I probably should've realized he's a really awful guy sooner considering he chose to be buried in severed human ears, clutching a box full of dried eyeballs
I love gideon ofnir , he's a cunning, manipulative asshole but he's really cool and interesting. Even when he has to go fight you he sounds genuinely unhappy about it. Granted he's not exactly breaking down in tears or anything, but at this point in the game he definitely sees you as a comrade, I wish his boss fight was better
I think he still SLIGHTLY cares about Nepheli as he considers turning her into a puppet as a "waste of her potential," and he does sorta thank you for helping her out of her depression and making her lord of Stormveil.
It's like the opposite of a compliment sandwich. "I see you took my worthless pain in the ass kid off my hands. Thanks for taking care of her. Now get her out of my sight, she's a complete liability."
Gideon was a monster, but I loved every second I was talking to him and listening to him go on and on about the demi-gods was just so cool for me. It's also really cool to basically work alongside one of the antagonists and try to piece together the mysteries of the world.
He's alot like odin in ragnarok. I love that aspect too, he's so well performed too, the voice actor killed it. But he'll yeah I agree with this comment entirely
I really don't understand this "he's a monster" mindset unless you're willing to accept that your character is ALSO a monster. Going into foreign territory and slaughtering the indigenous people and fauna, looting what ever you please. Like all those children in Rennala's library, Killing the enslaved miners doing idle work for smithing stones If you completed the volcano manner questline then you betrayed numerous tarnished that were only guilty of helping other tarnished like yourself, like Tragoth. And at the end of Sellens questline you HAVE to choose to betray one of your former allies, either her or jerren. Maybe you didn't do it on all your playthroughs; but you had to have atleast once.... just to experience, just to see, just to KNOW what happens... in that sense, you seek to become All-Knowing aswell... And You NEED to betray Gurranq to beat the game in order to unbind the rune of death. At the end of the day, the road to Elden Lord is not paved with diplomacy and peace treaties, a crown is warranted with strength. Morgott said it best himself *"Thy kind are all of a piece, pillagers emboldened by the flame of ambition."*
@@sasaki999prothe comment is old but I would like to reinforce that that is a PRETTY interesting point. even in varre's quest, we are the ones that betray him, I really think more well-done quests (gameplay-wise) would enrich the game so much and wouldn't make the lore and the gameplay so separated from each other and thus adding more immersion to the game, because personally, I think that one of the things that kinda kills the new game plus for most people is the boredom that comes from only looting and killing everything that you see in such a massive world
As I see it there's two possibilities for Gideon's actions and speech in the end. First is that he actually peered into Radagon's will and mistook it for Marika's. Of course that would mean that Gideon doesn't know that Marika is radagon, and I don't know how to feel about that, this secret is right up his alley. The second possibility, which I'm leaning more towards, is that he actually did peer into Marika's will and what he found was so absurd that he was convinced it had to be a fluke. I'm basing this on his death monologue where he says that "a man cannot kill a god", which is marika's goal as we learn from hewg. The idea of slaying god was so impossible to him that he convinced himself it was a diversion to keep the tarnished fighting amongst themselves for eternity. In the end it's poetic that the man with the most information out of all people would reach the wrong conclusion.
I think Gideon peered into Radagon's will and misinterpreted as Marika's will, since it's a secret that Radagon and Marika are the same entity. Radagon is the one who'd rather preserve a fractured world rather than allow a tarnished to change things.
I love your interpetation of Seluvis' motivations in his falling out with Gideon, that's way more in character for both of them than the commonly assumed love triangle! Regarding the Queen's will, I agree with others when they say Gideon probably glimpsed Radagon's will and mistook it for Marika's. Aside from the fact Marika really seemed to have wanted a change of management (Hewg's curse, Gideon's comment about "the Queen's sorrow" for the Haligtree's predicament etc...), there's also the fact that, in the same vision, Gideon glimpsed "the end that should not be" in Marika's thoughts. After looking at a couple of different localisations, I agree with Sophie from SinclairLore when she suggests this "end" is the end of knowledge: a finite world with finite experiences, which would be the apex of Radagon's desperate quest for completeness. Given what happened to Marika and Radagon, I also doubt any of them is in a sane spot right now. Lastly, I think it's worth considering why exactly Gideon is so loyal to Marika, so much as to distrust the Two Fingers even at the apex of the Roundtable Hold. I suspect Gideon used to be Marika's spymaster and one of the original Tarnished along with Godfrey and Tragoth (a veteran of the Giants War). Gideon was both "Sir" and "All-knowing" when he was buried, long before Grace brought him back to life. I have this running theory that a lot of Elden Ring's characters echo one another, in a narrative device that's dear to both Miyazaki and Martin. I'm starting to suspect that, just like Gideon and Nepheli echo Marika and Godfrey, so Patches and Tanith echo how Gideon feels towards Marika. But this last point is truly unhinged speculation on my part.
@@TheHonoredMadman wym? He did after finishing Nepheli's questline, "I hear you helped get the girl back on her feet, though I'm not her foster father anymore" then he said thank you. I was kind of paraphrasing in my original comment.
Despite being the All Blowing, I do admit Gideon is an awesome character. Character-wise, he is someone you love to hate. Loved killing him during his monologuing, too.
It's Radagon's symbol that blocks us from entering the Erdtree. If Gideon received a message saying that the Tarnished should keep fighting instead of entering the Erdtree, it seems likely the one who put the barrier up in the first place sent it.
I believe Gideon only used spells from bosses you’ve defeated before him in his bossfight - implying he doesn’t know all of them outright, but learns them from you/looting their stuff after you tell him where they are and clear the way.
Damn I did not notice that detail, nice catch, I think my problem was that I had killed all the other demi gods by the time I fought gideon so I just assumed he knew them all, but as you said like after we defeated them first he leached the knowledge
@@TheHonoredMadman yeah I fought him earlier and then looked at videos of the bossfight on RU-vid and was like “hey he never did the thing.” I’d have to replay to confirm this 100% because it could have been a fluke, but maybe someone else documented this.
@@TheHonoredMadman fextralife says the blood and rot spells he uses are only unlocked if he’s told of Mohg/Malenia respectively, Comet Azur if you don’t finish Sellen’s questline, everything else he has. So I guess you were right in him knowing a bunch of stuff beforehand but he does also learn new tricks based on what the player does
Not only is Ofnir one of the names Odin went by, Odin was also a god of knowledge and the All-Father. And when you combine those two, you get the all-knowing
I think you misunderstood Dolores's character. Seluvis is shown to haaaate Gideon. Why do you think he would go first after his best friend and then his adopted daughter? Gideon already knows about Seluvis' schemes. He's already disgusted by him. This narrative further deepens when you consider Gideon also hates Albinaurics, and Seluvis is implied to be a puppet himself controlled by Pidia. Gideon himself appreciated Dolores' criticism and input. She was a St Trina priest. He needed her to get him info on Miquella.
In my head Dolores told Seluvis she didnt need to criticize him like Gideon because Seluvis's plans were shitty, and he puppetted her because he was insulted. Also Gideon only knows all the magic because of you. If you finish Haligtree, Blood palace etc. is when he learns the place's magic. Skip the extra stuff and his arsenal is much more limited.
one cool thing in his post demi god dialogues I hear was an interesting comment about Miquella and the state of the haligtree "So The Haligtree, now but a husk... I heard speculation Miquella embedded himself in the Haligtree, but before he could finish, someone cut the tree open and absconded with his infant form. Indeed, it seems those words held weight. How vexing. That the All-knowing didn't have the full story... Perhaps the Queen's sorrow was justified" Gideon made it seem as if the Haligtree was actually a plan of Marika's; Maybe to start anew after disposing of the Golden Order and Elden Beast. Miquella and Radagon were said to be close. Miquella was working on ways to oppose the outter god's influence. I wonder if it was all connected somehow. the Tarnished, the Haligtree, Marika breaking the Elden Ring...I think Radagon was also in on it of course being under Marika's control initially but fell under the control of the Elden Beast when Marika was crucified on the broken Elden Ring so it wasn't even him fighting us or trying to repair the Elden Ring it was the Elden Beast working him as a puppet. *or* he got cold feet last minute and tried to rebel against Marika's plans. Gideon was described as being scared of what he saw as being her Vision and Hewg mentions something about the terror of her.. Reasonable to assume Radagon also was like *nah fuck that* and tried to make friendly with the Elden Beast.
This is very interesting. Especially when I cross reference it with this running theory I've had that some commenters have been helping me with, so basically the idea was that Marika created radagon to replace her as vessel, then charged hewg with building a weapon that can kill a God, radagon science project worked alittle too good and he tried to stop her from breaking the ring, which trapped them both in the inner tree, but I wonder if her plan had worked, like if the Tarnished came back and killed radagon with hewgs weaponry, where would she be? Free of the greater will entirely, so it stands to reason that the haligtree, which was this new alternative to the erdtree, and miquellas own issues with golden order, it's very possible the haligtree was marikas ides or inspired but marikas ambitions
I personally think in the last fight Gideon was stalling us and everything he was saying was just a distraction. Why was he stalling us? Simple he was there with Godfrey. My read of the events is that Godfrey showed up and Gideon immediately glommed on to him. The reason is obvious, Godfrey is at a level Gideon can't begin to stand on. Rather than fight the once and soon to be again Elden Lord, Gideon could serve as his council. Gideon was either instructed or decided to stay behind where we find him to deal with any stragglers while Godfrey gains an audience when we roll up. Gideon isn't sure he can beat us based on everything he knows about us but he feels sure we can't beat Godfrey. So he tries to talk us out of it. Even in death he just thinks we will only get in the way. Why do I think this, Gideon is standing waiting for us when he run into. He isn't trying to get anywhere he's waiting for folks to walk up. There is nothing between Gideon and Godfrey therefor there is no reason Gideon wouldn't have advanced if he believed he could be Lord. New Tarnished are taken to the Roundtable Hold when they arrive in the Lands Between and Godfrey in his cutscene admits he pretty much just got here. His arrival sparked Gideon to abandon the hold rather than stick around collecting info like he said he would. Also there is a weird technicality in what he says when he dies, about a man not being able to slay a God. Godfrey is indeed a tarnished but let's not forget that Godfrey was a trailblazer, not just the First Tarnished but also the First Demi-God. I think this counts in Gideon's assessment.
I’m not convinced that Giddeon is necessarily a villain. He clearly understands things and has knowledge that the player can’t comprehend, which is eluded too in the description of his gear.
Gideon was always this great source of info for me cause I never watched anything before I played so I trusted him completely then I get to the Lyndell finally after whooping malikeths ass (the dude on the horse before him was hell) I just went straight for the erd tree and then my man my main homie pulls up saying I'm not shit I then deleted him in 2 seconds but man I was like Gideon you always knew I was gonna be elden Lord why fight me why make me do this
I just wanna point out that the throns keeping us out of the erdtree have Radagons seal on them, meaning he might actually the one who's preventing the elden ring from being repaired.
I think his stepping in when he did was his best option to become elden lord and I think this nonsense about “the will of Queen Merika” is bullshit he uses as an excuse. He can’t let you get further before trying to stop you because he knows if you do, you’ll be too powerful, as you’re likely already to powerful for him to stop now, but you moved too fast for his plans.
Makes plenty of sense that Gideon would have everyone do the dirty work - there can only be one Elden Lord after all. Every Tarnished is fighting endlessly to become that, incapable of dying and always coming back unless they lose their grace and die permanently. When he decides there's no point in becoming Elden Lord anymore for whatever reason (This was the divine plan to struggle all along/you can't kill a God/he saw Hora Loux or the Elden Beast and didn't wanna fuck with him, etc) he just straight up dies and never comes back. Nothing to fight for, no more guidance of grace because in the end his reason for existing became to perpetuate the struggle.
I like Gideon as a part of the game because he was actually useful on the first play through with the information he gives. That being said, he’s a dick that I would never want to get a W ever
Also I'm gonna rewatch this XD he's an interesting character for sure MGS4 is the only game (on PS3, at least 😅) I've ever played thru 15+ times. I wish I could replay it - pretty sure I might still have access to those old saves ... MGSV is also really good fun. Number 3 is worth playing for the story, but I did find the controls troubling going back 10 years later The first two games are too hard for me😅🤣
So I love 4 and 5, also love 1, 2 is good but I'm not super big on the controls, so here's the thing for me about mgs3 I tried to replay it last year and felt its controls aged bad or were clunky but I started again the other day and I found it really easy to get back into, I think the problem came from Me having just played mgs5 and peacewalker last year and trying to go back to mgs3 after all those controls were in my head haha.
@@TheHonoredMadman ohh hell yeah man! I remember playing it back in the PS2 days and it was mind-blowing to younger!me, I'd never played a game like it. Kojima and Miyazaki both are such interesting characters and creative geniuses imo, I'm glad we have them in this timeline. XD
Metal gear 3, easy. Love the survival aspect and the setting. The big boss fight at the end is one of my all time favorites right behind The End's. Great video!
So for various reasons the puppet you call Delores I am still convinced is Boc the Seamster's old body or something, but I think they have the same hat because they are connected.
@@TheHonoredMadman If i recall I can only think of it on the wandering nobles, but other things led me to that conclusion, I do think many names and characters we have can be attributed to one actual being though, much like real world religion and its history. I think Miquella is many of these characters and likely both his parents, because it should be incredibly suspicious we are given the info of Marika's children in a land where we know birth is not the same, yet the whole community just imagined a normal child and parent relationship was canon.
Gideon is a ganking host who lets his overleveled friends beat the level till he dcs cus "evil red man ruined my pve experience, hardswapping breaks the immersion"
Am I the only one that thinks Gideon Ofnir should have had some sort of cut scene ending like maybe right behind Miquella as a close second. You being called out in the games intro and all.
If Radagon wanted someone to repair the ring and "perpetuate the cycle," then why is it his rune keeping us out of the tree and why is he one of the last people trying to beat our ass in the game? We're there to fix the ring. At least, in most endings. So why is he trying to stop us? This question has to be dealt with even regardless of Gideon, though. I'd say, given how confusing Marika and/or Radagon's motivations are, we should take Gideon's claims about Marika's plans seriously. It's one of the few hints we have.
Sir Gidoen is an interesting character with the weakest boss fight and somewhat unique weapon. Lowering both the user and enemy resistance with an AOE with the whole eye motif is somewhat cool. Just a flat character in the grand scheme of things, plus his servant/bodyguard is lame. Lame weapon, armor and no purpose other then invading you. I wish there was more fleshing out on his motives, but then again I could say the same thing about Maliketh and I really him despite his incomplete questline. It would be funny if you return to the round table only to see Gideon waiting in his room giving you some excuse while you cannot attack him since game rules.
Did I hallucinate this or doesn't Gideon have a rare dialog where he suggests that the Tarnished should do something really nasty and creepy with the Mini-Ranni doll? I swear I saw that on RU-vid.
I cant believe Im going to type this but you should check out Hogwarts Legacy, im a die hard souls player never touched anything related Hairy Potter but holy shit the game is cool. Its the only game I can say is as good as Elden Ring.
