Who wants 35’s? Absolutely nobody who buys this is going to run anything less than 37’s. Why force people to buy 35’s from the factory when 33’s likely have the best cost to resale factor?
This one has me confused. It has a V8 and who doesn't like a V8, but that said, I've never wanted a spec'ed out Wrangler. I prefer the lower trim model with less electronics. A V8 in a base model would be great, because from there I could build my perfect Jeep and probably for a lot less than 75k.
So many internet experts say they can build something cheaper then what is being produced......if so, then please do it! If it could be done cheaper, it would already be happening. Like it was stated in the video.....people have done engine swaps and the end cost is VASTLY more expensive then this V8 Jeep is from the factory.
This option should have been available all along. A Power wagon is a lot more vehicle, and less money than this. I love this Jeep, but the price of the whole line up is silly.
@@marvinheadrick3511 not true on the only advantage being break over angle. I’ve owned JKU Rubicon’s and a Power Wagon. The JKU is much more nimble and easier to maneuver on the trail than the PW is. The PW has the traction but is just too big for tight trails and switchbacks. Definitely limits it in that regard.
Nice look at the 392 Tommy! You raised an important issue about the range of this model. With a standard sized 21 gallon fuel tank and 13 mpg combined, likely lower when rock crawling, that will require some added fuel in jerry cans for a serious offroad trek.
i think it actually averages 18 MPH city, not on paper but with most people ive seen who have it. im sure that changes alot though when you start using your right foot more.
Its actual off-road fuel economy might not be all that bad compared to other vehicles. It really depends on what you're doing. For low-speed trail crawls, it may have little difference to other vehicles if you're crawling over rocks in low-range. The extra torque from the engine would mean less throttle in certain cases, too, and could effectively get the same economy. Now the people that think the only way to clear obstacles is to shove your foot through the floorboards? They'll reach the bottom of a tank pretty quickly. :D
@Landon It’d be a nice option but do you think they’re going to try and rework a 5.7 after all the trouble they went through to make this fit and meet crash test standards? I don’t.
While it is perfect, as a Gladiator Rubicon owner I hope Jeep goes with a more practical approach that more of us can afford. A 5.7 as a $2500-3000 option would make way more owners happy. V8 power is the absolute only way I’ll ever part with my Gladiator.
You're right abour Stellantis, dont like what they did with opel and i don't see them sticking a v8 into a jeep.... we'll be lucky if the next wrangler isn't a FWD three cylinder turbocharged mouse running on a wheel....
can i throw in a video editing suggestion? not trying to be a a-hole, but i run into the same thing when using gopros... run a low cut on the audio and drop some of that gopro hum off for those of us with small subs hooked up to our computers. it over powers the video lol!! I have to do this to every one of mine i put out.... awesome as usual guys!!! thanks!
I bought a 2023 392 Rubicon with XR package (factory 35" tires and 4.56 gears, beadlock capable wheels, just change rings) because I always said if Jeep would just build a Wrangler with a factory V8...I'd buy one. And am I so glad I did. So incredibly smooth for a Jeep. I have a 2003 LJ Rubicon I sent to Burnsville Off-Road back in 2006 to install a 6.1 Hemi, Dynatrac Pro-Rock 60's, Genright coil-over suspension...great off-road, marginal on-road.. Great idea, at the time and have never regretted it. However there is no comparison to this factory designed vehicle. The 392's ride and drivability are top notch and performance is unmatched from power to braking. XR version will fit 37" tires with little to no modifications. Aftermarket works ok most of the time, but it is always a compromise, even if done by the best off-road shops. You are correct, 2023 is the last year for factory V8's in any Jeep. Next will be the twin turbo 3.0 liter I-6 Hurricane engine, at 500hp+....but torque is the issue...and of course that V8 sound, I'll take any day. In fact Jeep has already discontinued the availability of the XR package (what a shame). Only available for a few months for 2023 year model. Many guys that ordered XR package, and most did, had to change their orders, after months of waiting and being told their order was good... just to get their Jeeps to start moving in the build process. There are so many things built into this 392, like: down hill descent cruise control, slow speed off-road cruise control, paddle shifters for the 8 spd transmission, adaptive cruise control, blind spot monitors, frontal collision avoidance, over-steer & under-steel correction, electronic braking control to keep vehicle straight in emergency on-road situations (like Mercedes or BMW). So yes, it checks so many boxes and is still a top off-road capable vehicle. However, get ready to pay for all of this. A 2023 is selling for full sticker price (average is bumping $90k) if ordered, and usually are marked up $8k -$10k over MSRP if dealer happens to have one that a customer cancelled. Dealers call it "adjusted for market" lol...And they don't last for very long on the showroom floor. Don't believe me, try to find one. Up side is, for those that don't heavy modify their Wrangler Rubicon 392, they will hold their value if not appreciate in value over time. Never to be made again.
I only get 14mpg in my current wrangler. So it would be an improvement for me. I could put my winch on, swap my current wheels and tires and I'd be set
Meh, I'm sure it will still sell out everywhere and I don't think fuel mileage factors into any perspective Jeep owner's purchase or any 70k+ vehicle purchase for that matter.
@@sugonmaballs The only problem is that range will be rather bad. If you're getting 11 mpg and have a 21 gallon tank, that means carrying a lot of rotopax if you're headed into the wilderness, or even if you're driving between locations on paved roads in the Sierras.
@@chir0pter Range is still about the same as the base V6 in real world testing; see TFL's MPG test of this 392 (18 MPG average I think). So not really any more of an issue than before.
What FCA/Stalantis or whatever they are always get wrong is making their top engine only available in the highest trim. They seem to see Jeep and Ram as their premium brands. This is how Ford stays on top. Andre’s F-150 has the most powerful setup Ford offers in the lowest trim level. The Bronco will be the same. Just think how many they could sell if the V8 was offered in all trim levels.
I love how dodge, ram, jeep are all going the opposite way every other car manufacturer is going with their power plants. Pretty soon government mandated EV and hybrids will be here. Jeep is going out with a bang! It reminds me of when the fast food health craze kicked in and they all started serving salads etc but Hardee’s was advertising new hamburgers with like 5 patties and xxxl fries. 😂
@@justiceknight6877 kind of late to the game but what they aren’t late to is having 700+ HP engines that can burn a whole tank of gas at WOT in about 20 minutes in multiple platforms across the whole brand.
That’s because Fiat never intended to invest money in Chrysler, only absorb their technology. Not much engineering goes into dropping big engines in vehicles. Notice how they don’t share anything from Ferrari or Maserati with Chrysler. However you will find a rebranded UConnect system in Fiat vehicles now. Once they were used up they were sold off.
If you HAVE the money, go for it! It's a LOT CHEAPER than a BMW M5 series and GOES FASTER AND is fully 4x4 off-road capable! If you are a long distance traveler, the 3 litre EcoDiesel Jeep Rubicon option is a lot cheaper plus if you buy TWO extra 20 gallon Jerry Cans, that is over 1300 miles (2092 km) of driving range which means you can drive from Los Angeles to Maine (3114 miles or 5011 km) completely off-road with only two fill-up stops in-between those end-points! v
I think this is 100% worth $75000 and I fully plan on ordering one. Like you said, this will probably only be produced for a couple of years. With that in mind, the value of these will hold so well it's insane! There is actually a very good chance the value will go up over time with enthusiasts.....
Same here. I just put a Borla exhaust on mine and it actually sounds pretty good too. I don’t see a reason for a giant v8 over the current 3.6/8 speed setup, especially not for $20k. Jeep is smart though, this takes a lot of attention from Bronco.
@@grisa12345 Totally agree! Btw I raced a new Dodge Ram HEMI truck and beat it. The Jeep launches off the line like a beast! I had no idea it was this quick when I bought it Lol
Isn't this what Chrysler has been doing for years? When your competitors are building better vehicles put in a bigger motor that will make buyers forget about the reliability of your brand. Ford and GM always built better pony cars so Chrysler puts a Hemi in the Barracuda and Challenger, same lousy rattle traps but they got a Hemi. Very few will find their way to the dirt drags but you will see plenty at the car shows. Bigger is not always better.
I like that you built up its immense instant power and said it was overkill, then you wade through that bit of water at a very appropriate pace. I had a feeling for a second you’d SEND IT hahaha
Wait the seats aren't powered as standard? On a 75,000$ jeep? Someone needs to tell Jeep they aren't Porsche, no one is going to order this without powered seats. This is a G-wagon competitor through and through. What other reason would they include that crazy exhaust if not to compete with the amg exhaust. Only problem is the interior is no where special enough.
The major thing I used to respect Jeep for was their impeccable bang for buck advantage over the g wagon, but now I can’t say that anymore. For 70k it should have a hell of a lot more than it does. I mean, my moms 32k Honda CR-V has power seats and memory seats for that matter.
@@eman7579 This is where I say I've never seen a comparison article or video between the two, and it still wouldn't matter. Comparing a vehicle that starts at $29,000 to one that starts at $130,000 is moronic. They're competitors in the same sense that a prius and a ferrari are competitors, i.e. they're both cars.
Grand Cherokee is more like the g wagon than the wrangler IMO, more of a luxury vehicle. And let’s be honest, even the Grand Cherokees go offroad more often than the g wagons
Dealers taking orders for 2022--order banks are of course not open as of this date--392's, so 2 model year run at least. Thanks for the great review Tommy 🙌🏻!!
If you've always owned one you're used to all the quirks and you live with them. My first vehicle 30 years ago was a 78 CJ5 I currently have an 09 Wrangler with a manual transmission and no power windows or locks. I chose those to reduce the amount of electrical things that will eventually fail especially when you get caught with the top off a few times. What I need going over the mountains is more power. I know I'm in the minority but if you price a diesel with similar options and add a lift from the dealer you're already pushing 70k. 77 isn't bad in comparison. And diesel is more expensive than unleaded. For me a wrangler is something you love or hate. I've loved most I've owned (other than a 4 cylinder TJ). You just have to be aware of what you're buying. It's a tool to get you places that most can't or don't want to take their vehicle to. I talked a friend out of buying a JL because I knew he wouldn't like owning it after having a BMW and he would never take it off road
@@kirbykime9783 Ok, we all know my 2dr Rubicon is good Offroad so let’s talk about on road. The ride is soft, the interior is quiet with the factory hard top and headliner. It has heated seats and leather steering wheel. The huge touch screen infotainment U-connect is seriously awesome. My wife and I take my Jeep to dinner on the weekends and it’s just really nice and fun to drive. The 3.6 with the eight speed just hauls butt! I guess I just don’t understand when people say they are terrible on road...I think its super nice! BTW my wife’s car is a brand new Acura TLX for comparison...
Most of them will, but for most people when they spend that much money they don’t wanna use it like the extreme offroad community would. I would love that much power in my 24 year old jeep. I would probably break one of those v8 jeeps pretty fast
@@xxtm72xx63 yeah I remember when they were falling apart by the time you made the last payment on it . Now it's nothing to see 12 -15 year old vehicles still going strong .
@@xxtm72xx63 my jeep is one of the really early jk 4 doors, back when every jeep owner said they weren't jeeps lmao, but its about 13 years old and still running, it still has the original 3.8L minivan engine in it, whish I waited a few years until the 3.6L got switched into them.
Everyone should be happy, Jeep & Bronco enthusiasts alike. Competition is good. There will be advantages & disadvantages to both. As a former Jeep owner I’m doing a new Badlands Bronco, heavily modified. 4” lift, exhaust, cold air, and Ford Performance tune. I will get 400 hp in the 2.7, which will be more than enough for me. Won’t need a Jeep 392 or Warthog. And it will have an lot smoother ride than my old cj7, especially in the applications I will be using it.
Pricing is not out of line. I just built a nicely equipped Rubicon that MSRP’d for $66k. Another $12k and your in 392 territory. The 392 wins hands down because of amazing resale value.This Wrangler will most likely be a 3-year run, 2021 to 2023.
Everybody needs to quit thinking everyone earns the same amount. Joe earns $40,000/year and think this is ridiculous and mocks it. Bill earns $250,000/year and thinks... sure.
Price is spot on. Where else can you get an incredible offroader, a convertible, and now the power of a muscle car all in one package. They will sell way more of these than we all expect. For Wrangler fanatics this is the holy grail, and there are way more Wrangler fanatics out there than most realize. Add to that the fact that most expect this to be the end of V-8 gas power, Jeep will be lining their pockets.
Stellantis North America and Stellantis Europe will still differ significantly, they're different market and the management team is not the same. Also, the CEO is Portuguese not french and he's the guy that made Renault build a mid-engine, RWD, ICE sport car ;) At the last shareholder meeting Stellantis has revealed they're projection for "LEV" (both electric and hybrid) sales in 2030 : Europe = 70%, USA = 35% , so still 65% pure ICE for the USA. I think that Stellantis will change things for Europe and for Chrysler, but not so much for Jeep, Dodge and RAM.
Ford Bronco doesn't really have anything to be scared of from this. Yeah the 392 has more power and that's about it. We still haven't seen the very top level trim Bronco the "Warthog" that they are still testing.
Oh lol one more thing with 3.7 at hwy speeds those jeeps tend to wonder due too the straight axle now you shove a v8 in there geez I dunno that is gonna be a bit sketchy stompin on it too pass maybe suspension and handling is better but I doubt that
I totally believe Ford Bronco is a completely new and improved version of a off-roading animal. So no I don’t believe Bronco has anything to worry about
@@philtripe Yes the bronco will be a much better all around vehicle and still a very good off-road vehicle I believe Ford has put a lot of thought into creating a true jeep competitive vehicle and a superior daily driver
I wouldn’t think of the 392 as an “overkill “. I see it as versatility tool. Sure there is no need of much power when off-roading, but if you hit the dunes of Baja, or the asphalt of Route 66, that extra power is going to turn that Jeep into a fire breathing beast that will make your motoring an unforgettable experience, which you cannot say about the electric dildos or the castrated “downsized” toys that pass for cars these days.
Agreed, in most cases you don’t need that much power. But in our case in the Middle East, %90 of my off-roading is in sand dunes, and a V8 is just sooo much better than a V6 in the dunes. It’s sad that soon, we will only have electric cars that are so quiet I can hear my farts in the car lol
I’ll buy one in the next few years. I’m certainly not paying any dealer mark up. Hopefully they at least put a Dana 60 out back. This with the Ultimate Dana 60’s front and rear, with 37’s from the factory would be awesome.
Nothing like being out in the wild away from the hustle and bustle only to hear a noisy vehicle scaring off all animals and making noise. The Jeep used to be a utility vehicle with a specific task assigned. The big engine is a good idea. A big engine could be great for pulling a heavy trailer for your tools to fix the vehicle when you break down 500 miles from a repair center. The electronics on this vehicle is expensive to repair so you may have to carry a scanning device when out in the field.
A V8 vs. the arrival of the Hybrid model, the 4xe seems worth long term. I really like the Hemi V8 but with the shift to electric the V8 seems like a bad addition even though it's cool. As long as having a Wrangler V8, I prefer a Charger or a Chalenger V8.
Power Wagon isn't as capable off-road due to its size but still a good option for the money. That is if you can live with the bulkiness of a 3/4 ton that is hard to maneuver in tight parking lots and the bumpy, stiff ride quality but it is a Ram so it probably has better ride quality than a Chevy Silverado 2500.
Even if the government required EV production only gas motors won't leave for years. People like me will dump every spare penny I can find into repairing an ICE vehicle before I'm forced to down grade to an EV or a hybrid. And than the price point on an EV is just nuts. Factor in that you are financially further ahead on yearly total cost (fuel, insurance, maintenance) to drive a hybrid than an EV it just does not make sense to buy one. Other problem is oil production. We still need it for plastic, clothes, tires, road construction, the list goes on. Gasoline use to be just a byproduct that was burnt off, so as long as we keep buying cell phones ant tires it will still be there. My guess is it will be 100 years or more before you can't find a gas motor or gasoline. Assuming there is any oil left or someone doesn't come up with a synthetic fuel.
This whole move to electric cars sounds great, however in the US we haven't made a real investment in our electric grid in decades. On the east coast during the summer you have rolling blackouts. On the west coast when ever there is high winds they turn off the power to prevent forest fires from aging power lines. Texas has a above average winter and lost power for almost the entire state. I can't imagine that in 10 years with more people powering their cars at home that we have caught up on the infrastructure needed to keep these new cars on the road. Also what happens when the power is out for weeks like it was in Texas, not being able to charge your car will leave you stranded. You can keep jerry cans filled with gas for 3-6 months for a few hundred dollars, the ability to have a large enough battery bank at home for emergency use will be in the thousands of dollars on initial investment.
South Florida Jeeps make custom jeeps where you can get a diesel, 495hp corvette engine, or 707hp hellcat engine installed in them. They have cool body armor packages so to build one of their jeeps on their website it will cost around $75k-$130k for a Jeep Wrangler or gladiator. They also do 6x6 for an extra $75k more on top of that which I don't think is worth it. Yeah I like how jeep offers a 392hp V8 engine option but I don't think it looks cool for that amount of money. I would rather get a custom jeep from SoFlo jeeps in Miami for that amount of money.
So you can crush the side pipes going over rocks. Plus flames are so overdone. Sometimes less is better. Now if they could drop the price by $20,000 they couldn’t keep them in stock.
My 19 Rubi 2.0 with 37s on a 2.5 rock krawler is perfect. 38k miles and 6 badge of honor trails in Colorado done. Not a issue 1. Love the 3.6. But this 2.0 is awesome and seems to be a little more spunky vs the 3.6.
Vacuum actuated exhaust baffles? thats not how things are done nowadays ... this things basically a race car and most that junk will get ripped off it someday then get stickers and a roll bar. plus those side pipes Tommy and i love so much
There's a 3rd group... track drivers lower it aero it up and it might be not that bad on the tarmac. Which if your wondering it's the same or opposite crowd to the let's take a Mustang GT and make it a Mustang raptor dune buggy off-roading thing.
Bronco isn't scared of either Fiat or Peugeot lol. The build quality of Wranglers is horrible. As far as the power goes.....I foresee a Bronco EV coming, and it'll blow this 392 right off the Rubicon Trail.
I don't think anyone is cross-shopping this with a GWagen. The G is a status symbol. Most people don't even understand how expensive a Wrangler is, let alone a V8 version. It looks like a $40k truck. Now the GWagen is a big Mercedes SUV that most people understand is extremely expensive. Same goes for Land Rovers. . Jeep has already disclosed that their demographic buyers have 6 figure incomes and at least one more vehicle than is theirs. This is likely a halo vehicle for people to be excited over, yet reserved for the upper 5% of Wrangler's target demographic. . Hard to know without their CRM and focus group data.
A rock climbing race car. Only from Jeep | Stellantis. Anyway, I do agree that the interior needs its own unique color/style scheme. As for the outside, some special 392 wheels and maybe a badge is all that I require. I prefer sleepers.
The problem is, the Jeep may have an MSRP of around 75k, but the dealers are marking them up from 5-20k extra! I've tried at 2 separate dealers to purchase one or make a deal, but they won't budge from their gouging. I think that is a bunch of greedy BS, but whatever. 🤷🏼♂️
Build it they will buy it! I will only dream of buying one some day! So badass! Or someday I will build mine into one. I have a JLU. That’s a good start
Crazy about wranglers and I have the rubicon, yet for me this is not worth my money, if I wanted something fast, it has to handle itself, and so far on the highway from others you still have that steering issue and have to work for it. great review and of course there will be those that will get this and have a blast yet I think the TRX would be the better way to go.
If Ford brings the bronco warthog into production more than likely it will have more power and a hell of a lot better fuel economy if they stuff the 3 liter or 3.5 liter ecoboast in it But back to your question should Ford be scared hell no but it sure does show that Jeep is very scared I eventually see another chapter 11 and a taxpayer bail out in Chrysler’s future again ( Chrysler’s history ) repeats its self every 5-7 years
The power could be great for turning 40"+ tires in the skeg, now let's see if the rest of the powertrain is ready for the task. Still needs a sc though lol, I had to put a sc on the zr2 and it don't have 40' tires, another great vid btw :) #Callawayzrtwo
onX would be a nice app except for it's one big problem. I doesn't work in the horizontal mode which makes it useless for many. Instead of adding "features" I wish they would fix this glaring bug.
@@quintili1 When you turn it horizontal the operation menus (Discover - Offline Maps - My Content - Map Tools - Tracker) at the bottom disappears on my iPads and iPhone. They have been aware of this for over a year.
What if... this 392 v8 in the Jeep Gladiator Mojave... anyone else thinking real Ford Raptor competition? Small, light(ish), power, and off road excellence!
Wondering how the math works on this. You can buy a fully loaded, 75th Anniversary Power Wagon (winch, lockers, sway bar disconnect, etc.) with a 6.4 Hemi for thousand less. Maybe the issue is a Power Wagon is harder to park at the mall?
True jeepers know that the engine is irrelevant, what matters is weight and traction. Therefore, what really matters for off-roading enthusiasts is the Rubicon package, regardless of motor. In the eyes of the right target consumer, all products are worth their cost and perceivable value. To the average consumer, the V6 and turbo4 are great value For someone who wants the ultimate V8 monster powered Jeep, the 392 is the way to go.
And experienced Jeepers know not to buy a Rubicon model. Why pay extra for better suspension, axles, gears, ect... When you are going to pull it all out and replace it with something aftermarket. Let the mall crawlers buy the Rubi, you can build something better anyway.
If they wanted to they could improve the mileage on any vehicle out there on the factory floor. But they wont, they get to many payoffs from oil companies.
I remember the CJ options back in the 70's and the engine options were almost endless. V8 being one of them. Almost every engine option was unreliable except for the Buick V6. (AMC owned Jeep at the time). They continued this into the YJ and almost killed Jeep. TJ started to straighten it out and then JK settled on the 3.8 and eventually the 3.6 Pentastar. Solid, reliable and soooo much less confusing for the buyer. Chrysler is taking Jeep back to the 70's and is going to mess up sales with confusion. People will not be able to figure out which engine package is best for them, and you know the sales person is going to push the most expensive. I expect Jepp sales to decline with all these engine options, every different engine is competing with the other and the consumer will shop elsewhere, (Ford?).
It would’ve been more practical, cheaper, and probably a bigger hit if they would’ve just used the 5.7 liter hemi instead of the 392. Still a v8 with plenty of power, but would’ve fit a lot better in this vehicle. Would’ve been a better step in this direction. Also make it available in other trims than just the rubicon.
