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After all, this movie is a quattro joke is the best 4x4 drive and movies of this type are pointless because a colleague recording a movie in the winter will not set himself up with snow to his knees so that your Opel Wgl moved then ahha
@@cajsertv4062 Talking about snow - are you aware of the fact that the system the Opel is using comes from Saab? And where is Saab from, ain't that a land of snow?
@@cajsertv4062 Nervous laugh ain't an answer. Not to mention that you obviously have no idea what kind of awd system is that. And considering your previous comment you don't know much about Quattro systems, do you?
I'd love to genuinely agree but they're going down and down. Still, I like the insignia but bigger engines wouldn't be bas as options. The new one doesn't even feature a v6
Insignia's advantage = eLSD Its AWD system is, in fact, far more sophisticated than "just a Haldex". It comprises of a traditional multi-plate clutch (Haldex IV) and of an additional multi-plate clutch installed in the rear axle differential. Thanks to it, the vehicle's steering control system can use "torque vectoring" by applying differential lock mechanism -> eLSD. Electronically controlled limited-slip diff. Read about Saab XWD - it is the same as later installed in most of the Insignias. It gives a significant advantage while driving dynamically in curves - reduces understeer by applying torque to the outer rear wheel. Brakes are not used on the rear axle to "emulate" diff lock. Insignia is a very stable car, with very well-performing AWD system acting proactively before ESP has to intervene. I drove such Insignia for 3 years, and now I have the one with Twinster AWD, which is even better.
That's not exactly correct. Limited slip diff isn't applying torque to the outer rear wheel. It is increasing the torque on both wheels. That is why Twinster is better - it can apply torque to the outer rear wheel due to separate clutches for left and right wheels.
Please, take a look at the detailed explanation of how Insignia's AWD is built and how it is used by the vehicle's stability control system to distribute torque between axles and between individual rear wheels as well: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-D1K4VWC3VnY.html It can distribute up to 2700 Nm of torque (appx. half of top engine's performance in full throttle and 1st gear) to the rear axle. Moreover, the hydraulically-driven and electronically-actuated eLSD device can transfer up to 1200 Nm between rear wheels (side-to-side). It is used proactively while in curves to send more torque to the wheel with better grip (the outer wheel). There is no open differential - the eLSD is active and behaves accordingly to the stability control system settings (torque changes are actuated every 80 miliseconds or so). The use of eLSD is proactively enabled to ensure stability in tight curves or when rapidly changing direction. While driving, it doesn't wait for a wheel spin - it distributes torque as calculated by the stability control system. So it is a torque vectoring system. While accelerating from a start, it can distribute most of the available torque to a single rear wheel (without applying brakes). The GKN Twinster does the same but more efficiently and is more compact and lighter (there is no differential at all). There are two distinct areas of the AWD system: The mechanical side (how it is realised), and the control side (how it is applied), the second being the "brains" of the system, which is a very important but often omitted topic. From the mechanical point of view the system has its limitations, of course, like overheating, but in normal driving conditions it represents state-of-the-art system. The Insignia itself isn't well-built, because it is a nose-heavy family car with natural tendention to understeer, like most of the FWD cars. The AWD helped to reduce it, but one has to remember to golden rule: Keep gas pedal pressed in curves :) If you release it, you have a FWD ;)
@@mikihupcej3479I got a 2010 one, 2.0T 4x4 initially 220 bhp (actually dyno'ed it before I remapped it 2 months ago and it showed 219.5 bhp). Now on a remap it was dyno'ed at 285.5 bhp and 49kg of torque and it goes like there is no tomorrow. I have 155k km on the odometre, no issues whatsoever so far except the interior plastics started being a bit creaky on bad roads in the summer (but hey we have like constantly more than 35 degrees here in Greece in summer). Keep in mind it is a 14 year old car now so a bit of creaking is not unacceptable on bad roads, and I really am talking just a little bit, most people wouldn't complain about it. All I need now is a bigger intercooler, intake and exhaust and take it to my guy to log it. It should reach about 310 bhp after I install everything and log it to change the map for the new things.
@@przemekwlodarczyk9029 Zerknij na komentarze pod tym filmem: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-yPZsIU2twLE.html Dopytaj tam użytkownika Beaviso Paulaner, jest bardzo dobrze zorientowany w temacie Insigni.
@@XverTy95 Po wyłączeniu ESP/TC napęd Insignii może osiągać taki efekt, jak pierwsza generacja quattro przy zablokowanych dyfrach. Co w tym śmiesznego?
@@Ghermy no gasoline Subaru will get 38 mpg at 65 mph like my Buick Regal TourX 2.0T with torque vectoring AWD. Call me when Tesla offers a $25,000 wagon the size of mine.
@@normt5463 For the extra money a Tesla costs, I would buy an equivalent petrol car AND tons and tons of fuel. Electric is ideal but still too expensive imo.
Insignia uses same haldex system as Saab, so Scandinavians driving around the Arctic circle in snow and ice in below zero temps..... They know a thing or 2 about 4x4 systems so 👍
Rollers only say half of the story. Opel uses haldex. It's interesting that Audi is almost always worst performing vehicle on rollers but on snowy road grip and control is best out there.
@@lamazver Actually the awd system of Insignia can do the same as Quattro gen 1 on its maximum armament (locked at center and rear). Does anybody claim that Quattro 1 was bad?
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Nobody said that any of those drivetrains are bad. But from regular viewer of your video people tend to see that quattro needs more time/effort to come off. I personally own quattro with crown gear center diff and I'm genuinely jealous of those that have optional rear sport differential because its really great option for sports driving that audi actually isn't best at. Yours videos are great! Keep em coming🍻
Why people think audi quattro is the best,it was first massproduced awd but there are better systems,and audi fanboys are allways talking that quattro is better,i had one friend that claimed his audi a4 b5 quattro is far better then passat b5 4motion from the other friend,but they were the same car.
Sława Quatro wywodzi się tylko i wyłącznie z reklamy, a w Polsce, że po komunie nic innego w osobówkach głównie nie było to ludzie się podniecali audi quatro. Teraz w końcu zaczęła się trochę inna era, Polaków jest stać na różne rzeczy i jest dostępność i powoli okazuje się, że to co kiedyś było legendarne wcale aż takie do końca legendarne być nie powinno co pokazują takie testy jak na tym kanale. W Polsce niestety dalej żyje się stereotypami.. już dawno audi, mercedes to nie jest wzór dobrego wykonania (przynajmniej te zwykłe modele), a ludzie dalej afiszują się marką gdzie nie ma to zupełnie najmniejszego sensu bo jest tyle wspaniałych samochodów, wystarczy wejść, obejrzeć, przejechać się, i okazuje się, że mamy oprócz niemieckich aut również na rynku fajne samochody innych koncernów - Francuzy, Amerykańskie, Japońskie, Koreańskie itp.. mam znajomego około 60 lat, który kupił citroena sam samochód mu się podoba, ale jeździ nim od 3 lat i nie może zdzierżyć, że ma logo citroena mimo, że sam samochód którym jeździ mu się podoba… to siedzi u wielu Polaków w psychice , a najgorsze jest powielanie stereotypów. Tak samo zauważyłem istnieje stereotyp u wielu starszych ludzi, że jak samochód jest duży i czarny to limuzyna i musi być dobry, a jak jest mały i nie czarny to już nie jest dobry bo według stereotypu nie jest już duży, czarny i dobry 😂 kompletnie idiotyczne podejście, małe, lekkie samochody są równie do dobre, a czasami nawet lepsze niż większe samochody bo różnymi względami. Jak ktoś nie potrzebuje wielkiej kolumbryny to po co ma jeździć wielkim samochodem i wozić wolne miejsce.
Thanks. It is recommended to change all tyres but if the rear ones are OK and the tread is not worn out much then it's OK to change just the front ones.
No issues with mine, I've a 2016 with a B20DTH 170bhp engine. 105k miles on the clock & still drives like new. Trick is, treat your car as you would treat your body. The car only ever gets Castrol Edge Titanium oil & DPF cleaner every second full tank of diesel.
@@jasonjdelaney4998 it’s the A20DTH that have the most issues. low oil pressure, leaking coolant tanks, snapped cambelts, DPF issues and even quite a lot of them setting on fire at the side of the road. To be fair your car is only 5 years old, keep it until it’s 10 years old and then decide if it’s a good car.
@@marcinhorowski1656 A cóż takiego nadzwyczajnego robi torsen? Ten mechanizm ma ponad sto lat, Audi lata temu zaczęło go porzucać na rzecz innych rozwiązań, zarówno mechanicznych, jak i sterowanych elektronicznie.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers in Germany no problem 😅😉 That would be very interesting because the Insignia-B (Buick Regal GS, Vauxhall Insignia-B) has 4x4 Torque Vectoring 👍
@@ChrisTian-ex9yc It is not a problem to find a car. The problem is to find an owner who will share it for the test ;) And yes, Insignia B has Twinster system.
That a6 has torsen center diff, opel has a multi-clutch assembly, but not a real diff. That test is about ELECYRONICS, not about diff's. It's about how fast reacts traction control via the abs system which simulate a psudo-limited-slip diff, apply the brake on the wheel(s) which had no grip.
@@napraznicul Newer version doesn't have center diff to, it doesn't even have rear diff but it probably handles much better than torsen Quattro, so I wouldn't stick to it too much.
Opel wychodzil z haldex z eLSD wiec tj spora przewaga, aczkolwiek tu nie wiemy czy jest w pojezdzie. ;) a tu macie informacje dlaczego torsen zadzialal tak a nie inaczej. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-XdI9dGZ9IC4.html
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers nooo to nie ma co porownywac xD szpera sie zaciesni wiec trakcja jest na dwa kola a nie jak przy "otwartym" dyfie xd ja doceniam bardzo to eLSD. Robi robie glownie w zakretach, ostrych manewrach, autko bardzo stabilne;)
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers podobno tryb sport zapina na stale tyl. Ciekawe ile w tym prawdy a to o czym mowisz moze miec sens w koncu te systemy maja za zadanie stabilizacje toru jazdy. Choc podobno sam sterownik Haldexu rowniez bierze odczytu z pompy abs ;)
Audi be like " They see me rollin' on rollers " but I can't get out of them :))) opel is king here , ok diesel ....hmm nea but a petrol engine :>:> better , love you guys
