Softube says they have faithfully recreated the famous Weiss compressor/limiter. But is this really the case? Or is it just snake oil? Support me by becoming a Patron: / whiteseastudio Check the studio: whiteseastudio.com
Hey. George here from Softube :) I wrote the text on the product page, and I’m delighted that my evil plan to make you stutter slightly was successful!! Thanks for making a great video about the Weiss. I have to say I agree with you - it’s nothing if not complicated. And the Compressor/Limiter is not even the most complex in the range. We also made a plug-in directly emulating the hardware, with all its god mode crazy-complicated controls and sub-menus. But all our Weiss products contain the original algorithms (it’s a code-port as you described) so absolutely sound as the “real thing”. For a far more user-friendly take on the Weiss sound, see the MM-1 Mastering Maximizer - that is a super-easy way to get that transparent Weiss limiting and loudness-potential on the master bus without losing your inspiration in the process. I use that one way more than the others to be honest (although they’re all great at what they do, of course). Keep up the good work! /George p.s. I didn’t write the manual p.p.s. We’re working on improvements to our installation etc. process p.p.p.s. We just hired our first Dutch person
Thanks for all your wonderful tips! My question is, in this new digital era with everyone listening to their music by streaming on the computer speakers, earbuds, cell phones speakers how do we mix and master our music? The computer and cell phone speakers sound bad and bright and some of the cheaper earbuds as well. Does the listener expect our songs to sound good on these devices. What point of reference do we go by to get the right compromising mix? Thanks for your time. Take care! Billy
6:45 This seems like the perfect mastering tool then because mastering is not musical in my opinion. It is the maths behind the fun part of making music so your comment on this section gives me the insight this is a great tool that i can use for mastering. I like the in depth functions within this plugin and the wide variety of control over all the parameters. thanks for the review
So I’m about to start school for Audio Production and I’m super excited. I want to own a recording studio one day and would love to have an analog console. Anything like an old Neve console, SSL, Neuman, etc. any advice on where to buy these pieces of gear??
I find myself watching your videos all the time. Great Job. Helping allot. I am trying to find out which compressor plug in I want to buy. Still looking.
And the Peak Crest to set a different threshold for both. Btw, the transparency in Kotelnikov comes from the RMS compressor, the Peak compressor is made to distort a lot like a 1176 compressor. Both compressors don't add any noise or color besides distortion.
Wow, your new stuff has grown. Fun to see the old stuff. No painted nails yet! Anyways, your skill at these videos has slowly gontten better and it is cool to see your old video as I look at this things and see I want a plug. it is so wild to live in the times we live in.
I hate it when people thing digital is the same regardless of the box. Different chip architectures handle rounding different ways that can affect the sound in a subtle way which may or may not be audible but is still different, and then there is obvious stuff like the affect of the ADC's and DAC's, etc, etc.
It's amazing you got it running. I only wanted their saturation knob once, I gave up after three failed attempts. The silver lining is I ended up with two other free saturation plugins which are awesome.
That's just a limiter. This one is a compressor that allows a limiter if you make the ratio super high but it's still different than the other one that's just a limiter
No please don’t! I beg you to not! It will only make a lot of more insane people starting a RU-vid channel! This channel is crazy enough for the whole youtube 😂😂😂
coz its a russian weird name, a user interface from 2002, and doesn't sound as good. Cheap newbs and beginners say "Kotelnikov" on RU-vid, and we all know - they are newbs and b-Grade producers.
Hi! Just wanted to mention that 0.02ms attack time is actually 20 microseconds, not 2 :-) But you are correct that it is almost exactly the time of a single sample at 48kHz.
I shy away from a lot of plugins because of cost and installation problems. It’s a plugin for peace sakes! Why can’t they all sit on my external hard drive? If anyone knows the answer to this please let me know. Thanks again
Like your videos. Don't get too technical and lose the way. I keep it simple. All this is explained in the manual: 1) Set ratio curve 1A) set parallel compression and check ganged. (Later you can experiment with Mid/side and s/c link) 2) check WF Green light. I leave "Input" green light at "0") bring "Threshold" up until yellow light starts blinking (very important) 4) adjust attack time, release delay, and soft knee 5) adjust limiter green light (3.2 is good) 6) Adjust Output gain by lowering middle gain and gain knob on right, until you get grey peaks not too high and red not too much. 7) Signal too hot - lower gain input and / or lower wav height in track. Using Ears - sound is amazing!! Try it this way!! Relax.
Not to be That Guy On The Internet (which of course is how That Guy On The Internet always starts a post), but 2us is 0.002ms, not 0.02ms. That's even more insane.
Doesn’t say that rms is release based. So i think it’s just rms setting in general. And I don’t know how the real thing is designed hardware based. Could be a modular processor setup. And didn’t they just used convolution to mimic the hardware version instead of using the real algorithms?
I was on the forums when this first came out, to read reviews. It was said to have the same exact code, however, engineers found the hardware to have more depth. I'm assuming because of convertors, cabling, etc. In my opinion, hardware will always have the slight edge, due to the fact that it's real electronics. Physics will always win, in a physical world.
I find it pretty unintuitive when you are in the expert menu and adjust the release times you can only see the actual values down below os far away and nowhere near where you are actually focusing your eyes to , meaning if i was a whale i could have one eye on the line next to "Auto Release" and one below where the values appear.
If you think installing that was bad, whatever you do, don't review the new Waves "Organic" Sibilance plugin! Especially if you have any older Waves plugins. I had to install the Waves Central 10 app to download the "free" Black Friday special. (In America, that's the day after we celebrate being thankful the natives were nice enough to let us steal their land and everyone is supposed to start worshiping at the altar of credit card debt to take advantage of all the Christmas sales.) The installer is big, but the licensing app is 350 MB! Then, before I could download and license Sibilance, it asked me if I wanted to update my Waves 9 bundle. NO!!! I don't really even want 98% of it, if that, let alone a bunch more Waves crap. So, it supposedly installs and licenses it after many attempts. Then all of the REAPER projects that had Waves 9 plugins suddenly said that they weren't licensed! Luckily, they were only there to compare them to other plugins, and they were all losers just sitting there bypassed. But, even after I finally got it to license and install, it wouldn't show up in REAPER. So, I checked in Logic. Nope. GarageBand? Nope. The stupid thing took up damn near half a gig of hard drive space, I'm seeing it everywhere it's supposed to be, on the hard drive, but it doesn't show up in any DAW! So, in order to get my licensing back without a horrible ordeal with Waves support, who will just tell me I have to use the new licensing scam, I had to do a full TimeMachine system restore. I think all they did was steal Chris J"s at Airwindows code for DeEss and make a GUI for it. I fell for the marketing hype of the company that builds plugins for people who don't know what they're doing and don't want to learn. That's it for me. No more plugins that require iLok, a license manager, or any other means of torturing their customers. Not even if it's free. We've got to show them they can't even give those monstrous things away.
Since the plugin takes the physical box that merely hosts a digital processor out of the equation then it seems to me it should sound even better since the signal needs not to go through any DA/AD conversion going out of the box into a box and back into the box. Haha Right?
@@CraigScottFrost There's no conversion. Weiss is a digital box. So if its really a 1:1 port it would be 100% the same. No signal-loss. The components in a digital system doesn't have a sound. People hear many funny things when they don't know how it works.
@@CraigScottFrost why would you use an analog cable to connect a digital computer with a digital box? I'm not even sure it's possible to pass on an analogue signal to the Weiss. It's a 100% digital unit
Kotelnikov is no direct rival lol. A cheap plugin with graphics from 2005 that sounds pretty good. Not even close to Weiss. The name is also pretty stupid !!!
I don't like how he has snake oil on the screenshot. I almost missed out big time. Getting better results way faster with the Weiss plugs then I did with ozone
@Brandon Krause hell me neither cuz i jus got a cold ass master done with ozone that got me rethinking my masters with this. Still dont think its snake oil tho. Jus shoulda cranked it more so it was louder. To each his own tho 🤷♂️
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Great video! One thing that I would like to mention regarding Digital hardware vs its software counterpart is that they do not have to deal as much with worrying about curving performance specs due to resource considerations, the hardware is able to run much more complex algorithms and processes via its native onboard microprocessors delivering higher degrees of complexity, that otherwise with its software counterpart would send your pc or mac into spontaneous combustion. The reason for instance the Bricasti M7 is able to deliver the complexity that is reminiscent of real rooms as close as we've seen is due to this same concept, it's having to do with the higher ordered terms in the signal that can become more accurately generated with the processing power onboard logic chips deliver, yielding a better sense of depth, and something that brings our hearing experience closer to what we would perceive in the room. Whereas in the plugs it is simply computationally too expensive for where we are currently at in DSP software design in any practical sense. This, of course, does not render the plugins useless. But ymmv.
Sorry to correct you. But an iPhone has more processing power than many Cray I or II combined... or, 100 Bricastis,,,...a Mac laptop multiplies this by 5. Digital is digital You could port 100 Weiss machines into a MAc. By the time Softube and Mr. Weiss have decided what the next Weiss hardware box will be, and how our ears should be treated, the next generation of Macs will already have doubled in processing power.... We are talking about 1000's of plugins.... DSP's have zero place in today's nanotechnology.
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The „original“ is just an overpriced Dac unit with software. Why shoul the Vst version not sound the same? Compared to 9000 dollars it sounds like a good deal, but you are basically buying a „begining of 2000“ plugin. Listen to Dmg Limitless and Sound Radix Powair which you can get both together for the same price that the Softube costs and then we talk again about if you feel the Softube has a good pricing
No matter how good you transfer the code lets not forget that the original is basically a Dsp box with the Code inside. Not just a Vst Plugin that someone transfered to a new Plugin . So as soon as you use a different Dsp , in other words your Soundcard, Computer etc this will all have an effect on how it sounds. Dsp hardwear nowadays is better than it was 10 years ago so a realtively good Audio Interface will do the job even better than the original unit but using it with a 100 dollar interface will probably sound worse than the Original Unit. But! saying "you get the hardware+software unit that costs 9000 for only 300(or 500 for the bundle)" is not the reality. You get the Code without the Hardware and a really weird comparisson that i find even weirder as time passes by and somehow noone mentions it. but to each his own.
Installing Softube plugins is not a problem or difficult at all, really. No idea what you're complaining about. Also, complaining about lack of a manual? Dude, it's a straight code-port of a hardware unit whose manual can be found online. Here: www.weiss.ch/files/downloads/ds1/DS1-MK3-Manual.pdf. That wasn't hard, now, was it? (Now look up RMS and Average.) When you e.g. buy Softube's ports of Mutable Instruments modules for Modular, you also go to the MI website to read the manual. Not hard, not difficult, and actually quite reasonable. Okay, Softube *could* have included a pointer to the original manual... for those who can't figure this stuff out by themselves. I understand this thing is not for you, but, to be honest, that _might_ say something about you and not about the plugin. And sure, FabFilter's compressor and limiter are great as well. And Dutch. Like you. And me. Which might count as an advantage. Or not. Whatever. And practice pronouncing "synonymous" next time. It's not that hard. It's even easier than installing Softube plugins. Which is already pretty easy. Peace out.
