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Some of the Best and Worst Mousepads I've Tried 

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0:00 Intro
1:33 Zowie GSR-SE Rouge
3:28 Skypad 3.0
5:21 GPZ1
7:19 LGG Mercury
8:57 Vaxee PA
10:02 Artisan Hayate Otsu Mid
11:12 Artisan Mid, Soft, XSoft
13:35 Artisan Raiden XSoft
15:15 Thoughts
I've tried a stack more mousepads since my last update - here are the best and worst ones.
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@N0N0111
@N0N0111 Год назад
11:40 This macro shot for pressing down on the pad is very helpful, please do more of these shots.
@phattjohnson
@phattjohnson Год назад
Damn that's a crisp shot indeed!
@sayidabohussayn7644
@sayidabohussayn7644 10 месяцев назад
That’s a micro shot?
@timduh6964
@timduh6964 4 месяца назад
@@sayidabohussayn7644 incorrect, it is macro. macro involves close up shots just like micro but the difference being the sizes of the objects... micro needing magnification to take the imagery, macro does not.
@sayidabohussayn7644
@sayidabohussayn7644 4 месяца назад
@@timduh6964kool thanks for the lesson. Now I know!
@maximes4428
@maximes4428 Год назад
I come to this channel every now and then but it's crazy that you cover and know so much about so many different techs and subjects.
@solarsyt7546
@solarsyt7546 Год назад
lets goooooooo, been waiting for´a V2 ever since your first video. Amazing content as usual!
@dangu5332
@dangu5332 Год назад
Still one of the very best channels I always come to watch. Keep it up!!
@Ysbeer11
@Ysbeer11 Год назад
You better not stop making videos! This is my favourite chanel, thanks for the content brother
@moe516
@moe516 Год назад
You never fail to impress me with these vids bro
@2klogic
@2klogic Год назад
I'm glad you prefaced that you're still only as good as your own skills and talent! It's sad when people overspend on somethings but I understand the want and need for improving.
@musicman24X
@musicman24X Год назад
It's a good disclaimer. I like having good gear so there's no one I can blame but myself.
@kesamek8537
@kesamek8537 Год назад
Good video and +1 shoutout to Boardzy. That guy's Tier Lists are amazing.
@mikeyverano
@mikeyverano Месяц назад
Thanks so much Optimum. I just ordered the Hayate Otsu XXL mid in red and the Zero XXL soft in orange.
@AlwaysTrickster
@AlwaysTrickster Год назад
I recently settled on the Glorious Air mousepad and I love it. Great vid 👍🏿
@tobiasdontmatter1868
@tobiasdontmatter1868 2 месяца назад
Hell yea, I have the glorious XXXL lol
@Cxzan
@Cxzan Год назад
love it keep posting and cant wait for you next video
@animetard5633
@animetard5633 Год назад
Amazing video as always optimum 👍
@emmanuelvillafranca7741
@emmanuelvillafranca7741 Год назад
Great content as always!
@SuthesanSA89
@SuthesanSA89 Год назад
One of the reason people like to watch your video, because you have aim. So it is not just talk spec video. Viewers always like some performances to compare. 😊
@VoDkAvi
@VoDkAvi 11 месяцев назад
Thanks. Gonna try out the Hayate Otsu, was looking at the Hien
@mattymoyouknow202
@mattymoyouknow202 Год назад
Never stop doing these please.
@josephbornman8462
@josephbornman8462 4 месяца назад
Props to having the relevant info in the description
@filosavage7475
@filosavage7475 Год назад
Omg I was looking for mouse pads and popped on RU-vid to be greeted by this wonderful video
@mrbp3351
@mrbp3351 8 месяцев назад
I commend you for stacking the mousepads correctly and not making em dirty!
@breakies
@breakies Год назад
holy moly! another black square video!
@Panzil
@Panzil Год назад
HOW are your thumbnails so good?!?!
@salcmon
@salcmon Год назад
Just what I was looking for, will be sure to check out some artisan pads.
@hack_jammer
@hack_jammer Год назад
All your videos are bangers.
@tapts503
@tapts503 Год назад
Like others have mentioned, the Artisan's Xsoft is an absolutely amazing experience if you use your PC for more than games. If you have wrist pain, use ergo mice, etc. you may find it your endgame. I own Hayate Oatsu Xsoft.
@pulsar.
@pulsar. Год назад
xsoft vs soft?
@PradyumnVij
@PradyumnVij Год назад
Wow might look at that since I work from home every day 🤔.
@freakenste
@freakenste Год назад
One of the best pads out there yes , but the Artisan Zero Xsoft that I have , durability has been really really bad. Like few months bad , my mousepad has indentations from where my arm rest on and it's permanent , it won't return to it's original state anymore.
@michalp3470
@michalp3470 Год назад
how does it impact wrist pain?
@tapts503
@tapts503 Год назад
@@freakenste Damn, that sounds bad. I was looking at the Zero xsoft in Orange too.
@brdnacer
@brdnacer Год назад
Are there any plans on trying LTT one now that they offer full black version? Really interested in your take on it
@convextlc9767
@convextlc9767 Год назад
Came to comment and ask the same thing. I use the LTT pad myself and it's been great for me so far.
@slyceth
@slyceth Год назад
@@convextlc9767 mouse pad smouse pad
@D-Dreamerz
@D-Dreamerz Год назад
It’s a slow mouse pad.
@Evan-xs8ts
@Evan-xs8ts Год назад
The ltt pad just isn't good for fps games. It's too slow and not as humidity resistant.
@ftwtech
@ftwtech Год назад
Look at Boardzy’s most updated tier list
@givemethesantahatfoo
@givemethesantahatfoo Год назад
+1 to the LGG Mercury. Fantastic pad for the price ($15), especially if you don't mind the rougher texture. Great video as always Optimum!
@WhoFlungDung
@WhoFlungDung 9 месяцев назад
I have the biggest size and it's great but, just like the guy here says, it's a rough surface kinda.
@flowsy5294
@flowsy5294 Год назад
you changed the thumbnail three times, the one with the sun shining in over the keyboard and mousepads was the best one and the most gorgeous. The current ones ok but i'd opt for the previous one.
@Manuwu
@Manuwu Год назад
insane content as usual :)
@ohxtg
@ohxtg Год назад
Nice boardzy shout out at the end
@shadyhd20
@shadyhd20 Год назад
Solid video as usual
@blessing2757
@blessing2757 Год назад
I feel honored for maining the same mousepad as you cuz u are my favorite techtuber :D
@VicariousX
@VicariousX 10 месяцев назад
I'm glad to see the mercury make the list, I personally like everything about it just a tiny bit better than a hien. It's just the smaller size + the stitching that kill me.
@ahmedghanmi
@ahmedghanmi Год назад
Glad to see u hit apex again. Great review
@gamist8166
@gamist8166 9 месяцев назад
Idk if you're still doing the glass pads, if so it might not be the time. But when you want a speedy/hybrid cloth pad, I'd recommend the Lamzu Energon! Its my favorite pad so far. I feel it's just barely too fast for me, I'm wondering if I can find something only slightly slower. I use sapphire skates though, so I'm thinking if I go back to ptfe that might be what I need. Unsure, but yea, I highly recommend the pad.
@squakers9950
@squakers9950 Год назад
I have the $30 NZXT MXP700 mousepad. Medium speed, medium softness, so kind of ticks all the boxes. I feel like not many people talk about it, but in my opinion, it is one of the most solid low-price mousepads out there.
@yoshi555king
@yoshi555king Год назад
that's a good one. Would have gotten it if Pulsar didn't produce the paraspeed v2 cordura
@302QuestSwap
@302QuestSwap 4 месяца назад
Sucks that shipping is so much from artisan, because their pads aren’t really expensive. $30-45 for their lineup when you convert yen to USD
@DESCENDDED
@DESCENDDED Год назад
as soon as I look for one the beast uploads
@AlphablueOfficial
@AlphablueOfficial Год назад
I was just shopping for pads and thought "I wonder what Optimum Tech would recommend" and BAM!! Here you are!!
@ihx7
@ihx7 8 месяцев назад
just discovered your channel and I love it
@ihx7
@ihx7 8 месяцев назад
I imagine I would have a similar channel as you if actually had discipline back then and made videos + actually followed my projects
@ihx7
@ihx7 8 месяцев назад
why didn't find this channel earlier man I basically stopped gaming by now a few years ago this would've been so amazing but it kinda brings me back into wanting to dive into this stuff again
@r_turner
@r_turner Год назад
Great that you did another video on Mousepad , The First video was very Impactful for me , I got myself Razer Golaithus for My Razer Viper Mini . Very Budget products which Delivered Shockingly Premium Experience and Aiming massively improved as I get avg 20-30 kills in PUBG Arcade DeathMatches as before i could not even get 5-8 kills.
@ZhekaTrololo
@ZhekaTrololo Год назад
There is two versions of this: control and speed. Which one you bought?
@r_turner
@r_turner Год назад
​@@ZhekaTrololo Goliathus Mobile Soft Gaming - it's an entry level @ $5
@obohp
@obohp Год назад
man you are jacked as hell, props to you
@Boemtie
@Boemtie Год назад
I tried most pads on the list, i settled with the regular Saturn, its great.
@frenzyio
@frenzyio Год назад
That tracer fight sums up my time with OW when I played it, I get so lost on what’s going 💀 14:50
@ARCbirdman
@ARCbirdman Год назад
Have you tried the vancer ice out? It's my main and I've owned 2 now. I love them. Super fast pad. (Also Ali, have you changed any color settings in game since your video on it? It looks so vibrant and I would love to do it as well)
@scottkobrien
@scottkobrien 8 месяцев назад
I really enjoy the razer strider. It is fast and stays consistent throughout the pad for so long, I feel it really helps my tracking. It did take a little bit to get use to coming from a glorious prior
@ghosticnoir
@ghosticnoir 5 месяцев назад
are you a low sens or high sense player? i’m confused if i should get razer strider or logitech g640 and a few others like zowie and cool master. I play on low to mid sens
@accumulator4825
@accumulator4825 Год назад
Dude this is just in time, I've literally been wondering about which mousepad to get the last week.
@edonramadani8017
@edonramadani8017 29 дней назад
which one have you got? im thinking about skypad 3.0 or gsr se rouge, i play only cs2.
@pundah7084
@pundah7084 10 месяцев назад
For anyone looking for a great budget friendly mouse pad I would recommend any Locus pads. They're on the faster side so if you want more control it may not be for you. The sizes are XL - 450x400x3MM / XXL - 900x400x4MM. Extended pads are a little bit thicker so keep that in mind.
@tkzii6207
@tkzii6207 10 месяцев назад
best budget mousepad is the ikea one, change my mind
@pundah7084
@pundah7084 10 месяцев назад
@@tkzii6207 If it's as good as I've heard then it definitely seems like a great option
@andytypes8271
@andytypes8271 Год назад
another excellent video!
@skullkrusher4418
@skullkrusher4418 Год назад
The otsu mid and the skypad 3.0 are my go-to pads. They just feel so amazing for tracking.
@ergin8888
@ergin8888 Год назад
they cost over 70€ 💀
@wildfire23
@wildfire23 Год назад
@@ergin8888 well worth the money if you want to have easier and clean tracking imo
@xKiLzEr
@xKiLzEr Год назад
@@ergin8888 if you can't afford it, don't buy it. Simple.
@realghostxd
@realghostxd Год назад
@@ergin8888 again like what Ali said, all the pads that are available on your local stores that he mentioned at the start of the video, are pretty good aswell
@akimbofresh8109
@akimbofresh8109 3 месяца назад
@@ergin8888Ask mommy for some money or get a job then.
@iamgameing3840
@iamgameing3840 Год назад
NO WAY BRO DROPPED THE VIDEO I WAS LOOKING FOR 😭
@epoxy515
@epoxy515 Год назад
I bought the gsr-se rouge some time ago and i gotta say its really solid, its really nice and you get good and fluid motions, good for tracking and flicking, but it takes some time too flatten, i put weights on them all night and they still didnt flatten down, overall its worth it
@Karebu.
@Karebu. Год назад
The way to easily flatten these mousepads and when you take them out, re fold them back up the opposite way and stick it back in its case for about 15 minutes, they will flatten out perfectly. I’ve owned 2. (The red one and the blue one)
@RafaelLima-ch6qr
@RafaelLima-ch6qr 11 месяцев назад
​​@@Karebu.hanks for that, i'm getting the red one this week and this will be helpful :)
@chadsugden411
@chadsugden411 4 месяца назад
I put mine in the sun or hit it with the hair dryer for 5 mins and it relaxes
@dimwillow7113
@dimwillow7113 Год назад
I love my finalmouse and mz1 + hien extra soft. The sandy surface feel provides feedback and the smoothness makes it very easy switching targets fast.
@Bobeeha
@Bobeeha Год назад
rich boi
@yuh9193
@yuh9193 5 месяцев назад
does the soft texture cause any problems while trying to move quickly in csgo, valoranf, fort etc
@dimwillow7113
@dimwillow7113 5 месяцев назад
@@yuh9193 Hi i dont play tac fps so i dont know about that specific case. Moving quickly with hien and light mice is very nice in Battlefield for me. But yeah i heard that people playing tac fps wants slower pads so they can stop very fast and accurate though.
@namkhanhpham2126
@namkhanhpham2126 9 месяцев назад
I suggest u trying out the artisan zero mid, it actually feels alot more consistent and faster than soft/xsoft hardness
@goobernoodles
@goobernoodles Год назад
I would love to hear your thoughts on the full desk sized mouse pads such as the Matthro 4XL EMP.
@sp-xx8ty
@sp-xx8ty Год назад
Love my razer strider! Fastest hybrid pad just right.
@thacoolest13
@thacoolest13 Год назад
Would have been nice if the ltt mousepad was there considering all the testing they also did on it
@gordonneverdies
@gordonneverdies Год назад
Still waiting for my Saturn Pro. I'm excited to mix my favorite surface with the artisan style base.
@jcap8391
@jcap8391 Год назад
Its all about the Vancer ice v2. Version 2 is the best of the 20 pads ive had😊
@matteoforina9025
@matteoforina9025 Год назад
Try the Aqua Control Zero, I'm loving it.
@themperia8988
@themperia8988 Месяц назад
Been using SteelSeries QCK Heavy for almost 4 years, enjoying it so far.
@aidenfrost10
@aidenfrost10 9 месяцев назад
I got the Hayate Otsu in Soft, probably the best mousepad of all time for tac shooters.
@pcguy6757
@pcguy6757 Год назад
Finally the sequel!
@grev.
@grev. Год назад
been using the mpc 450 for the past 6 months and it's by far the best pad i've ever used.
@emma6648
@emma6648 2 месяца назад
Is it good for Valorant or slow games
@DarkFox2232
@DarkFox2232 7 месяцев назад
My mouse weight is 119.6g. It is old Roccat Kone XTD Optical. With original glides and Razer Destructor, even tension in original braided cable moved mouse quite a lot around. But those glides destroyed Destructor in time. Instead I put on metallic glides and moved to cloth mouse pads. Weirdly enough, I had great experience with cheap Bloody mousepad. Version with rough textile diamond pattern inward, contact surface was in shape of connected "X" letters.
@stealthhunter6998
@stealthhunter6998 Год назад
Wish some razer pads were on this list to compare to because they have large availability in my region compared to all of these which aren’t even in some stores in this region.
@iSm1lez
@iSm1lez 9 месяцев назад
SteelSeries is the goat at mouse pads, using SteelSeries QcK Heavy 6mm thick since more than a decade, never disappoints.
@teekanne15
@teekanne15 Год назад
those casual 360 spins while talking :D
@markushofer7657
@markushofer7657 5 месяцев назад
as i moved out my apartment for 3 weeks i took my old mouse with one glide surface missing and a more compact mousepad with me. it felt weird having that much friction at first but after an hour i got used to it and my winrate went off the charts. when i moved back in and used my fancy mouse and mousepad it felt so awkward. It opened my eyes that low friction isnt always the best and is probably a lot of marketing propaganda. comes down to preference after all i guess.
@hexdex3544
@hexdex3544 6 месяцев назад
The best thing in this video is the hairdryer thing, that’s really genius!
@johan7979
@johan7979 Год назад
I just bought myself the SteelSeries Qck Heavy yesterday for around $25. I won't be using it until I get my new PC. I hope the mousepad proves to be beneficial for playing games like CS and Valorant. Great video as always man
@sky77751
@sky77751 Год назад
Qck is very good for its price it's washable but I does breakdown very fast I have been using it for 2 yrs and it definitely has worn out some spots are fast some and some are muddy Already ordered artisan zero soft and waiting for that to come Overall I feel like the ock is the best choice for tact fps if you have more cash to spare get the artisan zero soft
@-duxi
@-duxi Год назад
best pad!
@zanoirmank8307
@zanoirmank8307 Год назад
best pad ever . i have been using the same qck heavy for now 12 years ! & it can last 3 more years easily. mouse tracer & slides are perfect on it
@drk_blood
@drk_blood Год назад
It's one of the best pads I ever had. I was just wondering why the fuck he didn't include any QcK variant in this video. Steelseries made legendary pads which all cs pros used them at some point..
@-duxi
@-duxi Год назад
idk most these pads ive nerver fkin heard of.
@diags_1109
@diags_1109 6 месяцев назад
Kind of funny that I used Tenz on the Hayte Otsu as well and play siege, val and cs. The pad is literally a cloud, and is so comfortable.
@whyxeni
@whyxeni 8 месяцев назад
That widow clip was insane
@nik_mik
@nik_mik Год назад
BOARDZY AND OPTIMUM TECH ARE ALL U NEED🐐🐐
@themovementgeneration7728
@themovementgeneration7728 7 месяцев назад
Optimum what would you prefer for sniping? Seems like you invested a lot of time on the artisan otsu soft & mid so lmk which one you prefer out of the 2
@chowdercheeze1153
@chowdercheeze1153 11 месяцев назад
My current favorite is the LGG Saturn. Now I just need to get my hands on the Saturn Pro
@wazeFPS
@wazeFPS 9 месяцев назад
honestly im a huge keyboard and mouse freak but recently just stopped caring about mousepads. I just kinda stuck to the xraypad aqua control 2 because it feels the same and doesnt get affected by humidity. But honestly as long as its just not an awful dollar store mousepad anything works fine and you get used to the characteristics pretty quickly.
@ChantingInTheDark
@ChantingInTheDark 9 месяцев назад
I was using my desk (no mousepad) for the longest time, when I upgraded my mouse to a Razer Death Adder v3 I bought a HyperX - Pulsefire Mat (XL) both were a game changer for CoD.
@chaos2810
@chaos2810 Год назад
Ali you should start transcribing the videos into articles/blogs. Each article/blog talks about the findings you have in each video.
@DeliriumPCGameAndKeebs
@DeliriumPCGameAndKeebs Год назад
Came for the mousepads, stayed for the gameplay. Insane at the game, sheesh.
@simptrix007
@simptrix007 Год назад
Got some random Gaya XL mousepad. Had no expectations other that it fitting perfectly to my keyboard compartment in PC table. 36 months later there are like no signs of wear, fabric is nice to the touch and it tracks well. Had several QCK+ mousepads that started to show wear under less than year. I am still waiting for some proof that spending on mousepad is worth it.
@DunderHead.5000
@DunderHead.5000 Год назад
I don't know much about Gaya mouse pads, I can't actually find that brand in the U.S.
@ballzrad
@ballzrad Год назад
Great video. Have you had any encounters with Pulsar gg's mousepads?
@unoob32
@unoob32 Год назад
I personally like Artisan Xsoft (hien) because the pad softness can provide cushion to my pisiform bone. Ever since I use it, I no longer have any kind of pisiform fatigue or pain.
@DrTopLiftDPT
@DrTopLiftDPT Год назад
gain 100 lbs to pad your wrist
@tmac9938
@tmac9938 3 месяца назад
fnatic dash pro is all you need, if you like cloth. its a mix of hard/soft, its very interesting. literally wipe it with a hot damp microfiber towel once a week and it stays brand new, no slow/hotspots, 6 months in. best mousepad i've ever owned, never thought it would make a difference. the right amount of slide and friction as a wrist and wrist/elbow swiper.
@smallzyfn
@smallzyfn Месяц назад
great review
@farvezafridifaizurrahman6980
I got the Hayate Otsu XSoft after your last video. Best mousepad ever!
@NakedTrashPanda
@NakedTrashPanda Год назад
Same here. Was kinda worried from all the complaints about the longevity but seems like that was fixed with version 2.
@Ducktamer
@Ducktamer Год назад
LGG Saturn Pro is everything I've wanted. Since i got it i have never looked back and thought "this could be faster, slower, more comfortable." It just does it all for me.
@satxrnhimself
@satxrnhimself Год назад
Is the Saturn Pro good for Fortnite? And which softness did you get? Soft or XSoft?
@aquanos
@aquanos Год назад
@@satxrnhimself Literally preference.
@splitzkee_
@splitzkee_ Год назад
sheesh it's 50$
@Ducktamer
@Ducktamer Год назад
@@splitzkee_ cheaper than buying 3-4 cheap mousepads that become unusable after 3 months
@satxrnhimself
@satxrnhimself Год назад
​@@Ducktamer Which softness did you get? the Soft or XSoft?
@spiz649
@spiz649 Год назад
It's pretty rough that the saturn and venus pro arent in stock. Some of the best pads I've used.
@KeenScout.
@KeenScout. Год назад
Can't wait for June, Saturn pro and Ultralight X
@SooFragZ
@SooFragZ Год назад
the venus pro is still in stock btw. highly recommend
@aegistechreviews7410
@aegistechreviews7410 Год назад
Saturn Pro is the god pad imo
@DunderHead.5000
@DunderHead.5000 Год назад
It says 'preorder'. So how has everybody tried it?
@spiz649
@spiz649 Год назад
@@DunderHead.5000 they’ve released these pads already but because they were so popular they have sold out. They’re in the process of making more.
@RealTaIk
@RealTaIk Год назад
Oh wow, I literally watched that video yesterday :D
@Flux000
@Flux000 Год назад
Just got the G-wolves HSK Pro 4k (29g with grip tape), so I'll take your advice and not worry too much about the mousepad😂
@KaledYouTube
@KaledYouTube 10 месяцев назад
Please review the Deathadder V3 Pro Fake edition, the coating is better than the one in the regular and I would love to hear your thoughts on it.
@pvhari2000
@pvhari2000 Год назад
The IKEA Lanespelare has been great for me!
@liiou4445
@liiou4445 Год назад
Should also try the puretrak talent. Surface felt amazing
@pennettafederico7683
@pennettafederico7683 8 месяцев назад
4:51 if you wanna use some type of gloves intead of a compression sleeve i'd reccomend one of those single gloves tat digital artists use with a graphic tab. i use one for gaming and it works pretty well, also it's more comfortable than a compression sleeve
@davidmazo4418
@davidmazo4418 Год назад
Quasimodo got in the grinding, my man's buffed
@Puss1man
@Puss1man 3 месяца назад
He predicted all this
@Likwify
@Likwify Год назад
Hey optimum, I wanted to know what the best budget mousepad, as I dont got tons of dollars to spend on the best glide mousepads or sum. Thanks
@gwanox
@gwanox Год назад
Personally using the Fantech ZERO-G MPC900 (cordura pad) and it's god tier, mad value
@pepepeek_normalperson
@pepepeek_normalperson 10 месяцев назад
Hey dude if you like the skypad, then you must try Razer's Atlas gaming glass mouse pad. My friend has one and I've tried it and doesn't stick to skin, super smooth barely any friction
@andyli3955
@andyli3955 11 месяцев назад
What's your recommendation on how to clean/wash these mousepads?
@nemonas2019
@nemonas2019 3 месяца назад
this
@ballistinarwhal7530
@ballistinarwhal7530 8 месяцев назад
Nah bro went crazy in that OW clip 😂
@orosales7021
@orosales7021 Год назад
Own gs-r, qinsui2 pro, hayate Otsu xsoft and mid, Ikea, Glorious fire and ice. The one I'm currently maining is Qck Heavy.
@Iddqd_84
@Iddqd_84 Год назад
The Logitech G840 XL is my absolut favorit 👌 I have been using it for the past 4 years now 🙂
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