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Sizing Natural Gas and LP Propane Gas Pipe- Longest Length Method! IFGC 2015 

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In this HVAC Gas Line video, I show you how to Size Natural Gas and Propane Pipes using the IFGC 2015 to determine the minimum pipe size diameter for an entire building worth of gas lines. I go over why we use the procedures and methods shown in the video. I show you how to determine the correct sizing chart for the application as there are many charts to choose from in the International Fuel Gas Code Book. The equivalent length of all fittings more than four total must also be used as well when determining the longest length of the piping section. Supervision is needed by a licensed HVAC Tech before doing this as Experience and Apprenticeship garners Wisdom and Safety.
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@acservicetechchannel
@acservicetechchannel 7 лет назад
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@400hpmustang
@400hpmustang Год назад
It all came together after watching this video. This helps tremendously, taking my G2 exam soon, thanks AC service tech llc.
@SpartanIV
@SpartanIV 3 года назад
This is hands down the best NG pipe sizing video I've seen. Thank you! I'm going to use this knowledge to back into what my 1950 house is setup to supply to see if I can add an outdoor branch for a firepit at an unused tee.
@WanderingWonderer10
@WanderingWonderer10 6 лет назад
Extremely helpful,taking P2 test next week and even though I've got 20 years in the plumbing field but I've never ran any gas. You've made this method very clear, much appreciated!!
@acservicetechchannel
@acservicetechchannel 6 лет назад
Thanks Gary!
@jasonbarrows8386
@jasonbarrows8386 Год назад
Man. Thank you for making this video. You did a great job at explaining this in a way that is easily understood.
@wohnelimedia9634
@wohnelimedia9634 11 месяцев назад
Thanks so much for this refresher. I drew your diagram and went and sized the piping using the 2020 Minnesota fuel code book and everything was perfectly matching your method and answers. I appreciate your video.
@justinkendollrozinek
@justinkendollrozinek 5 лет назад
I love your way of completely dummy proof it by lettering each section and and laying out the needs of each.
@acservicetechchannel
@acservicetechchannel 5 лет назад
Thanks and the newer videos have much better audio, thanks!
@edisone690
@edisone690 3 года назад
thanks man i need a refresher before my test this was great
@acservicetechchannel
@acservicetechchannel 3 года назад
Best of luck!
@justincanterbury2561
@justincanterbury2561 4 года назад
Thanks a lot man just scheduled the HVAC contractors exam for next month. This helped me understand that part!
@eulaliorodriguez5325
@eulaliorodriguez5325 Год назад
Thank you for sharing this information.
@neildecker1
@neildecker1 5 лет назад
Thanks for this video. You made it so simple, I finally understand how the Longest Length Method works.
@acservicetechchannel
@acservicetechchannel 5 лет назад
That's awesome to hear Neil!
@acservicetechchannel
@acservicetechchannel 7 лет назад
Equivalent length of all fittings more than four total must also be used as well when determining the longest length of the piping section.
@timschmidt9456
@timschmidt9456 5 лет назад
Thank you! An excellent explanation for a novice..
@acservicetechchannel
@acservicetechchannel 5 лет назад
Thanks a lot Tim!
@FancyBarnacles
@FancyBarnacles 3 года назад
great video, very easy to understand. thank you for explaining!
@mattmas8640
@mattmas8640 6 месяцев назад
Question for you. I have 70’ for my furthest distance. However, I want to install a 199,000 tankless water heater. The tankless water heater only has 3/4” connections. Using the chart, 3/4 is not supposed to be utilized even in a branch off of a 1-1/4 just to supply the water heater. The chart would state that I would need a 1” connection to the water heater. How do you get around this to meet code? Do you just reduce down to 3/4” close to the water heater?
@GaPodrinho
@GaPodrinho 10 месяцев назад
What if I need a pipe size larger than the maximum displayed on Schedule 40 mtallic pipe schedule?
@Jimmermahomoney
@Jimmermahomoney 9 месяцев назад
Great explanation 👍
@PROSDIY
@PROSDIY 4 года назад
Awesome job! I'm making a BBQ gas line video and was going to explain gas line sizing in the the video. I can't explain it any better than you just did. Do you mind If I link to your video from mine? Thanks again for such a well made video!
@acservicetechchannel
@acservicetechchannel 4 года назад
That sounds good with me. If you would like to chat, email me at info@acservicetech.com thanks. I checked out your channel and website, Nice!
@Bickybo
@Bickybo 3 года назад
Well done ,and easy to understand. Ty
@acservicetechchannel
@acservicetechchannel 3 года назад
Glad it was helpful!
@jimmyung3212
@jimmyung3212 7 лет назад
Thank you this one going to take me sometime to learn!!!
@acservicetechchannel
@acservicetechchannel 7 лет назад
Yeah that is like a 3 day course condensed into 10 minutes, ha! Stay with it and this one will definitely take a while but is crucial to techs.
@supersage789
@supersage789 Год назад
thank you
@NukeJesus
@NukeJesus 2 года назад
Thank you!!!
@vickyr8360
@vickyr8360 2 года назад
I have a situation, my new firepit requires 240k and it is 60’ away from meter. The current pipe line is as follows-from gas meter 1” pipe size for 50’ distance and then branch out for 1/2” size for next 10’ distance to fire pit.Does this current pipe system would be good enough for 240k btu firepit?
@crislim2749
@crislim2749 5 месяцев назад
Can i Use this on LPG ?? thank you
@FaithisKey792
@FaithisKey792 3 года назад
You lost me at around 9 mins. I have only gotten 3 hours of sleep so far and it’s 4:26 am. To be continue. I must get this. 🙏God bless you 🥱. I only have one appliance. I just have to tap from the fireplace, I think. My wife wants a gas stove but what we have installed currently is an electric one with no gas line in site.
@neckofthewoods24
@neckofthewoods24 2 года назад
Do you do the longest run or to the end of the a main branch as the longest run? Meaning you have a main branch that’s 10’ long, but off the main branch you need gas all the way over to some unit that’s 50’ long. Is it then 50’ or 10’ for the main branch?
@goaliebrody
@goaliebrody 2 года назад
Longest measured run would be from where the line comes out from the meter to the furthest appliance. So in this case it would be 50 ft
@neckofthewoods24
@neckofthewoods24 2 года назад
@@goaliebrody but what if it’s such a small device only 3/8” line, low BTU? It’s not like it can steal that much from the last unit on the main line that’s demanding a large amount of btu. Just to explain, I have LP, 10’ main line 3/4” with 11 in w/c reg at the house. Online that says the main line can support 608,000btu. Off that main line I think I can run a 3/8 maybe 1/2 line over to a fire place that’s maybe 50’ away that demands only 28,000btu. Sounds weird to make the system so large in pipe size when that long run is so small. If at the end of the 50’ I had a 200,000 boiler then yeah I’d get that.
@ericstyer2890
@ericstyer2890 3 года назад
Well done
@acservicetechchannel
@acservicetechchannel 3 года назад
thank you
@meerscan9101
@meerscan9101 7 лет назад
another a1 quality video!
@acservicetechchannel
@acservicetechchannel 7 лет назад
Thanks refrigeration tech!
@juangarcia931
@juangarcia931 2 года назад
How do I know which letters to use to add to get the longest length?
@korgothkillings2032
@korgothkillings2032 3 года назад
Nice thanks
@acservicetechchannel
@acservicetechchannel 3 года назад
No problem
@erow1730
@erow1730 5 лет назад
I have a furnace that needs 8,000,000 BTU and its 800' from the meter, i have 10 psi what size pipe do i need ( HDPE )
@nickgucciardi7143
@nickgucciardi7143 4 года назад
What if you were to add gastite instead of hard pipe? Let's say for the d branch?
@abdullahisalat4478
@abdullahisalat4478 3 года назад
When is the only time you change the LMR for code zone?
@geojor
@geojor 7 лет назад
always informative, thank you ...
@acservicetechchannel
@acservicetechchannel 7 лет назад
Thank you very much!
@Holler_Rat
@Holler_Rat 6 лет назад
Nicely done, thank you!
@acservicetechchannel
@acservicetechchannel 6 лет назад
Thanks James!
@poulmack
@poulmack 4 года назад
Hi, It's a great video. Is there a maximum length considered between the branch and appliance? It's because you don't consider that value in the longest length.
@acservicetechchannel
@acservicetechchannel 4 года назад
Thats correct, it is whatever is the longest of the lengths, thanks!
@tyl8ter
@tyl8ter 6 лет назад
Question? If i Have a 410 CFH gas meter does that mean 410,000 btu/h available? I want to be clear on the source also....Thank you
@whitesheatingairappliancer7101
Thank you for the video.
@acservicetechchannel
@acservicetechchannel 7 лет назад
Thanks Ron White!
@HieuPham-gg9uj
@HieuPham-gg9uj 7 лет назад
Great video thank you
@acservicetechchannel
@acservicetechchannel 7 лет назад
Thnaks Hieu Pham!
@thomcf5130
@thomcf5130 2 года назад
One thing that makes 0 sense about this method, unless I'm interpreting it wrong, is that let's say you design an entire building with this method, and your longest length is 100 feet. So each appliance is sized with the 100 feet and according to their required capacity. Fine all good. BUT, the day you add a small extension and need to add another appliance which is 120 feet from the meter, what then? Or say, to make sure we don't get the conclusion that line diameters won't be changed given the small increase, that the newest longest length, after the addition of the extension is 300 feet. Now all of a sudden you need to replace the piping in the entire building, because capacities were initially designed with 100 feet only? Am I the only one thinking that makes no sense?
@jimbola77
@jimbola77 7 лет назад
thank you for sharing!!!
@acservicetechchannel
@acservicetechchannel 7 лет назад
Thanks jimbola77, does that make sense? It will probably take a while to understand that one fully but just wanted to see what you thought?
@deuce2driver
@deuce2driver Год назад
I still don't understand this.
@charlesking678
@charlesking678 4 года назад
Damn good video bro!
@anthonylovato8132
@anthonylovato8132 7 лет назад
Great detailed lesson. Got one question though. Say existing home has 1" black iron ran for 100'. And i branch off for a new gas stove but use copper instead. Will i use same sizing chart for the black iron or switch charts just for that one run?
@acservicetechchannel
@acservicetechchannel 7 лет назад
You would use the copper sizing chart found in the ifgc 2015, thanks
@erikrezlman7900
@erikrezlman7900 3 года назад
Hey Craig, I’ve been following you for better than a year. I’m getting into the HVAC industry and have passed the 608 EPA certification. I am currently reading and finishing up the IFGC code training manual for black pipe cert. My question to you is, what is the best black pipe pocket size code book available for helping me with codes for passing the black pipe test and for use later in the field? I’ve Googled for the best type black pipe code book, but have not been successful with finding a small pocket size manual. Thanks for all your content on RU-vid and products you offer for training and for use in the field.
@acservicetechchannel
@acservicetechchannel 3 года назад
Jack honestly I don't think there is one out there. I would just read and reread through the sections on schedule 40 pipe and supporting, pressure testing and run yourself through sizing exercises, thanks!
@ZayanasLittleLion
@ZayanasLittleLion 5 лет назад
If I am sizing by branch length method or longest length method, don't I have to include the fittings(bends and elbows?.... Every practical example has these fittings.
@acservicetechchannel
@acservicetechchannel 5 лет назад
You do unless you have 4 fittings or less, This is an intro to the topic, thanks!
@ZayanasLittleLion
@ZayanasLittleLion 5 лет назад
How many ft of length should I add up to the total length ? If I have like 8 -90 degree bends and 2 Tees ? How much length should I add ? There is a table in the IFGC which says around 10 feet of length for tees , but that will increase my total length by almost 100-150 ft ...is it correct ?
@acservicetechchannel
@acservicetechchannel 5 лет назад
Table A.2.2. at codes.iccsafe.org/content/IFGC2015/appendix-a-ifgs-sizing-and-capacities-of-gas-piping It depends on what size those tees are and yes to have 100 extra feet due to fittings is a normal thing. Are you working with 2" schedule 40 because you said 10' per tee?
@jhuff692
@jhuff692 7 лет назад
I'm not an HVAC student or mechanic but I'm interested in learning about the refrigeration process: 1. Is the low internal pressure of an evaporator equal to atmospheric pressure or does it vary? 2. Do refrigerants achieve their listed boiling points once they have passed through the metering device? (ex: does R134a really get down to -15.34°F)
@hvacgameproper1177
@hvacgameproper1177 7 лет назад
No It's actually significantly higher.
@outlawgentleman8860
@outlawgentleman8860 5 лет назад
Refrigeration/R134a are completely different from Natural gas a propane gas. Dont cross the info of them at all ever. You'll end up blowing something up.
@tyl8ter
@tyl8ter 6 лет назад
How come we don't add the 70 (a)( 35 ft) and the 45 ( b)( 15 ft)?.,..
@hvacgabe5889
@hvacgabe5889 7 лет назад
my question is are you going to use 1.5 pipe and use .5 on the first appliance then .75 on the other appliances.?
@acservicetechchannel
@acservicetechchannel 7 лет назад
Yes except for D 199,000 which was 1 1/4". Thanks Gabriel Brown!
@jtmcfarland3512
@jtmcfarland3512 2 года назад
May be most conservative and easiest way, but it’s less accurate (engineering wise) and costs more in materials.
@joebrewer5885
@joebrewer5885 4 года назад
How is "pressure drop" determined? Does the gas supplier give you that info? How do you get that figure?
@acservicetechchannel
@acservicetechchannel 4 года назад
Usually low pressure nat gas is .5, commercial nat gas .3, commercial and res lp .5 but you can check with your local inspection office, thanks!
@ryanracicot8234
@ryanracicot8234 2 года назад
@@acservicetechchannel if you were to have the gas company up your meter pressure to 11" wc would that increase your pressure drop to around 3" wc and move you over to table 402.4(3)? Or would you have to measure the pressure drop yourself after the meter and find the correct table?
@dennisnoone7427
@dennisnoone7427 6 лет назад
very informative, how does it work with a manifold? thanks
@acservicetechchannel
@acservicetechchannel 6 лет назад
The same way. You would take the longest measurement from the source and to the longest run off of the manifold. You would take that length measurement and use it each time, thanks
@seanmcdermott416
@seanmcdermott416 6 лет назад
Hey A.C do you have a refrigerant line sizing video . As I am not yet in an 313 A or D course here in Canada so I would not have the code book. However I have a gas filter 1 certification.
@acservicetechchannel
@acservicetechchannel 6 лет назад
I have not built one yet but would like to at some point. This is the closest I have so far, thanks- ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-_8g6xaCKDqc.html
@moseslmps6261
@moseslmps6261 3 года назад
what if its mroe than 200 feet
@stormbytes
@stormbytes 2 года назад
Explanation is good. The highlighting is terrible and very difficult to follow!
@usaacpatriots712
@usaacpatriots712 Год назад
Ti begin eith you dont specify natural or proplane ..
@MR-nl8xr
@MR-nl8xr 6 лет назад
👏🏼
@acservicetechchannel
@acservicetechchannel 6 лет назад
Thanks a lot Max R!
@tyl8ter
@tyl8ter 6 лет назад
got it...sorry
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