Sonic Origins is Not Finished 

"This should've been an easy home run..." is Sega's whole career after the early 2000s.

Sonic not shouting “yes” while getting an extra life makes this unbuyable Edit: y’all I just bought the game

8:27 “…but losing Ice Cap is really giving fans a hard time.” I see what you did there

It's insane how, when you compare this to Sonic Mega Collection, how much more love there seems to be in the Mega Collection than here. Attention to details, etc. It's just. . .odd how lack luster Origins is. I agree 100% with bickuribox12 in that it's a good entry point for people to play the games (or again), and I certainly enjoyed playing through them, but the museum, the lack of options, and so on, just made the experience shallow and surreal in a way.

"Losing Ice Cap is really giving fans a hard time" Hah, I caught that. Also, great video.

I feel bad for the team from HeadCannon that worked on this. They kept begging Sega for more time but were denied repeatedly. They have offered to fix many bugs and continue working on the game but it seems Sega doesn't care. It's no wonder they were reusing assets wherever possible considering how much time Sega gave them to port these mobile versions.

"It had promised to be the definitive version of sonic's classic titles wrapped in a convinient package for modern audiences" "It had promised to be the definitive version of grand theft auto's classic titles wrapped in a convinient package for modern audiences"

WELCOME TO SONIC TEAM, WE MAKE GAMES I THINK?

I'm convinced that Amy was supposed to be playable. All of the animations suggest that she was supposed to be there with the other playable characters. She would have also been a super interesting addition if they kept her Advance 1 mechanics.

Cutscenes can be skipped but you gotta press the B button for some reason.

5:25 And thus, playable Amy was added into Sonic Origins Plus.

8:12 -- Your absolutely raw delivery of *"TURN IT OFF"* has been living rent free in my head for a good while now

Also, a thing that upsets me the most is the whole "New Playable Characters" and what's depicted in the new animations. In the final animation Amy is shown as someone capable of using her hammer to destroy spike pits and enemies keeping up with Knuckles, yet she's not even unlockable. It would've been such a nice and welcome addition, yet here we are.

I genuinely want to slap everyone at sega and give them a wake up call, this is ridiculous. All because they NEEDED it out on sonics anniversary. If origins got a little more time in development, and if the developers didn’t make everything locked behind a stupid ass paywall, we could have had a gem on our hands. Give it up for SEGA everyone!!!

“Losing ice cap is a hard time” I see what you did there.

Sonic Mega Collection is better than this..

If I had a nickel for every time Sega released a game without it being necessarily done or to the satisfaction of fans, I'd have at least a couple rolls of nickels.

It's incredible that EVEN TO THIS DAY sega still goes out of their way to make things worse for no reason

So glad you’re finally getting the props you deserve and I think this is only the start been watching you for years now. Keep this up!!!

to me sonic origins would've been PERFECT if they used the mania engine for all games in anniversary mode, added knuckles into ALL games, used the OG verions for classic mode, had the same music from s3&k, and added knuckles chaotix. keep all the game modes they have. I wouldve played that sh*t till i died. i knoew it seems like a lot but damn they've had A LOT of time to work on this one. im hoping there can be a small 3d compilation like mario 3d all stars...hopefully containing sonic 3d blast, sonic adventure and sonic adventure 2...i think that'd be the most realistic trio, i would play that sh*t till i die too.

Imagine having the best, most hardworking sonic fans at your disposal, the guys gals and others who made one of your best games to DATE, and you treat them like shit to rush some ports of their favorite retro games. For shame Sega.

"Mods have already fixed this" It really goes to show how Sega doesn't even *try* to figure out what we want, so we have to tell them ourselves

9:06 the main menu text at the top left corner: you didint have to cut me off-

Who came back here after the Sonic Origins plus announcement?

What confused me oddly is the ending cutscene of this game makes me feel like Amy WAS supposed to be playable, but as you said, Sega… Sega. Also, I found out in Sonic 2, if you get 50 rings, complete a special stage, then restart the act… you can go into that same checkpoint and get another chaos emerald. Meaning you can get all emeralds as early as THE FIRST ACT OF EMERALD HILL ZONE.

I'm very impressed by this video's script. You somehow manage to sound upbeat and positive while criticizing a game, resulting in a nice vibe. This is something I've struggled with

The barrel of doom💀💀 1:52

This was a really insightful video and honestly it definitely pays to wait for a few patches before digging into this one. It's a shame it couldn't have been a perfect release from Sega, especially at that price point. It is eye-wateringly high given today's financial markets around the world. Still, good effort from the developers to try their best to make the experience a good one. I look forward to getting it when it's on sale.

The fact that they didn't make a classic knuckles to put on S3&K island is unacceptable.

I think the biggest problem with this game is that pricetags set expectations. If it were 15 dollars than sure this is fine. If you're spending that much for a few games from the 90's, you expect it to be perfect

Here's hoping Plus fixes all of these issues that the comp had. I know I didn't buy it because of so many little negatives and nitpicks that I knew as an experienced player that I would notice, but playable Amy has my eyes glued to it now.

Why do Sega keep punishing us for loving their mascot?

Between Colors and this its amazing how Sega can fuck up the absolute safest Sonic projects

I got to say it feels like Amy was supposed to be playable considering she was on the box art and she was in the final animated cutscene.

So glad I watched this. I thought I was going crazy I couldn't get into the room with the chaos ring in it in the second level of Sonic 3. Shame on them man. I still payed 45.00 for it though.

0:45 Ok that was good 😂

“I was all ready to jam out to Sonic Boom when I slammed, head first, into a cold, corporate silence”. Can we all just take the time to appreciate that line. 😂

The bug that bothers me the most so far is Tails not de-spawning when off screen in Sonic 2, and having to listen to him jump until something kills him or loading the boss culls the rest of the stage. Especially since story mode locks you into Sonic & Tails mode.

Awesome, in-depth, and definitely entertaining review which definitely helped give me a better understanding of what the game consists of. ❤️‍🔥👍

this is absolutely the best review of a modern sonic game I have ever seen, have a like & sub my guy!

A quick little thing I will say is that you CAN skip cutscenes... but its mapped to the B Button for some reason.

Seems a lot of people are unaware of this, but there are extra options in the cheat screens. By performing the level select on Sonic 1 you CAN play as Sonic & Tails, as well as adding Sonic 3 powerups to the game and adding a 7th Chaos Emerald (with a truly frustrating bonus stage!) However, we really should not have to use a level select to get these options... And I haven't checked the other games yet.

i have no idea why, but hearing your voice just makes feel soothed.

15:05 BRO THAT ACTUALLY GOT ADDED

8:27 I see what you did there.

There’s not a better combination than a passionate dev team ready to make a great Sonic Game and SEGA rushing it to increase their stocks

I bought Mega Collection+ in protest of this game.

“Generally games get cheaper the more time passes” Please explain this concept to Nintendo, sir.

It’s so strange that Sega has been constantly screwing up Sonic ports nowadays. Especially the classics. They did it right with Sonic Jam and Mega Collection, why is it so hard to make a rerelease worth the price of admission?

Lmao hi ! 3/23/2023 I just saw this video and literally they just announced a plus version of it. I don’t know how good it will be lol only time will tell Hi people from the past.

I think Sega actually took inspiration because in plus they added Amy as a playable, character and knuckles in Sonic CD

It’s really sad how this turned out, because without the bugs, I’d say this is easily worth the price of admission. But man, this was so clearly rushed. It’s sad that SEGA has learned nothing from how this business practice nearly killed the franchise in the past.

I know it's really nitpicky, but the thing that bothered me the most was honestly the single motion from start to electric shield in Marble Garden 1. Hitting a ceiling pillar in the new version made me just go "oh" when it happened. Especially because it's one of my favourite zones from Sonic 3.

As someone who only bought sonic 1, 2 and 3 on steam, it's a big relief that CD has the least problems.

8:29 You made this joke, and moved on, so subtly. You earned a like just for making that Hard Times reference.

How is it that a 16-bit 4 game collection from the early 90s managed to end up as another rush job by Sega and Sonic team?! Astounding. If they couldn’t even get this right, I have little to no faith in Frontiers

SEGA fired the only people who have made a good Sonic game in a long time. Great job!

Sega has this weird trend of making bad games only because they don’t let it be fully realized. Sonic 06’? Bad because rushed Origins? Bad because rushed Secret Rings? Bad because rushed They just need to prioritize quality instead of timeliness. I would be fine with getting a sonic game in 2 or 3 years as long as it’s good.

The worst part is always that these games are 30 years old. The thought that any glitches are here is a fucking absurdity. Besides that you can actually activate some settings to make the games more faithful like turning off spindash or patched spikes in Sonic 1, but you have to enter a cheat code. TO MAKE THE CLASSIC MODE WORK, YOU HAVE TO KNOW A CHEAT CODE.

Okay, Sega, here's how to make an excellent Sonic compilation release in the modern day: Just release Mega Collection Plus and Gems Collection as a single purchase that people can make on modern systems. And launching it just opens a menu that lets you pick 'Mega Collection Plus' or 'Gems Collection', and then boots up whichever you picked. That's it. You don't have to do anything else. You could even charge full price for it and have paid DLC, because that would still be a good deal for the amount of games on offer.

The ending for Sonic CD was originally sped up for Sonic Jam, as a sneaky way of combining both the good ending and the bad ending animations without outlasting the music. Through some cartoonish level of incompetence, this somehow found its way into Sonic Origins, totally destroying the intended tone and pace of the final scene. The animation is so clearly overclocked that I can’t imagine how SEGA didn’t rectify this. While I’m hopeful that a few patches could iron certain issues out, others seem to be actual choices SEGA made, like removing all of CD’s voice clips and hiding features in the debug menus. The fact they even removed the level select features from the iOS ports tells me that SEGA had no interest in matching Christian Whitehead’s level of quality and attention to detail. But what else is new.

Thank u so much, interested in starting so soft during quarintine and just need a place to get started, thx for the support

We NEED to get this Vid to 1 MIL

They also changed one of the best things from the Sonic 2 mobile port. In Air Base Zone you don't die from the 2 launchers after the platform section. You just get hopped to the other platform. In origins though they brought the terrible cheap death back.

I don't get how Sega manages to fail at everything. You'd think after getting poor reception on 5 unfinished games in a row, they might try harder to make something beyond mediocre.

I don’t know how tou do it, but I’ve watched the video like 10 times, yet it never gets old

It's insane to me that something this rough along the edges exists, when Sonic Mega Collection existed 20 years ago and was mostly great.

One thing I wanna add to the topic brought up at around 10:53 is that the movement locking when jumping out of a Spin Dash or ball was actually also in the original Sonic 1, 2, and 3&K as well and not exclusive to the mobile ports, which means SEGA put the Drop Dash into these games without taking the original mechanics into account. It would’ve been an easy fix too. Just have it to where your movement unlocks when you use it, which is something the Insta-Shield already does in the case of 3&K. It just comes off as SEGA slapped the Drop Dash onto S1 and 2 without much afterthought.

"Losing "Ice Cap" is really giving fans a hard time" I see what you did there.

Sega released an unfinished and buggy Sonic game!?? Shocker.

Nice video man, clear and concise explanation! Thanks a lot!

3:02 *GTA TRILOGY "DEFINITIVE" EDITION FLASHBACKS BEGIN*

"Should've been an easy home run" seems like the most common phrase in gaming now. Nobody can do the polish, anymore. Everyone is doing average work. What happened to competition? Why is corporate meddling even MORE common than it used to be? Why is a sonic rerelease so hard for Sega to figure out???

Thats SEGA being SEGA.

3:43 oh buddy, your gonna HATE sonic superstars.

I think it's really telling that they removed other versions of the game to force newcomers into this one. Almost like they're admitting this isn't a big enough deal to make you decide to go for it compared to the originals. But toggle options for everything and proper save states should've been included as a bare minimum. Other than that I just think it's a shame it wasn't a physical collection. I thought the initial announcement was such a big deal because it'd be the first physical release in a long time, not JUST because they were releasing Sonic3&K again. And while that's certainly the best version of the game, it's odd they don't let you play them separately like in prior collections. I wonder if that's because of MJ's involvement with Sonic 3's standalone credits. But hey, Sonic Colors Ultimate didn't even add a toggle for the soundtrack until well-after I 100% completed the game--I didn't even know they added that until recently. So between that and what happened with Mania Plus, I feel good about holding out for a physical release down the line that will fix and address many of the complaints.

The guys behind the game have acknowledged that there were problems, they even told SEGA the version they submitted was not ready to release, SEGA refused to let them fix it. Headcannon even stated that most of the bugs people are complaining about aren't even the ones they knew about. I'm pretty sure this is happening because Chris Whitehead's team beat the ever living shit out of SEGA when Sonic Mania came out with Forces, and Mania was gold but Forces tanked. Now, they're pissed off and trying to make Headcannon look like shit. SEGA's starting to look worse than Nintendo at this point.

is it a bad thing that wacky workbench was, and still is among my favorite stages of the entire sonic franchise? I don't know why, but I just love wacky workbench with a passion...

I was scared after colors ultimate but now my fears have come true. A once “near” flawless, hardworking team has gone lazy and yet more money hungry than ever before smh

I am so glad I already owned CD and set up Sonic Forever, Sonic 2 Absolute, and Sonic 3 A.I.R. before this came out. Those are absolutely the definitive ways to play these games on PC, even if they don't have the convenience of coming in one collection.

A bug I hope never gets patched out is in the boss rush. If you lose all your lives, hit no when it asks you to retry, then hit continue on the main menu you will be at the boss that you lost your last life to. Essentially giving you unlimited lives. This was the only way I could beat the boss rush mode for each game.

You know its bad when rom hacks and mods give you more playable characters and better play then an official sonic collection.

I love your sonic videos a lot

Delisting the games separately is the only think I consider unacceptable. I think it goes against what sega has build for the last few years, making sonic and their genesis library as accesible as possible. I am truly starting to hate the practice of selling retro games exclusively in bundles. Bundles are supposed to be a way of paying less money by buying multiple things at once. Imagine if other mediums worked like that, if you could only buy toy story 2 if you buy all four movies together. It is bizarre that classic mode runs on the new engines, sega has already developed multiple sega genesis emulatores, they should've been just the roms with save states enabled. I mean if you are not allowing you to mix and match between classic and anniversary, at list they could have offer the true classic experience I actually like the addition of coins, getting currency by playing retro games and then spending that currency in a store is I think a good risk reward system that can replace lives to some extent. I hate games replacing lives all together ignoring all the components of the games that contributed to the lives system, like rings, live boxes and lives as a reward for exploration and risks.

When Sonic Generations came out...i really had optimism for the future of the season. Hah, those were good times!

you know, for a game made for the DS, sonic classic collection really makes this seem like a bootleg.

This makes me think that, apart from sonic CD, the definitive way to play these outside the original is the GameCube collection.

Fun fact: *You can unlock Super Sonic in Sonic 2 in Origins by Emerald Hill ACT 1. Yes.* Basically, once you hit all the checkpoints and you've obtained all the emeralds for them, you can hit "Restart" in Anniversary Mode and it'll reset the checkpoints whilst retaining your number of emeralds, pretty much allowing you to grind all 7 at the *very start of the game for free* .

To be entirely honest, I was actually looking forward to playing Sonic 3 with versions of the prototype music. Carnival Night especially is a case where I actually _preferred_ the prototype music to the final version. But these adaptations they had Jun Senoue do are just plain worse than the songs in the prototype. Carnival Night, my favorite prototype song, is now my _least_ favorite song in the entire Sonic 3 soundtrack. And it just left me wishing they would've just used the prototype songs as they were.

"Alright, does it still work? ... Yep." Gave me a good laugh.

Hoping the patch (or further patches) corrects a lot of this. I have some of my own qualms about it, one of which goes back to the mobile releases. I think those mobile versions are the definitive versions but there are a few hiccups. Being able to get a few hits in as the boss in Green Hill Zone first descends is classic and they shouldn't have taken that away. Also, some of the fly enemies in Aquatic Ruin Zone in Sonic 2 fly onto the screen a bit early.

"But losing Ice Cap is giving everyone a hard time." HARD TIMES, HAPPIEST DAYS OF MY LIFE HARD TIMES ARE MINE.

One thing I never see mentioned is Sonic 3 & Knuckles' new sprites. They actually made new sprites for the game. For example, in the original, Super Sonic shared a few sprites with normal Sonic, just with a yellow color pallet. Here, Super Sonic never reuses normal Sonic's sprites. The new sprites fit the original style so well, most don't even notice them there.

I haven’t encountered any of this. Recently in the last week going through all 4 games and some of the newly released game gear games and didn’t have a single performance problem the full time. It’s probably been fixed since this original video was made.

Congrats on 1 million views!!

Isn't it not amazing how a collection from 1997, Sonic Jam, has more room for tweaking the game to how the player wants than a collection from 2022. Like it doesn't rope you into playing it this one way, and ONLY this one way to get all the bells and whistles, as it allowed you to turn on or off the Spin Dash from Sonic 1 turn off the time limit from Sonic 1-3&K change the difficulty setting from Easy, Normal (basically the Anniversary mode) or Original (as the game was originally released) And you mix and match with the various settings to however you want, even while playing in Original. And these things couldn't be added into Origins because...? Also with the removal of Sonic talking in CD, I can't help but wonder if they're trying to rewrite history. "Oh, don't you know! Sonic NEVER spoke back then!" To fit in with what they have with that bad tribute act they try passing off as Sonic from the 90s in Generations and Forces.

"I make 31 years look good" -sonic

Something that would have boosted the value of this collection tremendously would be if classic mode was actual emulation of the Genesis/Mega Drive classics, also unlocking them in the Genesis/Mega Drive collection they released previously if you didn't already have them. Also, bundling the previous Steam version of CD in as a separate library item you get with it for free. Yeah, the price bump would be annoying, but at least these versions of the games would still be legally accessible, along with all the rom hacks and fan creations such as Sonic 3 AIR that have been made by the community over the years. Them not doing anything even remotely like this feels like a huge middle finger to the fanbase, throwing our fan creations under the bus for a frankly unfinished collection that desperately needs polishing.

The ice cap replacement is the only one I would consider on par with the original prototypes But how the fuck did they butcher carnival night and launch base that bad! The original prototype music is infinitely better!

I'm so glad that i got refunded... I'm back to Sonic 3 A.I.R now....