Sith Confuses Jedi With The Light Side 

Just like me every fuckin AI game : ah I took down an entire capital, time to declare peace Edit: this is true btw, steel and flesh, someone declared war (AI) I took down their capital and paid to peace, then I also took down an entire faction and made peace

Can’t forget rule 35, peace is good for business

@@humanbeing1931 Or rule 34, War is good for business.

@Naveen KV You've never watched Star Trek before. That's the original rule 34.

@Naveen KV I'm well aware that you were. I was trying to be a smartass.

I love it, they just cant wrap their head around the premise that not everyone in the Empire is a complete Psycho, I mean how do they think their society is running?

My LS Sith Inquisitor sparing everyone got incredible reactions ranging from early "You're a terrible Sith. You'll probably die soon, softhearted weakling." all the way until the late game "Such power you have, and yet you show cunning restraint... it must be a brilliant ploy to ingratiate countless fighters to you for sparing them...."

My inquisitor was merciful short of betrayal & untrustworthiness. Was punishable by choke or shock, & in extreme cases, death.

@@JB-xl2jc I mean... that was the reasoning behind half of my light side choices on inquisitor...

Playing Light Sith and Dark Jedi are both equally fun and rewarding

definitly the best grey force user character since revan himself just so many epic moments such as the oasis cave nothing beats a jedi saying you a SITH LORD radiate the light and compassion more then a jedi master who is revealed to be so consumed by hate he might as well be a true sith

I always said. Sith use their emotion for power. Jedi use serene detachment. There are a lot of positive emotions, you just need therapy tbh

I've done the light-side Sith Inquisitor storyline, maybe one of these days I'll get back on SWTOR and try the light side warrior...

@@evknucklehead so is swtor and kotr more so for the storylines for you? The gameplay I find rather dull and I’m not one for having a million buttons to remember…just wondering if I’ll have a good time with this game if I approach it as grinding for story?

@@scottcampbell1635 Yes, it is entirely playable as a solo story game, and almost every class story is worthwhile. You could choose not to interact with other players at all and still have a great time

Other Jedi: ...finally, someone with a lick of sense. Let's sit down and- Jedi: NO! SITH ARE EVIL AND BAD AND WRONG! Other Jedi: ...oh my.

@@Nehfarius Seems like the Jedi are banking on the Sith's reputation for violence as being justification to indulge in their own rampant bloodlust.

@@Nehfarius Only Siths deal in absolutes

So uncivilized

@@rimurutempest4945 I think the entire code of the Jedi would disagree. It seems quite absolute: There is no emotion, there is peace. There is no ignorance, there is knowledge. There is no passion, there is serenity. There is no chaos, there is harmony. There is no death, there is the Force.

Xylixx: GET BACK HERE AND FIGHT US Sith: nah Xylixx: graaaaaaaagh

Xylixx, servant of the REEEEEEEE-public

Tis always my favorite to go lightside sith warrior it confuses the Jedi to all hell! Jedi: fight us Sith: Nah! Jedi: Wait what? Sith: may the force be with you I'm out. Jedi: WHAT?

@@OthelloSilvermoon NOMAN KAAAAAARR, THE MEAN SITH WON'T PLAY WITH MEEEEEE

@@aaron75fy Noman Karr *confused screaming*

It's like the can't handle a reasonable Sith it cause mass confusion or something. Sith: And than the Jedi fell to the darkside, Master Baras: who are you so wise in the way making Jedi fall still gonna try to kill you later but please teach me your ways.

@@OthelloSilvermoon Sith: Oh please, just use reason and appear as if you were following the light. They will go nuts over a reasonable sith.

Have a nice day is perfect

@@KamikazeMedias I can't add anything to this!

obiwan: finally, a civilized sith lord

@@OfficerHotpants Actually there is a jedi ability call electric justice which is essentially jedi force lightning

@@shadowxxe Which A) isn't cannon anymore (as of yet) and B) was only something that was discovered during the new republic era and beyond.

@@fallendeus5641 actually it was discovered atleast as early as 1000BBY as it was listed in a list of forbidden Jedi abilities during that time also SWTOR isn't canon either so it doesn't matter

“I'm bad, and that's good. I will never be good, and that's not bad. There's no one I'd rather be than me.” ― Darth Wreck-it-Ralph

@@henrikmonkee I remember that line! That's what he said right before he killed the younglings with DarkLord Shrek-chan

You mean the fine sith who probably died before becoming one

yep lol

Most Jedi in this game are pretty zen, the ones that are more vicious stand out precisely because that’s not what a Jedi is supposed to be.

@@ThePa1riot even if they’re not viscous most Jedi you encounter are kinda railroaded into fighting you either because the dialogue wheel doesn’t give you an option that doesn’t pick a fight or because the Jedi automatically assume you’re trying to trick them or throw them off their game.

fine sith? i doubt he would even survived the slugs during the korriban trials

Master Timmns is a MUCH better example. Uldin made the mistake of claiming he was stronger than you. That's basically a guarantee to get my Sith to prove you wrong. Master Timmns doesn't do any of that nonsense. He's a true Jedi and the one who made a big impression on my Sith Warrior. He was a pretty major part in my story.

You seem to forget Nomen Karr turns bad too, ranting about the glory of defeating Baras.

@@suicune2001I mean, Uldin is just a Jedi knight while Timms is a Jedi master, there is a difference

@@pogggaming4470 There doesn't seem to be. Most of the Masters we've come across are arrogant and claim to be stronger than you. My character just let it slide with Uldin since he was otherwise very reasonable, even after he got his butt kicked. Plus, my character wanted to plant that seed of doubt in him.

very few jedi in this game are what jedi should be as an idea.

Innacurate, they didn't argue for 3 days over Twitter about the NAP and increasingly unrealistic scenarios, only to cave and bring out the ol' reliable "you're not a real libertarian"

Egoist Smuggler: "Hippity Hoppity your property is now my property." Jedi & Sith: "Wait no that's illegal."

Ahh man I love this comment.

That’s a good point, but say I were to detonate my recreational nuke and you were to get caught in the blast radius, now that would just be _such a shame,_ wouldn’t it?

@@0th_Law Smuggler: *Kicks Jedi and Sith in the testicles*

its the most terrfying thing to the jedi because it threatens there very belifs the very idea that the dark side is so unstoppable that anyone who uses it MUST become evil and cruel meaning the entire jedi way of life could be entirly wrong at least to someone first incoutering a light side sith

I always knew that card was of the Dark Side

The one you say im a better jedi than you are?

@@joaquinmarichal Yes

Nice lungs he has there.

@@501ststormtrooper9 Vette approves

He gets so pissy about it it's glorious. I did the first time as a moderately light-sided sith and I loved it. Greatly recommend

My light side Corruption Sorc: Uh….huh…..

Sounds like someone is dealing in absolutes.

@@eray97 only a sith deals in absolutes. Anakin: "jedi hypocrisy, but it's Kenobi and he's cool"

-Who are you to lecture us on the light side?! -Someone you’re actively trained not to be?

It's a marauder.

But doesn't that make more sense in terms of Sith ideology? Trickery and deceit is of the sith, so it makes sense that sith would appear to be light when it suits their needs. Like good palps.

@@ilke3192 But it doesn't let play an honest sith. Like maybe I'm actually a good guy, or maybe I'm a honest trickster, the most devious of all :D

@@KarmasAB123 Ah, I see your point. I had initially wrongly assumed that you meant somethimg along the lines of 'moral sith', which...Let me just say that I find the notion of 'moral sith' disturbing.

@@ilke3192 but why couldn't you be a moral sith? yeah, the kind of sith you see in the main movies are evil selfish pricks; but the teachings of the dark side are all about embracing emotions and using your power. No one ever said you couldn't use that power for 'morally good' things. and honestly the Jedi aren't very 'moral' either. Stealing children and teaching them their every emotion is only a tool at best but most times is a dangerous enemy to be quashed. and if their handling of anakin is any indication they certainly dont believe in actually teaching them HOW to quash that dangerous emotion.

to be fair a light side sith shows that misconception that one must be a evil monster to be a sith when in reality at its core ideal it simply means a force user who takes power in and indulges there emotions its up to the user and there self controll of what emotions are used and how much controll over them you have

He's a fine example of a Jedi

He was terrible. It was the wrong decision. They were at war and it's his job to stick to his guns and make them not at war by fully expiring Sith motivations, and pulling him out of the Empire of death. And then go smack those warcriming senators upside the head.

Jedi Master: Indeed it is, Padawan. *ignites red lightsaber*

Jedis are really funny drama queen material

Sith: Thank you, that's all I needed to hear! May the Force be with you. Jedi Knights:...F*ck.

you: sophisticated comment me: lightsaber go brrrr

@@hiddio my social skills in a nutshell.

Yeah, a shame the scene lets you start it one way but forces you to end it this way. I've not played the game, and don't know the lore behind what a pure blood Sith is, but it'd be a really interesting story to see told fully. Following someone raised in Sith ideals and philosophy, who instead goes on to not only be a paragon of the light, but school and positively influence the Jedi order on how to better follow it, despite facing persecution.

Pureblood Sith are an alien species that are, ironically hybrids of the original alien sith species which were naturally gifted in the dark side and human Jedi who fell to the dark side. Much of Sith culture came from the purebloods even long after they went extinct at the hands of the Jedi.

I think they didn't bother going down that road because true light side sith are too often rejected and killed by the Sith order. A proper light side sith is one who actually cares for the empire and seeks to do what's right for it, but will absolutely get his hands dirty to make it happen if that's what it takes. A true light side sith is largely based in Machiavellian philosophy of good and evil not being black and white, but rather dependent on the outcome. Consider, for example Darth Marr, he is absolutely a dedicated sith, but always seeks what's best for the empire above his own selfishness, unlike most sith.

Rdr2 😩

Xith: "Very well, Jedi... Draw four, and blue." Zylixx: "DAMN IT-"

I visualised the Jedi provoking the Sith into a Yu-Gi-Oh duel reading that :')

Jim Boy Calloway. Fasest left handed lightsabre duelist in the Sith

Ortan Cela: *I stabbed him in the back... I stabbed him in the goddamn back!* Veshikk: Well these things happen-

Yes the close thing we get to that on film is Luke in return of the Jedi No look at Disney that Luke was not luke anymore

You would have to have a pretty strong will to avoid being seduced by the power of the dark side, theres. A reason the Jedi strip emotion. Imagine having all that power and losing your temper. This is why Yoda says those thing lead to .the dark side. Like really really imagine if you yourself just gained that power, it would give you a new sense of confidence, you wouldn't suffer fools. I personally think mediation and basically calming down the ego that would come with power is better than having it fuel your passions. But that's only my opinion.

The dark side is it's own drug, some just have more decorum than others to not give into impulse. There's a reason a grey Jedi doesn't exist, because it's against the dichotomy of the Force. The ones that do are either exiled, by others or themselves, so as to avoid entanglements in the rest of the universe, or they eventually see themselves fully embrace the dark side. The universe simply won't allow it, at least not for very long.

@@christopherclough559 the best method which is kind shown in SWTOR light sith paths is to combine the mantra of the jedi and sith use your emotions but temper them with logic and discpline and training basically do not be a warlord like a syth or a reluctant monk forced to fight like the jedi but be like a knight striving for the best while tempering onesself like a blade

@@ArcNine9Angel there are plenty of grey force users they just arnt united like the sith and jedi many sith and jedi were grey force users such as mace windu who used a grey technquie were he channeled his dark emotions then tempered them with the lightside to make him a better fighter and empower his lightsaber technquies. Yoda also could use such gray technquies as he discoverd the truth of the force threw a anicent ritual on his home world were he fought his inner darkness made real realizing the only way to stop it was to ACCEPT IT as part of himself and so the true nature of the force not light not dark but both in equalibrium or unity.

That’s why I’m playing a sith warrior with honor atm I follow the dark side but not a full sociopath but at that moment he repents and starts following the light eventually siding with Jedi in dlc clips I’ve seen

I play mine as a cool and aloof guy. He is superior to everyone else because he is Sith, but he doesn't hold it against everyone else for not being Sith. He doesn't bother with the overly emotional crap because it takes energy to get worked up and makes controlling power harder, so it just seems pointless and self-defeating. It helps that his voice is pretty chill.

its my favourite thing to me it someones who indluges and takes power from there emotions but tempers them with the light making a sith warrior close to a grey force user then true sith

I remember when I first played this class. That story arc legitimately made me change my mind at being dark side.. Sith warrior's story in the first half of the game is fucking amazing.

Being neutral Sith Warrior is awesome. Though I think I heard you can have Zyldix convert to becoming a Sith.

@@KingNazaru fuck that. I don’t follow the light or the dark. I follow my own path. I’ll be lenient and give him multiple warnings but since he insists on fighting. I’ll give him one and then kill.

@@KingNazaru close enough, you can either talk him into joining, or into 'considering his life's goals'. Works on neutral sith too

i love being neutral; it even leaves space to self insert to make childhood dreams come true

Man I always adored how freaking confused people are if you play a "nice" Sith.

Why use brain when you got force lightning ;)

Yawn* bzzzt

inquisitors be like: ha ha Lightning go brrrrrr

Well, Inquisitors are basically the '' SS '' of the Sith's. They are not out there to argue, but to literally exterminate. The Warrior is basically the Military Army branch.

The warrior is also spoon fed opportunity after opportunity, he is basically Fon, he is pushed ahead of his normal trials and only survives Baras because he is stronger than his rival otherwise Baras would of killed him. Unlike the inquisitor the warrior actually learns a thing or two from his master and it alludes to prior training before Tremel brings you to Korriban, the inquisitor is literally a newbie fresh out of slavery and knows 0 about how to be a sith, his master doesn't actually teach him anything because she only sees him as a host, Zash only starts really trying to teach him anything after being trapped. The inquisitor has to claw is way up from nothing to become one of the most powerful sith, their story more alludes to them becoming a Palpatine like figure as they gain more knowledge and power

There is another encounter with a fully fledged jedi master on a prison planet. If you are a lightside and very patient sith warrior he will leave you as a friend and share his experience with the order. Later on you receive a friendly mail from him.

The most likely wisdom he would be given is, a Sith like that is still someone who could potentially denounce the Dark Side and return/turn to the Light Side which means not provoking them into going down a path of darkness by fighting when they don't care for it is the optimal choice

Lord momin doesnt believe that

@@jeronimomartinezcalsina7690 XD

A true Jensaraii/Imperial Knights moment

I always play LS Sith, Warrior and Inquisitor. Sith draw power from their emotions...I just use the positive ones. Love, compassion, hope, curiosity, happiness.

@@JDSleeper And the irony? The Jedi reject those while giving them lip service! You know their code: There is no emotion. As for your Light Sith plays, got any videos or playlists? I wanna see everything you've got!

@@JDSleeper I always got more of a "disgruntled middle-ranking officer" vibe from the LS Sith Warrior. Like he's obviously not "Good" just because he LS, he's still against democracy, still believes in the Empire, and his "Merciful" dialogue still usually only boils down to giving the enemy a polite warning to choose peace before killing them for not listening. So... Not "good", but definitely a breath of fresh air. Like the LS Sith is grumpy, angry, and has authority issues out the ass, definitely lacks the temperament of a Jedi, but where a LS Jedi is like some mythologized Knight holding the line, predominantly restrained and on the defensive, a LS Sith is more of an "Impassioned Crusader" mythologized. Genuinely well-meaning and well-intentioned, honorable and more than fair, but aggressive and on the front lines waging war for whatever cause riled up said passion and not taking anyone's shit.

@@patchwurk6652 A good quote to sum LS Warrior up is 'The Sith deserve a better Empire, but the Empire also deserves better Sith.'

@@JDSleeper I agree and also negative emotions like anger can be a weapon, if you can control it. Otherwise you can get lost in it. True power of any weapon comes from the heart but only if it is controlled by the mind. And the Sith is a weapon.

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I'm confused by the amount of comments saying this. You literally pick a sith in the beginning, so it would make no sense contextually to add that to the game.

I prefer Lanas reason and calmness. Vette is a little over the top for my taste.

Vette is the best, she reminds me so much of Mission from Kotor (and yes I know same VA and similar looks) Who was one of my favorite characters.

@@AzureKyle She really is. Honestly Vette is the only companion I will romance with the Sith Warrior. I just wish they added same sex romance for the class companions so I can romance Vette as a female not just a male character. Oh well lol

@@codywhite6337 Yeah, I started my Jugg as a DS character, but then after meeting Vette, roleplayed in my head that she turned him to the Light.

@@AzureKyle Nice! Man I cannot wait for the new expansion to launch soon. It is going to be a lot of fun

Dark Jedi is also interesting I found, loved it

I agree! Dart Marr and Lana Beniko are one of my favorite characters

@@Ancelle_art acina is also pretty cool in her way, under her rule, the sith empire became much more tolerant and open to change. they abandoned their prejudice against non humans and judging by the likes of major anri, a great many slaves were freed and allowed to have careers in the imperial military.

I love Darth Marr

The Senate did

this reply is underrated@@tuxness

Play to your strengths and keep those useful more alive. It's what Bariss does ironically enough.

Darth bane is good in this thema. He teach his apprantice, that you should only kill a person, when this lead to a profit for you. A useless person now, can become usefull in the future.

Sith are kind of evil.

@@grimlord3181 Well yeah in general canon. But one can argue being a "grey jedi" is being a sith. To understand one's emotions and not limit them. However most become drunk off the fact that the dark side gives them so much power. But a sith with temperance is much more dangerous in the long term than a psychopath.

The Canon is that what defines the Dark side id is selfishness and defying the will of the force for the sake of personal power vs the jedi who are meant to listen to and follow the will of the force even if it means separating themselves from their humanity. If you determine the will of the force to be the greater good than Jedi are good guys and sith are bad. If you don't than honestly both sides taken to extremes suck and true good would be somewhere in the middle. Capable of working for the good of more than oneself without losing oneself or your ability to form attachments with others(something both sides oddly agree on destroying). Thus is why the concept of a "gray jedi" is so appealing to people.

I agree. and with SW dark side choice actually make you play as a braindead waagh berserk who should NOT have survived up to this point. Because of how much evidence of his actions he leaves and how unsubtle he is. He would get executed by any high ranking sith....

thats mostly because while the sith and jedi code actually come across as ideals to be followed, dark and light side are presented as moral extreems; and we tend to think of the ultimate evil as someone who selfishly and indecriminately throws away lives because 'lol that was badass'; and not the long game of slowly gaslighting and emotionally starving small children so that one day they fanatically follow your every word - I mean...

the "canons" for the characters does show that the canon light side sith warrior as just that someone who was brilliant and powerfull yet more noble and compassionate then any sith before him Lord Wrath ironically was very unlikely to be blindidly wrathfull

Yeah wait, why is the only Dark option killing the idiot? It's way way way more Sith to actively turn them.

Remember: Movies are just Jedi propaganda!

not really the case here

CHAOS WILL CONSUME ALL!!!