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Snowpiercer's Real Meaning 

Tyler Mowery
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@TylerMowery
@TylerMowery 5 лет назад
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@d33763
@d33763 4 года назад
Tyler Mowery You are right, this movie resembles more of 1984 than anything else. The entire train lacks capitalists, but instead has a one man dictator. In capitalism, we embrace money/capital, leader glorification is rare if not non existence.
@panafexcompany
@panafexcompany 4 года назад
This movie is an exact representation of the system we live in. Capitalism or more accurately currency is nothing but a control tool to keep the 99.9% of humans working to support the system as slaves all in their places in a prison. The train represents the currency slave system we live in that’s controlling everything. The only way to be truly free is to blow it up and get off the train.
@MeuFilho-EL
@MeuFilho-EL 3 месяца назад
An anime also explain the same theme, but in another perspective. ( ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-HOG05sB3C1M.htmlsi=FTtzEbE_FFchjsPG )
@TheThing4444
@TheThing4444 5 лет назад
I think the Polar Bear is a great sign. The fact an apex predator is living show there's must be a stable ecosystem.
@swaghauler8334
@swaghauler8334 4 года назад
It also tells you that Humans can survive there; As a properly clothed Human can survive any temperature that a polar bear can. Thus Mr. Wilfred was lying about the outside temperatures because NO LIFE currently alive in the Arctic can withstand -178 C as a temperature.
@swaghauler8334
@swaghauler8334 4 года назад
@Aplles NO ANIMAL can survive -178 CELCIUS. That's -288 degrees Fahrenheit. The COLDEST temperature ever recorded on Earth was -144 degrees Fahrenheit. The number quoted by Wilfred is DOUBLE that and nearing the freezing points of common gases in our atmosphere.
@swaghauler8334
@swaghauler8334 4 года назад
@Aplles NO ANIMAL can survive just 7 degrees F above the temperature where LIQUID OXYGEN can be formed! The movie itself is fairly ludicrous (no track can last for YEARS without someone performing routine maintenance on it), but the Temps quoted in the movie are BEYOND EXTREME! No polar bear (or anything else) is walking around in -288 F. They'd die from THAT LEVEL of cold.
@swaghauler8334
@swaghauler8334 4 года назад
@Aplles And I hate uneducated people like you. The irony of you calling me a "kid" when you are the uniformed one posting here. First, What does a microscopic water bear (or Tardigrade) have to do with a 1000lb Mammal that needs to eat HUNDREDS OF POUNDS OF MEAT and has a climatological range that starts in the low 50s Fahrenheit and stops around 150 Fahrenheit? By your logic, just because there are microorganisms that can survive in volcanic lava vents or in airless environments, then Mammals should be able to as well. Do you even see the flaw in your argument? My comment points out that Wilfred was lying about how cold it was because a Polar Bear was moving outside. Humans can survive in roughly the same temperature range as that Bear. Assuming that the author knows this, the bear was an "allegory" for the lie that Wilfred had propagated. On your Second Point, I agree. NOTHING about SnowPiercer is even REMOTELY REALISTIC. It is pure fantasy. There is literally NOTHING accurate about it. Even if the engine was fusion-powered, nothing else on that train could withstand those temperatures for years. Here's a little experiment for you. Go to your nearest medical supply store and buy a small canister of Liquid O2 (which is just 7 degrees F colder than SnowPiercer claims). Put that in a bucket. Now get the hardest piece of steel you can find and submerge it in the LO2 for a few minutes. Then, using tongs (so you don't freeze your fingers off), take that steel out and DROP IT on a hard surface and just watch what happens. And I have some personal experience here. I went to the US Army's Arctic Warfare School in the early '90s. I KNOW what -100 Fahrenheit feels like. It SUCKS and you have about 7 seconds of exposure in it before things (like ears, fingers, & toes) start to freeze solid. At those temps, steel can shatter like glass if you hit it hard enough.
@philfrank5601
@philfrank5601 3 года назад
@@swaghauler8334 don't stroke out, it's just the internet, Kid.
@clairehiggins9685
@clairehiggins9685 4 года назад
I actually had a different view of the polar bear. The polar bear to me showed hope. There was life outside of the train and the world outside of the train seemed to slowly becoming sustainable
@lennybruester1031
@lennybruester1031 2 года назад
That’s what every comment is about. Not really a “different view”
@jaredrubin7843
@jaredrubin7843 Год назад
it dont matter what freaking animal they used here, they wanted to show that life can go on in this environment. stop pretending to make it complicated, to show how smart u guys are
@Robin-gt7qg
@Robin-gt7qg 7 лет назад
I think, actually the whole movie was about people from the lower class rising up in society. In the end, Curtis actually had the chance to even become the most powerful man in society. But he realizes, that all the "evil" things Willford had done were necessary for the survival of the society as a whole. So he decided, that this form of society is not worth to continue existing and he used his position of power to destroy it. After all, the only people who could do that are the people in the head of the train. I also think that the train is just a metaphor. It stands for the society. After a global catastrophe, a new society formed. Its made from different classes (people with different tickets). The cold landscape resembles the live without society: No save foot, no protection,... Everyone who tried to separate himself from society dies due to this things. But it doesn`t make any progress (the train drives along the same route in yearly cycles). So the question the film asks is, if it is better to keep this unjust society running or to go to the struggle of building a whole new society. In case anyone actually read all of this, I want to apologize for my bad English and I wish you a nice rest of the day.
@TylerMowery
@TylerMowery 7 лет назад
interesting thoughts. thank you for commenting!
@Reisen6897
@Reisen6897 7 лет назад
i'd say it was more about emotion versus logic. Logically, Curtis understood that in order for humanity to continue, the method Willford had been using was all successful and well, but his emotion told him otherwise, so he "saved" Timmy, and followed Nam's suggestion. There was someone who thought even farther than him though, that was non-other than Willford himself, it was quite obvious that Willford had more plans as we heard him say "nice" when Curtis decided to blow the door open instead of taking his place in the monarchy system (really isn't capitalism). My summary of what happened in the movie is, Willford was one of the creator or founder of the CW7 for the gobal warming solution. Instead of cooling the earth down to what it is comfortable for us to live, he accelerated the climate change, forcing the next ice age to come early, cleansing the world. But in order for human to survive, his train comes into an important role of sustaining the "humanity seed". Everything he did in his train for 17 years were calculated near perfect, self-sustaining, working social class, and even the "craziness". Why the craziness? Because when the train had to eventually stop, humanity won't survive by being too soft, we need to hunt, to protect and to build. So to say, it wasn't really craziness, it was more or less wilderness. Willford knew, logical part isn't the only thing humanity is all about, we do have sensible and emotional parts too. So humanity needs a new leader, who had seen some real nasty shit, being all sensitive but at the same time accepted the fact that humanity also need logical solutions to survive, so he "created" Curtis, along with Gilliam. Nam took most of the damage in the explosion so I think Curtis survived, and eventually became the new leader in the sequel(if we have one). Then, Curtis has to use another social structure for all the survivors to live on, probably starting with socialism because currency is screwed anyway so it is unlikely to be capitalism. Although, people who had read the novel might just laugh at what we're discussing right now.
@lacuccaracha610
@lacuccaracha610 6 лет назад
This movie is a peek at the New World Order to come..just like the movies Hunger Game...Maze Runner, Divergent..
@avengerblaze9674
@avengerblaze9674 5 лет назад
Robin E. The whole movie is a full representation of the current world we live in now. Wilford was the President and along with his own kind, like rich and powerful elite, they would control the future, like how Congress and Trump or any other president did, do and will do. Each Car of the train had a separate representation of society, such as the Garden, the night club, the school, and at the bottom, was the needy and or Weak if you prefer. As time went on with him down in poverty, he learned about the other classes of society, but also realized that the only way to create change, is to take it your self. So too me, I would say this is more of an example of where the world is heading, and showing us a glimpse, even of its not entirely accurate and how it will eventually take place.
@CobraDove1111
@CobraDove1111 5 лет назад
The train is the Federal Reserve banking system of debt, the economy we are all debt slaves under. Your birth certificate is a security to use to OFFSET DEBTS
@Lardianyt
@Lardianyt 7 лет назад
5:35 I though the polar bear meant that stuff was alive and they would have food to hunt.
@DirectorKilburn
@DirectorKilburn 7 лет назад
He looked at the downed plane, he explains that before jailed he would always look the plane when passing it, at first he saw only the tail, but as time went on he was more and more of the plane, proving that the snow was melting.
@kamakazilee6066
@kamakazilee6066 7 лет назад
Lardian i think the point of the polar bear at the end is the fact that its come out of hibernation,meaning that life can live again
@mikeconz4369
@mikeconz4369 7 лет назад
No he looked down while in the garden which by that time the train had already well passed the plane, he looked at the plane in the new years bridge scene.
@DirectorKilburn
@DirectorKilburn 7 лет назад
mike conz Yes yekaterina bridge, that's what I meant, not sure about the garden scene
@Thaistickthai
@Thaistickthai 7 лет назад
Manslaughter happy new katerina yah ingreats
@islandonlinenews
@islandonlinenews 7 лет назад
Great film, good analysis.
@CrabTastingMan
@CrabTastingMan 6 лет назад
He completely missed it. It's nothing about an economic or governmental ideology. Americans are so obsessed with whether something is capitalist/socialist or individualistic/totalitarian. Economic systems have very little to do with totalitarianism itself. Any system with no social castes and no way for the members to affect the leader will end up the same thing. Dictatorial capitalism in South America and Southeast Asia and Soviets end up similar.
@lacuccaracha610
@lacuccaracha610 6 лет назад
The Elite are currently perfecting food made of roaches for the masses to eat..their underground cities are well stocked with good food. The Japanese have perfected making human feces into a steak like entre.
@NotQuiteLucid
@NotQuiteLucid 6 лет назад
Wilford vaguely resembles a Japanese shogun in his silk robe. Feudal Japan was the peak example of feudalism
@KEvronista
@KEvronista 5 лет назад
feudalism isn't really trending. KEvron
@campkira
@campkira 4 года назад
king of france... the book base from franch
@willstarks4387
@willstarks4387 7 лет назад
I watched this on the toilet. 10/10
@TylerMowery
@TylerMowery 7 лет назад
+Im Starks wonderful
@justahuman-being5983
@justahuman-being5983 5 лет назад
Glad to know you enjoyed the movie... and your business.
@seanmarcy1183
@seanmarcy1183 5 лет назад
Thanks for sharing that.
@petmycat2720
@petmycat2720 5 лет назад
Will Starks Only an ******IDIOT****** sits on a toilet that long.
@henry8333
@henry8333 5 лет назад
You should have jumped in
@b.w.6919
@b.w.6919 7 лет назад
I never saw the train as capitalism as much as I've looked at it as 'society' or a nation, which makes it a bit more widely applicable. Although you are right about the different classes of people not having the options to change the social structure and relationships of the passengers to the extent that Wilford can, I would argue that this includes the revolutions of the tail section. Just like the Architect of the Matrix and his waxing of how many revolutions he has put down, it's important to note that Morpheus and the humans, just like the tail passengers on the Snowpiercer, believe that their revolution will be the one to end the oppression. There was ample opportunity for different sections to join the rebellion, but none do probably due to the fear of violence and the comfortable lives they have now - they have no idea what life is like in the tail other than dirty, so there's a great disconnect there and you have the forward-sections passengers/upperclassmen people effectively siding with the authority of Wilford since they do nothing to depose it. Whereas the Matrix merely reset the system on new terms, Snowpiercer's answer to the state (Wilford, the masked men, and uniformed passengers) and the rest of society (the other section's complacency in this arrangement) is to remove one of the most important roles from their position, Timmy, which sets in motion the whole derailment of the train and thus the destruction of society.
@Lardianyt
@Lardianyt 7 лет назад
He who values safety over freedom, deserves neither.
@MrPapageorgio
@MrPapageorgio 7 лет назад
And will lose both
@LoudaroundLincoln
@LoudaroundLincoln 4 года назад
Deservings got nothing to do with anything.
@TumblinWeeds
@TumblinWeeds 2 года назад
Except in the movie, those who valued freedom over safety also got neither. Everyone Curtis fought for died horribly, massacred and mutilated, without seeing a glimpse of hope. Everyone who lived peacefully and ignorantly died too. The only survivors are two children who have now met a hungry polar bear. I find it ridiculous some people think the polar bear is food, really, a little girl and a
@lex.cordis
@lex.cordis 8 месяцев назад
You totally missed it. The movie is a gnostic allegory about this material universe being a prison.
@Lardianyt
@Lardianyt 8 месяцев назад
@@lex.cordis I cringe at my younger self sometimes.
@brickbuddystudios
@brickbuddystudios 4 года назад
I think this entire video falls apart when you realize that there was clear symbolism for the limited economic mobility in capitalism through the few back sectioners who get brought into jobs in the middle of the train when they are deemed useful, such as the cook, or the detective in the TV show.
@anonymousmisanthrope
@anonymousmisanthrope 2 года назад
Yeah, exactly. There is also the violinists in the movie.
@thesis-and-nieces6722
@thesis-and-nieces6722 2 года назад
Your logic is incorrect but what your describing is socialism. A central power designates position to its workers for the benefit of that power regardless of will. Capitalism would have meant the back sectioners choose their own position, in order to...capitalize on the benefit of their skill.
@lordwhoopi9132
@lordwhoopi9132 2 года назад
@@thesis-and-nieces6722 What? Socialism is egalitarian. There isn't a central power forcing anyone to do anything under socialism. Everything is decided by the people
@glenda4utoo
@glenda4utoo 2 года назад
I saw Feudalism not Capitolism. Willford is the Lord working its way down to the peasants
@tacosmexicanstyle7846
@tacosmexicanstyle7846 2 года назад
@@thesis-and-nieces6722 You: *sees capitalism* Also you: that’s socialism The central power in Snowpiercer is a far right wing authoritarian state that resembles late stage capitalism, after democracy has fallen. It’s when one corporation (Wilford’s company, with him as the chairman) controls the entire society. Many political thinkers have predicted that this sort of monopoly on society is where capitalism is taking us - wealth will continue to be concentrated until the entire world boils down to just a few classes and one guy at the top. This is so far from the definition of socialism that it’s obvious that you don’t even know what socialism is.
@Alenthas
@Alenthas 7 лет назад
If it were about feudalism, you could still move upwards via knighthood (the police force) or as a wealthy merchant. And as for our "protagonist", he does INDEED move forward due to his aptitude. Notice that how he was being groomed into leadership by the old guy. It was not his divine right to become the leader, he was CHOSEN by the ruler for his leadership abilities, which was established all the way at the beginning of the movie. To me, the seperation of the classes and the fact that the seperate classes (especially the middle class) being doctrinated into hating the lower class and the attempts at keeping the population low and the ecosystem balanced is a DIRECT reference to neoliberalism. You didn't see that type of indoctrination until after the industrialization.
@Alenthas
@Alenthas 7 лет назад
Also, for all intents and purposes this is a contemporary piece. And I can't honestly see what the point would be if it was talking about an ideology long since dead. Few other examples I just realized now, the violinist has been improved into the middle class due to his skill. The cook has also been evelated, only a few carts over but nevertheless it was an improvement for him. The child labor is also very reminiscent of the early capitalism with its chimney sweepers and coal miners.
@Milk-jy1kn
@Milk-jy1kn 4 года назад
Ethan Lion7 maybe its because you just dont focus well enough
@tiaschaeffer6401
@tiaschaeffer6401 3 года назад
Your comments are spot on.
@MattBaker789
@MattBaker789 6 месяцев назад
Neoliberalism IS feudalism
@mattgilbert7347
@mattgilbert7347 7 лет назад
I thought the structure of the social divisions within the train resembled Dante's "Inferno", or perhaps the Divine Comedy as a whole.
@TylerMowery
@TylerMowery 7 лет назад
+Matt Gilbert interesting. Can you elaborate?
@mattgilbert7347
@mattgilbert7347 7 лет назад
Tyler Mowery​ Each new section of train carriages represents a new sin and the corresponding punishment. Each carriage represents a circle of hell. Did you not notice all the "fallen angels" in the nightclub "circle"? At the center of the inferno is Satan, frozen in ice. In the film, the entire world is frozen. The 9th level, where Satan dwells, is the level of traitors, where Satan chews on their bones and flesh.. Cannibalism and being a "traitor to humanity" are themes that we find in Snowpiercer. I think that Inferno probably influenced the narrative, but I have not read the comic.
@mattgilbert7347
@mattgilbert7347 7 лет назад
Tyler Mowery​ It's also worth noting that Curtis and Nangoong's journey through hell is linear, like the journey of Dante and Virgil.
@mattgilbert7347
@mattgilbert7347 7 лет назад
Even the ending echoes "Inferno", where the guide and traveller shifting to the two children. "Inferno" ends with Dante and The Guide (Virgil) returning "to the bright world". This is all off the top of my head, hope it makes sense.
@TylerMowery
@TylerMowery 7 лет назад
+Matt Gilbert interesting. I'll do some more research into that
@ryanperez5457
@ryanperez5457 5 лет назад
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Benjamin Franklin
@krayzieegg7294
@krayzieegg7294 4 года назад
I honestly think it is exactly what the movie is based about.
@LoudaroundLincoln
@LoudaroundLincoln 4 года назад
Deservings got nothing to do with anything
@akmotv8706
@akmotv8706 4 года назад
This is the clearest explanation of this film! You did an amazing job!!
@favixthings
@favixthings 7 лет назад
Man, you are good. I was looking for an affirmative and your video confirmed it.
@TylerMowery
@TylerMowery 7 лет назад
+favixthings thank you!
@theskeletonposse6432
@theskeletonposse6432 7 лет назад
You've got some great stuff. Very thought-out and eloquent.
@TylerMowery
@TylerMowery 7 лет назад
+snerply thank you!
4 года назад
I really loved this movie. At first I thought the main message from this movie was: Are you agree with Wilford or Curtis and the difficulty to answer this question was the reason why I loved this movie. Then I realised that the antagonism was more between Wilford and Nam: Perpetuation or ending.
@misterfire
@misterfire 6 лет назад
I thought the polar bear meant that earth had warmed up enough for animals to thrive, meaning they could thrive too. But after hearing your explanation I do think that the intention of the polar bear was a threat to their existence.
@TylerMowery
@TylerMowery 6 лет назад
a lot of people disagree with me on that point. It's just my opinion!
@ThedeadMapleoak
@ThedeadMapleoak 7 лет назад
Watched it, wanted to find a deeper meaning. Came here and you did a good job. Subbed.
@TylerMowery
@TylerMowery 7 лет назад
+NateDog thank you!
@billygoatideas
@billygoatideas 7 лет назад
Love the video, I haven't seen the film but now I will! Glad to see your channel doing so well man :) well deserved. Get Twitter!
@TylerMowery
@TylerMowery 7 лет назад
+billygoatideas thanks man! Definitely watch the film. I'd love to hear your thoughts.
@seanbarlow
@seanbarlow 7 лет назад
Let's see, so your channel's got movie reviews, film analysis, Hollywood studio political commentary, and now a look at socio-economics in an action movie. If there's anything I can say it's that your videos haven't lacked variety yet. Haha, good work dude.
@TylerMowery
@TylerMowery 7 лет назад
+Sean Barlow hahaha thanks man!
@FatThai-dl8xs
@FatThai-dl8xs 7 лет назад
That is really unique perspective. Thanks.
@InvaderDREN
@InvaderDREN 6 лет назад
Just rewatched this movie. Kickass analysis, keep it up!
@LordEmilous
@LordEmilous 6 лет назад
It's neither about capitalism, nor dictatiorsihp... the movie is about society... the human existence as it currently is. Also, I think the polar bear was a symbol of hope, since it shows that life still exists outside the train.
@TylerMowery
@TylerMowery 6 лет назад
interesting thoughts!
@DanDanNode
@DanDanNode 5 лет назад
The Great Bear is the symbol of a certain ideology...
@dominquepresley3740
@dominquepresley3740 5 лет назад
The polar bear is going to eat them.
@ihatecorpsehusband7147
@ihatecorpsehusband7147 5 лет назад
Ah yes, *we live in a society.*
@hydrofalls8154
@hydrofalls8154 4 года назад
In fact it’s kind of like the Dove only less "It’s going to be better now" but more like "It’s going to be very difficult, but possible". And I find that the two explanations come together. The Snowpeircer is a metaphor of society in the same mindset as explained in the video. The worst placed fight to have a better life, or at least survive. Then those who live more comfortably say that everyone lives in society and that no one escapes it. Who would even be stupid to want to get out. I’m not saying everybody believes that, which would be very hypocritical of me. I’m part of a minority that thinks differently from everyone else. But that was the only explanation I was given. "We live in a Society", strange way to answer to someone who says they don’t feel part of Society or dislike what it represents. Sorry for my poor grammar.
@ValterStrangelove4419
@ValterStrangelove4419 7 лет назад
I interpreted the tail section to represent third world country sweatshop workers that toil long hours in inhumane conditions for peanuts and are not allowed to leave their countries to seek better employment opportunities, so that the middle section (middle class in 1st and 2nd world) can have cheap shoes and smartphones while the front of the train spends the profits from selling the shoes and smartphones on hookers and blow. Some might call that "global capitalism", but if using the word capitalism *triggers* you and your unrequited love for capitalism, than feel free to call it just "the global economy".
@Eurodollartrader
@Eurodollartrader 5 лет назад
Take a 1st grade ECON class, fuckin idiot shithead.
@benjaunceyyy
@benjaunceyyy 6 лет назад
This is so well made, I agree with everything you said!
@MrBradius123
@MrBradius123 5 лет назад
what I love about this film is the thought bubbles it created and stimulated in my mind
@emilavetisyan1756
@emilavetisyan1756 3 года назад
My opinion: The film says that the social order, that is rich and poor, or one ruled over everyone and the mutual killing of people for the creation of a balance, is not the right way. The train has always traveled in a circle, a vicious circle, everyone belongs to their place and this order is not easy to overcome. Nobody wanted to get off the train, except for those who were frozen to death or the Chinese. Almost everyone wanted to be at the head of the train. You forget that there can also be a new life outside the train (Curtis understood that at the end of the day), but you also carry a certain risk with you if you grab at the roots and destroy everything and reform it, i.e. not from that The head of the procession rules, but creates a new order. You overcome the vicious circle, in the end you see a bear that stands for life, but is also dangerous. The two children can only find little useful on the train and a bear outside, which suggests that one can live, but not necessarily survive. Redefining human life can cost humanity. The question is whether one would like to take this route
@EyeXombie
@EyeXombie 4 года назад
The bear didn't represent a problem. It represented hope that things were still alive and that they were using propaganda to lie about the dangers of the cold. They used the frozen people to say look you'll freeze because he knew if he told them the truth they would all leave the train and he would no longer be in control. Which is why the one guy didn't care about shooting through the glass because he knew it wouldn't hurt them.
@pokepumpkin9376
@pokepumpkin9376 2 года назад
That is the truth
@kim84440
@kim84440 7 лет назад
NICELY PUT
@many4173
@many4173 7 лет назад
spot on, i agree. thank you for the insight.
@jonassthr283
@jonassthr283 7 лет назад
Keep up the good work Tyler, you are definitely up there with Nerdwriter and Now you see it.
@TylerMowery
@TylerMowery 7 лет назад
+Jonas Stæhr haha don't flatter me. Those are both great channels that are making much better stuff. But thank you anyways!
@jonassthr283
@jonassthr283 7 лет назад
Tyler Mowery Very true, but yours is great true, and the quality of the content and editing is almost as good.
@TylerMowery
@TylerMowery 7 лет назад
thank you!
@nikijay145
@nikijay145 7 лет назад
on point! you know what's up v well put
@rhibhu3
@rhibhu3 7 лет назад
Watched the movie. Didn't interpret completely. Now it is clear . Nice job mate :)
@TylerMowery
@TylerMowery 7 лет назад
+Rhibhu Chattopadhyay thanks dude!
@giovannarodriguez1484
@giovannarodriguez1484 7 лет назад
Well said!Appreciate your insight!👀💭
@TylerMowery
@TylerMowery 7 лет назад
+Giovanna Rodriguez thank you!
@saragulyas3695
@saragulyas3695 7 лет назад
Amazing explanation! Really enjoyed your video!
@neekadong6573
@neekadong6573 6 лет назад
AGREED 100% really nice analysis mate~
@jessegoonerage3999
@jessegoonerage3999 3 года назад
People at the front of the train: The system works if you deserve it. People in the middle: the system has problems, but if you work hard you can make it there. People at the back: The system does not work, and no matter how hard you try you will never make it to the front of the train.
@bogdanrosu3364
@bogdanrosu3364 4 года назад
Yes, this is a great analysis of the film! Thank you!
@TubeReview2012
@TubeReview2012 6 лет назад
Good video man...I agree wholeheartedly. Wonderfully put
@tonyrichengod9280
@tonyrichengod9280 6 лет назад
Great analysis. I just watched this film and it was absolutely phenomenal! Went in not expecting much and it ended up being one of the best I've ever seen. Really enjoyed the allegory throughout.
@TylerMowery
@TylerMowery 6 лет назад
thanks! Yea the film is super interesting and filled with symbols and metaphors. I love when films do that, if they do it right
@gatoski3603
@gatoski3603 4 года назад
We all know it's just a sequel of Willy Wonka
@TylerMowery
@TylerMowery 4 года назад
True
@logan-dm5zp
@logan-dm5zp 4 года назад
@LeDon lmao he hearted ur comment
@ND-ub5ss
@ND-ub5ss 3 года назад
Be original
@dbshdifbsa
@dbshdifbsa 3 года назад
1. Each section of the train represents the evolution of human society. Primitive brutal section -> little war -> discovery of outside world (windows starts to appear) & hunting (protein block factory) -> massive war -> agriculture & fishing & animal husbandry -> organized teaching (=modern country) & industry (music, book, medicine, guns starts to appear) 2. The movie always proceeds in one direction, from left to right. The right side represents progress, but it has a dead end. And the movie suggests an alternative way, outside of the train. 3. The polar bear, which locates at the top of the food chain, represents that the ecosystem outside the train is fully recovered. The movie shows an open and hopeful ending. 4. According to the director, a monologue of a grown-up black man was supposed to be included after the ending, but it was deleted. PS:The fish scene was originally scheduled for a rabbit, but it was replaced by a fish because it seemed too cruel. It was a homage to a scene from The godfather, and it is said to hint at the coming war.
@0rionVII
@0rionVII 7 лет назад
I dot not fully agree with your interpretation about the polar bear, but all your take on the value a freedom is really interresting, you gave me a new look over the movie thanks a lot for this video !
@TylerMowery
@TylerMowery 7 лет назад
I'm glad you enjoyed it!
@GroundedSolidarity
@GroundedSolidarity 4 года назад
This movie left me with such a bad feeling in my stomach. I couldn’t shake the thought. It kept me up at night jsut wondering and wondering. It really left me thinking. The end when they show Timmy down there..that just haunted me. My comment is nothing but a compliment.
@TheLuw1997
@TheLuw1997 7 лет назад
Wilford - Capitalist Curtis - Socialist/Communist Nam - Anarchist​ People in the back aren't the 99%, they're just the poor. The people in the middle are the 99% (or just the majority based on actual accurate %). To me, it's supposed to outline the flaws in the 3 main ideologies shown. Curtis wants equality, but he sacrifices his morals for it. Nam wants freedom, but he sacrifices living for it. Wilford wants a sustainable life/economy on the train but he sacrifices others for it. Each one also fail in implementing their ideology. Wilford does because he alienates the poor which led to revolt. Curtis fails because he'd only end up the same as Wilford and eventually understands the train (the world) can't ruin without sacrificing lives. Nam fails because he only leads everyone to death. If it were just about Capitalism, either Curtis or Nam would've succeeded an it'd have a much happier ending.
@Stormy_Coyote
@Stormy_Coyote Год назад
I love Snowpiercer, it is a great movie. But in the end, I feel that it is ultimately a tragedy. To gain their "freedom", the train which had supported their lives was ultimately destroyed. And in doing so, it brought into question their very own survival. On the train, there existed a means of warmth, food and water. When the train was destroyed, all of that ceased to be. The few people who I imagined survived this, now faced this ice age with little to no knowledge of how to survive in such an environment. At the end of the movie, those polar bears might have at first glance been a symbol of hope, but they are carnivores, and those survivors most likely just faced their soon to be predators.
@Weeklong_Seagull
@Weeklong_Seagull Год назад
One thing in the books that have noticed more in the movie. Is the implied desolation of the world outside of the train. Because the temperature Wilfred states would cause common gasses to condence. There would be no snow, just puddles and vapor or frozen air. Not the snow and polar bears
@davidbolha
@davidbolha Год назад
Mhm.
@johnclemmy7909
@johnclemmy7909 3 года назад
just finsihed watching it this quarantine. well explained! i see that this story holds a lot of metaphor and symbolism in today's society and as to how we and people look at it especially on the ending. Agreed with the ending statement der :)
@averagepersonaplayer766
@averagepersonaplayer766 Год назад
The image used for the thumbnail has to be my favourite shot in the move seeing Curtis in despair know he can’t change the system really hit me
@jayfolk
@jayfolk 6 лет назад
societal structure: how important is freedom and livelyhood vs outside the system alone, and in danger.
@PINK-SATIN
@PINK-SATIN 4 года назад
Check out Adam Ruins Everything's episode on the American dream, people of lower class rarely move far up the monetary ladder, and for those born into poverty it's often impossible
@laurenvillone7453
@laurenvillone7453 4 года назад
Yeah. Survivorship bias & myths like this kill:/
@234bkman
@234bkman 7 лет назад
Well Said and done .
@TylerMowery
@TylerMowery 7 лет назад
+BlastedB 1800 thank you!
@234bkman
@234bkman 7 лет назад
Welcome :D
@Leto85
@Leto85 7 лет назад
Is Netflix connected to RU-vid or so? I just saw this movie yesterday and now this video was recommended to me on RU-vid.
@TylerMowery
@TylerMowery 7 лет назад
+Leto85 it's all connected! We're all being watched! *puts on tinfoil hat*
@sonoftheway3528
@sonoftheway3528 4 года назад
@Tyler Mowery bro no one denies that the internet recommends things to you based on activity. phones will even listen to you speak and recommend stuff
@joshuanoguit6919
@joshuanoguit6919 4 года назад
Leto85 That’s how internet works
@actionmoviefrea
@actionmoviefrea 4 года назад
Agree. I think it's a masterpiece, and a very different "action movie" (it, masterfully, yet oddly meets all my Action Movie "Essentials").
@sandiehleda3890
@sandiehleda3890 4 года назад
Has anyone connected this movie as predictive programming towards the grand solarminimum we are entering next year?
@breadismygod
@breadismygod 6 лет назад
I was just watching this like 2 minutes before he uploaded this video it was cool
@iolfido2975
@iolfido2975 6 лет назад
The one unmovable fact without which there is no train or Wilford for that matter is that the occupants had to believe that they needed the train(system) in the first place. I think the key is controlling perception
@spadesofpaintstudios1719
@spadesofpaintstudios1719 4 года назад
Honestly this reminds me of a dictator ship the story is very much like the story of hunger games but willford leads kind of like a thanos by eliminating half the people and I kinda agree with your story
@jboushka
@jboushka 4 года назад
Saw this at Angelika in SoHo in NYC after Pride Sunday in June 2014. Great film. Rather interesting audience as I remember. You might want to talk about "Pandorum" (2009), just watched it, for a reason.
@d1want34
@d1want34 6 лет назад
The movie was pure methaphoric. I love it..
@alexcayer9377
@alexcayer9377 7 лет назад
What the movie felt for me is that we live in a closed system, but the boundries are not physical. Society exist only because we believe in it. But what is keep everything in place? We just wanna live a good life. And in order the maintain the hope a better life, we need some alienation. In the movie, the alienation was forced because there were afraid of the outside. So Wilford knew that. he knew that people, rather then giving up, just wanted to make it further down the train. That's human and animal nature. I was asking myself, why these people just keep going? Why not just quit and die? Avoid all the pain and the sacrifice. But no, we have to keep going. But when you get to the end, you realize how crap it is. Like Wilford said, they all are prisoners. We shoudn't be afraid to get out of our way, get out of the train, to find answer to our questions. One day, we will have to face it. Better live a life of pain (to give death a meaning) than accept an infinite status quo of litterally turning around in circle for eternity.
@douglundy5755
@douglundy5755 4 года назад
Certainly agree it was unique and different and worth watching and reflection..especially in this moment
@jsthecanuck6804
@jsthecanuck6804 6 лет назад
“I have something to say............ it’s better to burn out... *(does a twirl)* than to faaaaade away” -kurgan from highlander
@mx338
@mx338 2 года назад
Upward mobility was shown, the guy from the back who became a violinist but just like in real life it’s extremely rare and more people fall then they are uplifted. The movie absolutely is about capitalism.
@flashbodie1
@flashbodie1 4 года назад
I liked your video, music was really on point.
@sichonechanda5259
@sichonechanda5259 7 лет назад
Amazing interpretation
@SixRavenEight
@SixRavenEight 7 лет назад
Absolutely! I thought, this is like movies I've seen with kings and soldiers, how easily they will kill and use everyone else but only the lowest people on the ladder seem to realise and see it.
@redtulip9
@redtulip9 7 лет назад
Yes, I totally agree with your analysis. Well done. One only exception is in my view your interpretation of the sight of the polar bear in the end. I didn't read it as threaten to life but rather that life still goes on outside, enough to allow for the survival of the most cold-resilient animals, and now little by little also for the Humans. So, in the end, a message of hope.
@khaixa_
@khaixa_ 3 года назад
Great analysis!
@alecjohnston4010
@alecjohnston4010 7 лет назад
Fuck this is good
@ascendingrealms9265
@ascendingrealms9265 3 года назад
Does the closed ecosystem(the train in the movie) which wilford mentions often in the movie represent a flat earth with a firmament??
@TumblinWeeds
@TumblinWeeds 2 года назад
While the movie is an analogy, I’m very bothered by the literal course of events. Everyone Curtis fought for died horribly, massacred and mutilated, without seeing a glimpse of hope. Everyone who lived peacefully and ignorantly died too. The only survivors are two children who have now met a hungry polar bear. I find it ridiculous some people think the polar bear is food, really, a little girl and a
@georgegradetzky8051
@georgegradetzky8051 7 лет назад
I believe, that the true meaning of the movie is this: If you are in possession of power, do not abuse it for your own comfort while ignoring the wishes of those who are on the same boat as you. Even if you think that your way is justified by being the best for everyone. Because one day, they might become so desperate, that they rise up and not only také out those in the middle, but also sink the ship itself.
@silverace08
@silverace08 5 лет назад
a great movie for what it makes us think about, thought ending coulda been fleshed out a little more given all the build up -but appreciate this analysis the discussions following, which get lil deeper into the matter
@sajeedkabeer
@sajeedkabeer 4 года назад
What a beautiful review 👌🏻😍
@JurassicDalek
@JurassicDalek 7 лет назад
in that case do you think its instead more of a north koren allegory.
@RT-vt2vq
@RT-vt2vq 7 лет назад
Thank you for this thoughtful analysis. I hadn't seen/read any other interpretations or commentary on this movie before. I was pleasantly surprised by the many thought-provoking themes explored within this movie. I wasn't expecting much with "Captain America" being the "face" of the movie. I didn't think of this movie in terms of specific political theories such as capitalism. Rather, I thought of it as an interestingly accessible way to present large themes that have been prevalent in science fiction (and other) literature for decades. For example, the idea of starting a colony or "new world" in a hostile environment with limited resources (think Mars for example)--the problem of how to achieve homeostasis in a closed system. How do you manage population growth? How do resources get allocated? What is the history behind inequalities in resource allocation, ie how does classism start? The Machiavellian machinations to make it appear as if "the masses" have power when in fact the real power comes from the collusion of the leader in the "underground" (Gilliam--sp?) as well as "the top" (the engineer). What to do with the inevitable entropy--ie parts of the engine breaking down. That was the most evocative to me: the movie's allusion to Dostoevsky's "Brothers Karamazov" when we find that the engineer's solution to the inevitable entropy of the train engine is to use use children who fit: Tell me yourself, I challenge your answer. Imagine that you are creating a fabric of human destiny with the object of making men happy in the end, giving them peace and rest at last, but that it was essential and inevitable to torture to death only one tiny creature- that baby beating its breast with its fist, for instance- and to found that edifice on its unavenged tears, would you consent to be the architect on those conditions? Tell me, and tell the truth." "No, I wouldn't consent," said Alyosha softly. And can you admit the idea that men for whom you are building it would agree to accept their happiness on the foundation of the unexpiated blood of a little victim? And accepting it would remain happy for ever?" "No, I can't admit it."
@TylerMowery
@TylerMowery 7 лет назад
Interesting response. I definitely agree that the movie is multi-layered. I think the film's look at the viability of a closed ecosystem is interesting. And I think the big focus lies on how different classes of people interact with each other within this closed system. But since the director himself talked about how the film was an allegory for capitalism, I wanted to challenge the interpretation he gave for the film because I felt like it gave a different viewpoint. One of the things that I think makes this film stand head and shoulders above other sci-fi or apocalyptic films is the discussions that can arise from its complexity. Thank you for commenting!
@janhall4354
@janhall4354 6 лет назад
WOW - great job....
@TylerMowery
@TylerMowery 6 лет назад
thank you!
@Raquelwhatzhot
@Raquelwhatzhot 5 лет назад
At my age... to sacrifice over freedom in that manner? I rather die... quality of life is more important than having freedom...
@TheManibal
@TheManibal 4 года назад
Whar does the connection between the old men and wilford mean?
@stevevladimir8110
@stevevladimir8110 6 лет назад
Good summary!
@TylerMowery
@TylerMowery 6 лет назад
thank you!
@matthewgabriel1
@matthewgabriel1 7 лет назад
I have only watched the film once and may have missed some things, but with respect to the debate over moving up in the potential capitalistic society not occurring, the scene of the violinist comes to mind. The violinist could be symbolizing those with skills existing in the the lower class and the cruel hardship of moving up in class. With the goal of leaving the tail with his wife, he volunteers the two of them. Unfortunately, his wife is not allowed to come with him which could symbolize the hardship of falsity of the bootstrap progression in society.
@nishiva5850
@nishiva5850 5 лет назад
the engine metaphors the capitalistic system , when everyone saying it is eternal but its ends up being destroyed at one point
@laredobenjamin7438
@laredobenjamin7438 7 лет назад
Magnificent !
@TylerMowery
@TylerMowery 7 лет назад
thank you!
@cashkidd19
@cashkidd19 7 лет назад
Well done
@TylerMowery
@TylerMowery 7 лет назад
+Wayne Banks thank you!
@konradhamilton5649
@konradhamilton5649 7 лет назад
Whenever people give in depth movie explanations like this, explanations that make sense, I always wonder how the hell people are able to think this deep. All the polar bear was to me was the message that life COULD exist outside the train.
@TylerMowery
@TylerMowery 7 лет назад
yea most disagree with me on what the polar bear means. but a film is an artistic work, which lends itself to multiple interpretations. The director interpreted the film one way, I gained a different viewpoint. I always enjoy a good discussion on film!
@konradhamilton5649
@konradhamilton5649 7 лет назад
Tyler Mowery I always hated symbolism in high school, because even though the teachers realize there's multiple interpretations, they're never satisfied with the obvious one, which was the one I always thought of. I remember a story where Harper Lee went to a high school, and a student asked her about the symbolism in To Kill a Mocking Bird, because that was one of their assignments, and Harper Lee replied that she didn't really use symbolism, and just wanted to write a story.
@konradhamilton5649
@konradhamilton5649 7 лет назад
Tyler Mowery Because what I interpret a story as is never as creative as the next guy's. And if mine IS more creative, then it's just a stupid interpretation.
@hornetsmiketv
@hornetsmiketv 6 лет назад
I Got This. That 2013 Film will become a TV Series This Year
@moabblades5789
@moabblades5789 5 лет назад
Where did they get the steaks and chicken because I didn't see a livestock car on their journey to the front
@torinkyifh5085
@torinkyifh5085 4 года назад
Interesting interpretation! While I might not agree with you 100% (though the feudalism bit is something I haven't thought of, and was very intriguing), I must say that I agree with you that an audience's interpretation of the meaning behind any piece of art/literature/media is much more powerful and important than the artist's intentions. Great job there, mate. Well done!
@johnnyfives5416
@johnnyfives5416 4 года назад
Some pointed out that snowpiercer the closest thing to a bioshock movie while other say it either a sequel or prequel to willy wonka as their are videos saying wilford is willy or a wonka. Another group say that this is a spiritual successor of altas shrugged by ayn rand because the antagonists is the fascist wilford and the socialist Gillian the old men missing a leg.
@trillenglish
@trillenglish 7 лет назад
Great analysis
@JhaAtiksh
@JhaAtiksh 6 лет назад
I think that the polar bears would rather mean that survival was now possible than the fact that they were already facing competition and that they wouldnt survive
@firstnamelastname-go9jr
@firstnamelastname-go9jr 6 лет назад
Are we not every human race living with in a closed ecosystem so why is it we have the term open ecosystem can anyone explain to me any situation open ecosystem
@nebulousisgod
@nebulousisgod 4 года назад
You all should read the translated version of the graphic novel Le Transperceneige which Snowpiercer was based on.
@brown1234328
@brown1234328 3 года назад
Really good analysis.
@AquaStockYT
@AquaStockYT 7 месяцев назад
It's mostly an analysis of the current unitary systemification of human society which is stratified in a way that prevents all from participation in a power process.
@mansooraminamin2270
@mansooraminamin2270 6 лет назад
well i think the movie says that no matter how clever it is its an illusion until you go out and meet the fact how ever i agree that every thing come with a price and the ultimate price is sacrifice
@CrimsonGuard1992
@CrimsonGuard1992 6 лет назад
Is the cycle of the train bec. there aren't enough resources to go around? Thus creating the inequality in the distribution of wealth?
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