I am a big fan of Shinko Tires. Been using 777's and SE's on my touring bikes for years and NEVER had any issue. But any ADV bike tire paver style like this E705 at 5K miles is pretty much used up though it looks like you are just starting to show the wear bar but still enough tread left for a good 2K more miles. Specs for the tire are : 87-4530 170/60R17 H 72 4.25~5.50 25.04 in. 6.61 in. 42 psi and from my history of using and talking to Shinko Tire Reps in the past, all have said that on heavy bikes to run MAX pressure to get the most life out of the tires. So far their advice has served me well. I will be using this tire on my Tiger 1200 (same size) when my Kenda's finally need replacing. Definitely will keep an eye out for any issues, but then again, I've had car and truck tires from major brands do this same thing. Can't ignore the tires that is for sure. Also it is a 70/30 tire, not really made for much off-road for those who didn't know.
Thanks for the heads up. I know how you feel. Once you loose confidence in a specific product, the entire line becomes suspect of having the same issue. I am looking to ride from Massachusetts to Fairbanks Alaska then change tires. I own a V-Strom DL1000 so the tire size would be different, but think I will eliminate Shinzo branded tires from my “A” list just the same. Ride Safe!
This never happened with my klr650 or my thumper friends ofcourse it's a smaller less powerful bike. But now I have a new vstrom 1000 and was considering this tire for replacing my factory battle wing but cause of you're review I will not be going cheap on tires no more. I travel at much faster speeds now and do not want my tire to do that. Not worth the savings really . Thank you.
I was doing research on this model tire and your video made me think twice for sure. I'm hoping this is a one off. It would have been nice to post the manufacture date of this tire so others could cross reference theirs with your model with the bubble options. You know what they say,,,,"The cheapest man always pays the most." Thanks guy!
I think the issue is the tire size. I have seen several others complain about the exact same issue. You're right, I should have included the manufacturing date.
Nice review, it's a good thing you specified what size caused you issues (instead of just assuming they are all crap, it could be related to this size and the weight of your bike...maybe). Over the years I've noticed that what ever tire it is, whatever brand, there's always some experiencing bad wear or grip. On the 705s I've read that some found them super slippery in the wet, I've never had that experience and I ride pretty aggressive. I've gone through at least 10 sets of shinkos (705, and 805) without ever having an issue (on an africa Twin, triumph scrambler, Versys 650, and soon on my Super Tenere), but I can't claim they are perfect and everyone will love them, just like I couldn't say that about a Michelin tire :)
Thanks for the feedback. I really tried to be clear about the tire size I had issues with. I got shredded in the comments from others that didn't take that into consideration. Glad these tires have worked so well for you.
I've noticed the most common scenario where others have had the same problem you encounter is when they installed this rear ( same sized) tire on the heavier ( as in 650+ pounders) adv bikes, but rarely the middle weighters ( such as the cb500x which honestly is at the lower end of the middle weight class imo). Shrugs. I appreciate the vid regardless. Cheers.
@@torrid94 I don't think there are any if you are just talking about factory wet weight, but any of the big bikes can easily weigh that much with added accessories, crash bars, pannier racks, panniers, plus loaded for a trip.
That's about average for Shinko tires, they're great at about 5,500 miles. They perform great, some of the best out there, but they don't last incredibly long. I believe the jerk reaction for sending the tire back is harsh considering the reputation Shinko has.
I just purchased a set of 705s for my KLR. Brand new front 90/90-21 was deformed. After installing I had a front end wobble. Revzilla took them back and now I’m over Shinko as well.
The Shinko 705 Crossply is more suited to lighter dual sports / trail models up to 650cc such as TTR600, DR650 and KLR650. It is not suitable for heavier adventure bikes such as the V-Strom, larger BMW GS`s, KTM Adventure etc. For these larger capacity the Shinko 705 Radial is recommended. Manufacturer: SHINKO
the KTM adv is almost the same weight as the klr650 according to google.. Im just pointing that out cause I have the 890 and I am considering buying this tire, according to comments it looks like itll be fine for me.
Having the same exact problem. I’m at 6000 miles. Had to make an unexpected stop in Nashville today to get a new tire in the am for my 1150gs. Your exactly right with the old “you get what you pay for”. Michelin’s will be replacing this junk.
I have over 6k on the new Dunlop Trailmax Mission tires. It is a superior tire all aspects. Glad you were able to get it changed before a blow out while ont he road.
I ran a pair of 705's 90/90/21 & 150/70/17 on a 2014 Triumph Tiger XC for 7643 before it was traded. The bike had $3300 in suspension upgrades meaning I rode it hard and a lot off road. I didn't have any issues with either tire and I packed that thing pretty heavy taking it on out of state Moto camps. I just purchased a new to me Africa Twin and as soon as the Dunlop's that are on it are 60% done, I'm ordering a set of 705's to go on it. Heck I might do it now as they're on sale. Good luck with your future choices. 👍
Thanks, I think it was an issue with the particular tire size I was using, and a tubeless issue. I loved these tires up to the point of an unsafe failure. Enjoy the he AT, everyone seems to love them.
@@advmatt yeah I was running tubeless also. I do think your issue was two fold. I just don't think that tire handles the GS platform well. They "Can Be" hard on tires and that particular tire has shown not to hold up all that well on your platform. It's not that their all bad but there are higher than average failures from what I've read and observed. Thank you about the new ride. I'm in Phoenix so I haven't had a chance to put any miles on it yet due to the heat, 600 or so. I actually put 95 off road on today as we had rain move in and it cooled off. I've been riding 46 years and for God knows why I decided to get a DCT! Like I need to master something new at 59 years old 😆. I had been thinking I may had made the wrong choice but today... Today I was as fast as I've ever been with a clutch and with a lot less arm pump then I usually have had in the past. We'll see how it goes. I'm trying to talk myself into a new Multistrada (I have a 2014). 👍
Heavier bikes need a different tire as they typically wear out tires quicker than a light bike would. Good information but it depends on the application of the tire as well. Just got a new rear shinko 705 for my DR650 to be installed in the spring. Wish me luck!
I'm going to second the comments that the Shinko 705 is probably better on smaller bikes. I am riding a BMW G310GS with a 150/70 R17 on the rear. I have ~4000 miles on the front and rear so far with no problems. I would say I've put rough 30% off-road and 70% on-road. The back still has good tread but is flattening due o mostly on road. I have read some people have trouble with them on wet roads. I can't comment because I've avoided riding in the rain. The few times I have been in the rain, I've kept the bike upright, no leaning curves, and the tired have felt solid. I'm hoping to get another 4000 on these before I buy new ones. They have handled the gravel and dirt I travel on. I will likely buy these again. But I am going to check for the issues you mention and will report if I see that.
It happens with my Shinto 705 110 80 R19, about 4k miles, it put me in a few dangerous wabble situation , shaking my handlebars close to collapse me on the ground. It doesn't resist to hot weather conditions / long distance, will be delaminated/deformed.
Es muy interesante que la mayoría de las quejas de los neumáticos shinko sean de EEUU. ¿Será que hay un problema con la fábrica en Texas?, Porque los neumáticos que llegan acá son fabricados en Korea y no he sabido de problemas con ellos. De todas maneras, muchas gracias por su interesante video. Pondré más ojo en los neumáticos de mi moto
@@advmatt It could be true. My rear tire Is 160/60 R17, It Is a verge 2x in my Kawasaki versys 650. i have not problem with them (except in offroad 😅)... Yet.
great suggestion. what tires do u like the most? in sense of durability and grip. i made 8800km with conti trail attack 3, and i got to the core, to soft compound- thanks!
I am have Dunlop Trailmax Tires on my bike right now. I just rolled 5000 miles with life left on them. Good on and offroad. My favorite tire so far. I reviewed it recently.
there was probably a machine somewhere that was out of speck for a day or a week and they made however many of that tire in that size with them. Either way just goes to show that things like that can happen with low budget stuff. It can be assumed that the high end tires would spend the time to insure quality. the kenda trackmasters for my wr250r sometimes would come with a seem that didn't match along the middle of the tire slightly offset. however they still worked great for me.
That could have been the problem. I have seen quite a few others have the same issue with these tires sizes. I think it tire size related. I ran a Shinko E805 for 5k miles with great performance, although now I prefer the top brands.
Did you report this to the Shinko sales/customer service folks? I've used two sets of these on a 2013 Triumph Bonneville and even did a 10,000 km cross Canada trip last Summer. Was very happy in wet/dry and dirt roads. Much lighter bike and not doing proper off-road work, so they are a good choice for me.
I didnt contact customer service. I think there is a problem with tire size 170/60R17. I found others using this size also had the same issue. I liked the tire until it started coming apart.
Must be the size and/or tire pressure. Between myself and several friends, we have 10s of thousands of miles and many replacements of the 704/705. A couple of us have CRF250L 90/90-21 front and 120/80-18 rear, and none of the others have wider tires than that either. What did SHINKO Say/Do for you when you contacted them? Could be a manufacturing run issue all the way to a design issue at that size...
No word from Shinko. I think it is related to the tire size, weight of the bike and tubeless. Many others have also experiences this delamination in this tire size. I think the tubes tires are better.
I’ve run a number of 705’s on an R1200gsa, and they have been great. Often heavily loaded and ran hard, no problems. Saw a few similar reports years back, but nothing recent.
I believe 150/70-17. Maybe that is the issue. Years back there were sporadic posts of similar issues to yours, but they seem to have went away. I could see how you might not try another one, but they are my favorite tire for trips involving long gravel and dirt roads with long stretches of pavement. They clean better than Tourance, and imho they give good feedback. When they do start to slide, it is predictable and controllable. Anyhoo, sorry you had a bad experience with one.
Who rides adv tires for 5500 miles? That's crazy. I get 1500-2000 miles at most out of a rear tire. But my 1290 SA is a buzz saw on tires. Never had any issues with the same size tire in 705, TKC-70, TKC-80 and Kenda 784s and nary a problem, maybe the 1200 GS is a heavy pig.
1200GS is a heavy pig. I have almost 8500 miles in the rear tire of the new Dunlop Trailmax Mission. I saw several other people had the same issue but with less miles on the Shinko 705.
I had one that did the same thing. I have also had two that didn't do that. But yeah the outer part seemed to have seperated from the carcus and developed bubbles.
Depends on what bike you are riding, how loaded it is, the type of riding you do. On the big adventure bikes, like the BMW R1200GS, especially the new ones with the larger tire size this seems to be a common problem. I have seen other riders report the same issue. I really wanted to like this tire, but I cant trust it.
Those bulges are a sign of heat buildup from under-inflation. The 705s thrive on higher pressures. (40 psi +) You can’t treat them like your typical 36 psi radial, especially on a behemoth like a GS. Shinko does a poor job of educating its dealers, and steering the public to its website, where that information is found.
I kept them inflated to 40 to 42 psi. I am obsessive with my tire pressures. No other tire I have used has done this. I am convinced it is a problem with this particular tire size. Many others have experienced the same issue.
I never get more than 3000 miles to a rear where I ride in NC so if I get that much out of a $100 tire I’m good. I’ve got one going on a KTM 1290 SA soon.
@@FrancoisTX1974 I am not sure why a bad bay hbof tires would ever be sold. That doesnt seem safe. I have seen several other riders using the same size of tire having the same issue over a multi year period. I think there is a problem with this tire size.
I dont speed and try not to ride the interstate much. Average speeds on this tire were between 55 to 70 mph. I made sure the tire was at 40 to 42 psi. Keep in mind it was tubeless and the tire size was 170/60r17. I have seen others that had the same issue with this tire in this size.
You are right about the loading. I looked it up and this tire is rated at 72, or 783lbs. It is the same as the Shinko 805 and Continental TKC80. I don't think I overloaded the tire since I ran these others tires the same and the combined weight of everything including bike, gear and me was around 800lbs. But it is a good point.
@@advmatt I disagree: No tire, whatever the price, should disintegrate and put the rider in danger of a blow-out. A lower priced tire may not last as long, or may not perform well in as many situations as an expensive one. However, like a cheap TV, it should not burst into flames in your house. As you say, it may have to do with that specific size, and also, that you are riding it _tubeless_. The majority of the other bikes mentioned in this thread are Japanese brands whose enduros/adventure bikes invariably use tube-type rims. In a tube-type situation it's almost impossible for air to get between layers.
How are you complaining about getting 5500 miles out of that tire? If you run recommended pressures, you are going to get better mileage at a cost of higher core tire temperatures. I always have and always will run lower than what the manufacturer recommends.
I cant trust a tire that delaminates and I actually dont agree with your theory of higher tire pressures create higher core temperatures. Low pressures allow the carcass of the tire to flex more which generates more heat from flexing and rebounding. I have seen other riders also complain about delamination with this tire. I think it is a tire size issue for the bigger heavier bikes. I ran a Shinko 805 nearly as many miles with no issues and that was a knobby tire.
ADV Matt do you think that had something to do with it? I’m getting these tires soon for my CBX. This is the second time I’ve heard of this issue, but the other one was on the front (gs1250). I’m going with radials.
I dont think so. I think it had something to do with tire size. The 170/60r17 is a big tire compared to other dual sport tires. I used a Shinko E805 without any problems in the same size.
I am aware of other riders having the exact same problem with this tire in the same tire size. I think it is a manufacturing issue with this tire size.
5500 miles? I hardly ever get that much out of a rear tire, maybe that's the actual lifespan?? Also a BMW 1250 is a HEAVY bike, if you put that tire on a lighter bike it probably won't happen
