Some of you won't like this new lore... 

Bought it early from amazon UK

I thought the old lore was that the victory star destroyer went into service at the end of the clone wars and the imperial class came like 10 years later. Poor victory never gets any love

In the BB S1 Tech says Omega is a modified clone. In conversation between Lama su and tarkin its said there's 5 experimental clones people assumed echo was one of them but he's a "reg"

Disney still wants to keep writers on a fairly tight leash, and not let them go wild adding to the canon things that would possibly have to be countermanded later, which makes a lot of the things written by people without permission pretty dull. And ironically in the end that kind of tight leash policy still means that Disney will have to spend more time retconning things for fear of them getting out of hand, but all the retcons will be about very boring and minor things.

I don’t get how people thought that they could say a GIRL clone was unmodified.

When I took on a Star Destroyer with my A-Wing in 1993's X-Wing I took out those little domes to drop their shields. I had no idea they were contested in the lore.

Never made sense for the republic to call their ship Imperator or Imperial, it also makes sense that Empire has slightly different design philosophy than the Republic.

Back in the West End Games days, the Imperial was definitely a post-Clone Wars design, based on the wartime Victory-class. Even the Victory-II class was developed too late to see action in the war, but was used as a stopgap until the Imperials were ready for action. This was all before the Venator was invented, of course, and we got the first round of WU reshuffle because of the prequels.

I always liked the idea that the Imperator/Imperial-I was a Clone Wars design. It made the whole timeline feel more connected and organic, and it just made sense that the Republic would be researching and developing bigger and more powerful warship designs during the war with the CIS. No war in modern history irl has relied on the exact same tools, ships, and technologies from start to finish. Especially when one of those tools is as monumentally deficient in its primary role as the Venator-class Star Destroyer is. There is ALWAYS development going on, and there are ALWAYS new weapon systems and such being introduced mid-war. And very frequently those systems which are brand new and state-of-the-art at the end of the last war end up being the basic standard issue by the time the next war comes around. In that way, the Imperator being around in limited service as a new advanced warship by the time of Revenge of the Sith gives the Republic/Empire's naval technology a feeling of realistic progression.

Omega has always been asserted as enhanced in some fashion, however she's genetically unmodified. That specifically being her genotype is essentially derived from Jango Fett's own genetic material. As to how she's enhanced - potentially an advanced empath.

I hope we get to see the Imperial Star Destroyer make its first chronological appearance in the Bad Batch series finale.

The backstory for Beru is from the Padme book trilogy if I remember correctly

Tbh saw this change coming long ago. We never saw the Imperator and idk it fits more as the face of the Empire, and I think the Victory fits better as a "transitional ship"

I remember that the Imperator Class Star Destroyer was among the many ships that Palpatine had commissioned and stationed elsewhere in the Deep Core, and they joined the Battle of Coruscant later on as reinforcements for the Coruscant Defense Fleet.

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The Whitesun family being the Tatooine Underground Railway was on Wookiepedia but when I checked there wasn't a source for that in the article so its difficult to verify if it was an actual thing before or if someone's headcannon just got canonized.

I think they are being careful as to what they add in terms of lore that doesn't reflect with the tv show or movies and are trying not to go too off the board with it. Probably because they don't want the lore to be so necessary or intimidating for new fans that requires them to have read other material. Im not saying this is good or bad, its just a trend I noticed.

Personally, I've always enjoyed the vehicle/location cross-section books.

The Essential Guide to Planets and Moon is forever burned into my memory from reading it over and over again as a kid in the ‘90s. And I still pull it off the shelf regularly because it gives me such a good nostalgia high.

The weakest thing about these new books is that they don't go far enough with details. It's always the most basic bitch info (Kylo Ren has black boots, wow who knew?)

I'm pretty sure in Rogue One they explicitly show fighters attacking those domes after someone says they need to take down the shields on the ISD's over Scariff. Also I liked the ISD's being designed and built during the Clone Wars. It was a great way of showing the militarization of the Republic and clear influence from Palpatine. Like it felt like preparation by Palpatine to preemptively prepare for the shift to the Empire, they could immediately start pumping out ISD's to lock down the Galaxy in just a few years.

I dislike this change. I like the Imperator as a secret prototype that helps meld the old Republic and new Empire together and help it flow from one to the other like with Clone Phase 2 armor leading to Stormtrooper armor with the TK trooper armor being in the middle.

In the book „Queen‘s hope“, there actually is another female clone trooper serving normally on the field with her brothers. It is also mentioned that Beru helped Sabée (I hope you write her name like that) with her mission to free the slaves.

Fav has gotta be the classic WEG sourcebooks, they are still informing books, shows, and films today.

We won! It finally makes sense why the star destroyer supposedly has external shield projectors when every other ship has internal shield generators. They were obviously modeled after real world radomes on top of ships. Glad to see their original intended purpose finally be acknowledged in canon

They might just be sensor globes. Executor was under heavy fire and it could be like . "Sensor dome explodes" Officer was like : Oh s*** what was that? Looked at console and thought "Oh they endeed penetrated our shield" and told it to admiral.

Kind of sucks that the victory class star destroyer wasn't canonized

I agree, this is still miles away from the Essential Guides. And it's not from lack of material, in the comics alone there are lots of new ship variants (like the Mon Cal cruisers) or interesting weapon designs

Beru Lars' backstory is derived from some novels, I believed.

I mean The passage could easily still indicate that the imperial class star destroyer was a think BEFORE the fall of the republic just mostly prototypes. The idea being that the Empires decloration began an emboldened focus on militarisation. another huge STEP akin to the start of the clonewars. Like it could just be that the Imperitor became like THE FOCUS of production to create the NEW fleet and replace the old 'republic' fleet

I'm pretty sure Omega being referred to as an unmodified clone is supposed to be in reference to her lifespan not being cut in half

You could interpet the Imperial Officer's remarks in RoTJ, (if they are sensor bulbs), that they lost system communication between the shield levels and the bridge. That might explain his statement. It could also be they were shields for the bridge, but they do present a very obvious target and sensors/scanners are often in the highest point for maximum coverage. I always assumed Imperial SD shields were located on the ventral dome-like feature.

I feel like there's still room to say the pre ISD Imperiator prototypes could have been deployed during the end of the clone wars, still room for the VSD as well, the early model AT-AT would also fit nicely into old lore with there being prototypes deployed during the clone wars era (I like again how awakening the rebellion gives both models as diffrent variants, the early model being more anti infentry/ light armor and the late model being more anti armor focused to reflect the changes in rebel hardware and tactics as time passes)

About the domes, they're analogues to those found on real-life warships. I think there's a confusion of cause and effect. We don't see deflector shield domes in any other context and that the bridge deflector shield was down was the reason the dome could be attacked and destroyed and hence alerted the crew that it was down. The Star Destroyer would be the only ship in Star Wars with an exposed shield projector in an exposed position and which is really easy to destroy.

Look up a Doppler radar and it becomes clear where the inspiration for the geodesic sensor domes originated…

what game is that your flying the Tie Inty around in? Ive seen you play that in other videos with Star Fox ships...

I'm hoping Omega doesn't turn out to be another Force Sensitive.

They existed before that blurb, Palpatine liked the experimental ship and then blurb happened. Logical room for both

As a Star Wars RPG fan, and GM, I tend to ignore all the Disney stuff... Legends has a cohesive timeline, spanning decades, with all sorts of interesting things going on. Disney SW is more like a collection of Grandpa Simpson's ramblings about his youth. No timeline, no coherency and not a lot of well written support stuff either.

It still says it's a Clone Wars design In the origional legends there was a single prototype Imperator that then showed up at Coruscant so it doesnt contradict anything

I think what they meant by "Work immediately begins on the warship that will embody this bold new era" is that they're working on developing it, rather than working on creating it as most would assumed, but its still very interesting to see the new changes in lore within the sourcebook 🤷

Saturday night party game: Take a shoot every time he says "example".

While I might not agree with al the changes, I can agree with the changes made to the things on the ISD's bridge. They have ALWAYS looked like sensors to me and who ever chose to call them shield emitters has never once seen what a ground radar installation in the high arctic looks like. (Hint, they look EXACTLY like the domes on the ISD.)

i know its a video game but in rogue squadron 2 (i think its two) they very expliclty tell you in a mission that the balls are shield generators on a star destroyer and to go destroy them.

Doesn't the High Republic era go right up to The Phantom Menace? So the Pelta doesn't need to be THAT old. It has a similar bridge to the Consular-class cruiser seen in the opening of TPM, too.

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And people thought the original Expanded Universe was a mess....

I like the change for the Imperial-I. Makes more sense as one of the immediate Imperial successor ships, plus it always felt like a bit of a weird naming choice for the Republic to make, even late into the war. But I will agree with a general dissapointment with canon lorebooks. Really feels like the LSG is trying to leash the secondary material from expanding too far out of known eras. Which I *guess* is a cleaner way to expand without eventual contradictions and retcons, but it ends up making a lot of things feel safer than they should be. Haven't found a canon reference book that hit the same as the Legends Essential Guide to Warfare or the Book of Sith.

You could probably title every future Star Wars video “some of you are not going to like this more change” and consistently be correct

The original Essential Guide to Ships and Vessels, I can't count the number of times I read that book from cover to cover

Could always have the VSD as the bridge between venator and imperial class. VSD really missing out on any representation anywhere, so sad. Got a little working theory in my own head I'll put down, but I'm no encyclopaedia so I'll probably be missing info. At least in my head from what I know I like the idea that the victory was designed as a more durable frontline ship to help shield venators while they conducted carrier operations and long range fire. But the victory never really caught on because republic bureaucrats didn't want to pay for it and didn't understand proper space warfare or fleet composition (you tell me any bureaucrat senator wouldn't go "the venator is good enough"). Eventually Palpatine still had enough built that got used in combat to know the designs potential, but not enough to be well known like the Venator, making it a great stop gap while the VSD2 and ISD1 were designed using lessons from both the victory and venator.

One thing I think could work is the fact that in the canon Build the Millennium Falcon Magazine, the imperator has a a slightly different ship than the imperial I. I believe the main difference is that the imperator had different containment cells like the ones seen in Attack of the Clones. I think that this difference is interesting and points out that although the imperator and Imperial I were slightly different, they were still practically the same and the changes were minimal enough to be called the same thing, but large enough for them to still be different. I also think the containment cells are interesting since it hunts to palpatine secretly preparing for order 66 by having his ships able to contain Jedi and this could potentially help kickstart the inquisitorious. With the fall of most Jedi and the Tarkin doctrine it makes sense that they would work to change the ship to adapt.

What is that awesome looking starfighter game in the background starting at 4:11 It looks really cool and I want to play it.

Per Star Wars Timelines which came out a few months ago, the Imperator-class and Imperial I-class are two separate ships. The Imperator is the CW base version and the Imperial I-class is a slight redesign of it

I stopped caring about Rodent Cannon years ago. Something about Rise of Skywalker being a massive downgrade and enshittification of Dark Empire didn’t sit right with me.

Beru got lore? I never heard anything about her before! That's new to me.

To be honest I've long since abandoned the Star Wars lore. Once Disney stepped in and distanced the franchise from the original/published materials it moved further and further away from what Star Wars "is" to me. I'll hold up my hands and admit that Disney have done some good things when it comes to Star Wars but overall these pale in comparison to the blunders and missteps.

considering george used the venetor at the end of rots, i feel like the imperial star destroyer or any closer variant than the venetor not existing yet was the idea

Actually, there have been references to other books in reference books, they just haven't been too substantial when it comes to visual references. One book that did have some great book references was On the Front Lines, which had pictures and details of battles from both the movies and the books, and added some new lore to boot! I know a lot of this from Wookieepedia, but I'd love to get my hands on that book!

Those are definitely meant to be sensor domes on the Star Destroyers. That's what they look like on real world warships. The dome being destroyed was a symptom of the shields being lost, which happened right after Ackbar ordered a bombardment to the Executor. It also makes no sense for shield projectors to be located on a vulnerable exterior area of the ship where they could be easily destroyed. Never knew ISD was around during the Clone Wars, but that makes no sense whatsoever either. It's clearly a generation beyond the Clone Wars ships.

When I was 12 I was in a book store and had to choose between the Plagueis novel or the Essential Guide to Warfare. I chose the guide and man was that the right choice. I have read that book cover to cover like 3 times.

I'd attribute the supposed lore in this book to a writer who was... out of touch with other source material and simply didn't know, and made a contradictory error in the writing. I can safely say the Imperator may still have been canonically a late Clone Wars flagship design, the wording on that "change" was rather vague and to me didn't seem to imply they were never created before the declaration of the Empire. Merely that the Empire decided to officially focus ship production on this class en masse instead of the wartime Republic plan to have them as dreadnought-like flagships for select Republic fleets. And to be fair I'm sure at the end of the war most people in the galaxy never had a chance to notice these new bigger warships, much less knew they existed in any official capacity in the first place. It's not like a new warship design is always broadcasted across the galaxy on the holonet news; they were created during wartime after all. Personally I think they look better in Republic colors anyway, and in that command ship role where they'd be further back supporting the rest of the fleet with its bigger guns >~

The pelta is actually smart. Remove all that extraneous stuff like turrets, etc, replace the plating and pain with a standard high republic pallette and it looks a LOT like a high republic design. So bascially make it look factory new and it fits with the high republic design

In Star Wars: TIE Fighter, targeting the shield generators on a Star Destroyer would highlight the bulbs

When it comes to calling a clone "unmodified" I think they're just saying that they didn't introduce rapid aging. It's inaccurate to say an enhanced clone like Omega is unmodified, but with the aging context I think it makes sense

As someone who played a Verpine slicer in the old WEG D6 system 20-25 years ago, I am ALWAYS happy for more Verpine love

What happened to the Victory class star destroyer that pre dated the Imperial class in West End Games Star Wars, that Zahn used for lore?

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Disappointment is the theme of Disney Star Wars. Now that the author of this book is online giving his opinions of true fans, we now know the reason for that disappointment. Now the PH has a position of real power devoid of George Lucas, he can change it how he wants it. Good for him. May the force be with you Eckhart....you are a good guy as far as I can tell.

I think with the Omega thing a lot of people conflate modified with just advanced aging. It's pretty obvious that one: She is a girl unlike Jango and two: She possesses a very strong natural empathy to the point that she outpaces some Jedi in her ability to read emotions. But a lot of people when they say "unmodified" they really mean they didn't modify her aging process and I get why people say it because there's no real short way to say that

I would love to see more Separatist capital ships show up in the Rebel fleet. There were thousands of them in cannon

Omigod! Cantwell and I are wearing the same t-shirt! :D

Thanks for the video

Oooh, that thing about Beru is straight from some common headcanons for fanfic, someone at disney is reading Fialleril on AO3.

I always thought that the ball being destroyed was what let them know that the deflectors were down, not necessarily what caused them to be down.

I had the "Star Wars Original Trilogy" Plug & Play game as a kid (the one shaped like the Millennium Falcon), and in the "Red Leader" game, you had to destroy the geodesic shield bulbs before you could destroy the Star Destroyer.

I like the look of the game being played at the end with the interceptor. What is it?

Whether you choose Star Trek or Star Wars I think we can all agree that this extraneous extra stuff is a waste of time since, the studios who own the universes, ignore it all the time. All these books and supplementals do is give Fanboy something to argue about on Discord, or in comments sections.

Pablo Hidalgo stopped doing his job like 9 years ago, why do you expect him to do anything these days. My favourite book will always be the first crossection compilation, it's full of interesting data like picture of y-wing with complete armor plating or that the b-wing was escorting star fighters, we can assume defending them from patrol anti-fighter craft like IPVs

Well, Omega HAS to be modified, that was obvious from her first appearance - being both blonde and FEMALE.

Loved the Essential Guide to Warfare but also to date me a bit loved the CD Rom's they had Behind the Magic. They did two of them a standalone covering the Original Trilogy and the other covered Ep I. If it was an essential guide back in the day it was in my library.

Damn man i loved the Imperator prototype for the Imperial I

Makes more sense the domes are sensors given real life inspiration and Han Solo even hides from the view of the domes in ESB hence crew reports losing the falcon on scanners… also why would shield generators not protect themselves from destruction when the shields are raised (the implication that the domes are shield generators)? Doesn’t make much sense…

Lore can change, but it's like putting a new suit on a corpse...

Seeing Andor next to Obi Wan in the title "Dawn of the Rebellion" made me think Obi Wan does part time in aiding rebel missions while his main gig is to protect Luke from afar.

My favorite was the Thrawn Trilogy sourcebook. Loved the Zahn novels and the sourcebook fleshed them out.

What about the other female clones? How were the entire units not “reprogrammed” by the Kaminoans? Heck, the Kaminoans have wiped out whole units because of the wrong eye color, imagine what would happen if they had the wrong plumbing

so i am 100% find with the isd bee a post order 66 ship and not a late clone wars ship but i dont know what i feel about the pelta is over 200 years old but even the big cis donut is from the high republic as we see in the eclipse

My favorite references books are the Incredible Cross-section books.

Is that gameplay from Sky Rogue? I picked it up ages ago on sale, didn't know there was Star Wars stuff for it, mods I assume?

Interesting lore tidbits! Sorry this isn't on topic for the video, but what polygonal fighter game is being played as background footage around 4:10 and 6:45 of the video?

Though not from a reference book I thought that the first Star Destroyer that would be closest to the ones we see from Ep 4 and forward was the Victory-class, which I thought was designed to be the first replacement for the Venator-class cruisers from the Clone Wars. Maybe I'm remembering wrong but it works well in my mind.

Favorite Star Wars reference book? Definitely the "Essential Guide to Vehicles and Vessels". Still have my old copy that's worn almost to the point of falling apart. I used it as references for my fan art quite a lot when I was a youngling.

On a related note, can anyone who bought the book tell me if they gave an official name for the AK blaster rifles from Andor?

You know, the backstory of Beru does make sense. Her father-in-law freed Shmi after all, and while he married her it might be logical that he bought other people with the purpose of freeing them too in the past. It seems like the entire Lars family hates the slavery happening on the planet, especially after seeing how it affected the Skywalkers.

Honestly the Imp-1's lore doesn't upset me. While it did seem an understandable evolution from the Venator class, it felt weird for both it and the Victory to be clone wars-era ships, even if it was the last few months or something. To me it made more sense for after the war when they analyzed the problems they had with the separatist fleet, namely that they tended to be outgunned one-for-one.

In all fairness Eckhart, have the Disney lore added anything worth remembering.

Why such a negative title? Regarding the Pelta, remember the High Republic era ends a few decades before The Phantom Menace

I like the idea still that ISD Is are from the Clone Wars as it kind of makes sense that they were a late war development program that produced a hull form tailored to the "last war" with a focus on qualitatively dominating smaller capital ships and carrying swarm fighters as protection instead of being reliant in better much large strike fighters fof power projection. They just happened to look menancing and were a good jobs program so the Empire ran with it!

Head canon is king.