Not god, thanks to those who thought outside the box! Think if people instead of thinking outside of the box just prayed...she would be dead!bgod doesn't care and therefore, to me at least, it does not exist!
She was a hero too. They helped save her, but she also helped save herself. Though she wandered off, she did so with logic and resolution. Another kid might just have curled up away from the river and died.
Makes me wonder how long it would have taken the authorities to decide to look down there. If she was dead they still should look even first. What they going to do let her body rot at the bottom of the bluffs.
If there’s anything I’ve learned by listening to a lot of stories like this, it’s that small children can cover a helluva lot more ground than you think.
I always say this. Short chubby legs ' Move ! When people say a child can't possibly cover much ground. Bull. Anyone with a two year old knows how quickly those feets go. Don't ever underestimate tiny children.
Small children can scale mountain tops…rough terrain and inclement weather without shoes and be found with their feet perfectly clean after 20 or 30 miles of rough hiking. Small Children are amazing. They can also tread through mounds of snow in their pajamas and be found over 20 miles away without any sign of their clothing being wet or soiled from such a rigorous hike. Yes, small children can do amazing things without their shoes on, whereas most people would need hiking boots and clamp ons just to scale the mountain. Nope, a child in their pajamas with no shoes can climb over as my mountain with no dirt getting on their clothing and their bare feet spotless. Amazing!
A lifeguard once told me lost kids at the beach are always found downwind. It's not a conscience decision they make, it's just an easier walk. Knowing that, I certainly would have looked downhill. Hope that information helps someone out there sometime.
Whst a coincidence. Just the other day, I was watching the'Fully Alive' DVD with Ken Davis. During his comedic routine, he recounts a story about one of his young granddaughter's getting lost on a trip they took to a state park. The short of it is she had strayed and managed to climb up instead of going down hill. She was found many hours later by park rangers. The rangers later explained to them children tend to move in the direction of least resistance which is downwind. I'm confused as to why these ppl were reluctant to look in that direction. So glad the little girl was found alive. 💓
When I was in Girl Scouts they taught us to hug a tree if we got lost in the woods. On a group day trip, I got lost in the woods and started squeezing the crap out of a tree because I thought it would send a signal to the scout leader. I didn't understand they just meant to stay put.
This made me laugh so loud as its exactly what I think my young self would've thought, and always amazes me when people doing the teaching don't give rationale as I'm such a concrete thinker. Thanks for the laugh. 😂
There was a case a few years ago where three young kids got lost while cutting through woods between their homes. A man who lived in the area went to the deputies and said he wanted to check a particular area - down by a creek, but they refused to let him go the way he indicated. He was so intent that they might be where he thought, he had to go a great distance to get there by another route. Sure enough, the children were down there. Hungry and tired, but uninjured.
@@margaretr5701 The police were stationed at the place he wanted to go through to get down to the creek and for some reason, they wouldn’t let him go that way.
@@gabe-po9yi I've met many a police officer who has or appears to have some weird kind of personality disorder. The most notable feature being the glaring lack of any kind of sense of humor.
There's been many cases where a person was later found "outside the search area." There should always be at least a couple people looking in unlikely places.
Exactly! The fact that they chose not to search in that area because they believed she was dead, was a very poor decision. Even if she had been dead, wouldn’t they still want to search to retrieve her body? Not to mention, people are consistently told in 911 calls to continue life saving efforts even if the person is believed to be deceased because there is always a chance of survival. The same should have applied to this situation.
My thoughts exactly! They were basically like “well, if she’s down there, she’s dead-so let’s not look there for her body-let us assume instead that she’s alive elsewhere because that what we want to believe.” There’s also something very wrong with telling free people that they can’t search in a certain area because someone with a badge decided that searching there is a waste of time. If it was my child, I would want every inch of the area covered more than twice!
@@lindab.716 Two hours. My then three year old son decided to play "hide and seek" one Christmas Eve while we were opening presents. Kids move with the speed of a Cheetah. I found him hiding behind a post in our building's basement and it was all I could do to resist administering severe corporal punishment. As it was, I screamed at him loudly enough to scare off Santa Claus.
As a grandparent I would consider a level of danger letting my 6 year old grandchild out of my sight anyplace. Out there in the wilderness there can be cougars and other predators. Thank God she's ok
Yeah. I think people take babies and too young children on hikes that are beyond their comfort level and physical abilities, and potentially unsafe. Kids enjoy the wilderness more when the outing is tailored to their developmental level.
@@evelynwaugh4053 OR you could not be a chopper parent, have a bit of common sense. If you aren't familiar with the wilderness do not let your child wander, I do agree with that! IMO This does more harm than good. I was born and raised in rural MI. In the 80s I spent every day outdoors, I had such a fantastic childhood. We had a large forest for our backyard but not as large as a place like the Bluffs. I fondly remember my dad taking me and my brother for nature walks where he'd teach us about nature, weather, animals, hazards in the woods, etc. The instances like Haleys are actually quite rare, although it doesn't seem that way due to social media and the like clinging to bad news, especially about lost children! idk if I agree that the little girl Haley seen was simply a hallucination. I think the 🦩s were and other things but perhaps, she did see Alicia? I guess we'll never know. I'm just glad she was found safe! Some ppl aren't so lucky. 🌌🏞️🏕️🌄🌲🛤️🌳🏖️🏝️🌅🏞️
@@LynnAgain83 Your situation was different than a long grueling hike for a 6 year old in rough terrain. I don't know if you have noticed, but in the past few years, there are annually many, many deaths from hiking. This was not the case in the past. Far too many people are hiking in extreme conditions, inexperienced and unprepared.
I'm so glad that child was found safe, and now that she is grown up, she appreciates the men who found her even more. Never leave a little kid alone, no matter what terrain, or where there's a lot of water, alone for a minute. Things can happen in a blink of an eye. Thanks Dr. Grande. 🙂👍👍
So, you'd rather be a 🚁 parent? I'm sorry but if they're like 3-4yo I agree. Maybe put them in boys or girls scouts? Nature is so healing for kids there's always something to do and explore. If you're a novice maybe NOT go to the bluffs with a little 6yo. But ppl do this often and are perfectly fine as long as the parents have some experience and common sense! These missing stories are actually quite rare.
@@LynnAgain83 The big issue is that they let her get out of sight. Nothing wrong with letting her think she should get up and catch up, but YOU (the adult) have to be able to see HER.
Mom of four. The Grand-parents are most definitely the ones who dropped the ball. But, they are elderly and as stated out of their element themselves. My husband is an Eagle Scout, and even he has rules for Our kids as to what type of wildernesses situations are not safe. She could have died, and they would have been haunted with this for the rest of their lives. My rule is kids under 10 must always remain in ear shot. They are not physically or mentally able to deal with these situations on their own. You can agree to disagree, but children need guidance. Lord of the Flies is a book and movie You don’t want to happen in real life.
@@Jinger17 Well said. You're absolutely right. Some kids move so fast that they can literally seem to vanish right before your eyes. When my son was three, he thought it would be "funny" to sneak out of our apartment on Christmas Eve while we were opening presents. We found him hiding behind a post in our building's basement. I'm sure i screamed at him loudly enough to scare off Santa Claus.
Being a grandma myself just hearing this story fills me with anxiety. I can’t imagine how hard this was on Joyce even after Haley was found. I hope she eventually learned to stop punishing herself for this incident. When my son was five, I lost him in a crowd at the fair it took me 45 minutes to find him, and those were the worst minutes of my life, seemed like an eternity. So I know these emotions just so happy the story ended the way it did.
Maybe Alicia was the “third man factor” in the story. The Third Man Factor is a nonfiction book by John Geiger about people fighting to survive who sense an unseen presence who encourages and helps them. Fascinating topic.
It doesnt even have to be about survival, I remember how lone American astronaut in Mir heard his (still living) father encouraging him to keep going, when he was at his loneliest. There were two Russian cosmonauts with him, but 6 months away from home takes its toll. This same guy was there when the fire broke out, actual fight for survival, but no dad visitation that time. I wish I remembered this guys name, but no, only his face is in my head. My friend also heard her dad yelling at her, when she wrecked her motorcycle and nearly died. She is convinced she survived because of it, the voice told her to fall down, that way she collided feet first with the oncoming car. I believe her.
It amazes me how moronic adults can be with children. You are in the wilderness and decide to walk so far that you couldn’t see the child? Are they insane! Thank goodness it worked out and I hope they learned their lesson, including the mother that allowed her daughter to go with these non-thinkers.
Thank you, I understand calling her bluff but you're meant to hide behind a tree and keep an eye on them! When my daughter was young and we were camping I used to cable tie the zipper together at night. It meant cutting it with pliers if you needed a Wizz but I slept soundly.
I wish we had to have tests and licenses to have them. I'm absolutely fucking sick of people 💩ing out 👶🏻 👶🏻👶🏻👶🏻 and treat them horribly and then the kid ends up as shitty as their parents and the cycle continues. Having a kid should be a privilege. Not a right. My parents expect me to be a clone of them and that'll never happen. I'm not gonna be a narcissistic pos who's never wrong no matter what and have a kid just because you desperately want a grandkid and if my parents spoke to my child the way they have with me, I'd be in jail.
Haley was very bright in her reasoning. The learning lesson of allowing an uncooperative child to feel lost is a solid method be it in a grocery store or in the wild. Where Joyce went wrong is you let the child lose you and get scared, but you NEVER lose sight of the child. Glad it turned out well.
I carried my 4.5 year old son out of the woods when I was 7 months pregnant. It was too long a walk for us to take under the circumstances, and my little boy was too tired to continue. I picked him up and carried him out, fast asleep. It took me about an hour to do it. (We were not lost, the trail was flat, all I had to do was to keep going.). Served me right for being stupid! Also, great shirt.
My parents took me hiking since I could walk. So I learned to be fairly robust at a early age. Once while doing a 14 mile hike (7 miles both ways) we were all with a small group. I had done this hike a few times with my parents but I lagged behind and good thing I did. Cause the few people walking with me didn't know the trail. While I a high and might 13 year old did. 😂
@@mariawhite7337 I remember being around that age and doing everything I could to ditch my parents. I was terribly stupid and irresponsible. My son once fell asleep on his school bus and wound up at the garage. I keep imagining the look on the bus driver's face. The poor driver was very upset and almost in tears. My son was oblivious to it all.
When my daughter was 7, we went to London to see a play. On a spiral staircase down to a tube train, my daughter kept running ahead of me, out of my sight (although I could hear her) around the bend of the spiral. That was one of the scariest experiences of my life. When I reached her, at the bottom, I looked so stressed out that other people were asking me if I was OK. I can't imagine letting a 6 year old child out of your sight in a mountain wilderness!
My children knew what to do when they got lost by the age of six. Before we let them out of arms’ reach in the wilderness they learned the first rules of survival. Don’t panic and don’t move. Then again, we live on the edge of very dense wilderness, where people often get lost.
As a jaded adult, I envy my 6yo self. I sure could use an imaginary friend now... someone non-dramatic at my side, to help me make decisions, pass the time doing mundane things, nudge me along when I just want to give up..... Oh wait... I have my Dog 🐕🦺💞
See the late Shakti Gawain's (may she rest in peace) famous book, CREATIVE VISUAIZATION on contacting your Inner Guide. Or simply relax and consider the particular situation while not trying to force an answer. Then turn it over to whatever Higher Power you may have. Keep a notebook and pen by your bed at night and if you can wake from a vivid dream and remember t, write it down, making yourself all the characters and places you dreamed about. This practice often leads to surprising insights. If you pray, then pray--and turn it over to God. I hope this information is helpful to you. Of course, having and loving a dog is one of the greatest blessings humanity has. May you be blessed in all of your undertakings. P.S. Answers can come from anywhere. Simply be open to that awareness.
It’s good that they followed their intuition. A similar thing happened near me in eastern Oregon. A elderly man and his wife had gone up a remote gravel road scouting out camp sites or hunting sites (I think). The wife got tired of walking and decided to return to their truck. When the husband got back to the truck, she was nowhere to be found. He had to drive out to get a cell signal and call for help. A search ensued and after several days without finding her, it was called off. Around day 12 or 13, two men who knew the area well and had helped search realized there was an area that hadn’t really been searched. Sure enough, they go out there and find her and she was still alive! She had rolled down a hillside and landed by a creek. She had injured her hip so she couldn’t walk. Fortunately, she had water close by. That probably saved her. She chose not to speak with the media so little is known about how she ended up there. I was really hoping that, in time, she would give an interview. I’m always curious how people deal with something like this.
Jeez! What an avoidable crisis! Pick the kid up and carry her!! Kids get tired easily and “teaching lessons” doesn’t seem like a good idea in the middle of a forest!! Children don’t have a sense of direction like adults and in a sea of trees..a child would loose orientation. Glad they found her but ironic that it was the parents who learned a lesson. Don’t ever leave your child behind!!!! I’ve gotten heat exhaustion/heat stroke as a child and was having a kind of hallucinating.. if Bethany was begging to be picked up there a chance she wasn’t feeling well.
I think the little girl was also stubborn and adamant to go down to the river. You definitely do not leave a strong-willed child like that out of your sight! Daaaaeeem!
I have some experience with tired and hungry small children. It would have been a lot easier to just pick up the child and carry her. She would either fall asleep in your arms or become revived and wiggly. Revived and wiggly gets congratulated and returned to walking. Falling asleep gets carried.
A six year old bloody heavy to carry. They acted exactly how I would have I that situation, pretend to leave without her. Usually a child that age would have panicked and followed along after a minute or two. Luckily I never hadto use this with my 2 girls. One scowl from mum and my girls immediately did as they were told. "I've asked twice. I will NOT ask a third time" was my rule. I never had to raise my voice. They just KNEW when I meant business!
exactly I don’t understand why the parents would walk away and leave a six-year-old in the woods I would just pick her up and take her to teach her that she needs to listen
@@loulabelle5082 I think that parents should, and probably would only do that not the wilderness. Everyone knows how easy it is to get lost in the wilderness just turn in your eyes away from Child for a couple minutes can happen easily pick up the Child and take her with she’s only six years old. She could learn how to listen. There was a time when I did that with my daughter, but it was not in the wilderness. I did walk away from her and she did panic and never did that again so it is a good lesson, but not in the wilderness.
OMG, my heart was pounding watching this video. When my daughter was 4-5 we took a hike about 2.5 miles. On the way back, she was tired so I carried her on my back with her arms and legs wrapped around me. I would never have let her out of my sight. Alicia was no mistake, she had a reason and a purpose to be there. Thank you Dr Grande, I needed to see this.
I'm certainly not dismissing it. The similarities were way too close. She could have made up any other imaginary friend and it not be similar to any thing at all.
As an adult who gets lost in medium sized malls, I can tell you that it’s remarkably easy to lose one’s way for some people. Very glad this story had a happy ending.
Wow. I’m so glad that the two men saved her and that she hung on for so long. What a trooper. Thanks Dr. Grande. Keep rocking the shirts and pumping out your awesome videos 😎. Can’t get enough of them
The story about the apparition little girl who appeared and helped the lost little girl in the woods is a story that has been told many times before. Mountain climbers who become exhausted and or caught in a bad storm on a mountain say the exact same thing. Except the apparition that appears is another mountain climber out of nowhere and helps the climber having trouble by guiding him to safety. Many many mountain climbers have told this same story while in Patagonia, the Alps or Himalayas. The apparition climber is often relaxed and smoking a cigarette while navigating the most difficult parts of the climb. There's another story about a boy who was lost in the woods for days but kept moving because he said little hobbit people came out to help him. He eventually got home safely and told people about what happened. I have forgotten the name of the boy. The point is that when people are truly lost or in a very difficult situation when alone are sometimes helped by apparitions or hobbits or regular guys. The stories are very similar and the people telling them have no reason to lie. What is this phenomenon? Are these helpers real or imagined? Why do so many people have the same story after being lost or stuck somewhere? There has to be more to this. It's just too coincidental that all those people have the same story. I guess I would need to get lost to find out. Many people have already suggested that I get lost so maybe I'll find out soon enough. That's a really cool shirt man, I like the colors. Great video as usual. I loved the bit about kindergartners fending off bears with a stick and pine cones. Lol 💯🔥😎
My son at age six got lost for quite a few minutes one time at the beach and he said he turned into the sheriff and “the sheriff” found his way back to us. I kind of thought it was an imaginary friend situation like this one.
Psychological difference mechanism. The unconscious 'survival instinct' can become perceived as another person when an individual is exhausted, dehydrated, hypoxic, or hypothmic enough. The brain isn't working correctly in those situations and a sort of dissacoiative state can occur. It's almost as if all the training or knowledge they've ever had takes over and due to their altered mental state the mind created someone else that can calmly assistant them. We're always mentally taking to ourselves but in extreme situations that perception of self and other can distort. In children the mind is not yet functioning as adults do and is inherently more likely to confuse reality with fantasy or fiction; are prone to self sooth by creating imaginary friends or authority/parental figures to protect them.
Sometimes going 'by the book' (as LE did in this case) leads to disastrous results. Thankfully the two men were persistent! As for the imaginary friend? I for one believe in guardian angels 😇 Thanks Dr Grande! Interesting story.
If any case had any possibility of convincing Dr. Grande to consider that ghosts are real, this is the case. 👻 Excellent analysis Dr Grande, it's a frightening reminder that kids can get lost anywhere, even when you're only a few feet away. Thanks for sharing!
The only danger of listening to Dr Grande in a quiet study area in a library with earphones is that sudden deadpan joke that forces a loud explosive laugh.
Especially good breakdown sir. I’m part of a SAR unit and know first hand the difficulty that is unfortunately made unnecessarily more difficult by interagency politics. Bless that mule team that had the will to search the most difficult terrain that was avoided by others and being intelligent enough to search where no one had looked yet.
Anyone who’s a regular hiker in the woods knows how easy it is to become disoriented and lost… WHY would anyone leave a child alone in the woods OUT OF SIGHT? Are you kidding?
With faith and the assistance of strangers, little Haley found her way home again. Blessings to the good people of the world. Lovely story. Thanks for sharing.
This story has a happy ending. Any one interested should look up the story of little Jaryd Atadero who ran ahead of his hiking group and was never seen again. He was three years old and most likely taken by a mountain lion. Never let your children out of your sight. period. end of.
I'm so happy she was found and sorry that Joyce felt guilt, but the truth is Joyce was careless for losing sight of a 6-year-old. I sense that Haley was a bit spoiled to protest the way that she did. I would never have been able to pull that stunt as a child. No one would have coddled and allowed me to sulk and refuse to join them. I would have been made to join them. The ghost story is interesting but.....Kudos to the two men who never gave up! I'm so happy to see Haley was able to grow up and follow her dreams.🧚♀
@@larrywakeman4371 So would I have been. My parents wouldn't have tolerated it for one second. I wasn't allowed to have an attitude or be disrespectful or whine for things. I knew someone who never disciplined her daughter at all. Telling her daughter No was seriously forbidden. So the child ruled the mother. Refused to eat anything healthy like vegetables. She lived off fries and chocolate shakes. I thought she looked a bit sickly around her eyes. The parents were affluent so money wasn't the issue just the child's strong will. I'll never forget the time the mother threw a big party and right in front of the entire crowd her seven-year-old daughter stood up amid them all as if she was making an announcement and said, "I wish my mother would shut up." I was stunned and even I wanted to reprimand her but her mother just ignored it and laughed it off.
My family would've done the same thing. But when they saw that she was coming the FIRST time, especially with strangers around, you wait for her to catch up.
The story reminds me of Hansel and Gretel. With little kids, I usually try to keep them within arm’s reach. Kids get snatched in the supermarket. I can’t imagine walking so far ahead that I can’t see them anymore. And in the wilderness? And twice? Near a river? 😳
The description of her imaginary friend was a bit too specific. Most children would not know bell bottoms from skinny jeans! I believe in spirit energy and small children are more open to spirit. Either way she used more common sense then most adults when they get lost. Glad she was found.
Thank God for her rescue heroes! Just because people go through the police academy doesn't mean they know everything. They like to think they do LOL... but the older gents not only saved Haley but the day as well! Bless their hearts! ❤
Well, How many coincidences can you have in one moment in your life? For a girl that never heard of alicia, the bell bottom pants, the red (perhaps bloody) shirt, the flashlight... come on, she had real company.
Having been in similar circumstances, I observe that official search teams are very good at looking for rational adults, because they think like rational adults. "What would a rational adult do?" is how they conduct their search.
Yes. That's why finding lost children is so difficult. Professional searches often discount how far a young child will travel: forgetting that small distressed children won't stop like an adult logically would but will continue on until exhausted even in the dark or bad weather. Young child aren't discouraged by obviously difficult terrain like an adult would be as they can't understand the danger or difficulty. Children tend to wander in the path of least resistance, i.e. downhill. Often towards water as it also runs downhill and the sound attracts them.
The story of Haley Zega reminds me of Stephen King's novel "The Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon." His novel tells the tale of a young girl, lost in the woods, who manages to stay alive and stay strong through her resourcefulness and the power of her own imagination. It is a really inspiring read, and it is inspiring to hear of a real child finding their own strength as King imagined.
When I was in first grade, we were read a storybook about a little girl who gets lots and found in a supermarket. The book essentially teaches young kids what to do if they ever get lost. I still remember that book, almost 30 years later 😄😇. Thanks for the great content, Dr Grande! From Rachelle in London 🇬🇧
The "presence" of Alicia reminds me of the book "The Third Man Factor- the Secret to Survival in Extreme Environments" by John Geiger. The conjuring of a benevolent guide is a fascinating topic.
Dr. Grande! I love the positive and feel good conclusion to the story. As an afterthought though, I'm not real impressed with the police and their performance in this matter. Thank you so much for sharing. Have yourself a great weekend Doctor!
The good ol "fine you stay here, I'm going back" solution to the temper tantrum backfired on Grandma. My heart goes out to her. Hopefully Haley learned to listen next time... Or learned that you don't need to listen and eventually it all works out
I think it's a example that if you don't worry about your life and you have nothing to fear like a child does but to an extent tho most adults would just panic and I doubt she did the same
As a little kid I was taught to stay put if I was lost, but I was also taught to find tributaries and follow them downhill until I got to a river and then follow it downstream (there were lots of hiking trails along the river where I grew up). Only now as I watch this am I realizing that those two sets of instructions were contradictory… Glad I never had to use either strategy. Though the tributary thing was useful as we got older and started playing in the woods around the house on our own.
Good afternoon Dr Grande, excellent analysis . A very positive story overall. Glad she grew up and got her BA. As always I learn something new from your videos. Have a great weekend.
I think the grandmother had untreated mental illness. No one takes a 6 year old on such a long hike without food and water, then leaves them out of sight by walking ahead of them, unless they are both crazy and cruel. I noticed how the grandfather had nothing to say about it and went along with it, and then how they gaslighted the child by labeling her as being difficult. There was nothing reasonable in what they did.
That was my thoughts a minute into the story. We took our child to a petting zoo that was fenced off and went in a round track. He was gone a minute or two and we began looking for him. How on earth did they leave her and just keep going thinking oh she's fine.. She was a child!
This is a situation where we can learn from the mistakes of others. Keep eyes on kids. Pick them up and move them if you have to. Joyce is responsible, but since the child safe, she will have future opportunities to make better choices.
@@WhoIsWhatIDKExcept this was not an innocent mistake. Once she started walking after them, they should've waited for her to catch up and if she had refused to continue, then either picked her up or waited with her. It is insane to keep letting a 6 year old get out of sight because... why even exactly? This was arrogance, neglect and stupidity, and most importantly, several deliberate decisions the grandmother and Clay took to let her out of their sight. It is nothing like a momentary slip up when they just happened to turn away and the kid was gone.
Oh my goodness....I admit I haven't heard all the story yet, but straight away I am thinking I would not have been happy with my really quite young daughter being taken on that kind of trip with elderly grandparents....seriously, older people do forget just how attentive you have to be when you've not had young children in your care for decades 😶 There are so many other things you can do to give a 6-year-old a great day out and when you can concentrate on them and not try to double-up with meeting your friends...
It actually bothers me quite a bit that the grandmother allowed the child to get lost like this. I worked with a guy who was nearing retirement. He had been watching his grandson with his wife at home. Somehow, the little boy (less than 2 years old) was able to walk out the back door unnoticed and walked across their back heard and ended up drowning in a small pond behind their house. They were not found at faulty, but this type of negligence, in my opinion, should not go unpunished. The parents lost a wonderful little boy because two elderly people did not keep an eye on him. Shameful
I'm seeing a trend of blaming older people. The grandmother in this case was 57, not elderly. Dr G is in his 50's, would you refer to him as old? Agism is a real problem, causing grief to those that don't deserve it, and is insulting to the hundreds of thousands of grandparents, who are raising their grandchildren. Errors are made by people of all ages, the lady in this story was doing her best with a stubborn child. If you've never made a mistake, acted in error, go ahead, cast the first stone, you perfect, judgemental people.
Honestly no one would take a six year old on such a long hike, then punish her for being tired and making her walk, then to leave her unobserved for so long on the trail. It only takes a few seconds to lose a child. Joyce caused all of this. Haley is lucky to be alive.
Wow. I'd love for you to do a video on the case of Bethany Alana Hall. Or, maybe more about her mom, Lucy. Just read the Harper's Magazine article, and I'm both horrified and super curious.
Thank goodness this one didn't end like so many others. (And the story of Alicia adds an interesting wrinkle). Thanks, as always, for the interesting case and analysis, Dr. Grande!
Am I the only one who thinks the grandparents are at fault? As a parent why on earth would her grandparents bring her on a massive hike, without enough food or a period for her to rest afterwards? Stupid with a young child. Then treating her like the tantrum was her fault lmao. Of course she had a tantrum and didn’t want to leave then. They should have been more prepared for the hike, or at the very least not given her that much of a ‘gap’ between them to ‘motivate’ her to get back to the cabin. Just dumb reasoning all around. A 6 year old has limits.
I was busy today so just listened. So glad the precocious girl was found, it doesn't happen alot when people go missing. Great analysis again. Thanks Dr G😊💜💜
