It's the SRF, only slower and somehow crazier to race. Of course I love it. spenardsimulation.com/ Follow me like a stalker! (please dont actually stalk me... duh) / emptybox_007
The real version of vees is hilarious too. The Vee Club here in Southern Ontario showed up and ran an half mile oval once....5 wide into the corner first lap and it was rare they were not two or three wide every lap. The stock car guys were applauding at the end . One hell of a show
the FV I have now won that race back in the day, it was a wild race from what I heard. unfortunately, other oval FV races have not always gone so well... with the old ProVee race at IRP ending with many hospital trips.
i wish people in simracing realize more that cars dont have to be fast to be fun the biggest case in point: my favorite car in simracing is a mini cooper. Slow, very very slow. Sure, it takes me over 3 minutes to get around interlagos. But those three minutes are the most flat-out on-the-limit i-feel-like-imma-friggen-die three minutes I can get
Absolutely. Most fun I had in sim racing was in slower cars. The Skip Barber F2000 was lots of fun to race in iR. And I say that even though I really dislike the FFB and the iR physics.
i dont think you have this problem in iracing though. a lot of people drive slower cars, skip barber has a huge community, f3 is popular as hell as well. the iracing system promotes series with cars that you usually dont see driven online in other racing games. for example, very few people drive gt4s in acc even though theyre excellent. if you let players race what they want, all you will see is gt3 on spa and monza. iracing takes a different approach and that results in people trying out new stuff. im from germany, never once in my life did i have an interest in nascar, oval racing. but iracings system made me try it out and low and behold, i actually enjoy it and even spend money on oval content
Not just simracing. I pull 3 lateral gs in my 6gear shifter where as a street legal Lambo only pulls 1. The 52hp on 90kg are mighty. It might only go 160 kph on my tracks or let's say 180 max. But dude, it's 1cm above the track and the air is almost blowing me out of my seat. Same time it's relatively inexpensive too. Lovin it.
Racing slow cars is how you learn to fight wheel to wheel, and how to extract every little bit of lap out of a car, they can be more fun and more rewarding than something like f1 where you don't get to see another car for a full race sometimes
_"Nobody wants to race a Formula Vee in sim racing."_ This is literally my favourite car in sim racing and I will put hours into it in any game that includes it. Racing these things makes me think of dogfighting in World War I biplanes.
People will really buy sim rigs and pc’s between 3500-10k to run around outside the top 10. Meanwhile you’ve got dudes with g27’s and single monitors kicking their asses every race 😂
@@JonathanWestcott whats wrong with people spending a lot of money on their sim rigs? people spend money on their rigs to have a more enjoyable experience, regardless of wether it makes them faster or not. you cannot tell me that using a g27 on a single screen is more fun that running a dd rig with triples, it simply is not. who said youre not allowed to have a decent rig if youre not a good driver?
never really got into road cars and am still rookie in road but when i got into this car i loved how this car felt. i love a challenge and this car gives me that. really looking forward to getting quick in these cars
Matt thank you so much for the racing tips for this car. Staying in 3rd gear helps immensely. In my last session I never got out of 3rd and didn't spin once. Thank you!!!
Yes yes I agree.. some of the most fun videos I've seen from Empty Box were of Skip Barber, Spec Racer Ford and now this Formula Vee. Don't get me wrong oval races and even GT3 or with those hybrid cars and the strategies involved were interesting to see. Matt likes to be clever and its always super fun to see how he goes on doing things. Cant wait for more videos!
Excellent video Matt, and well explained. The racing in this car is the best I've had in iRacing bar none. So far it seems a bit hit and miss with the official races, but when you find yourself amongst a group of like minded drivers, nothing beats it. 👍
My first car was a VW bus, I learned to drift that around dirt roads pretty good. I've driven bugs and square backs too. It's like swinging a hammer, when the rear end gets loose, you only have control of the lightest end.
Two points that make this car great fun are the fixed setup - so a completely level playing field - and its popularity. What I mean by that is that even though this is a Rookie series so many people register that many many splits are made. This then puts you in a group close to your iRating. THAT maximizes the chance you'll have people at your level to dice it up with. And even though this car tops out at 100 mph / 170 kph you're still driving at your limit. Due to that, for me, it feels fast.
Am I the only one who actually feels more of a connection with this car since it is the most likely way I can ever afford to actually go car racing?? I watch formula vees races regularly and am always dreaming of making it be true. Ok I might be biased but the vees were part of what drew me to Iracing.
They are good fun although i have some issues with the gearing(not saying its true to life) as i seem to be in 3rd gear almost the whole lap no matter what track I'm racing.More of a concern though is the slipstream that i find hard to believe is so strong.A small narrow and slow car seems to produce an unholy amount of drag,kind of makes your F1 'DRS' comment rather ironic. Besides that,good video.
If you watch these cars race you'll see these things punch a hole regardless of how bullet like they are. It's a product of having no power. Add in the iRacing car being perfectly equal for everyone and having an even more compressed speed range because the tires slow it down on the straights and speed it up in the corners, you get insanity. DRS makes passes happen in the middle of the straight, this car you still have to earn it in the corner.
This thing is great for teaching new drivers the value of keeping the car balance under control, smooth driving and how much speed you can scrub off just by a small variance in turning. Even on tracks where you are flat out all the way some guys will be faster just because they are smoother and do not scrub off speed. I caught myself needing adjust some cornering.
F-Vee is an awesome tool for learning true race craft. I am mainly an oval racer , I have done some road racing , mostly 24 Hours Of Daytona & other Special Events on iRacing. I believe My first race in F-Vee on iRacing , I started 18th & finished first , i couldn't believe it. I've ran several races since , at a few different tracks and my results were no where near that first race, but man they are a lot of fun. A great learning tool at the least , a VERY fun car to drive.
Us motorbike riders say "it takes more skill to ride a slow bike fast than to ride a fast bike slow". It looks like you're beginning to appreciate that sentiment Dave.
I would actually argue that cars like this are exactly why I wanted to sim race. Grass roots stuff that I don't actually have the means to run in real life that are just a good time. Street stocks legends and late models are what I got on iracing for in the first place, unfortunately the sort of sub community in some of those series ruins it but that experience is exactly why I'm here
This car is so much more fun than the MX-5 to be honest. If it was just for the MX-5, I wouldn't have continued racing on iracing. But the Vee and the Cadillac really sold it for me.
The balance on a Vee is more like 60/40. Also does the suspension use some beetle parts, but those Vees featured in iRacing appearently have the zero-roll rear suspension as introduced with the Caldwell D13, what eliminates entirely the oversteer of the early Vees.
The good news for you then is that this is part of the base subscription and is racing only on base tracks as well in the official series, so if this is all you want to race you'd just need a subscription.
This finally got me to subscribe to iracing again. For some reason, I never liked the MX5 so I never got out of Rookie class. The Formula Vee is so much better. I had a very nice first race at Oulton Park.
Its a VERY twitchy car. If you change down under breaking its back end loses traction and then you swap ends. You have to bring it down to extrememly low revs and change down. Its kinda good for Rookies as you have to learn the charictaristics of teh car and basically learn how to drive. BUT its very unforgiving
Holy shit I remember watching your videos when I was starting Mech. Engineering like 5 years ago. Of course RU-vid recommends me the fuck he wants based on his super advanced self learning algorithm created by God himself.
I haven't tried the Vee yet but it seems that you can easily go the pace of faster drivers beacause of the draft. Not sure if that's a good or a bad thing. Skippy was already kind of a drag race
Actually racing these is great fun. But then comes the iRacing algorhythm. I'm starting as car #7 and ending up 7th. Everyone in front got more iR and I'm punished -50 pts iR.
Vees are Beetle based, but they ARE NOT rear engine cars. The transmission is modified to run "backwards" Makin this a traditional mid-engine formula car. The balance is nothing like what you're describing.
@@JonathanWestcott Yes, he did. He personally admitted as much a year or so later. Funny how all the Senna-glorifying documentaries and video essays completely ignore that fact.
@@TheGravyMonster simply because you don't touch Senna... On track he can be a douch bag as everyone else but people like to have the "good" Senna and "bad" Prost...
@@27pattywhack2 I'll admit I missed the possible typo in the original comment. But there's so many stupid YT comments these days that it's hard not to get bitten by Poe's law once in a while.
the problem with formula vee is that the money and skill required to build 8020 simrig with direct drive to simulate driving formula vee, you could have build a real life formula vee. This car is gonna disillusion some people.
Boy oh boy....wish I would have watched this last night. I was leading a Vee race at Laguna....come to take the white flag....and blew my motor up shifting to 3rd :I
There is way too much obsessing about Ferraris and Lambos in sim racing that probably don't even drive like Ferraris or Lambos in real-life, or even if they do, are practically indistinguishable from Audis or McLarens. Sim devs spend a lot of money bringing these prestige brands to their sims in what is largely a waste of money and adds very little to the actual driving experience. More people should learn to appreciate these quirky cars like the FVee that drive like nothing else and provide a unique experience, even if it's slow and idiosyncratic at first. They are supposed to be racing simulators, not "boring playboy cruising simulators". Put the driving experience first and foremost.
it seems like the same story with Oval/Stock Cars since most people are always playing with NASCAR Stuff. if iRacing was willing to scan more small short oval cars like FWD 4 cylinders, Hobby Stocks/Pure Stocks, While it already has legends, Bandoleros, Mod Lites, and Dwarf Cars, Sportsman Stock Cars, theres a lot of local short track content that just seems to not be taken into account by the userbase for the high speeds and glamor of the NASCAR content. Everyone starts somewhere and that needs to be emulated imo
@@TacticalCardboard I agree there too. I think the selection is still pretty good for short track oval cars and some road cars can do pretty well on ovals as well but again, NASCAR stuff takes away from the other short track cars that are arguably more fun to race than NASCAR content. Except the ARCA car, that thing is Goated.
Still the same thing though, you stop driving the car once it gets sideways you just make it 100% more worse for the exact same reasons those 911s were supposed death traps.
