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Do Liners Actually Work? A Discussion on Liners and Sidepins. Growing Mushrooms at Home 

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Hi everybody! In this video I go over a topic that is often talked about but often misunderstood. I discuss the relationship between liners and sidepins, tips to prevent sidepins, and what I personally use liners for (hint: it's not mainly for sidepins!) I also try to clarify the misunderstandings people have about how liners exactly work. It's not just through preventing a microclimate, or preventing light.
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Комментарии : 131   
@Mycophilia
@Mycophilia Год назад
A *LIKE* and a *COMMENT* rehydrates Sage for another flush! Don’t let me dry out 😂 🎉 🎊 👍 💦 🍄 💦 🍄 💦 🍄 💜 👽 🚀
@d.o.t.collector4728
@d.o.t.collector4728 Год назад
Glad to see you back ☺️
@Mycophilia
@Mycophilia Год назад
@@d.o.t.collector4728 Thanks DOT! Good to be back and seeing you guys!
@FacesintheStoneShorts
@FacesintheStoneShorts Год назад
I know you’re super passionate about spreading the truth. Could you revisit your stance on rizomorphic versus tomentose mycelium growth ideas? I have been reading a lot and I understand that rizomorphic will turn into toma after being tired out. I believe that it does matter, but the sage says it does not. We must be in alignment on this!
@shaunm1983
@shaunm1983 Год назад
After harvesting and trimming plants, harvesting a monotub of mushrooms seems like a pleasure 😊
@JustReckles5
@JustReckles5 Год назад
This is the type of stuff I didn't even think about. I started researching as I slowly bought equipment, materials, and inventory not knowing wth I was getting myself into. Thank you so much
@Mycophilia
@Mycophilia Год назад
Glad I could help! 💜
@robwaooh
@robwaooh Год назад
Welcome back :) I’m liking the chill background tunes
@Mycophilia
@Mycophilia Год назад
Thanks man! Good to be back.
@emeteriogomez3748
@emeteriogomez3748 Год назад
youre killing it with these last videos!
@Mycophilia
@Mycophilia Год назад
Thanks 🙏
@zorgath420
@zorgath420 Год назад
I did my first spawn to bulk this morning and forgot a liner. This video is just what I was looking for. Thanks dude!
@jerichostone5388
@jerichostone5388 Год назад
Keep it coming thanks for your time 🙏
@Mycophilia
@Mycophilia Год назад
My pleasure Jericho!
@Blighted1
@Blighted1 Год назад
Hey Sage , glad to see you ! 🍄❤️
@Mycophilia
@Mycophilia Год назад
Hey Blight, good to see you man! Thanks for the giveaways btw, I'm sure you're making a lot of beginners happy!
@Blighted1
@Blighted1 Год назад
@@Mycophilia anytime my friend ! I'm glad I can help make others happy 😁
@m.i.c.h.o
@m.i.c.h.o Год назад
Congrats on 6K man!
@Mycophilia
@Mycophilia Год назад
Thank you Micho! Appreciate it 💜
@kingmetroplex
@kingmetroplex Год назад
I would like to see a video on how to properly rehydrate your shoe box for a possible second flush
@Mycophilia
@Mycophilia Год назад
Good topic! Will do 👍
@FaYT02
@FaYT02 Год назад
Me too, of course !
@fredmeds
@fredmeds Год назад
Thanks Sage..Good stuff!
@Mycophilia
@Mycophilia Год назад
Thanks Fred as always!
@mj_awesome8925
@mj_awesome8925 Год назад
Great as always, thanks!
@Mycophilia
@Mycophilia Год назад
Thanks MJ!
@MrBeeleevr79
@MrBeeleevr79 Год назад
Would love to see harvesting side pins. Great vid bro!
@Mycophilia
@Mycophilia Год назад
Noted! I can’t show fruits on here but I posted a video from my old channel here: www.patreon.com/posts/75469775?
@ovrjoyd
@ovrjoyd Год назад
So happy to see ya. Missed your content. 🤗 My main reason for liners is quick and easy disposal. I think they make it too difficult for the cake to reabsorb water, so I may stop using them.
@Mycophilia
@Mycophilia Год назад
Good to see you too Joy! I just mist heavily on top now. Just like in nature, also helps prevent sidepins as dunking will encourage a better microclimate on the sides
@dongo6988
@dongo6988 Год назад
What I do is I take a syringe and inject water under where I see the most pins
@danwilkinson2797
@danwilkinson2797 Год назад
Thanks that was very insightful.
@Mycophilia
@Mycophilia Год назад
Thank you Dan
@euphorik_weezul
@euphorik_weezul Год назад
If you tip the montub on its side and slide the cake with the liner so it's sitting up right on the side of the tub. Then you don't even have to lift it out of the tub. Just found this one on my last harvest. And thanks for all your informative videos. Much appreciated
@robertsteele9309
@robertsteele9309 Год назад
Great content as always! Would love to see the harvest method :)
@Mycophilia
@Mycophilia Год назад
Sounds good!
@ANJH1106
@ANJH1106 Год назад
Mush love thanks for all your hard work if my honest experience it's a lot to do with substrate moisture content an fae monitoring in my opinion you can have a better microclimate with a liner. 85% of the time the liner helps Lotta variables at play.
@lunarflares2659
@lunarflares2659 Год назад
Def interested in shoebox harvesting tips
@Mycophilia
@Mycophilia Год назад
Noted!
@euphorik_weezul
@euphorik_weezul Год назад
Oh one more thing! I have a strain that keeps fully colonizing the substrate. But doesn't fruit... do you think I should put a casing layer on after full Colonization? I'm used to putting the casing layer on when I add to bulk. Not after fully colonized bulk. Just wondering what you think
@Mycophilia
@Mycophilia Год назад
Coir lovers should fruit with or without a casing layer. It may simply be a non-fruiter genetic-wise
@donaldslayton2769
@donaldslayton2769 Год назад
Looks good, you rock
@Mycophilia
@Mycophilia Год назад
Thank you Donald
@notme1345
@notme1345 5 месяцев назад
What do you think about the condensation dripping down the tub walls and going behind the tub liner and not back into the substrate?
@Rolandfart
@Rolandfart Год назад
He is back!
@Mycophilia
@Mycophilia Год назад
@Mycophilia
@Mycophilia Год назад
Sup Roland Face Doom!
@Rolandfart
@Rolandfart Год назад
@@Mycophilia secret inside joke 😂🤫
@loki-qw9gv
@loki-qw9gv Год назад
Shoebox harvests please
@Mycophilia
@Mycophilia Год назад
Noted!
@jblack1979
@jblack1979 Год назад
Welcome back
@Mycophilia
@Mycophilia Год назад
Thanks James, good to be back
@sobussin
@sobussin Год назад
Shoebox Harvest and Flush technique vide would be nice 👍
@riskiyew
@riskiyew Год назад
Hey I need answers hope you read us I got a jar fully colonized But don't has coco or any to bulk Can I do a covering with toilet paper pasteurized? Or is better dunk and fruit in the jar without covering Cheers
@Mycophilia
@Mycophilia Год назад
It’s up to you really, either method is not ideal. I would at least put some verm on top
@byronrobinson8633
@byronrobinson8633 Год назад
After its starts fruiting should you only mist side walls or everything still with fine mister?
@Mycophilia
@Mycophilia Год назад
Always the substrate. Your fruits will be fine unless you really overdo it. As long as you spray from afar and they're not looking completely waterlogged, they are fine. Some species are more sensitive to misting directly, but coir lovers are not one of them.
@byronrobinson8633
@byronrobinson8633 Год назад
@@Mycophilia thanks
@DerrickFishes
@DerrickFishes 11 месяцев назад
My solution has been just making shoebox cakes and putting the whole cake on a wire rack in a shotgun fruiting chamber. Works great
@jmichel70
@jmichel70 Год назад
Thank you
@D0CT0R420
@D0CT0R420 Год назад
How long can I store grain like rye or popcorn after being pressure cooked?
@Mycophilia
@Mycophilia Год назад
I've stored a grain jar for over 2 years with a micropore tape filter with no problem. Inoculated years later and grew without problems. Your mileage may vary
@youngmf6052
@youngmf6052 Год назад
I know a guy who put a clear liner in a mini mono and put the tub on the top shelf. The light from below caused major pinning on the bottom. He actually flipped the cake to fruit it was so bad. No more clear liners for him.
@Mycophilia
@Mycophilia Год назад
Was he getting more side fruits than top fruits?
@ObakuZenCenter
@ObakuZenCenter Год назад
Light isn't a major trigger for pinning. So no, it wasn't because the liner was clear. Your 'friend' got side pins because the substrate contracted and the microclimate was right for them to grow on the sides. This fake narrative is based on the same myth that caused some to paint the bottom of their tubs black, which turned out to be completely irrelevant and unnecessary. Light only provides a directional cue for mushrooms and can also, if it's sunlight, or UV light, help mushrooms produce some vitamin D.
@kitc1031
@kitc1031 Год назад
I have not had sidepins yet. I use 32 qt bins and liners. I would like to try the shoebox for coir lovers. If you do get a sidepin in the shoebox, do you let it go, or do you harvest it asap.
@Mycophilia
@Mycophilia Год назад
Harvest it when I can, but sometimes I’ll just leave them there and let the mycelium reclaim it.
@JustLilGecko
@JustLilGecko Год назад
When you say shoe-box... in my country that's not really a known/standard thing, what are the dimensions?
@Mycophilia
@Mycophilia Год назад
Search 6qt sterilite shoebox and you should find your answer
@FacesintheStoneShorts
@FacesintheStoneShorts Год назад
I quit the liners, but if you want to use them, use a scalpel to cut the edges. It’s a little easier.
@jimb9825
@jimb9825 3 месяца назад
How does light effect the mono tub w/o clear lid. Do they still grow up?
@Mycophilia
@Mycophilia 3 месяца назад
Depends on where the light is, they’ll grow towards it
@emeteriogomez3748
@emeteriogomez3748 Год назад
does ape need a casing layer? how can I know which need a casing layer?
@Mycophilia
@Mycophilia Год назад
No coir lover needs a casing layer
@Str8Flossin
@Str8Flossin 11 месяцев назад
Best info channel on yt. Thank you, Sage
@Mycophilia
@Mycophilia 11 месяцев назад
Thank you Judson 😊 💜
@eeassa
@eeassa Год назад
So do use a liner for coir lovers if grown in those 6qt or 12qt shoeboxes?
@Mycophilia
@Mycophilia Год назад
Nope, and I will talk about this in-depth on tomorrow’s video!
@henriqueribeiro8167
@henriqueribeiro8167 Год назад
What is better, shoe boxes or Unicorn bags?
@Mycophilia
@Mycophilia Год назад
They’re both good. Bags can be easier to maintain good fruiting conditions vs shoeboxes which get more FAE
@D0CT0R420
@D0CT0R420 Год назад
Why is ITW sold out of a lot of strains right now? I understand the menu can change with seasons, but it seems a few weeks ago they had 75% of stock available, and now it seems they're around 25%. Is this common?
@Mycophilia
@Mycophilia Год назад
Yes they are often sold out due to a high demand
@timtowns23
@timtowns23 Год назад
Thanks!
@Mycophilia
@Mycophilia Год назад
My pleasure Tim, thanks for the comment!
@Alpha_fitz
@Alpha_fitz Год назад
Hey, what is the "esmary" I hear you refer to sometimes? It sounds like a reputable blog of some kind, but I don't think I'm spelling it right.
@Mycophilia
@Mycophilia Год назад
sh r00m ery org
@Mycophilia
@Mycophilia Год назад
forum
@Alpha_fitz
@Alpha_fitz Год назад
Ahhh haaa. Thanks.
@Auditing.northern.N.Y.
@Auditing.northern.N.Y. 2 месяца назад
I'm new to shoebox, I decided to spawn ryeberry to pasteurized Marijuana. I just put a casing (straight vermiculite). It's been 2 days and noticed pins on side. I used tape to try to stop it. No air gap.
@Mycophilia
@Mycophilia 2 месяца назад
Tape won’t do anything, and verm isn’t an ideal casing layer but interesting grow nonetheless!
@Auditing.northern.N.Y.
@Auditing.northern.N.Y. Месяц назад
@Mycophilia it's thick blue painters tape, it should stop the light. I use to use vermiculite 15 years ago when I grew out of jars. Read on a forum that vermiculite is better then nothing which I originally planned. This was just a trial. Mostly do straw bale tech.
@MikeNaples
@MikeNaples 6 дней назад
Another advantage of a liner is it's much easier to clean a tub after your flushes are done.
@Mycophilia
@Mycophilia 5 дней назад
Yes, I mention that in the video.
@MikeNaples
@MikeNaples 5 дней назад
@@Mycophilia Thanks, I need to pay better attention.
@chriser119
@chriser119 Год назад
Are you pretty much saying that you should use a casing layer with the albino species?
@vdub7090
@vdub7090 Год назад
Hey sage! I am getting various different suggestions on where to go next in my process. I colonized an all in one bag to about 70%, did a break and shake, and then at 70% of recolonization I put it into a tub with verm, coco, and gypsum substrate and a liner. Should I give it FAE at all during colonization? It's at about 25%-35% colonized on my top layer. You don't have to answer in your video since I'm off topic, but Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
@mincraft509
@mincraft509 Год назад
wait wait wait. Patience is key when it comes to growing. Wait till about 50-75% till FAE
@vdub7090
@vdub7090 Год назад
I've been talking with another prominent youtuber and they suggested I fan for 15 seconds a day. What could happen if I start FAE too early? Possible contamination getting a foothold too early?
@Mycophilia
@Mycophilia Год назад
Next time you should wait until 100% colonization after the break and shake as uncolonized grains are a contam magnet in the open air. How many days has it been since spawning? Either way you can go with FAE or without. It's really a personal preference, some people think one way works better than another. But at the end of the day they will both work.
@Mycophilia
@Mycophilia Год назад
@@vdub7090 Once your grains are fully colonized and your mycelium is clean and healthy, they are extremely strong against contaminants in the air. About the FAE, it's not about contaminants but the idea of letting the mycelium consolidate/fully colonize the bulk before starting fruiting. This is because it can provide a fuller flush, or so it is argued. There is also the idea that it produces a stronger taste. Other than that, depending on your environment they can dry out a little quicker by introducing FAE earlier. A shoebox absolutely does not require fanning as it gets plenty of passive FAE, and a dialed in monotub also will require no attention (at least until the end of the first flush).
@vdub7090
@vdub7090 Год назад
​@Mycophilia I spawned to substrate a little over 7 days ago. But ok that helps, you're saying it won't make or break it. it just looks like it's slowing compared to the one I left in the bag which has pins and fruits galore. I'm worried I messed up by transferring to a tub.
@vincentwu2848
@vincentwu2848 Год назад
I noticed that you refer to "coir lovers" a lot, which is a term I haven't really heard. Would it be appropriate to think of what people typically call "wood lovers'" interchangeably with "coir lovers"?
@Mycophilia
@Mycophilia Год назад
Coir lovers=the species with varieties like B+ or GT
@CleverAndWilson
@CleverAndWilson Год назад
I like this
@byronrobinson8633
@byronrobinson8633 Год назад
How do you flush shoe box with liner? Pull liner out with cake and place in different tub with water?
@Mycophilia
@Mycophilia Год назад
There is no need to dunk (I stopped dunking a long time ago). All they need is water, in nature they get it from rain. So I just give them a heavy rain with the mister!
@byronrobinson8633
@byronrobinson8633 Год назад
@@Mycophilia ok that’s easy enough. Appreciate the info.
@ineffably_described
@ineffably_described Год назад
My shoebox made hundreds of side pins so I birthed it to a water tub.. excellent results, but not sure about subsequent flushes
@walmart-vz3lz
@walmart-vz3lz Год назад
Can you do a all in one mushroom grow bag pls?
@Mycophilia
@Mycophilia Год назад
It’s coming, I’m getting one sent but shipping is taking awhile as I’m not in the US
@thecocktailoasis1849
@thecocktailoasis1849 Год назад
👍
@chriser119
@chriser119 Год назад
I’m interested…
@DG-iw3yw
@DG-iw3yw 8 месяцев назад
thanks for the eggsplaination
@mooseBanner
@mooseBanner 7 месяцев назад
Comment for Algo
@smccallum214517
@smccallum214517 Год назад
What are the species of coir lovers?
@Mycophilia
@Mycophilia Год назад
The common ones, like GT or B positive
@smccallum214517
@smccallum214517 Год назад
@@Mycophilia ty
@smccallum214517
@smccallum214517 Год назад
@@Mycophilia what about APE, Or PE?
@philipholman9898
@philipholman9898 Год назад
"core lovers" ???? Expound please
@Mycophilia
@Mycophilia Год назад
The species behind varieties like GT, B+ and PE
@sobussin
@sobussin Год назад
Can you add more Substrate to the sides of the shoebox after the first flush to close the gap? Also are Golden Teachers and Apes Coir Lovers? I can't find a list, so I have no idea what are Coir Lovers. I believe Paneleous Cy's are poo lovers, yeah?
@legendno1
@legendno1 Год назад
😮🎉😮
@johnnygold753
@johnnygold753 Год назад
All of you all of the videos by everyone I have seen that get side bends have all been using clear tubs or not putting the tops on that are clear that's why you're getting side pins cause the light is coming through the sides and they're growing towards the light. You still might get some but if you painted it black or put black tape around it it would be a lot less likely or use a black garbage bag as a liner
@jamesstone3934
@jamesstone3934 8 месяцев назад
Whatta dweed censoring video of a monotub. 😂
@Mycophilia
@Mycophilia 8 месяцев назад
If only you knew how stupid you look right now 😂
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