So from these arguments, I learned that skiers: 1. See behind their back 2. Have brakes 3. Are slow 4. Don't hurt people when they hit them 5. Don't drink alcohol
The snowboard does not need a brake, because it is never fully detached. A snowboarder is always strapped to the board with at least one leg, e.g. on a lift. It's easier to meet lost sled on slope, than snowboard. Why sleds doesn't have brakes? The skis must have a brake, because they unlock themselves when you fall to save your legs, and then they become bullets.
@@foobaz2387 I’ll explain the joke to you. The old man was complaining about snowboards having no brakes, but my joke was pretty much calling him a retard for thinking skis have brakes.
@@Purple9721. also you really felt like you earned that run after hiking for it. Started riding in 81 , hiked for my runs for a few years before the resorts came around. Respect for recognizing the struggle!
@@ezakustam I realize that now they do, but I’m pointing out that a shocking amount of people didn’t realize what the ski breaks were that they mentioned in the video
I was a part of the skier vs. snowboarder wars back in the 80's and early 90's and by the time we won independence and were recognized as citizens we had lost a lot of good men. Our entire elite "Smart Aleck" team 6 was completely wiped out before we signed our truce.
Isn't this still a thing in USA though lol? Everyone has to be either on one or the other side, never in between 🙄 (Edit: In virtually everything, not just snow transportation)
"They don't see our point, they only see their own point, and it's sort of a tunnel vision." "Do you see any compromise in the future at all?" "No, we just like to say that we don't want them at all!" What a great way to get past tunnel vision 😂
@@Freedom2286 I'm sure it happened. There was just no internet back then. These days you do something dumb and you get crucified on social media. It's fucking lame.
I started snowboarding in 1987 and only a few resorts in Utah would allow it. Power Mountain was very accomidative to snowboarders so half the people on the mountain were snowboarding...but they required us to take a test to prove we could snowboard safely and I had to carry an special snowboarding ID card with me. It's funny looking back. But within a few years nearly every resort opened up to snowboarding. Those were fun times. I was 16 and felt like a rebel doing something the grumpy old people didn't approve of.
I haven't been snowboarding in a long time, but this definitely nailed it. Growing up, the skiers were generally the entitled, wealthy, snobs and the snowboarders were stoners, skaters, and just generally lower and middle class people. It wasn't 100% like this, but by and large it was.
@@salazam For real. Add in the cost of gear, transportation, etc. and it's one of the more expensive activities. Hockey is similar, unless you live somewhere that has frozen ponds in the winter.
My friend had a ski that came off without breaks and it went down the mountain several hundred meters because the breaks didnt engage. I've also seen it in some other places. Luckily, the slopes in question were challenging, so there were very few people on them, and no one was hurt, but it took like 10 minutes to find the ski as it went into a creek. I use telemark skis, so I don't have to worry about that. I simply have leashes, and they can't go anywhere.
@@soldandroad Yes, they don't have exactly brakes. But there are special "antennae" that when you put them on a slope, they will not go fast but will stuck, unlike a snowboard which, if you put it on a slope, will go very long and fast. Just a fact. I snowboard myself. Of course, if you put the snowboard correctly upside down, then it will not go. But it's more about when it slips out of someone by accident.
@Viktoria wow so you're one of those snowboarders lipping people off, huh? And yes, as I said, skiis don't have brakes. They have antennas. I know whenever I need to stop my car, I wag my antenna a few times, and it magically stops. Yeah Victoria...antennas lmao 🤣 have fun, and stay safe on the slopes, thanks for the detailed response!
I can only speak for Europe, but whilst snowboarding really did “take off” during the late 80s and remained highly popular ever since, it appears to have tailed off a bit over the last 4-5 years. I ski in the Alps several times each season, have done for 20 years, and although still popular, the proportion of boarders to skiers has definitely noticeably dropped compared with a couple of years ago. Maybe it was partly driven by a certain cool and youthful image which by its very nature tends to be transient.
"They don't see our point, they only see their own point... tunnel vision of a sort." Says the guy who didn't see the snowboarders' point, only saw his own point and had tunnel vision.
Was hoping to find this posted after I heard that absurd comment. I’m sure this man struggled socially in his life lol “You go up politely to ask them to leave cause they’re endangering others and themselves and they lip you off” It doesent get more cringe than that. Poor guy
I like how he said they were "being uncooperative" - I mean, you're telling them to stop and leave... You wouldn't be having the conversation if they were "cooperative" with your uncompromising position they shouldn't exist lol
To be fair. It's his job to make them not use their snowboards. So of course they don't want a compromise with the snowboarders, they just want them to stop so they don't have to bother with "extra work" on their job.
I used to ski before I tried snowboarding and fell in love with it. My dad used to be a ski instructor back in the day, so I think he was a little disappointed at first, but let's be real, it wasn't the first time I disappointed my pops
This is SO Funny! I could be wrong but it looks like snow boarding is a way more popular downhill activity these days and ski mountains are fighting tooth and nail for their business. I remember being an avid skier between 1976 - 1990, mostly on the east coast, and I remember how amazed I was seeing these 1st snowboarders bombing down the slopes! I was an OK skier, but i was probably more of a menace to other skiers back then than any snow boarder...haha!
Yup thats my Uncle, he started drinking heavily around the time that snowboarding was in the 1998 Olympics... These days he mostly just sits with a bottle of rum and tells old ski stories even though he cant ski anymore since his collision with a snowboarder in Banff
Running up the hill to poach the snow on a fancy new "skiboard", running from ski patrol, all while rocking a mullet and some tunes on a mobile cassette player? What a time to be alive.
@@dakth7434 I grew up in the late 70s / early 80s. I can tell you that muscle cars was not a normal vehicle. I grew up in a garage and our family have few muscle cars over the years so it was common for me but not a common site to see driving down the road everyday. Chances are you was gonna see a k car, chevette or something cheap along them lines. Your right about the games though lol I miss them haha
He's trying to close down the rec center to build a fancy club for rich people. But it all depends on the big ski/snowboarder race. Get your skis shined up grab a stick of juicy fruit, the taste is gonna move ya.
@@loganharris6379 Then they aren't liberals. A tenant of liberalism is to listen to both sides and extract ideas to suit the governed and increase equality in front of the law. Ya didn't expect a philosophy lesson in this comments' section, eh?
"Sir, could you define the word 'irony' for me please?" "No, and if you'll excuse me I have to get back to work stopping people sliding down this hill with two feet on one board instead of one foot each on two skinnier boards."
This brings back memories ! Started snowboarding right in this time frame.. I would go to Summit county CO. Keystone didn't allow snowboards because and I quote "They wanted their ski resort to be family oriented!" Often I would snowboard an entire day and not see one other snowboarder... first board was the first year Burton Air.. Still have it... though it took some damage at Pikes Peak back country !
This is hilarious, it's incredible that this was a controversy at one point. Also, I love that they're calling them missiles and dangerous when all the boarders they showed were barely moving and barely able to stand up
THEY'RE MISSLES! says local man with two spears strapped to his boots. Burton wisely got rid of that bullet shape though. If you want to see who won just take a look at shaped skis now.
Yeah, and it's like that most of the time, if u can't snowboard right most likely before catching dangerous speeds u'll catch an edge and fall, while on skiis u can way more easily get a lot of speed without turning and not fall
This is the 80's, the real 80's. You should of heard the hoopla over CCTV's and multiculturalism... The only people that owned computers were businessmen and nerds. The only people that had tattoos were military, heavy metal musicians, and criminals (and wh0res).
@@ACESandElGHTS not trying to start an argument or anything but surprisingly, shaped skis were developed almost entirely separate from the influence of snowboarding. This video actually shows why, no ski companies wanted to listen to snowboarders. Elan introduced true side cut skis in the 90s, and changed racing forever. These were developed in Norway where artisans and craftsmen have been experimenting with ski shape and design for well over a hundred years. In the early 2000s, Shane McConkey developed the Volant Spatula which was the first true freestyle powder ski. This was the first ski to include reverse side cut, tip and tail rocker, twin tips, and a decambered profile. McConkey thought of all these innovations almost entirely on his own, an exception being that Scott Gaffney gave him the idea for a decambered ski. One of the only true innovations that snowboarding influenced was the Atomic Powderfat in 1988 (production name was the Powder Plus). The Powderfat was essentially an atomic snowboard that was cut in half and then made into a functioning pair of skis. However this did not catch on and was relatively forgotten about. So well snowboarding certainly didn’t detract from ski shape evolution, it also had a very minimal effect on it. The true effect of snowboarding was getting more people into freestyle skiing and to adopt a more relaxed approach to the sport. The effect snowboarding had on skiing culture, outside of ski design and technology, is absolutely immense. There’s a reason a lot of us freestyle skiers joke that snowboarding is the best the to ever happen to skiing 😂. Anyways if you read this whole history lesson I definitely appreciate it, as I’ll take any excuse to nerd out about skiing history 😂
I really love americans , the most friendly ppl i've met. But this cultural phenomena to make up some crazy propagandistic things to trash something you don't like is crazy. They do it in a polite way though ^^
Funny this. Have been skiing for 48 years, my sister made the move to snowboarding mid 90's. Can't remember any slopes that forbade snowboarders (Europe). Not fond of beginners because they tend to scrape the snow of the piste but very grateful helping to get the carve ski's and all the other modern ski's developed. It was pretty darn hard to turn on 7 ft very straight ski's I can tell you.
Well, to be fair, new snowboarders are the worst people on the mountain. They are falling more often (and more abruptly), and they tend to sit down a lot... usually at busy junctions where lots of people are trying to pass through. I can imagine that when snowboarding first started out, everyone was a beginner, and all of them were just on the floor most of the time (the video actually seems to support this). I can imagine how a mountain with mostly stable skiiers would reject this.
I came here to refute you're statement, but you are completely spot on. Occasionally I will try explaining to the people sitting on the other side of a gnoll that they should move. Most get it, with a few telling me to fuck off because they can do what they want. Which is fine. They can get hit by someone else that's going 30 mph on that stretch who wasn't able to narrowly avoid them that time.
Nick Ross and skiers got it their first time eh? No, you also fell flat on your ass, or front, or side many many many bloody times and to guys like me who jump off their lift with boards strapped on and spray 8 feet of snow every turn you guys were also pain in the ass noobs.
White elitists don’t want others to play. Probably because then they can’t feel superior anymore because the rest of the world finds it they actually suck at their own sports 😂 It has been that way with soccer, hockey, golf, baseball and many more sports. “We don’t want young kids and non whites and women here!”
I was a kid living in Snowmass Village in the 80’s. My buddy and I both got snowboards for Christmas. We’d take them on the mountain after the slopes closed. Occasionally we’d get a ride from a cool snowcat driver…usually we’d take the shuttle to the top of the Village and hike uphill for a while. We really felt like we were getting away with something.
My father served in the great skier/snowboarder war of 1985. He once said "We lost a lot of good men on those slopes." Other than that he never spoke of it. After he died I found some of his old lift tickets in a trunk in the attic. Never knew he was a decorated hero. Thank you for your service, gents. War is hell.
This sort of discrimination has been going on for decades, I remember being so nervous coming out to my parents when I was 16 as a snowboarder, they were surprised but thankfully very supportive
legend has it that mustache sits on his porch all day in the rocking chair. when the kids next door ball lands on his yard. he yells and take the ball. never to return it. legend has it.
I love watching stuff like this. I am old enough to remember the 80's and was skiing myself. Back then skateboards was illegal, at least here in Norway, but we loved skiing and iirc snowboards was quickcly accepted here 🤔
ski brakes are the things on the skiis where if you snap your boots onto the ski they come up, and come down like a couple of kickstands when theyre unsnapped. so the guy was talking about the possibility of snowboards without a rider going down the hill and slamming into someones shin or calf.
I DOWNHILL SKIED MY BALLS OFF FROM 75 TO 92 MAINLY ON THE EAST COAST AND A COUPLE OF TRIPS TO SNOWMASS AND I NEVER ONCE SAW OR HEARD ABOUT SNOWBOARDING AND THE ATTITUDE AGAINST SNOWBOARDING IN THIS ARTICLE IS LUDICROUS
Alpine Meadows was a great place to ski in the 80's and 90's. They were the last place in CA to allow snowboarding, in 1997. Like many others at the time. I thought it was a gigantic mistake. My son was 13 in 1997, and was already an expert skier, with 10 years of experience. He took to boarding like a duck to water, and within a season or two, was passing up dear old dad, even though I was a youthful and athletic 45. Twenty-five years later, it's the same story, even though he now only gets to ride 3 or 4 days a year, and I regularly get in 10X that in retirement. Ahaaaaah, youth!
Well I can honestly say I never had a drink while skiing. Aside from that one time that is and the time before that and all the times before that and in 3 weeks when I'm at crystal mountain. But those fewish times that's it!
Only boarders and skaters drink, and lip off, look at that music they all listen to, and those tattoos, and mohawks, dead giveaway they're only out to do bad... lol... too bad those bone heads all had posters of glen plake and Scott schmidt on their office walls, but never looked at them when talking about us...lol!
I was just reading Sapolsky's chapter in the book Behavior on Us vs Them ideology, and this fits perfectly. Like I almost want to be a teacher just to share that chapter and this video together.
Snowboarder and skateboarder in these ages (I was young) but I remember society not wanting me around. I was a misfit to them. Glad we paved the way to today's fun hobbies
They aren’t talking about breaks for when the person isn’t on the skis, when you step into a ski binding the breaks retract and when the binding is disengaged the breaks are applied, stopping runaway skis
I am 53, my first time using a board was a little late in life (27) as boarding was frowned upon and really did not gain momentum until the early 90's. It took a few attempts until I was ale to grasp using a board but have not looked back. I guess if I was out west on a double diamond, I would put on a pair of ski's, but boarding is so much more rewarding.
Dude, going down a double-d on a board is so much more terrifying and exhilaratingly awesome. Every time you 180 you pick up so much speed with the board pointed straight down the mountain. If you catch an edge and can't turn, you're screwed! The easiest way is usually to hop while making your turn.
Just like those other fads of tattoos, piercings, and skateboards, they will slip into obscurity until no one remembers what in the hell any of them even are.
"They don't see our point, they only see their own point, and it's sort of ah tunnel vision of a sort." Good to see confession through projection, and lack of self awareness aren't new things.
I just came home from snowboarding for the first time in 10+ years to find this video recommended to me after my buddy who’s much older than me mentioned how snowboarders weren’t allowed to ride on the mountain once.
I remember being a kid in Canada in the 90s, my parents telling me to quit snowboarding and go back to skiiing. "What are you going to do when you're an adult, snowboard? Dont be ridiculous. What if you're with your co-workers, no one will respect you."
I honestly can't figure out how some idiot can't see that tying one thing to each foot and tying one thing to both feet to slide down a snowy hill is the same shit.
Dude: "They don't see our point, they only see their own point. Kind of a tunnel vision of sorts" Reporter: "Do you see any compromise happening?" Dude: "No"
@@generalyellor2187 amateur Olympic wrestling you moron. Alot of pro wrestlers are on the road 250-300 days a year destroying their bodies by the way. So congratulations you're doubly stupid.
Lived this. Been boarding for 30+ years. I remember when my local resorts started allowing snowboarding for the first time. We had to demonstrate to ski patrol on the bunny hill that we could turn-right, left and stop. Then we would get our “ski-boarder” card which would allow us to get a lift ticket.
Makes sense. I made the mistake of getting to the top of a ski hill my first time snowboarding, only to find out I couldn't turn. I was aggressively competent at stopping though. I think it must've taken an hour to get down
Ha. Same. I remember that there was 1 hill within 500km that allowed it. We'd go there once in awhile... but mostly it was finding our own hills and building jumps. When some of the hills slowly let snowboarders on I remember the verbal abuse being thrown our way from skiers. I was a punk, skateboarder kid... so I kind of leaned into it.
D. Feliciano how were these the millennials? Millennials would be the snowboarders, trying something new. The skiers would be the older generation, afraid and against the new/unknown.
I'm old fashioned. I use ole' drum brakes. My vegan cousin keeps telling me "oh, go electric, the you get regen brakes and they're more powerful yada yada yada!". She also talks about self boarding hands free snow boards. What's next? Some kind of, pneumatic air brake!?! Ha! Give me a 'brake!
You guys realize he is talking about the sticks that go down in the snow when you disconnect the boots from the ski right?? It is to stop the skis from running down the mountain by themselves when you fall.
... many years later, "Now, we have no skiers, they all have snowboards!" People were stuck in time in the late 80s and 90s. I was born '87 and can just remember how complacent yet annoyed with all the new fads.
My Grandpa started snowboarding when he was about age 50 in the late 1980's. He drove a yellow 72 Corvette with my Dad, Uncle and himself up i70 to the Colorado resorts (that allowed it at the time) very frequently and got pretty good at boarding. His friends all couldn't believe it, because most of them were the ones complaining about Snowboarders. Fortunately I got to ride with him, my Dad and Uncle at my local ski area in Washington one day maybe 12 years ago or so. He was the only dude over 70 years old on a snowboard that day, and my mom got a photo of all of us together that I have framed hanging on the wall in my room. He's older and doesn't ride anymore, but I'm grateful that we all got to do it together. Even if it was just one day. Edit: I'm working on getting a photo uploaded, not sure the best way to go about it. If anyone has ideas please let me know!
@@rschuyler Breckenridge was the first to allow boarders in 84. Not sure about the others but he's told me stories of them at Copper, Breck, Winter Park and Loveland primarily. He did say Keystone was Anti-Boarder for a little while
I feel you Bro! My dad decided to take it up in his mid 50's during the 80's after watching me race or ride every weekend. I didn't want him to so he went out on his own and learned by trial and error until I felt he was good enough for the slopes. He was an absolute rock star at Waterville Valley NH and he loved every minute of it but not as much as I loved seeing him do it, His friends still remind of it today and how much he loved talking about it at work. RIP Dad until we ride again.
imagine them being able to see where snowboarding ended up; just being able to have them see Never Not (nike snowboard film). Would love to see the reaction.
Mustache: "They don't see our point, they only see their own point" Interviewer: "Do you see any compromise in the future?" Mustache: "No... We don't want them at all" God I love me a good ol' fashioned hypocrite
