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Significant Upwind VMG Advantage + Improved Prestart Communication: Day 4 Debrief 

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ETNZ prestart fail
INEOS improved communications
What do the speed stats say?
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@TheZitherish
@TheZitherish 2 часа назад
The LV cup experience of racing in choppy sea and light winds, must have played a part for .Ineos
@captain-hooked
@captain-hooked 2 часа назад
Great analysis Mozzy - good to see that Ineos is still in this and hopefully will have some close matches to come!
@wightmand
@wightmand 3 часа назад
INEOS seemed better able to handle today's sea-state.
@addrock7695
@addrock7695 2 часа назад
Yeah, no wind, bigger sail setup!
@juliandavall7604
@juliandavall7604 53 минуты назад
Their tacks looked better. They were watching and paying attention to you Mozzy.
@iv3shf
@iv3shf Час назад
They made massive improvements in a day! The boat was cleaner and faster and better communication, so glad to see them back fighting!!
@pauloalvesdesouza7911
@pauloalvesdesouza7911 2 часа назад
I thought you'd comment on Ben calling the cyclors "I need traveler!". I believe it was on the 2nd or 3rd downwind leg of the second race. Anyway it was great racing.
@charleswalters6064
@charleswalters6064 56 минут назад
Superb comment Mozzy . Really revealing. I really couldn’t see those ENTZ downwind gains as wind shifts. 1 tactic I see. To give yourself a long downwind on a favoured gybe, it seems that ENTZ has started to go to the opposite weather mark, and gybes early (half way to boundary). This seems to give them the purchase / leverage of a longer favoured gybe downwind. Compared to Ineos who take the favoured gate, but then end up at the boundary too early - and spend longer then on a losing gybe.
@macscott5290
@macscott5290 2 часа назад
As always great analysis. Going to be hard but ETNZ will be sleeping less soundly tonight…..
@erikwellerweller8623
@erikwellerweller8623 2 часа назад
My brain really hangs on the hull designs. INEOS have that bustle and skeg which stays sealed yet bounces off of wave tops with out sticking as you mentioned. As with LR the Kiwi hull seems stickier in the wave tops. I will now also pay attention to the toucan nose on the foil arm making the Kiwis have to heave more. INEOS have strakes on the nose to strip off small touches yet have a recurved bottom that generates lift on large touches. This is why I have been hoping for rougher seas for the Brits. I love seeing the Brit hull skipping over rough waves.
@adf1fanboy-eb2sr
@adf1fanboy-eb2sr 2 часа назад
Yes the kiwis needed some shifts to get back into it, but don't forget they were sailing on the non favored sides trying to make good on the scraps left behind by the british.
@carlosgap5
@carlosgap5 2 часа назад
Great analysis mozzy cheers
@GBH001
@GBH001 2 часа назад
Fantastic response by IB today. We have a boat race. As others have mentioned the sea state suited IB (not sure how) but ETNZ did come back at them pretty hard to be a few seconds behind at the finish. Looking forward to seeing the response by ETNZ up against the renewed confidence (and performance maybe?) of IB. Game on!
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP 2 часа назад
Love your analysis Mozzy. Thanks. Congrats to Ineos team for breaking a 90 year drought. As I Kiwi I hope they don't break the 173 year drought this time though :)
@peterebel7899
@peterebel7899 2 часа назад
I love to see this match ending 7 - 6 !
@kiwioffgrid2437
@kiwioffgrid2437 Час назад
7-2
@bakters
@bakters Час назад
Me too, and I don't even care much who's the winner. 7-6 is a dream.
@mike_qbik
@mike_qbik 2 часа назад
Did you know you had a shouout from the Ineosa team on their Inside Tack show 2 days ago? I think they picked up on your foil analysis …. 👍🏻
@wesleybrooks1538
@wesleybrooks1538 2 минуты назад
INEOS is definitely aware of Mozzy at a minimum, since they had him aboard the women’s team boat a few weeks ago.
@nickwalters5380
@nickwalters5380 Час назад
What a day. Great racing.
@jandrewkennedy
@jandrewkennedy 2 часа назад
Thank-you Really great having these videos, stick at it! Heart says yes, head says maybe!
@timofeyzubkov9095
@timofeyzubkov9095 Час назад
Huge thank you Mozzy for such a fantastic debriefings!!!
@Supasarge
@Supasarge 2 часа назад
So insightful
@Grandudeable
@Grandudeable 17 минут назад
Yeah we will give the Poms these. We expected them to be in it. Pretty happy of the time taken back in both races and I don't think the Kiwi's optimized. Game on, congrats Pom's, looking forward to Friday. Was scared it was going to be over at the weekend.
@daves1412
@daves1412 Час назад
Brilliant. Amazing how they can improve the performance of the boat in just two days
@jonnyrush1
@jonnyrush1 Час назад
Thanks for your always insightful analysis hard to watch the first one Rita loved these conditions and Ben and the Boys made the adjustments and wind and seascapes suited them congratulations great to have two wins for you Brits wake up Pistol Pete back to the drawing board and we will see 4-2 sounds good I hardly slept last night and got up 1 1/2 hours early going to be a long couple of days cheers
@robertseaborne5758
@robertseaborne5758 Час назад
Awsome, race on. As Dylan's name sake once sang - "The answer my friend is blowing in the wind, the answer is blowing in the wind".
@DarrenBainbridge
@DarrenBainbridge 3 часа назад
Now its getting exciting.
@BRMCaptChaos
@BRMCaptChaos 2 часа назад
That 2nd race start could have gone very differently. Super stylish in the end, but I was twitching. Super racing from IB today, they have to win differently and you certainly called it right Mozzy. Less manoeuvre, more speed. However it goes on Friday and the weekend, it’s nice to counter punch.
@davidlapes2751
@davidlapes2751 2 часа назад
Did you spot any changes in tacking method for Ineos? I'm surprised the Kiwis don't have an override on the rotation.
@brianc4917
@brianc4917 Час назад
Nice job getting GBR back on track!
@jkmhenry
@jkmhenry 2 часа назад
Great stuff
@broaderdiscussion
@broaderdiscussion 46 минут назад
Thanks so much for all the effort you have gone to for this and other uploads (INEOS def watched your last video, mast turn/jib through quicker ⛵). Go Team INEOS, you've shown 1:1 you can beat them 👏👏👏
@pdublt3d
@pdublt3d Час назад
Another enthralling day on the water. Well done to INEOS to get a couple of wins. C'mon ETNZ!!!!🖤
@chrismartin5870
@chrismartin5870 Час назад
Credit to you, thank you so much, great stuff!
@erichanson5628
@erichanson5628 2 часа назад
Thank You!!!!
@Coolcmsc
@Coolcmsc Час назад
INEOS are really good at ‘learning’ from each race. We will find out if TNZ are good at that in the next two. If they aren’t, this could go INEOS’ way as there’s still more to find in that hull, as there is the the Kiwi hull. It’s a race, then, to learn the most 🎉
@actiaint
@actiaint 2 часа назад
Great work Ineos!
@glynls
@glynls 2 часа назад
Mozzy If you aren't hired by INEOS by the next campaign I think we'll be missing out xx
@speedintraffic
@speedintraffic 16 минут назад
Really good call that you made about mast rotation linkage/automation on your previous video. Seems like something that could be easily fixed on the rest day (a "reset to port/starboard tack" option?) so maybe it won't be such a problem next time for ETNZ
@DarrenBainbridge
@DarrenBainbridge 2 часа назад
Interesting that the mast rotation is linked to the foil, with no apparent override. You would think it would be easy and mandatory to have a master rotation override button.
@chrismartin5870
@chrismartin5870 Час назад
I was thinking about entzs 2 clearing tacks in the 2 races ago, where they seemed to be able to tack and lose very little. Was wondering what your thoughts are about the wider implications of future boats being able to do that move generally ie would it alliw a boat following at the bittom gate to not have to simply take the unfavoured gate, but instead follow, and soon after rounding perform an entz style clearing tack, but with a smaller loss than would have been the case when taking the unfavoured gate. Thouhhts? Ie follow, clear their wind, abd then continue until a better opportunity to break away emerges.....maybe?
@tristankiddie1710
@tristankiddie1710 48 минут назад
The second race, the kiwis failed to match fully the last turn before the start allowing the brits the space to lead. And they did a good job of covering from there
@floodo1
@floodo1 17 минут назад
AC 37 LETS GOOOO
@alasdairfleming57
@alasdairfleming57 23 минуты назад
Is there anyway of comparing foiling height? Have TNZ been better in earlier races at foiling higher than Ineos? A sloppy confused see has got to force them lower to be able to handle the dynamics of the situation, slowing them down. If that’s the case, then it might be difficult for Ineos to keep up their momentum in the next races if it’s a flatter sea state.
@i4nm4c
@i4nm4c 42 минуты назад
Wait ... @MozzySails - how can I get the live feed you mention at 2:52.
@davidpicken6879
@davidpicken6879 2 часа назад
Thanks Mozzy, great stuff. Is it possible to find which team did the very best tack and / or very best gybe? Or a comparison of the best tack / gybe. That would certainly give us an insight into the teams potential.
@jimheaven
@jimheaven 5 минут назад
As a keen wingfoiler, I know that foils with better glide are trickier to manage in heavy seas. It’s clear to me that Ineos’ gains today were down to the characteristics of their foils in these specific conditions. So, be concerned! NZ have been gliding beautifully through their tacks in flatter seas, which gave them a clear advantage in the first four races. However, today’s rougher conditions made them uncomfortable. On the other hand, Ineos’ foils may have less glide overall, but they handle bigger seas better. When powered up, both teams’ foils are similar in speed, but the key difference is glide when the power drops (advantage NZ) versus stability in rougher seas (advantage Ineos). So, it seems the race outcomes are more about changing conditions and foil design rather than true performance improvements. I’d be very worried if the sea state calms down again, as that would play right back into NZ’s hands, unfortunately. Towards the end of race two, the sea state was improving, and NZ seemed to be getting more comfortable-and sure enough, they started pushing Ineos closely. Ominous!
@ValerioConceicao
@ValerioConceicao 49 минут назад
@MozzySails Who's Alex at 1:17? It was shocking to me watching Pete ignore all input from the team... and causing a disaster all by himself! 😬
@MozzySails
@MozzySails 44 минуты назад
Andy! Andy Maloney... starboard trimmer. His sister is Alex
@ValerioConceicao
@ValerioConceicao 38 минут назад
@@MozzySails So you were thinking about his sister while you were making the video!? 🤭 Thank you for the clarification... that's what I thought, but got a bit confused by the caption. Great comments as always! Keep on the excellent work! 👍
@johnmartin7158
@johnmartin7158 Час назад
Congrats Brits. We got done like a dinner in those 2 races. Kudos to Ineos Britannia. We lost the starts and hence it cost us 2 races. Cheers.
@davidharris8567
@davidharris8567 2 часа назад
Hope GB win this, no point in the defender winning it when they have no plans on bringing it back to NZ, seems pointless for them to retain it
@Jeff-e3n4e
@Jeff-e3n4e 2 часа назад
I’m a kiwi and disappointed that dalton and his backers took it away from NZ waters…….money at play. May the best boat win and bring the cup to defend in their own waters😊 is that not the tradition??
@bduyvesteyn
@bduyvesteyn 2 часа назад
There has to be something wrong with your windspeed data showing a VMG advantage to Ineos of 2.5 knots upwind? Clearly that's not the case... have you considered filtering the data based on the top 95% of both boats speed rather than looking at straight-line speed? When the boats are sailing together upwind, Ineos have not been running away at 2.5 knots faster...
@BRMCaptChaos
@BRMCaptChaos 2 часа назад
I think that’s about right, because crucially it redacts the tack data. Ineos is fast, ETNZ is great at manoeuvres, which can negate Ineos speed if they get ahead. In a drag race in clean air, I would expect Ineos to walk away, around the track ETNZ have shown the devastating advantage of efficiency in manoeuvre.
@bduyvesteyn
@bduyvesteyn 2 часа назад
@@BRMCaptChaos perhaps NZ is going into straight line sailing at lower VMG speed than Ineos and that’s distorting Mozzy’s data? 2.5 knots (Mozzy says significant advantage in speed is both up and downwind…) is 4.6kph which is around 1.5km for a 20 minute race. NZ are apparently saving 20m per upwind tack but nothing downwind. 10 upwind tacks in that race is 200m vs 1.5km per the “apparent VMG differential.” Doesn’t make sense to me.
@ruggericci
@ruggericci Час назад
it does not. lots of wishful thinking here, happens every time.
@jameslittle8891
@jameslittle8891 Час назад
Does that include the time ETNZ were sailing at 90 deg trying to get back on the foils? That would seriously distort the figures. No way is either boat that much better VMG wise as per the other comments. 7 sec finish delta in the 2nd race after 8 legs! As soon as Ineos had to engage more they lost distance, you can hear Burling on comms say “now they’re sailing our race”. Ineos are quick but ETNZ sailed cleanly is just that bit better overall. Looking forward to Friday!
@BRMCaptChaos
@BRMCaptChaos 45 минут назад
@@jameslittle8891 he (Pete) was referring to Ineos going into cover mode. I think the data was normalised for off foil time.
@JoSe-rl1wk
@JoSe-rl1wk 2 часа назад
I still believe the NZ have a stronger package but they looked pretty vulnerable today
@m1kalD
@m1kalD 2 часа назад
@@JoSe-rl1wk I'm not sure after the last three races. Ineos seems to have the proven ability to adapt and improve very quickly. And the Kiwis looked hampered in the confused sea state.
@charleswalters6064
@charleswalters6064 50 минут назад
I think this is in the balance now.
@miljenkomarinkovic838
@miljenkomarinkovic838 2 часа назад
It’s still 4-2… it looks difficult but doable, as we have seen. Go Britannia and set up a fair defense in the next cup.
@james_rangihika
@james_rangihika 11 минут назад
Coming back to Barcelona for the last of the races?
@lucac-fm4mc
@lucac-fm4mc 3 часа назад
It was so good to see King Ben winning. The 2nd start was insane, get in GBR 💪💪💪💪🤞🤞
@kiwijonowilson
@kiwijonowilson 58 минут назад
I think that overall there isn't much difference in boat speed between them, it mostly comes down to how well they sail. Team NZ sailed better than Inios on first 4 races and Inios better in last two races (possibly conditions suited them more also). Seems like Inios used the down time quite well in improving tactics and comms. Not sure what Team NZ has changed at this stage (no doubt something did). I'm predicting we are going to see plenty more close racing which I'm looking forward to!
@jamescrampton79
@jamescrampton79 2 часа назад
Is it possible for everyone to get access to this race data?
@MozzySails
@MozzySails 2 часа назад
Yes, all public. Link to charts in video description. Raw data can be found on americas cup noticeboard in JSON files
@giovannigaleotti2623
@giovannigaleotti2623 Час назад
Once again Ineos proves to be very fast in in big sea state......The British Navy needs to be constantly on parade just offshore and then the 100 Guineas Cup will come home!
@ScottSummerill
@ScottSummerill 2 часа назад
Who sailed the greater distance?
@bonvoyage5377
@bonvoyage5377 Час назад
Magellan
@graemehollings2461
@graemehollings2461 2 часа назад
Hope Ineos are paying you well
@bakters
@bakters Час назад
You are positively glowing. I'm so happy for you. I always supported ETNZ, but honestly, I wouldn't mind them being beat one more time... Happened before, they always come back.
@phillipmurray1724
@phillipmurray1724 3 часа назад
Love it! Dont hold back Mozzie this is your opportunity to unleash. Its been 90 years between wins, its time to celebrate brother. Long way to go of course but great to see a real contest. The Brits have been promising it and building it up and now they've shown it. Its all about the second race. Scratch the first one. here we go! 😃
@jandrewkennedy
@jandrewkennedy 2 часа назад
there hasn't been a win (yet)
@phillipmurray1724
@phillipmurray1724 2 часа назад
@@jandrewkennedy true that. Not the big one anyway but one must celebrate the little wins as they strive hard for the big one 😃
@TheUltimateWriterNZ
@TheUltimateWriterNZ 2 часа назад
The rose tinting is crazy
@phillipmurray1724
@phillipmurray1724 2 часа назад
@@TheUltimateWriterNZ hard! I guess for the AC nothing hurt more than sitting down in the cloud at the viaduct, taking all that time of work without the boss knowing, waiting to win the final race and it never happened...... 😁 What Spitall done was a miracle and the greatest comeback of any sporting feat in my opinion. So this time im hedging my bets 🤣 Until the fat lady sings that is.
@nicksimmons7234
@nicksimmons7234 2 часа назад
Ben didn’t go for a start attack that has failed 95% of the time.
@TheEnzedone
@TheEnzedone Час назад
Kiwis are finished. They’ve hit the performance gain ceiling, there’s nothing left. They knew it at the start of the finals but put on a brave face, knowing a strong start was necessary to blow the Brits confidence. They’ve failed. INEOS have won the data game, the kiwis have tanked.
@elisiva2583
@elisiva2583 Час назад
lol, because they only just lost 1 race?, ineos was gifted the first win
@peterfisher541
@peterfisher541 12 минут назад
How would you like to put yuh money where your mouth is
@alanthecat59
@alanthecat59 2 часа назад
😻😻😻😻😻😻
@tonymckeage1028
@tonymckeage1028 2 часа назад
Great Video, we have a competition! Thanks for sharing
@MozzySails
@MozzySails 2 часа назад
Thanks for watching!
@ScottSummerill
@ScottSummerill 2 часа назад
Maybe it's time to pull out your musical comms analysis. 😆
@MozzySails
@MozzySails 2 часа назад
😅
@michaelrosspearson9756
@michaelrosspearson9756 3 часа назад
Gifted the first one, ETNZ closed in on them in them in the secound.
@raymondc9896
@raymondc9896 3 часа назад
Yep, if they had one more lap they may have got them.
@lacelotte7385
@lacelotte7385 3 часа назад
A win is a win. Two wins are even better.
@m1kalD
@m1kalD 2 часа назад
I doubt the Kiwis would have overtaken. The Poms would have started to cover closer. On the race before these two on the Kiwis coms Nathan mentioned a few times that Ineos was pointing lower than them. Ineos seems to be doing the same thing as through the LV series..... continuously improving, do Etnz have enough in the tank to adapt like wise. Clearly beaten in the starts, faster over the line and able to control the Kiwis..... shame that boat is so ugly 😂
@Cider4144
@Cider4144 2 часа назад
Did ETNZ throw the race on purpose? Shall we give that first one back? Would you? All the results count however they come about. Pushing ETNZ into an error and foil drop off is just as valid as any other racing situation.
@Alfonso_111
@Alfonso_111 2 часа назад
​@@Cider4144what
@Silvius.2
@Silvius.2 31 минуту назад
First time kiwis not listen to everyone - telling need more speed was overruled by burling? And was there... Kiwis before was great taken every call as important. Sadly not listen about need for speed.
@adamizett3169
@adamizett3169 2 часа назад
LOL! Just like the last cup! The Kiwis are throwing races to try and make it interesting!~Its all about the money!
@stveloop9452
@stveloop9452 30 минут назад
Pete's face would tell you otherwise :D
@ScottSummerill
@ScottSummerill 2 часа назад
To beat the proverbial dead horse, that race 5 pre-start sure looked like race 3 with the roles reversed only no aggressive dial-down or near catastrophic collision. Umps blew race 3 penalty.
@humanafterall2076
@humanafterall2076 2 часа назад
Money, money, money. 7-0;doesn’t make money or create a future.
@jalimakila9394
@jalimakila9394 2 часа назад
I am afraid ETNZ was Playing a game today. Understandable on the big picture, but sportingly shamefull....
@m1kalD
@m1kalD 2 часа назад
@@jalimakila9394 what game was that?
@m1kalD
@m1kalD 2 часа назад
@jalimakila9394 what game?
@jesuschristt7692
@jesuschristt7692 2 часа назад
Candy crush?
@karl1808
@karl1808 Час назад
Yes , the same as they did to the Italians in the last series in Akl, gifted them two races
@m1kalD
@m1kalD Час назад
@@karl1808 time will tell.... I guess..... I hope that's the case, I fear it's not though
@silviosarunic6709
@silviosarunic6709 2 часа назад
When you have MERCEDES behind you … every thing is simple 😎
@barney2001
@barney2001 Час назад
I think the extra volume at the bow of Inios gives them a bit of a bounce up if they hit a wave while on foils. ENZ seems to be slowed more, even though they, like Luna Rossa, have a sharper entry. Good design. I was worried the series would be a blowout. That would ruin several years of following the teams, soaking up the information. So the wins today are wonderful. Don’t personally have a dog in the hunt so would be wonderful for the racing to stretch. If Inios win, where would be a good place to host the next cup? Cowes?
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