Dave, Miles and Joey interview Lake Speed Jr to analyze the best way to build, break in, and maintain engines for the best performance. Check out Lake Speer Jr’s oil analysis here - www.speediagnostix.com/shop/p...
@themotoroilgeek I was a fan of your Dad in racing. He was the king of doing a lot with so little. He also raised a great son. I was and Automotive tech for over 50 years and a race fan and a short track racing engine builder for most of that time. I love listening to people who know their job and back it up with test results and technical skill. You seem to be so passionate and not just a career. Not many of people like you around any longer. You also always seem to be happy with your life. That is a bonus! I believe that you were at Gibbs when Toyota started in Nascar. The Camshaft failures they had seem to have had was a huge problem and it appeared that the Driven motor oils seem to have helped. That says a lot. Thank goodness we have roller lifters in NASCAR now. Keep up the passion and intelligence as it makes you a rare person these days.
Thanks for going out to Utah and meeting with Dave and the crew while you were there. And Lake you do a great job making tribology easy for us to understand and all of the Information gained from Science Sir. I'm scared thinking about getting my 2005 6.0l back on the road, it has been sitting for 11 months due to me having a fall. But I need to get going again.
With the cost of new cars and maintenance through the life of the vehicle, the cost of maintenance and oil changes is diddly squat compared to having a new engine built. Same thing applies to transmissions and brake systems. Maintenance and fluid changes are going to save you money hands down in the long run.
In the 2 years since I bought my brand new Toyota, I’ve done 4 oil changes in 8,500 miles because of the conditions I drive in. Short trips 6 days a week. If you pull the dipstick out and the oil is dark, it will be solid black when you pull the drain plug out. I don’t let my vehicles get to that point, so I will assume that I can get 300k miles on the original engine. ????
"There are no secrets, there's just stuff I don't know." That is the million dollar quote. Never lose your curiosity, be a life long learner; regardless of whether you dig ditches or launch space craft, stay curious and teachable.
We are naturally curious. As young kids, we ask all kinds of questions. Never discourage a curious kid from asking questions. Never tell a kid you ask too many questions.
20:45 During my US Army service ('92-'02) we routinely parked our M998 High-Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicle [HMMWV] “humvees" under camouflage netting and LEFT THEM IDLING for WEEKS (running radio racks). I was shocked at this until I learned about AOAP-the Army Oil Analysis Program. Test tubes were regularly sampled and sent to the Army labs that performed spectrometric and ferrographic analysis. Fascinating. Once at a National Guard moto pool we unintentionally left a dump truck running when we locked the gates and went home for the month. FOUR WEEKS LATER we opened the gates and it was still running; hard use indeed!
I appreciate you put yourself on camera and said "this is what I do, tell me if it's right or wrong, and why". And there were honestly a thing or two he asked you to adjust. Some places would never let that see the light of day. However, it makes me respect your work more! If my engine builder isn't learning, their product isn't getting better
Yep. totally agree ! it's cool 😎 to see Them Learning too ! & then Putting that knowledge to the test to see if it actually pans out in the real world. Us Being the Flys on the Wall is incredible !
@@maxnovakovics2568 How about your mentality of lumping people into groups of perceived behaviors instead of thinking of people as individuals? Can that fade out too?
The insatiable hunger for knowledge is what makes/keeps these guys great. No ego, no shortcuts, just seeking the best way to construct a product. Awesome job.
Are you for real? The amount of ego stroking they were doing to each other took up so much of the video I gave up trying to find the part about motor oil.
@@ebaziukis it fair to say your not a subscriber? I’m guessing it’s fair to say you’re a cliff note kinda guy vs a full documentary kinda guy! Nothing wrong with being a cliff note guy, just recognize the content ur watching b4 bashing them ! They were doing nothing more than a question and answer. Dave clearly had two or three ahah moments in this video where he realized they were doing something wrong, if he was trying to puff his chest out and inflate his ego he would have edited those moments out!
@@kenwillis8487 Right I'm not a subscriber I did a search for something and the headline advertised to answer that question... It felt like a bait and switch, I ran out of patience and time before they got past the circle jerk.
Smart engineer is a lifelong teacher and a learner, always teaching the principles behind machine manufacturing and design, and learning about service and reliability from the techs
Absolutely yes. If all drivers/ customers would check their oil when they fuel up, we would sell more than half as many engines. What happened to the days of "full service" gas stations? They did this job for you.
"Full service" was too good to last , I still try to inform about it. I was chastising a smart ass⚗ usician w/no oil showing on his dipstick! " ..do you know what this means?" , I said. He said, "yeah, it means I need a longer dipstick!"
Anytime I see Lake Speed Jr in a video I click play, added bonus when it’s on Dave’s channel, you know it’s gonna be full of great information!! Thank you guys!!
I used oil analysis when I was an owner operator. The condition of the oil tells you so much about the condition of your engine. I never experienced a single catastrophic failure in millions and millions of miles of operation. Your oil tells you what is wrong well before any kind of failure and you can get it scheduled for repair in plenty of time. We used 1 micron oil filtration and sampled every 15000 miles on our MBE4000s and made engines everyone told me would die around 850,000 miles all run 1.5-2 million miles before rebuilding. We bought them around 550-600k miles and ran them as team trucks. Most reliable trucks I ever owned.
Yep, I worked on aircraft for years and you run UOA on everything from engines to gearboxes and hydraulic systems. On my own car I send a sample every 5th oil change, which is around 20k miles as I like 4k intervals the best out of all the duration I tried (best balance between oil life vs the cost for my driving). For the $35 is costs to have tested, its way cheaper than letting a bearing spin or something like that.
@@arc00ta The CFM-56 engine that powers the KC-135R and commercial aircraft has an average time on the wing of 30,000 hours before a shop visit due to world-class bearings and strict UOA schedules.
I just got hooked up with a 4 pack oil test kit from Amsoil for like $120. They contract out the oil analysis to Polaris and write up a customer report too. This way I know what to expect. My truck runs 80WHP/100WTQ over stock at higher boost pressures. To keep it solid for the long run you got to put in the extra work. Plus, selling it later for top dollar goes I long way with receipts.
@@cdsmit27 Cat engineer at the filter plant told me that less than 2 microns starts to strip additives out of the oil, but this O/O seems to have made it work…
52 years and still at it. I know what works as far as oil changes, the type of oil I use and the importance of maintenance. I also educate my customers..or what you learn dies with you.
@Alex-nb6rm Alright, then don't watch or listen. Since you clearly don't care about education or the right to repair. Let the rest of us who want to learn, learn.
I did oil analysis all the time on my Freightliner. One time it picked up a lot of potassium which they use as road salt around here. After looking around I discovered the shop left a turbo intake clamp loose, so it was sucking in road spray. Without oil analysis I would have went all winter without knowing, leading to the engine getting dusted and worn out.
@@Will97675 I used the local Caterpillar Heavy Equipment dealer. Cat has their own lab. They sell prepaid sample bottles, fill it up, fill out the form. Then dropped off at the dealer. The lab emailed the results within four days.
100% Facts! I religiously change my conventional oil and filter on my 97 Lexus ES 300 every 3k miles. My engine now has 357,000 miles on it and runs superb, every had to open the engine or remove so much as the heads. Routine maintenance all around, if you take care of your car it will take care of you. Fascinating video and tutorial.
After over 35 years in the automotive service industry, with 10 years with Porsche and 25+ years in my own foreign car shop, I have lived by and preached that maintenance is the key to longevity. Mt automotive experiences and love came from my teenage years in the 60s when we built and dropped V8s into everything. Building hot rods, either for ourselves or others, is what kept us out of trouble. After that, I enlisted in the Navy and was designated an Engineman. That's where my diesel experience started. When I got out, Porsche was the only manufacturer that offered me a decent job. My career choice helped me become a millionaire. I'm "retired" now and this video was extremely interesting and memory-producing, thanks! In regards to detergent fuels, Costco is one of the only places that carries Tier 1 detergent fuel.
Unfortunately, that statement simply isn't true. Here is a list of Top Tier gas stations... Retailers include 76, Aloha Petroleum, Arco, Beacon, Breakaway, Cenex, Chevron, Citgo, Conoco, Costco, CountryMark, Diamond Shamrock, Express Mart, Exxon, Fast Fuel, GetGo, HFN, Harmons Fuel Stop, Hele, Holiday, Kwik Star, Kwik Trip, Marathon, Meijer, Metro Petro, Mobil, Ohana Fuels, Phillips 66, QT/Quik Trip, Reeders, Road Ranger, Rutter’s, Shamrock, Shell, Simonson, Sinclair, Sunoco, Texaco, Valero, Value America, Wow, and Win Win As you can see, Top Tier includes: Mobil, Shell, Exxon Texaco, QT, Arco, Chevron, Citgo, Conoco Kwik Trip and Marathon along with Philips 66, Sinclair and Valero besides Costco. You can check the current list on the Top Tier website.
Have 170 on my '12 Civic, had 400 on my 07 Civic before a deer and then rust killed it. All I did was never miss an oil change. I got 380 out of the 07 Civic and it still got 43mpg if I chose to hypermile. Both have only seen Pen oil with natural gas base.
My '98 civic wih 380k kilometers has seen all types of oil. It has been eating 0.7L of oil / 1000km for the last 150k km. It doesn't get better nor worse. The oil has always been changed at 8 to 12k interval. I guess the oil consumption is now stable at 0.7L/1000km just because with such a high consumption it always run on almost fresh oil (due to frequent adding). 😂
The problem with oil analysts is that IT COSTS MONEY TOO! It’s ridiculous! I run Amsoil z-rod in my mustang, the 347 stroker. An oil change is right at a 100 bucks, 6 quarts + filter… 100 bucks. An oil analysis COSTS OVER 50 FREAKING DOLLARS! It’s half of an oil change! It’s just crazy! At that rate I might as well just do an oil change every 3k miles and call it good. Other than that it’s great info. Thx again for yet another great vid
What a GREAT video! I have 2 associate degrees in Auto Tech and 27yrs as a line mechanic, now retired. I learned so much from this. This video should be required viewing for all line techs and motor heads!! Thank you DAC.
Bringing Dave and Lake together is a dream come true. I had to re run this show a couple of times to let it sink in ( 66 year old retired railroad engineer ). Here in Australia I run BP premium 98 and diesel. Regular oil changes and filters. Yes I drive my vehicles
@@brucekellett2269 awesome bruce! that’s what i was watching - the ore trains going to the port and it emptying onto the ship. also the savannah lander passenger train. man, i’d kill to hear your stories!
@@brucekellett2269 Bruce, is being a locomotive Engineer a stressful job? 🤔 I work with a guy that used to be an Engineer, now he's running production machinery. Just attempting to understand why he's not an Engineer anymore. Would valve your opinion.
Have you watched, "The Ghan" on SBS? Expires in 1 month. Comment recorded 24/4/2024. I'd be surprised if you can't see it on RU-vid somewhere after then. It follows the 17 hour train trip from Adelaide to Darwin. There's 6 episode of about 3 hours each. Even if you're not that interested in trains, it's an interesting, while being a relaxing watch...the clickity clack of the train on the rails can make your eye lids heavy. I think there's a similar one on the Indian Pacific, the 65 hour trip from Sydney to Perth. I don't think it's as intense in recording every minute of the trip, that the Ghan doco does.
Question. Why don't you vent the crankcase to atmospheric pressure? For instance, by loosening the oil cap or pulling the dip stick out a bit so it doesn't seal? Less pressure on backside of cylinder, less crap through EGR.
@@lawrenceralph7481some people do have crankcase breathers that vent to the atmosphere (even tho they’re technically illegal). I used to have an oil catch can on my Camaro that condensed the oil vapors prior to the intake manifold but the valves still got coked up
@@lawrenceralph7481 I do that after ever landing in my airplane. I pull the dipstick out and let the hot moisture escape. The camshaft is at the top of the engine so the oil drains off leaving the camshaft bare and exposed to rust. Also add expensive Camguard at every oil change.
What an education! Thank you for taking the time and effort to video Lake's visit to your shop. Lake's knowledge is extremely important to getting better service out of our vehicles.
I still do 3000 miles and change it myself. My Colorado 3.6 engine is naturally aspirated, direct injection. I think cleaner oil equates to cleaner crankcase gases which equates to cleaner valves. I can't prove it but my truck still runs like new with no usage at 85,000 miles. Great discussion in this video.
3k oil change cycle on Vortec 4.3 with Delo/Delvac/Rotella [dino] 15-40 and the engine is at 381k and leaks (not consume) .5 qt per OC. Happy motoring✔
Oil analysis is something I learned about in Army Aviation over 25 years ago. All the numerous gear boxes, transmission and engine oils were sampled and sent off to the lab. Now I have engine oil analyzed annually and the transmission fluid checked every two years. It costs, but I want to know of problems early to either fix or trade before it gets to expensive. Too bad it's not offered by the dealers when you purchase their extended warranty.
Absolutely, 100%, Bill. Think of an analysis as being akin to a FBC/CBC Blood test assessing YOUR health. It's as close to a window of what's going on inside as one can possibly get.
I was reading about a Peterbilt with a series 60 Detroit 425 HP engine. Almost zero engine wear at one million miles and only one oil change. Im a little familiar with this truck. It used Shell Rotella 15 W 40 conventional oil and a Gulf Coast O2 bypass filter. A mechanic didnt get the word to not dispose of the oil. Its misleading to say only 1 oil change in a million miles. The Gulf Coast bypass filter holds 3 gallons of oil. Thats 3 gallons of new Rotella every 10 K miles. Then you have the full flow filters changed every 50 K miles. Road King magazine article said that is equal to a full oil change every 40 K miles. I dont drain the oil in my 06 Pontiac but every 6 K miles I change the Australian Jackmaster Classic and add a new quart of synthetic oil. I drive mostly highway. I started in 1963 with a Frantz oil cleaner and Standard Delo 30W. In those days we changed the bypass filters more often and added more new makeup oil.
My old man did oil testing for MANY large engine oil companies back in the mid 70's and the stuff he would tell me about, engine oil, rings, pistons, wearing, etc, all that, sound JUST like this oil guy talking. So I guess my old (now 78 year old) man was correct after all these years and to think, he had no formal training, just learned about it through testing and deductive reasoning. It's nice to hear guys like this talk, you just learn SO much from them!
if you dont watch total seals channel missing out on so much info. love how he touched on fuel being being the #1 killer for oil. Whenever Lake Speed talks, just know its going to be 💎💎
Thank you so much Dave for letting us watch these videos at 75 years old I have not stopped learning from the old school to the new school in Moore new school I still love to learn so keep up the great work I am an old Motorhead Gearhead dude from the past still looking into the future I really am thankful for what you're doing and I appreciate this guest that you have on this part of your interview so much to learn and there's even much more coming down the road thank you again for so much of what you do and what you offer may God continue to bless you and your family always. Amen
Ugh I LOVE videos like this. Sharing the knowledge that 99.9% of people don't know and a very small percentage of us CRAVE! I just need definitive sources like this I can point people to when they question what I say about oil. Really awesome conversation and lessons. Thank you!
Excellent video. Thanks for sharing. I always change my oil 3 to 5k intervals. Interestingly that's when the GM computer on multiple LS motors also believes it should be. If you want to drive to 300k miles and beyond on your original engine, then change the oil!
I’m shocked how much time and money people spend trying to figure out how NOT to change their oil. Nobody has ever said, “dammit, I did too many oil changes on this car”.
This is a perfect balance of engineering and practical experience to make the subject understandable to both an engineering audience and a mechanic audience. The context they put around very complex subjects of friction and wear is fantastic. It is funny how the "old school" way of doing things usually is routed in some form of truth based on materials available and understanding from that period, but as material science has improved and our ability to measure and perform diagnostic analysis on failures has improved, it changes our understanding and design philosophy. Sadly that knowledge often takes years to trickle down to the masses. Fascinating discussion, you have earned my subscription and I will continue to watch your excellent videos.
I like watching these guys, u can tell they are honest, and try to save the customer money, while performing top notch service. I also like the car wizard, and Subaru 1387 both are honest and try to save people money. This shop is teaching me about building motors and about diesel engines plus EGR.
Appreciate you guys taking the time to sit down and record the session. Great insight to the nuts and bolts of what matters to keeping an engine going for the long run. Keep up the awesome content!
Lubrication specialist + Dave and his boys = Amazing content! Great collab! you all could lay information on us for hours! Wish we could get some more!
What a fascinating discusion. I just changed the oil on my little Fiat Panda. According to the user manual I didn't need to do it for another 2,000 miles. After listening to these guys I am so pleased that I did it early. The old oil was so black and watery it clearly needed changing. Thanks guys for sharing this with us all.
I’ve worked on Panda’s many times, and have owned a few. In terms of the last few models, the 1.1 and 1.2 Fire engines are extremely durable, but I’d always do what you did and change the oil around 2k miles earlier. The MultiAir engine is fragile by comparison; not only do I recommend 6-8k max oil changes, but also baby them a little, they have issues that can easily catch people unaware and mechanical failures in the MultiAir can be terminal at very low mileages. The new FireFly isn’t as fragile as the MultiAir, but it can’t handle the mileage that the Fire engines can. You made the right decision for sure.
We NEVER stop learning!! Awesome to see great minds sharing knowledge for the benefit of everyone! I will be sharing this video with many of my friends and customers. Maintenance costs less than repair!!
As a retired cotton topped tech and shop owner since I was 10 years old you never quit learning in automotive. Fascinating stuff. We also had at our disposal a lubrication specialist of many years. We could call Dave and he rarely needed to consult a computer. He had a memory beyond belief and a passion similar to Lake's. He retired about two years ago as I did which is too bad for our industry. Love automotive RU-vid shows of which your on top. Tanning in Tucson.
Another super video. I enjoyed how it was filmed like we the viewers were included in an informal, but great informative discussion. I hope Lake comes by again.
I feel like I got about 2 college Courses worth of Useful Information. for free! You can tell Lake REALLY understands the Physics... When asked about "Ring Flutter" with the Gapless Second Ring... NO hesitation... "Not an issue, since there is always Positive pressure " ( in the supercharged Diesels )
This has beeen by far, besides diagnostic training, the best 20 minutes of information for anyone in this field or any oil lubricated industry. This video is an absolute GEM, which makes me a proud Daves Auto subscriber, and OilGeek as well......just priceless
I wish I could hit the like button multiple times. I always learn something from both of you but I also get confirmation on things I have been preaching for years. Thanks
Absolutely awesome segment. Both Dave and Lake have incredible knowledge and experience. Thankfully I've been an advocate of what they are saying and have enjoyed trouble free motoring for 45 years.
Great interview. Thanks for doing it . I am a retired ASE Certified Master Tech who went to Suny Canton for Auto Tech in the mid.60's and then 4 years in the Army working on electronics . Listening to your interview brought back memories of being in a classroom discussing the theories behind the way things whether mechanical or electronically worked. I have been following you on and off this past year. You keep my "old" brain active. Thanks again.
When I was in the army over thirty years ago, we had oil analysis intervals for our truck fleet for the company, it was part of the pmcs system,....preventative maintenance and check system.
Dave, That was an absolutely amazing round table discussion you had with Mr. Lake Speed! I'll probably watch this again to make sure I fully understand the plethora of knowledge bestowed on me just know.
That was so good to hear all that information, I change oil in my van and car every 5000 or sooner !! And always before going on long trips!! Love your channel❤
WOW. That is all I can say. I have NO formal training in mechanics but I understood just about all of that. I did not know most of it but understood it. I really wish some of my friends and family would watch this channel.
What an awesome episode! You guys are the type of guys i'd love to spend all my spare time just chillin with! Dave and sons and Lake. Just brilliant. I could have listened for hours, seriously!
That is one of the most informative and interesting videos that i have watched in a long time. Thank you for your passion and professionalism and sharing that.
I agree with your oil change recommendation 100% I change mine every 5000km’s because my daily driver Infiniti SUV calls for every 10,000km’s intervals. I also agree with Lake’s comment about Porsche owners not driving their cars, however that doesn’t apply to me, because I have 250,000 km’s on my 1985 Porsche. And the engine hasn’t been apart yet. I actually sent Lake Speed Jr a question on the oil I’m using in my Porsche and he responded to me within hours. He’s a smart cookie. Awesome video as usual Dave, thanks for sharing with us 👍👍 To anyone reading my comment let’s not forget about the miles vs kilometres. We are using kilometres in Canada
The former head engineer for Nissan suggests changing your oil every 2500 miles. He said that's when engine oil starts to break down and engine wear begins.
I always used the suggested drain interval of the oil manufacturer, at cut it short early, not the vehicle manufacturer's interval. The owners manual assumes we're using their OEM oil & filter AC Delco, Motorcraft etc.
@@donniev8181 maybe years ago with conventional oils, but today with the good quality synthetic oils that’s out there I don’t believe we need to change our oil every 2500miles. Plus most cars and trucks back in the day only had 4 or 5 quarts of conventional oil in them. These days car oil capacity is much more. So I believe it depends on the car and the amount of oil it takes plus if it’s conventional or synthetic oil that determines how often you need to change your oil. Plus the kind of driving and the climate you drive in would also play a role in the intervals you change the oil. However I’d still change it half way through the manufactures suggested intervals. My antique Porsche has a oil change every spring after it’s been stored for the winter, and that thing holds almost 9 quarts of synthetic. I change it because the car sits for so long not because it has a lot of miles on the oil. I’m not saying that everyone should do what I’m doing, I’m just giving my two cents on the topic. Are you changing your oil that often? And if you are I’m sure it will definitely do your car a lot of good in the long run. I just done the conversion for km’s to miles and 2500 miles is 4023 km’s so I think we are both on the same page👍
@andyjohnson6548 Yes, I just recently purchased a new 2024 Toyota Camry SE, so I've only done my 1000-mile break-in oil change. However, I'm going to change my oil regularly every 2500-3000 miles and my filter ever second oil change. Oil is cheap, and engines are expensive.
@@andyjohnson6548 oil is oil, I'm pretty sure the head engine builder for Nissan knows a thing or two about engine oil. Even Dave said his warranty stipulations include changing the oil every 3k miles.
Guys like this who are ridiculously smart but yet is able to enjoy what he talks about is such a great thing to behold. Helps me keep my cars running strong because of guys like lake and Dave
The most informative content on oil, gas, diesel fuel that I have ever heard. Lake Speed, Jr along with Dave's crew helped me to understand so much, thank you!
Utterly fascinating. The guy knows what he is talking about AND conveys the information so clearly. Thank you. From my personal point of view of ignorance my mantra has always been oil and filters are cheaper than new engines. My latest van (commercial vehicle) has a 20,000 mile oil change interval!!! I stick with 5,000 miles.
One of the best Daves Automotive videos. Ends all the know it alls sealed for life no need to change the oil, extended oil change intervals. Great job.
I always learn from watching this channel but I have never learned so much so quickly. Thanks so much for having this TedTalk with Lake Speed Jr.; he is riveting to listen to. Highly approve.
This was awesome!!! Please keep inviting pros like this to your shop to "talk shop". The knowledge he shared is incredible!! Thank you thank you thank you!!!
It Never Gets Old! Some knowledge changes or even becomes obsolete. This is a timeless video about combustion engines. Thank you, gentlemen. SKWID Rider's Shipmate ET1(SS/SW/MTS) US Navy, Ret. Killmonger: 2020 Fat Boy (Stage 2+ by Blockhead) SilverBAK: 2021 Road Glide (S&S 129ci build by Rider's Shipmate)
Thanks for the great & informative video Dave. Not only do you run a successful business being passionate about what you do. You are very ethical in your work & how you treat your customers as well as standing behind your work. Another thing I have noticed about you is how humble you are to continue to learn. Always pursuing method & practices on what is right vs wrong in your profession. Love your channel & your vids you post. I'm looking forward to your show that is coming out. Thanks for upping the bar of quality & expectation in your industry.
This is awesome Dave, this speaks incredible volumes to you as well as your shops humility to learn and constantly improve upon your services and products. Thank you for not shying away from your faith when so many on the internet do and teaching a young twenty year old man from western NC, 28040.
Fantastic video guys! I have worked with a high end manufacturer for 37 years and you guys are spot on!! You men made some great tips I wish more vehicle owners knew, especially about oil change intervals and pampering your engine too much. This seems to be even more important now than with older engines without direct injection, turbos, etc..This applies to both diesel and gasoline engines. Thank you for making these great videos!!
I really enjoyed this video; one of the best that I have seen in a year. I have always told my customers the way I feel about oil change intervals after I build a engine for them; and had similar responses. I also have felt 7500 miles is way to long for modern oil changes for newer vehicles; yet people wonder why the smaller turbo engines fail often. Change your oil folks! Thanks for the great content.
