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Just keep driving the overpriced ice vehicles, I am sure petrol companies will love you, I am good with my model 3 though.

@@tonyn3227 7th year EV owner and in that time saved over $30K in fuel and maintenance. The mind boggles why people would pay 10x more to do the same thing as us; Drive

I love my model 3 at price of a corolla

The real nightmare is having to waste your time and money going to gas stations, and doing engine maintenance.

EV fear sounds a lot like Unleaded, safety & pollution-controlled fear of the 1970s. I have gotten Residential Solar and getting a lower price new EV soon. Just run your ICE vehicle, in your garage, for 3 minutes every day. It’ll give you a vague sense of what you do on those 3hour drives (that so many claim are common & critical to happiness)

Would you leave an EV overnight in Winter? 🤔

Same here. I live in an apartment, at-home charging and heated garage to prevent the battery from freezing or emptying itself trying to not freeze when it can be -15C or worse for a week at a time where I live is highly unappealing no matter how much better pure-BEVs get. I'd be far more interested in a 40kWh Na-ion battery pack (manufacturers are aiming for a -40C to +70C operating temperature range for automotive cells) backed by a 15kW range-extending generator of some sort for road trips, winter heat and not having to worry about sparse 50kW "fast-charging" infrastructure.

@@leegorman8322 No not for cold climates.

You must have an enormous bladder or not need to eat or sleep? Mot EVs are coming out with 400+ mile range which is equivalent to 6 hours of driving. Most EV take 20-45 minutes to charge to 80% which give you time to go toilet, grab food, sight seeing etc.. while the EV charges. If you have children it helps with their restlessness to stop every 4-5 hours. So this argument about waiting for the EV to charge is pointless in this day in age.

@@spaceman7915 I neither drink or eat while driving. I can get a 15k$ Hyundai with a 600+km range on a single tank, which 15k$ EV does 600km on a single charge through snow and ice at -20C?

I call bullshit! What uniformed people think!

At the same time Toyota makes some hydrogene vehicles in California.... interesting technology....

And just bought a new toyota and traded in my ford

Problem is Toyota replaced their CEO earlier this year because he didn’t believe EVs were the future. Oooppss

If you must buy an EV (not me), you MUST lease it. Changing technologies make EV's the worst segment of cars for resale, so you need to protect yourself on the value destruction issue since most 3-year-old ones are worth less than half their original price.

What “hours of charging”. At least educate yourself on the topic before making ignorant comments…for that ride your looking at 20ish mins of charging each way

@@awashkowitz7156 "The Model Y and most versions of the Model 3 get 44 miles per hour. A full charge will take about eight to 10 hours, depending on the Tesla vehicle." Jul 6, 2023

I lived in a townhome and the hoa went from what was supposed to be $200 per month for HOA fees monthly to $370 in one year for new roofs + an $8 credit card fee If you live in a condo or townhome EVs are the least of your worries get a real house. I sold mine and somehow made $12k on it by the way

@@Kylewraps New homes are mostly HOA's so you've got to be careful.

@@islanddon865 yes but multi family homes like the one I have is only $250 per YEAR instead of the townhome i had that was $378 per MONTH only benefit was my water was included and repairs but it didn’t need repairs

I just had to spend $90 to replace the battery in a 3 year old iPhone. I can’t imagine changing out the battery in an EV every three years. Gas isn’t that expensive.

​@@user-tb7rn1il3qTesla warrantys the bat for 8y 100k miles. Odds of a Model 3 needing a battery replacement in the first 10y is 0.3%. Look it up.

About $8k to replace rav4 prime battery and about $15k to replace tesla. If out of warranty. 😂 $2500 for a rav4 hybrid battery. 😊

The types of fires they create when burning is also a safety concern. I love technology, but I will keep getting ICE cars until EV’s become better on every level. That is probably 10 - 15 years out.

@@maxwellhouse750 They will probably have some sort of solid state battery by then. ICE will probably be on its way out and Lithium BEVs will have close to zero value on the used market.

Yup, and many aren't planning to install charging stations anytime soon, and even if they have some sort of plan for the next 2-5 years it looks underfunded and limited already from what I have seen in my area. I won't be buying an EV unless this is solidly resolved.

If you live in an apartment for more than a year or two to get a feel for your area you’re wasting your money and you should prioritize getting a house then an EV

@@Kylewrapswhat makes you think everyone wants and can afford and can maintain a house?

@@magsteel9891 well for example my mortgage on the house I bought in 2017 was $850 a month I bet you pay $1,000+ for an apartment Granted interest rates are 2x as much as 2017 but I don’t see why more people grind for a down payment then buy a house with 20% down Instead so many people have apartments for 5+ years sometimes even a decade or more and it’s foolish to me save for a down payment and buy a house It’s cheaper in the long run + you can rent out spare rooms

Maybe an electric bus?

Which version? The PHEV or the hybrid?

@@someguy2135 Either one will do, depending upon inventory and those stupid dealer markups. Don't pay over MSRP, just walk away or go through the CarPro Show and pick a certified CarPro Show approved dealership to negotiate with for your vehicle. They don't call them stealerships for nothing! LOL

absolutely. can't wait for my phev rav 4 to arrive next year... seems like a godlike car unless u have money for BMW X5 phev or smth... but for ordinary people - nothing canbeat the rav 4 phev in terms of looks, milage, frugality of fuel and tech

@@senioy Except for the Grand Highlander. LOL

Both are very good but, the hybrid is more affordable and will provide a lot of what people want. @@someguy2135

The 2025 Ram Charger (marketed as an EV) is going to be the best Plug in Hybrid on the market

I went to test drive Lexus hybrid. It wouldn't even start due to e look electrical issue with the hybrid system. I then went out and bought a kia ev and I couldn't be more happier.

​​@@nismo4321lol,nice try. This is from the show "things that never happened"? So you went to buy a Lexus, which is a premium luxury car and then decided that's trash and went to buy a freaking kia, ok, cool story kia salesman.

​@@crimsonlightbinderLexus are overrated and the hybrid system is flawed. You barely get half a mile on electric when the engine kicks in and don't get me started on the horrible cvt gearbox. Yuk.

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Does that include hybrids? I think PHEV's are the way to go, as long as you are able to plug them in at home.

@@someguy2135 they are only the way to go because governments have an agenda of pushing us out of what works, pushing us out of what we want. THIS is not the kind of government that can be called anything but tyrannical.

Rule? R u a boomer lol

@@stonkytong it might be easier to type if you didn't wear those awful, long fingernails.

You mean plug in hybrid?

What's a BEV?

@@SuperLittleTyke. Battery Electric Vehicle…….had to look it up.😬

The sequence should be HEV, PHEV, BEV. Each forces, in order, battery technology and then, BEV infrastructure while allowing for petrol infrastructure to economically continue through end of useful life while battery technology infrastructure and manufacturing time to evolve to being economically viable. It took decades for carbon based fueling to evolve to where it is now. Battery tech will take equally as long to mature to being practical and it’s still not entirely clear it even will.

Exactly what I did. Bought an ES300h Lexus Ultra Luxury with additional options. And oh, I paid less than MSRP in April. It all depends on how "lucky" you are and how you can negotiate. If I want, once Toyota/Lexus comes out with that "solid state" battery or adopts the BYD Blade battery technology in the future, I might buy an EV for tooling around town and further depending upon the charging infrastructure and I mean the TSLA superchargers.

Yes ! I hope auto companies that did face SEVERE financial consequences for doing so. They completely colluded with governments to try to force EV's on us and must be taught a lesson.

@@jasonroberts9357 Politicians also need to be accounted for their stupid games.

@@JanKowalski-vj9py No doubt sister. It would just be nice if there was a company with leadership that was brave enough to push back against woke D.E.I./"Climate Change nonsense. Unfortunately NWO pressure is too much for most people who just want to make money and live peacefully.

Not for me. I charge for free at home while I sleep and have almost no maintenance to deal with.

​@@That-Guy_that's fine and all but how are these people who are stacked on top of each other in apartments supposed to charge at home? What happens in five to six years when you have to replace the battery for what half the car cost? Yes you may have no maintenance now but it is coming and it will be way more expensive than it ever cost to fix a gas car. I know a guy who just had to have his Tesla battery replaced at around 100,000 out of warranty.

​@Tiger-fv3nl that is a myth. Tesla batteries last 10 to 20 years. Even horrible leaf batteries are still around 10 years later

@@Tiger-fv3nl If you live in an apartment then you will probably need to go to a supercharger for 15 minutes every few days or just wait to get an EV. My Model 3 has an 8 year/100k mile warranty and my wife's Model Y has an 8 year/120k mile warranty. So I am not worried but the replacement battery cost would be $9k to $11k not half the cost of the car. Given my car saves me over $3k/ year in fuel and maintenance I will still end up better off even if I do have to replace the battery. The typical NMC battery is good for 300k miles (Model Y ) and the LFP batteries should get 500k miles (Model 3 rwd)

Lol no they are not. At all. Nothing dangerous at all. And easier to keep in every way.

They will be a liability for sure.

2nd hand EV's have as much resale potential as a second hand PC because that's what they are.

How much worse is the depreciation versus ICE? Thought ICE lost a lot over five years as well. How much faster is the depreciation on EVs?

@@Valoricthey don’t have a clue what they are talking about

There are videos showing this depreciation curve of Tesla Model Y Vs something like RAV4, not as dramatic as you might think. Though may depend on which EV you are comparing.

Punish the EV-tards for misleading the US auto industry! Trillion TAX dollars down the chute wasted

The first Hybrid Prius came out 25 years ago in 1997. How much longer do we need to wait for this transition?

@@rubinixcube8866 transitions don't occur just because a segment of the population wants them to. Things have to make practical, economic sense. The high cost of EVs are a very serious impediment to many families. Most people live on moderate incomes that don't allow idealistic spending. Lack of infrastructure improvements are also making the broad implementation of EVs impractical for the common man.

@@kpd3308 you could say the same thing about hybrids. And I’m sure the same was said about most new things that initially cost more upfront (ie. iPhones/phones used to be pretty expensive). With enough adoption, eventually things can become lower priced either due to production or material costs being lowered. At one point, those batteries cost a lot more, and now they’re significantly lower.

I don't think anyone is 'cramming" it down anyone throat. Hybrids had a similar push when cash for clunkers was a thing. The only difference now is we have media outlets (in particular Social Media/ RU-vid) always talking about it. You don't NEED to buy a car, you don't NEED to stop driving your current car, your current car is still serviceable. The combustion market isn't going anywhere..

The only effect of EV utopia: make consumers not able to afford now cars while make a few persons dirt rich, with TAX dollars.

Duh.

@@irvinewayne4086 No one is willing to make cheap BEVs. Would be better for them to tell openly this is impossible because there are still many idiots believing BEV will cost the same as an bike.

So when did that happen to you?

@@chrisnewman7281 It didn't. I'm talking about other people's experiences that were proven to be true.

And they never will be.

@@Ricky-mo6mvYes they will, and soon.

I have a Lexus UX250H for almost 5 years. Zero issues, my average consumption is 6.2 L/100km (but below 4.5L/100km in the city) despite mostly spirited driving (another car is a Miata ND2). The battery gets checked yearly and it is still in great shape. Amazing car 😉

It is unlikely because power generation capabilities (not to mention distribution network) is far more difficult to expand.

Punish the EV-tards for misleading the US auto industry!

The truth is it's still too early to look for options. Why should we punish ourselves while millions of other people are still thoroughly enjoying the fun of gasoline powered racing cars, off-road/all terrain vehicles, demolition derby and monster trucks etc? There is no compelling reason at all to rush and get am EV or a hybrid vehicle now. Eventually one day (at least 10 years from now) when gasoline engines are banned EV's will have to be adopted regardless of how inconvenient they may be. But to keep a hybrid car during the transition is absolutely unnecessary besides the concept of having two different systems that can go wrong under one bonnet is quite silly. Nobody wants a hybrid watch that a mechanical movement would charge a battery after a few hours running period and then a battery would kick in and take over! Imagine the money that will be wasted to maintain and service that complex watch. Wouldn't it be wiser to buy a pure automatic watch or a pure quartz watch in the first place?

Too many problems to go wrong with hybrids its better with just ev

Totally agree. I have a Lexus hybrid and I love it

I disagree. I've had ev for 3 years now and love it. Lexus and Toyota are just boring uneconomical junk. Sure they are reliable but extremely dull to drive.

Well said. If it happens before 2050 I will be surprised.

It can't happen. Plus they are a fire hazard.

If the prices weren't so high and there were plenty of places to charge them,maybe it wouldn't be so bad. I personally have never even 𝘴𝘦𝘦𝘯 a charging station. I mean hell......people have enough as it is on their minds just trying to make it from day to day....who wants to add "range anxiety" to the mix? So on top of everything else,now I gotta worry about having enough "charge" to make it places? What if I wake up,late for work....and I don't have enough power to make it to work? Or I'm out in the middle of nowhere,and don't have enough "charge" to make it to the charging station? Or do make it there,but the charger doesn't work.....or there are 5 people in line ahead of me......? I heard you can't even park the thing inside of your garage......you have to park it 15 feet away from the house in case it catches on fire. I don't wanna deal with that sh1t.

Bring a diesel generator with you to charge your ev. Problem solve LOL….

Nah, I'd rather have an EV, but I don't buy new or luxury cars. I'll never buy an ICE vehicle again, but I'm waiting for more affordable EVs (new or used). I'd wager that there are more people like me than people who have already bought an EV. Only the richest and most zealous jumped in first, and Teslas have only gotten cheaper as the economy has gotten terrible (pushing bottom 80%'ers out of the market for now, which is why Tesla had to cut prices so much).

I concur with the former, but disagree with the latter. You can charge the EV in the garage.

Sure. Your making 100% range with ICE so no problem at all.

"our solar 2.5 hours" - can you elaborate on this a bit more? what charging device?

@@MagicNash89 Hello,we have a JuiceBox level 2 charger that charges the Rav4 Prime’s battery in about 2 hours and 30 min and that gives us about 70-80 EV kms. The power our 10.8 kw solar array produces charges the battery so we don’t have to buy expensive power. What’s nice is the vehicle has a ICE so we don’t have any range anxiety and it’s like having a gas station in our garage. We’re very happy with our RAV4 Prime and it was worth the almost 2 year wait.😊

Insurance statistics show Hybrids are the greatest fire risk followed by Petrol and Diesel next and then EVs. The media has hyped up EV fires because they are more problematic to deal with, but so are filling station, road tanker, storage depot, refinery, and sea tanker fires!

@@marquisdemoo1792 And atom bombs.

Similar with my 2019 Niro PHEV. But it only made economic sense because of the Fed Tax credit. We drive our "city" car about 6,000/ year. If I bought a new vehicle today, a PHEV at current prices and no economic incentives would not make economic sense until about 48,000 (8 yrs) miles but an HEV would after about 3-4 years.

So your the one.....

Thats odd given most engineers agree its very possible, even with our current grid. Besides in states like CA that are falling apart at every level.

it is, but only the upper ,5-10% would have personal transportation

@silvy7394 As a former electrical engineer for Ford and now in defense, engineers says what brings us the money. Lithium phosphate battery technology has been saturated, yet we promise miracles. War is never good for Humanity, yet we manage to sell it. As long as you all keep buying the wolf tickets

@@thatrandomproject6652 Ah, so as a former electrical engineer you can see we hardly need any grid improvements, outside of the rate the grid has been improving over the last 20 years, then?

Nuclear Power Plants will ring the bell.

Local communists won't allow You to charge Your car at all. They are less and less interested in CO2 but more and more in control via controlling energy supply.

You could look into a plug in hybrid! Some still have tax credits and you don't have to worry about range. I got my ford escape phev in 2022 and got close to a $7k tax credit.

I have a Chevy Bolt but I’d love to have a 50+ mile Chevy Volt, if it was still being made.

Then get a PHEV!

Hybrids by default don't have big batteries. There are some poorly invented PHEV's that load their batteries with car's engine leading to catastrophic MPG.

Not in the US. Only 19% of electricity is from coal now.

What's a PHEV?

​@@SuperLittleTykePlug-in hybrid electric vehicle.

I would point out, if you look at the data you will see that Hybrids are more likely to catch fire than any other form of motor

PHEV. I don't think there is any argument there unless u don't plan to ever leave ur city

How about keep buying gas powered cars. Ev's are junk.

Yes! In your case perfect. But you are an exception to the exception.

Don’t want our government controlling us.

Only way to get rid of EVs is letting manufacturers go bankrupt.

Once we find that that Climate change and fossil fuels are fake, back to Hemis.

Clarion footprint is nonsense. Fake lies by government and media.

How much sense a PHEV makes (at least in terms of cost to own and operate) depends on price of car, price of fuel in your home area (both electricity & gas) and how many miles you drive annually. In general if you are not racking up > 10,000 miles / year, the payback period for a PHEV is longer than most people keep their cars. By the way, I have a Niro PHEV but the US tax credit brought the cost down to that of an HEV so it made sense for me. YMMV.

Toyota does push for a subscription through an APP on your phone. My brother just bought a RAV 4 but opted out of paying anything extra. He said the novelty of unlocking or starting his car from his phone is not important to him.

Yeah I have a 2023 Highlander hybrid and I love it. I have the subscription for free for 5 years because of one of the warranties I purchased but when it’s done, I don’t plan on paying for it. I’m hoping automakers will think twice about doing this to everyone.

I drive a 2 liter turbo diesel and get a steady 45 MPG mixed driving. Why carry a heavy battery around?

@kokehri less wear and tear on the engine for the hybrid. Plus diesel cost so much more than gasoline.

A diesel engine lives magnitudes longer than an electrical battery.

@kokehri well you enjoy your ride and I'll enjoy mine.

A lot of companies don’t want charging stations on their property, plus a good portion of them share parking lots with other companies or general public parking, so charging stations don’t work. A local Mazda dealership here has a chargers station, but it’s in front of a regular parking spot with no indication that it’s for an EV, so anyone can park in front of it. From what I have seen, other companies are doing the same thing. IKEA has been the only place that has dedicated parking spots for EVs.

Not to mention Biden is not our President…

My friend bought the Prime, but waited over 1 year for delivery. Other than plugging it in every day he loves it. His daily commute totals 44 miles round trip so he rarely uses any gas. He said his electricity bill has increased quite a bit but it's still cheaper than gas.

do you know that most things are made in china? if not complete items then parts to assemble them. good luck

I agree. I guess I wanted to point out where the problem really is. Going EV is a drop in the bucket as far as the pollution. It will never happen. It's just media hype.@@dovidasl4368

Could be why China is building coal fired generating plants at an unprecedented rate as carbon emissions are not a concern to them. The rest of the woke western world doesn't have the generating capacity to run EV's unless we go nuclear or flood more valleys for hydro generation.

I've heard (can't verify) that China is building 2 coal fire electric generating plants a week. If try that helps to explain how they can support EVs. Meanwhile it is nearly impossible to create more electricity generation in the US unless it is unreliable wind power.

You should watch motormouth they just went to Japan and Toyota is investing in ev never of a Pruis 😮

Goggle says EV sales are up 7%