Should Field of the Dead Be Banned in MTG Historic? | MTG Gameplay | Much Abrew 

imagine getting queued up against the SaffronOlive and you think "ooh wonder what jank he's playing today" and it's the same deck youve faced every other game of the day.....

Watching Seth continuously misplay horrifically and still win is probably the best case for a Field ban.

It's like a reverse against the odds. "Can we lose today with this busted deck ?" xD

"Do we even need Ugin?" And that friends is your metric for if a card is bannable or not.

You were the Chosen One! It was said that you would destroy field of the dead, not join them. bring balance to the meta, not leave it in darkness.

You lived long enough to see yourself become the enemy

Seth this was great. Could we get a permanent series called go to the dark side where you playthe most busted decks in a format?? Please.

It’s almost like wotc never learned that field of the dead, like valakut, should be legendary.

It's nice to watch Seth play meta decks once in a while. Brings some perspective that just because he likes to plays "janky" decks doesn't mean he doesn't understand how to play the meta decks. Reminds me of when commentators complimented Seth on his plays when he was in Modern Super League with and against other pros. The man plays enough "jank" that that's all the practice he needs.

Clearly Historic just needs blood moon.

I love how you did this video and IMMEDIATELY the next morning Historic banned field of the dead. You broke the game, Seth :-P

Next thing you know, we'll be playing Tron in Modern.... Just for science.

As someone who plays aggro, an archetype notoriously good against slow controlling decks, I can tell you this deck beats me a pretty large portion of the time. I need to draw incredible well and they need to not draw hour of promise or uro for me to have a shot.

I would say blood sun but considering the speed of the deck, whilst you're mopping up outstanding zombies, Ugin comes down

Field of the dead is a card that looks safe when you first see it, seven or more other lands is a lot to ask but then once it gets into real formats and is tested you see it is broken. That isn't really anyone's fault, the issue is when pride makes you not ban it.

When you stream a Dark Side deck, make sure you have a big hood over your face to become Dark Seth.

I like how every defense of Field of the Dead I see on reddit starts with something like "it is not completely impossible to beat" Wow, I'm convinced

Should Field of the Dead be banned from Historic? Short answer: Yes. Long answer: Yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss.

Opponent keeps one lander, does not thoughtseizes the removal spell to protect his mana dork. WHY???

New series: should this be banned? Goblins next!

Would this deck survive against aggro without Uro gaining 8000 life over the course of the game?

I don't know what's the problem, match 5 clearly ilustrates that you can beat field of the dead /s

When fotd was in standard I was playing grixis control, the combo of unmoored ego, flame sweep, and big Chandra was actually pretty solid. vs FotD....but Uro didn't exist and thoughtseize wasn't legal

@9:18 What is the arena UI doing? Are people just OK with this?

This is like playing the booster box game but with a deck.

If you're already playing Sultai, play some Yarok to double the field triggers!

Field of the dead so good that even the mirror matches cant beat it

At 20:45 seth missed an opportunity to cast Explore. Could have explored, tapping temur triome and field, putting Forest in to play, then cast Languish off Hollow/Catacombs/Island/Forest. Think theres a 0% chance it mattered though.

Fell asleep watching this; watched the end to catch up; turned on Arena during the wrap-up; found out the SaffronOlive effect has a whole new meaning.

Everyone's pointing at Field of the Dead but honestly, Uro's doing much more work here.

I got to Mythic with this deck. I'm not that good a magic player. It should probs be banned.

Yes, emphatically. You know there's a problem when your opponent dumps their whole hand onto the field in a single turn, you draw Ugin, and decide you don't even need him.

in match four, couldn't you arch in your upkeep to hold onto the field of the deads you had to discard? no draw for turn because of narset after but get to keep the good cards.

I wonder if ashiok would be a viable countermeasure for esper doom, or if it's just not enough.

I love that he actually played what’s generally considered the best deck in a format. He makes good enough janky decks to do well so it was sweet to see him play a top tier deck in contrast. Field will be banned. I like lands decks but it’s just too easy to abuse

Came here after the ban announcement. Ding dong the field is dead!

Best zombie tribal deck in any format. With zero actual zombie cards.

There will be a B&R today for historic only (announced on Twitter 3 days ago). I guess we know what is going away...

Hey Seth, what do you think would happen if they decide to give Field the "Companion treatment" and change the triggered ability to paying 1 generic mana to create the Zombie token? I would never have considered an errata possible until they kinda did it for Companion (the mechanic, not the actual cards).

I like how Seth just casually threw out darksiding as if he has idea what the darkside is!

What we need is a Torpor Orb effect for non-creature permanents.

Would love an alternate art for Field of the Dead, featuring the Eternals striding across the deserts of Amonket.

Arena should let you have massacre wurm as a companion when against field of the dead except its colorless

2:37 "Field of the Dead IS the Zombie Text." (Thanks for the content. I'm pro Field.)

Why isn't casualties of war in the maindeck? It might be "bad" in the mono red matchup but you can still hit anax + creature + land.

A counter argument to the hour of promise like being reprinted: What are the chances they will print a similar card anytime soon? I would say very low. And what are the chances them introducing more land hate to the format? I would say very high.

Honestly! If you added anything that abused those Zombies entering the battlefield so often, it would rock. (Ayara, Corpse knight).

imagine being so incompetent that you ban a card in standard, then put it back into standard but with like 10 old cards, ban it again, un-ban it again, and you're still sitting around wondering why people complain about it

seth when opp draws a 4-of that's part of their main gameplan: WOW OPPONENT IS DRAWING GREAT HERE. seth when he topdecks one of his two-of sb casualties of war: "well, there's casualties finally"

Back post feild historic ban, literally hours after this video. Convinced wizards watched goldfish for suggestions

Next you are going to tell me Seth also known as Saffron Olive is going to play Tron in Modern to play it to see how it feels to be a Tron player?

"Do they have the Shark Typhoon?" Literally has thoughtseize in hand.

That snap-keep on the 6-lander w/Uro lol

Hey Seth, I've had some really good luck against Field of the Dead with a Mono White Gain Life Enchantment deck! I think I've lost to Field once maybe with it lol. I do agree the card is stupid strong, but not unbeatable. Great games, love the content man!

The biggest problem is that this deck is utilizing two broken cards that synergies incredibly well with each other (Uro and Field of the Dead). The fact that the deck is more or less a ramp deck that doesn't need high end cards like Ugin, Ulamog or Krasis to function, is also a problem.

I think a basic strategic guideline should be that you don't play land destruction against a ramp deck.

Pro tip for x spells like krasis: double tap q to tap all your lands and you can more quickly count your mana

As I am watching this I open Arena on my other screen and the first thing that pops up is Field off the dead banned in Historic. Well done Seth LOL

Just saw a post from Goldfish about it being officially banned :D Seth are you a prophet by any chance or an actual wizard?

Golos was serviceable (and really good) as a way to fetch field before hour of promise

Is it good enough for Pioneer or Modern?

The classic problem with ramp was getting too many lands and no value or just the bombs without enought ramp, with Uro you have the ramp and the value on the same card, in a way the same is true with Field of the Dead. I do think there is a way to print cards that are good for ramp and have a backup plan, but without a drawback the card is doomed to be banned eventually. I do have the good memories of, during the first weeks the Field of the Dead was legal in standard, putting toghether a deck for my GF with gates and Fields and crushing people at FNM with 22 zombies with what was considered a bulk-budget deck. Paid less than a dollar per Field and less than a dolar per Golos. Then people started putting Fields on Teferi decks and we all know what happend. (I'm not saying thet the card was not broken, what I'm saying is that it was really fun on budget builds)

If they dropped price of progress or something similar in the next anthology I would be so down for it remaining legal but without some huge punisher for ramping I just don't think it can stay.

I play actual Ponza (Mono-Red or Jund) and against Sultai Field it feels like an even Match-up where neither side has a clear adventage

What will happen when a land/landfall set hits Arena?

Field of the Dead might be pretty much unbeatable right now, but remember that Historic is a catch-all format like Modern or Legacy. More and more cards will be added that will eventually raise the power level to somewhere similar to Modern. Winning on turn 5 in modern is common, and is sometimes slow in Legacy. If Field is banned now, it will only smooth out Historic's transition to that power level. Modern and Legacy both had similar growing pains but eventually reached a point where they leveled out at a similar power to Field of the Dead. One of the reasons Field of the Dead is so powerful this early in the format is that it relies on card archetypes that are often printed in core sets. Ramp, tutors, and lands with different names are all things we see just about every core set. Other deck archetypes gain *significant* power with the release of more unique cards, especially combo decks. Just checked, they banned it. I guess I'll see you all in a year or two when the community is saying "well Field of the Dead kinda looks average now".

What about alpine moon shouldn't that stop field?

I primarily play Mono-U Tempo and Field can go; it probably will. I can win the matchup if I play a super tight game, but it's still pretty hard once they get triggers going.

I have been beating FotD with Soul Sisters but only because I have four Thalia in the maindeck and 3 Vryn Wingmare in the side. You need to be faster and taxing them, that's the only way. Can't wait to see it gone

How sweet would it be if the next set reprints price of progress?

we need the "exile target nonbasic land and all lands with the same name" card in historic

I have taken to running Trespasser's Curse in my black decks due to the prominence of this deck and goblins, although it is mostly this deck i see these days.

This video aged well.

The only cards I've found useful against Field decks is Ashiok, Dream Render and Virulent Plague. And that is ONLY if you can get it down before Hour of Promise. Then you have to protect your hate cards from Casualties of War etc.

I somehow keep playing decks which aren't super competitve (Stuck around Plat 3-2) but fuck with the meta accidentally. I just build decks that I'll think will be fun with no attention to meta, but my elf deck was great against 3 mana teferi, as it just became a 3 mana bounce spell likely killed soon after ((I also played 0 instants). Now I've build a U/W flyers deck which seems to be beating Field decks pretty consistantly, one of my best match-ups actually. It's the mono red and Rakdos sacrifice decks I hate when playing that.

You should make this into a series called "Evil Seth" where you play overpowered strategies, then drop your opinion on them just like you did here.

I keep seeing videos by various content creators with titles along the lines of "should field of the dead be banned?" and every time I check one out, I half expect the video to be three seconds long, with the creator saying, "Yes."

Seth I'm from 2 years in the future. Safe to say you were pretty right about this one. :)

Why not add the end the turn spell from m21

Now we need to add scout mob

Seth: "There's like 50 lands in this deck Seth 1 second later: We got 31 lands all together

What happen to shapeshift? With field

While I do agree that aggro isn't a solution against Field decks, boy, those aggro decks you faced were pretty slow... the decks I face in the T2 ladder have 3 cratures turn-2 and a damage amplifier turn 3 to kill me turn 4...

I have had some success with simic flash against field of the dead

"field of the Daddying" 1:52

I don't know about this one, you also said that Jace and SFM would be too good in Modern.

I think there are a lot of ways to tone down field, as I always kinda hate it when a deck ends up banned and it *seems* like it could possibly be balanced/hated out. 1: Uro: I think that of the many possible problematic cards, Uro is one of the worst (as seen in pioneer). It continuing to draw cards against midrange and control while gaining life against aggro means it is almost always an impossible problem when you have to deal with everything else this deck does. (I say this with my current favorite deck being a rainbow CoCo deck trying to cheat out uros and kroxas with hushbringer). 2: Magus of the Moon/Blood Moon: I kinda want these in the format anyway, as punishing greedy manabases (even if that's all my manabases) is important, and it could be another way to deal with field that still gets wrecked by ugin. Blood Moon is also a cool card for the mono-white prison deck using nine lives and solemnity, as idyllic tutor can fetch it pretty well. plus, magus can be fetched in toolbox decks, and I love those decks. those are just 2 cool ideas.

While I agree it should be banned I beat this deck all the time with Grixis. When you can empty their hand by turn 4 with Kroxa and Thoughtseize and stick a Nicol Bolas Dragon God its pretty much gg. Making them sac a land every turn stops it in its tracks. Stumble once and they recover fast though.

What about banning hour of promise? E: no, I disagree with myself, ban field

You guys don’t see field isn’t the big problem it’s hour of promise pushes FOTD n uro kills the counter play which is Aggro to ramp

Maybe can't be blocked by creatures with creatures with power 2 or less can't block this creature

naw, it's totally fine. definitely. 110%. for real though i got to mythic in like 2 days with this deck, so maybe could you stop please wizards.

I think literally the only option to deal with this deck is playing it and running unmoored egos in the sideboard and just praying that in a mirror they don't get field down first. Ego lets you just completely lock out field if you are fast enough. Like yes, its normally a bad card but against a deck all in on the field of hte dead gameplan it basically is 3 mana win the game

I've been playing mono black aggro with 8 discard spells. It's targets field pretty hard and the matchup is ok. Idk if I'm a favorite. Game 1 is good but postboard, I feel like I need to get lucky to win. Field is dumb. I don't think mono red is the best aggro deck btw. Mono Blue and Mono Black have seemed stronger.

I think the sane solution is restrict it or errata it to legendary

My sideboard tech is 4 of polluter in the board. That's why I dont want it banned. Cause it's hilarious, I'm not even playing zombies

oh god, yes plz. I play 4 virulent plagues and 1 blood sun in my Grixis sideboard and still get my ass handed to my from time to time. They side vraska and cast casualties of war on turn 3 basically yea :D

If field of the dead gets banned, I think embercleave should join it

I want seth to play this with white instead of black to play anointed procession and the blue mythos to make token copies of field of the dead and just go super insane with zombies

Couple thoughts. What if field was legendary? Would that open up broken combo’s? Also, I think Uro is the real problem it just gains to much life against agro and gives too much time.