emocional, pero resurges fortalecido y listo para otro trajín de esto llamado vida
5:38 fucking brutal. For the horrible noise of him falling dead weight. Shutters to think what was going on in his mind as he hit the plywood. God... It reminds me when my uncle passed out from overthinking and stress. There are times when I feel like passing out, but a stronger angel tells me keep going and don't fall. Otherwise I know I ain't no more good.
I have seen this film a number of times. I have to say it discussed me the way his father treated this genius. Would you wonder that the poor lad had a nervous breakdown.
I heard Josh Wright play this concerto - When he was in 8th grade he performed the first movement, and when he was in 9th grade he performed the 3rd movement. It was amazing, I didn't think any 8th/9th grader in the world would be able to play this.
I always feel so conflicted about DH. On one hand, I would not wish his early life story on anyone, kids don't need that kind of vicarious living thru of the parents desires for success, the only thing a parent should ever do is love and be the best role model (I know it's a lovely thought and we live in an imperfect world, so will never happen). BUT There is no doubt in my mind at all, his genius with his craft is likely the sum of all the negative stuff. Had DH had these loving, nurturing, role model parents, it's unlikely he would ever gotten to be as good as he is. Genius is often tormented. You don't find people this talented,who are also really well socially adjusted, have what would be considered 'hollywood good looks' and can maintain normal relationships in life. Just like you find that some of the most brilliant writers, composers, etc, were drugged out of their heads most of the time. Usually why their masterpieces took so long to complete ... scattered minds I can relate to 😁
Still, it isn't a worthy trade to endure years of abuse and a lifetime of pain for some strokes of genius. And even then, many of the best pianists I know had perfectly wonderful parents.
All: if you like 3, try 4. His finest, I think, but least known. And for a real surprise, his first symphony, his finest work, after the Symphonic Dances.
Two months ago. I saved this. I am not going to lie. If you have to lie to save your own life. Then you lied in your life and death. Be a flower. Wilt. And then wait for the sun to come up again.
guys, i asked a few places more,, i am looking for a movie, remembering a few scenes, a child hides under a piano as his parents got murdered and after years he became a hitman , as he shots people classical music plays in the background. I have dreams about that movie maybe 20-30 years old movie cant remember details but i want to remember.
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-AapjpeqmviM.html If you love this piece or want to, Olga Kerns performance is 42 minutes of intense passion and satisfaction to this masterpiece
Everyone who is so incredibly moved by this piece played by Helfgott should listen to Horowitz or Rachmaninoff playing it. There are worlds between them.
Some pianists are "made" to be able to handle Rach 3. I'm not sure why some can and some cannot. It's not always technique. Artur Rubinstein never did it. Most people believe Rubinstein had plenty of enough technique to learn it. I think once Rubinstein was asked. I believe he replied that he was "too lazy" to put out the effort. I don't know if that is true. When Glenn Gould performed in Russia, many famous Russian pianists went to hear him play. Richter was one of them. Richter loved what Glenn could do. When asked about it, Richter was alleged to have said that: "He could probably learn to do what Glenn did, but was "unwilling" to put out the years of effort required to do it. Pianists like Helene Grimaud never did Rach 3, but did to Rach 2, which is much easier. Grimaud made a musical career out of both Brahm's concertos. I personally find the Brahm's much EASIER than Rach 3, and I have played all of them, but obviously never as a professional. David probably has an organic mental disease that has very little to do with his troubled relationship with his own father. I think David has no way to control his own reactions. Even by being medicated, which was a disaster for him. I think that David should be "left alone" to just react with people the way he feels, naturally. He obviously is not going to cause them any harm. David is still a great pianist but has some idiosyncrasies that separate him from the rest. In my opinion, David has EVERY RIGHT to do the music the way he wants. If he wanted to hug me, I would hug him back, just as much as he hugged me. Sanjosemike (no longer in CA) Retired surgeon
It's all in the head, my man. All artists at the top of their game still have doubts about what they can do. All of the greats are/were certainly capable of playing the Rach 3. It's just another piece of music. A lot of pianists fool themselves into thinking it is the Everest of piano literature. It is not. Of course it is a very difficult piece of music. I played it in college - it took nearly a year of dedicated work to get it down. I agree with the sentiment that some times the work is just not worth the payoff. Yes I played the Rach 3. Then I moved on to something else.
@@LaughingStock55 My hat's off to you for doing Rach 3. I could do Opus 57 Beethoven when I was 16 years old, and performed it publicly. And the Grieg concerto, which is way less difficult than Rach 3. Perhaps defects in my technique make Rach 3 too high to climb. Of course, I can do parts of it. But I am simply not a professional. It is obvious that you are. GREAT! Sanjosemike (no longer in CA)
@@sanjosemike3137 Lol I’m no professional. I played piano well from a young age, and I received my B.S. in Music. But I never did anything with it. It’s been probably 15 years since I last played publicly. I know I couldn’t pick up the Rach 3 now. I play music for enjoyment. There’s too much competition in professional practice for my taste.
@@LaughingStock55 For me it was very similar. I realized early on that even though I played really well, I had some technical problems that would affect my ability to develop a music career. I became a doctor instead. My surgery career was a great success and I was able to retire at 53 when my ambulatory surgery center was purchased. It is ironic, but I found the competition in medicine much less than in music! I got through medical school ok, got a great surgery residency and was able to get my ASC license on the first try. This is not to extol my abilities. I was not good enough to become a professional classical pianist. I had to make a choice of what I could actually do. And I loved being a doctor. Sanjosemike (no longer in CA)
