Should You Dunk? Fan? And How to Avoid Sidepins (NO Liner), and How to Harvest Shoeboxes! Mycology 

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In a world of confusion, your videos have made the most sense to me. I see people turning cultivation into rocket science, but keeping it simple seems to work just fine. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.

Finnaly! Everybody says to just "get another flush" but never say how.

I could watch 20 videos from 20 other channels and still not get as much information as a single one of yours. Thank you for being so content rich.

Always such a help no matter how much we think we know something more to learn from your experience man love it 🙌🤟 mush love

I can never tell you enough how grateful I am for all of your knowledge. Sage you are the man.😊

Great video man. Totally agree with what you were saying about why you use unmodified shoeboxes.. so much easier to work with than putting them in a tent or bigger container. Glad you out here helping us shoebox/neglect tek folks thrive

Thanks for the videos and teaching us through your trial & error.. saving us a ton of our own time. Shoebox neglect tek is the way!!

Wow, every Content provider has something to contribute. This is science after all. Everyone even the most ardent veteran to newbies like myself can learn something new from their own and others experiences.

I have been geowing since the 90s and can tell that the intuition is the best advisor.

Wow! That was a great video. I've learned so much from your work. Thanks Man!

I was waiting for this video😄🍄

This was extremely helpful thank you again sage .

Thanks for this video - in regards to rehydration it confirmed what I intuitively was doing - heavy misting repeatedly and looking closely at the surface each time. Makes sense to me to recreate a heavy rain and watch the sub to see how it's absorbing it! Cheers.

Great video Sage!!

Wonderful video buddy, appreciate you!

Great video. “Simulate Thunder”, that cracked me up. Nice job man 👍🏼.

Great vid....super helpful. Have you ever experimented with using an additional high moisture casing layer for additional flushes?

There is some much information out there, some of it conflicting, but this all just makes really good sense. 👍

Thank you for the suggestions. I've grown for many years using cases -- but use black sided ones to reduce side pins. After the first flush , the substrate has shrunk from the sides so I fill the gap with sterilized soil (coir) and heavily spray. Because I live in an area with low humidity, I've built a small "clean" room with intake and exhaust fans with a humidifier feeding into a long distribution tube to cover 7 or 8 cases. Big production, typically 300-400 grams per case.

I literally just dunked after a little hesitation Wish I’d watched this 1st . So my cake did fracture into a few pieces. So I’ve basically patched it together as best I can and am now just going to watch and wait . There’s more room in my tube now so I’m actually hoping to get more side pins. Some of the best fruits I got off the 1st flush came off the sides actually. Thanks for your vids they’re so helpful

dunking seems just easier for me. i've heard about some people weighting the fresh fruit they harvested and putting that amount of water back into the sub.

Sir Sage! I am brand new to this end currently inoculating my second attempt. After stumbling upon this video, I realized I watched one more of yours previously so I investigated, man do I wish I had viewed all of your incredible work before spending so much time and money on other methods!!! Wondering if any of your previous videos have, or if you could produce one in the future for viewers like me. I know have a all in one Martha tent that I am now into for about $500. I am mostly using spawn bags and large containers for fruiting. Should I just stop all of this or could you recommend ways in which I could utilize the tent better? I very much appreciate your work and your replies to so many comments. Thank you, Tim.

Thanks brother! Dig yer content, and yer style!

"Misting the hell out of it" was the way ive used at my UncleBens cakes and THIS was the way: second and 3. flush with no problems :)

100% going to not dunk this time round as that is a massive pain. Keep up the good work its really appriciatesd !

Thx 🍻😎congratulations 10.000 🥳🥳🥳SAPERE AUDE

Man you have helped me more than anyone else I watch! Thank you, your work is not going unappreciated!

Always learn something new 😊

I misted after first flush and second flush was bigger than first. Your videos have been spot on. Not dunking ever. On my third flush now.

Fefe here! thanks, i need this! Stone teach me a very usefull tech, using 5ml of destiled water syrynge in every corner

Glad I saw this; about dunking I've seen everything from one hour to 24 hours recommended. Simulate rain makes sense.

I can’t believe I was considering dunking…thank you sage!!

Nice one, I’m all for simplifying! I do have a question about dunking though: isn’t it also about drowning nasties? I read somewhere dunking for 24h fulfilled a function of cleaning up your sub from previous flush life and properly resetting it. Is this a not valid point in your opinion? Another is regarding large tubs. I now run 50+l ez dials, and not sure how I should go about dunking or spraying.. feels like I’d need to spray an insane amount of water on those. Have you got any advice for those larger projects?

Dude! Great info

Ah, PF Tek. Haven't heard that referenced in quite some time. Reminds me of college.

Thanks for sharing your techniques! Much appreciate your content! So with these small shoeboxes you don't need to do anything with FAE to make them fruit (coir lovers)? Just spritz, cover back up and let evaporation do it's job?

I actually just add 1/4 cup of water after picking first flush. I also remove my liner after cake is solid. Side pins don’t bother me too much

Great video 👍

Just what i wanted to hear about ❤

My weed experiment with I know vermiculite casing started kicking out side pins. I added a dub tub now it's going nuts on top. Looking like I got 5-6 side pins to deal with, and 10+ on top. Pretty sure it's gonna do good even with vermiculite casing. I had some peatmoss I probably should of added, but to late for that now. Coir isn't easy to find locally. So did what I could. I normally grow straw bales no casing. Wasn't prepared for this, but forgot to shake syringe and one jar was ready way before the rest.

Great ! Exactly what I still needed ! Thanks a lot. I look forward to watching this video.

I had 3 shoeboxes sitting after a second flush dunk which got me 4 grams dried (first flush got me 60 grams)... gonna try this on them and see how it goes

So / you obviously know what you’re talking about, so Ive decided to go start with your first video and watch the series. Maybe catch up so I can be current with the new vids you put out. Thanks for the info.

What about ice cubes to rehydrate? Would the cold be bad for them? My room temperature running about 80 degrees right now so thought maybe might help keep fruiting chamber (shoebox) cooler while adding moisture that can slowly seep into substrate as ice melts?

I love your videos. Im on my first grow. My first pin started 14 days ago and I only got 2 full open caps and 2 aborts. I believe because of I was fanning it caused my cake to lose water and shrink a little. Now im trying to rehydrate the cake and hopefully see if i can get a flush out of it. Do I need to remove all the pins on top before I heavy mist my cake? A friend suggested taking a sterilized fork and very slightly taking of the surface of the cake then spraying it down to rehydrate which im a little worried to mess up the cake. What is your best advice, thank you for all your videos!

Thank you so much!!

You can move them to 27qt containers once you start to see the side pins

Question, have you ever switched to a bigger tub, after the mycelium is developed and starting to pin? And envert the mycelium block sideways? So it pins on all 5 sides? I did this last time and found it productive. But I live in a humid area as well.

First time ive ever grown was this year after a few lc attempts, I used 32 qt shoboxes with the lid and dubtub method. I misted everyday, played them holy names of God in hebrew and aramic as well as edm reggaeand whatever else music i wanted too, and kept them betweek 73 and 79 degrees. I dunked everytime after a flush with a gallon and a half of water, after ahwile my mycellium got very stressed pr3sumably from the water, and turned yellow and was not healing very fast like usual. I have many experiments to do and am very happy with my results, all i do is combine the average of infromation and tweak them to my current standards as well as some common sense. My first flush was 54 grams and one tub gave me 8 flushes granted these ranged from 30 to 60 gs a flush, dry. They produced every 7-8 days. Some mushys link us directly to certain things. Theyre living sentient creatures that can allow for incredible healing to be done. Never forget and all hail the king of time and space YESHUAAAAAA❤🎉aye we love you christ!!!!❤️‍🔥👑🪽🌹

Until now, I have bought ready-made growing kits from online fats. I have always had success (I see that in these compliments there is perlite on the bottom, a middle layer of rye grain, and vermiculite on top! I want to grow in the same box, I have a filter bag. I recently took a print .Please advise .I want to make jars and add in a box with coir and vermiculite

Great video, Sage!

I’ve had a lot more success since tuning in to your channel. Much appreciated

I once had like literally 1-2 pins on the top of mycelium and plenty of pins on the side of cake, although it was taped and in box. Anyway, since this time i just let it grow everywhere, and c'mon it's just smarter. Instead of only top surface I have 3x more by using sides.

i personally use a large basting syringe to hydrate my larger tubs. :)

I habe grown off and on for a while now but just getting into shoeboxes. I kinda like em so far. But also wanted to add, a layer of small bubble wrap is really good for keeping the top from drying out..or you can just pack down a top layer of coir and spray it down with extra water.

I wish you had this video out about a month ago haha lol I just came to the same conclusion about fanning, all it caused me was contamination lol every time and every bin I fanned , I don't use a liner either , thanks for the info on side pins and how to rehydrate! I'm off to Walmart to get some more shoeboxes, oh also I have some pins in my Cyansen finally lol ! Take care man ! Peace from Welland Ontario Canada 🇨🇦 ve3hip Mike

this is a good idea !!!

very nice 🍄

Thanks man

Bro lately I have been experimenting with just injecting the cake with a syringe full of water to rehydrate. Give it a shot and see how it works for you. Blessings!

Can you talk about his to cultivate enigma. I hear that it’s special don’t wanna mess it up

A good method to know how hydrated your substrate is, weigh it when it is perfect. Take note of the weight. And then weigh it after your flush. It will give you an idea of how much moisture it needs. But you have to weigh it down to the gram, not just ounces and pounds.

Gonna try my first 2nd flush with heavy misting and rain meditation music playing. 😊 How can we not do it now.❤

Dang it, I just placed an order with ITW and didn't see your code! Oh well, next time!

At what point do you add the casing layer? From the start?

What if don't have casing and it's mycelium can i still do that and spray it obviously from further away? Thank you?

I've started adding more cvg all the way around the cake in between flushes. Its too early to say how It's going. But I'd appreciate any input from anyone else who's tried this.

by flush do you mean harvest or is a flush an umbrella term for like 2-5 harvests?

Sorry to be slightly off topic. I like AiO groBags. Is the rubber band a thing? I tried it... then got paranoid that moisture was collecting at the bottom....

Shoot I’m already soaking a cake. I’ll try your method on the next batch

A liner also helps you to lift the block out for rehydration.

If you were drying fruits overnight and your dehydrator shut off leaving the fruits more than halfway done, i assume its ok to restart it up the next morning? The fruits were still a tad soft inside so I wasn't sure if they're ruined or not due to sitting out for several hours on the tray. Seems like I might just lose out on some "flavor"? Other than that any concerns I should worry about? I just turned on the dehydrator and gonna finish the job 🤷‍♂️ appreciate you!

Bro has SO much agar

If using a bag do i mist the top of the substrate?

Weigh your harvest and ensure you spray at least half that over the first two days after flush.

You got a like and a sub for this one

Hey mycophillia! I had someone on Reddit suggest to me to leave the aborts on my sub when I dunk and send it to 2nd flush. He claimed that the mycelium would reclaim all the aborts and the mycelium will eat them up for nutrients. Is this true and would you recommend doing this?

In case you haven't heard it today. YOUR AWESOME! 🍄💙

Thank you/

The mycelium on mine made a crust that will not absorb any water after the first flush. I tried injecting, but it's so dense internally that either the water comes out the top around the needle, or the plunger is impossible to push in. I am still afraid to dunk, but idk what else to do. I thought about breaking the cake apart, crumbling it into completely loose material, adding water, and reforming it into the container, then wait for the mycelium to regrow, but I worry that will just destroy it completely. It's been over 2 weeks without any change at all; no mycelium repair, nothing. I mist it daily to the point water puddles in spots, and the mycelium stays bruised, but water just evaporates by next day.

I have watched multiple videos on growing and no one addresses this quedtion I have. What kind of water is everyone using: tap, bottled, spring, or distilled?

I'm actually finding that the top mist method after flush is not working for me because I live in a super humid/tropical climate - I can't judge whether or not it's adequately hydrated based on it 'sucking up' moisture because I'm pretty much guaranteed to have excess moisture around/on/under the cake regardless of whether or not the cake is actually hydrated inside. I had water pooling under and on top of my cake last harvest and the cake wasn't actually hydrated leading to small fruits. I'm going to need to do the classic dunk/float with holes in it in between frushes.

If you put a casing layer do you still mist?

Recently attempted my first clone of a fruit. I sterilized my knife with a torch and tried to let it cool a bit, anyways all my samples look a bit burnt on the agar. Do you think it'll still produce? It's been about 3 days and haven't seen anything yet. even the spot where I dropped it on the agar looks a bit burnt too :c

I always use thin black liner. The mycelium adheres to it and seals out side pinning. The liner will shrink with the substrate. Easy to lift out. I spray well after flush and tilt out any excess water after 2 hrs. Shoe boxes are great but they need to be 2in taller.

Im a new cultivator & i dont even understand most terms like brf dunk case etc. then you go and throw in AMELIORATE!!

Can you add molasses to your water as a nutrient?

Are you reusing shoeboxes? Do you have to use them with same strains? Just need a decontam and sterilization between grows?

Liners are basically just handles. Once you have it out of the tub you can just saw everything off at the base with a guitar string.

Make it rain baby!

Here. we. go.

If you cake cracks, or separates, but isn’t dry does that affect fruiting??

Yo! What is good genetic and how to make that? Thx for your work!

What is, "Jiffy mix"? 😮 Yes, I'm a noob! 😅 Also, why not use tweezers to reach those side pins?

Another video mentions painting the outside of the box black (up to the level you set your substrate to)

Pins are the best. McKennaii pins almost pop between your teeth a lil' bit as they break open. :D-Lish-Ush

Do you have a stove top pressure cooker yet?

First time grower, and here's what my experience has been using the outdated techniques: First flush was very exciting. Thought I had some cobweb mold which I treated with hydrogen peroxide. I fanned and kept the holes in my monotub filled with polyfill. I had a decent first flush. I dunked the cake after this for about three hours. It was messy and didn't feel right, but I did it anyway. I then set the monotub back up into fruiting conditions but thought I really messed it all up. However, after a few days, pins popped up everywhere and had a really nice second flush. After my second harvest, I did "neglect tek" and just basically left it on its own for about a week. I didn't dunk or even mist it. This was an experimental run as I was satisfied with my yield anyway and I have a grain spawn bag colonizing with another set of spores that I'd like to transfer into substrate soon. I would check on it daily and did notice a strange stem with a really tiny head grow rapidly. It was essentially a stem covered in white mycelium. Around the rest of the surface, there were several aborts but several pins began to pop up (much less pins than prior two flushes). I kept an eye on the strange "mutant" but eventually plucked it and tossed it as it stopped growing. I then cleaned up the surface by removing any aborted pins. I also stopped using polyfill and just left the holes open and misted the top. On this third flush, though there are fewer pins, the pins are bigger, and I have one MONSTER growing right in the middle of the cake. I wish I had more experience as I would definitely clone it, but ultimately, I've learned that all these other outdated techniques may have actually harmed my previous flushes - smaller mushrooms with lower potency. I haven't tested this third flush yet, but the beast in the middle is surrounded by relatively large pins compared to previous flushes. All in all, in my next grow, I plan not to fan and just stick to misting. I may use syringes to rehydrate the cake, but no dunking. Messy and unnecessary, as stated here. No fanning, and no filling up the holes. Since I've been using coir, I am not concerned with contamination (someone can correct me if I should be concerned, though). Thanks Sage.

ok I hope this isn't too low brow but what if you took that clump and put it in a bigger box allowing the sidepins to grow to full size??