"Sorry, I cut the corner" | PILOT BUSTS BRAVO AIRSPACE at Phoenix! 

He probably gets permission if he asks for it.

Seems like an honest mistake to me. He didn't realize he cut the corner until ATC made a comment, then he realized his error and admitted to it.

Easier to beg forgiveness than to ask permission...

30W: "Sorry I cut the corner" ATC: "You can apologize to that American Airlines jet with 300 people in it that had to deviate to avoid you".

Carefree and cutting corners...😏

His honestly is what saved him from further action IMHO. Controller would absolutely have given him a number if he'd try to claim he hadn't.

Just own it. Mistakes happen.

There's no point lying about it, everything is recorded these days.

@@Hans-gb4mv Hah, doesn't stop many...

@@repatch43even if he got a phone number that’s not the end of the world. Everyone thinks a phone number means you’re dead. It means you have a conversation with someone which almost never ends up enforcement action. Even N1NR got off without any issues after his phone call.

As we say in Australia - Howzat?

That's a lot more grace than he would have gotten from Potomac Approach! They would have violated him in a heartbeat.

​@@flyingheart2007I wonder why that is lol

@@jetway756 😜🤣 Yep. Although Potomac does have an attitude problem overall.

Seriously? ​@@flyingheart2007 I have been flying out of KJYO for a few years and often get flight following or IFR with Potomac, they're really nice usually. Maybe I'm lucky lol

No number, he was ‘transitioning’ , the new woke faa.

It is incredible how a sincere apology can ameliorate the situation very quickly. We all make mistakes and ATC know that. Just acknowledge the mistake and apologize and more often than not, people will let it go.

Sometimes an apology will save you from a phone number.

They're extremely decent

@@joemeyer6876 Do you spend all your time watching right wing anger news? Woke woke DEI woke 😅

I don’t think they can act on social media posts.

@@tomthebomb9474oh they definitely can

​@@tomthebomb9474They could!

@@tomthebomb9474 You sure?

Yeah I noticed that too

It's just a clever way for the channel owner to attract more comments. He's a smart guy and knows what he's doing haha this is why almost every single VAS video has 2 or 3 obvious caption errors

theres a tech dude who will botch bneyond reason common words like mcdonalds to may duck alds @@user-nk4td9bg6w

At least this one owned up to it

" that's the whole point, I've been talking you whole time" "then, clear me thru ".

Good example of better to ask for forgiveness than permission.

Did that dude ever get his license revoked?

From what I heard the FAA just let him go with a warning...

So what you are saying to the controller is.... Bravo!!!

I think the short version of this would be if you act like an adult, you'll get treated like an adult. Act like a child...

He could have said "this is not going to fly", but then again it was already, soooo...

Yes, I was thinking the same thing!

but he cut himself

you rent a plane that is known to bust up the bravo? or a school operate near ya that does lol our controller asked me if i was a student pilot at xxx school nope why they just about bust the memphis shelf once a week minimum nope aint them but can i get a circling climb to the north to 12k to clear the bravo please

my understanding was, he never realized until this moment he was in Bravo... he believed the route would take him just outside it, yet now, he realized the part cut the corner of it ever so slightly... to me, that's what the exclamation "just cut the corner" was.

Probably only because he was on FF.

I didn’t take that as he thought it was okay to cut the corner, but rather an acknowledgment that he did indeed breach bravo airspace unintentionally. Seemed like he was accepting blame

@@gregoryhughes that is true...

@@stanislavkostarnov2157 no way in a Cirrus that he didn't know! My panel mounted avionics and EFB tell with visual warnings me when I'm within a few miles of airspace and then give me a countdown in minutes until I penetrate it and again then tell me when I enter it. Not only that, but it's drawn on the moving map screen. If I have it in my 1967 Mooney, then a Cirrus definitely has it. It's not like this guy was in a Piper Cub with just a paper map and a view outside.

Flight Following is simply an advisory service provided on a workload permitting basis. They are not responsible for keeping you from busting airspace. If you are VFR, you are responsible for that. They might notice and ask prior, but it's not up to them to do so.

Flight Following in the US is a little different. Services are on a workload basis, controller can deny you Flight Following, but even if they do agree to Flight Following their primary focus is IFR flight plans. The VFR aircraft can essentially do what they want unless the controller tells them to do something different like hold a course or altitude. So while he’s on ATC’s radar, ATC isn’t really prioritizing him unless he’s at risk to other traffic. So ATC probably went back to check on him and noticed he violated airspace. In NY airspace they’ll sometimes let me know or remind me to stay out of the Bravo airspace as I get closer. Sometimes they tell me to hold a course and altitude and if I haven’t received clearance I’ll check in that I’m descending to avoid the Bravo. They either response, “Altitude your discretion” which is still the same thing as stay out of the Bravo or “cleared into the Bravo” which I greatly appreciate because my aircraft has the glide ratio of a brick.

@@sakumisan Sure, you are responsible, but it makes their lives easier if they point out your mistake before you make it.

@@xplayman That's basically the same as in the UK. In the UK, they try to make the service useful enough that VFR pilots contact them, since there is no requirement to do so. Then, once you are in contact with them, they can stop you going where you aren't supposed to be. Farnborough LARS (Lower Altitude Radar Service), which covers most of south east England, including the area all around London, intervenes more than 1,000 times a year to advise pilots that they are about to infringe controlled airspace. That's the main reason they provide the service.

Because it’s the pilot’s responsibility, and there likely wasn’t any conflict.

Nah, the only people that care are weirdos on the internet.

Well, you are assuming he has buddies 😊

More than LA??? LMAO

And he's in a Cirrus with one of the most advanced avionics packages supplied in a light single airplane today, with huge maps and airspace alerts and all the things, and he still managed to bust the Bravo. Should have just pulled the chute...

Your comment makes no sense whatsoever.

There’s nothing different in this regard in the US because ATC does the same thing here-if they can. This is a very busy area of Phoenix airspace. The video does not contain all the other audio of other traffic this controller was dealing with.

Come on, lets be real here. He was just slightly cutting a corner on his outbound. No aimless flying around or aiming right for the center of the airspace. If he had climbed a bit slower he would have stayed below it. No reason to be anal about it.

This was me controlling. I usually brasher everyone, but I must have been feeling generous. I usually have no sympathy for people flying G1000 aircraft where you clearly know where you are.

​@@graham609He did it on purpose, and had the integrity to acknowledge it.

No. The box is the box for a reason. Dude knows what’s up.

@@MomedicsChannel weird shaped box.

Yep showing off his climb rate right into the Bravo. 🤣

Fun fact: the Japanese kanji (character) for "forest" is literally just three of the "tree" kanji. So in a sense, a forest is tree trees.

Controller said elsewhere in the comments that he didn’t issue a Brasher

Northbound and some eastbound departures out of KPHX, like the FORPE.

Arrivals into Phoenix.

Doesn’t matter.

@@neilsingh5311thank you

I'm surprised his avionics didn't raise an airspace warning about it.

@@gottesma I have a glass cockpit and I don't receive an obvious notification about class B shelfs, unless I am connected to ForeFlight.

LiveATC has the audio clipped. FlightAware has the path. Don't believe online comments until you look at both because there's a lot of misinformation spreading.

Looks like 2647 Pagoda Dr was ground zero.

I guess it’s the new V-tail.

I don’t babysit pilots and tell them the obvious. I’m a pilot too and one of the first things to learn is that you need a clearance to enter bravo airspace. What you’re suggesting is like me having to tell them to remain VFR; it’s asinine. Also I don’t like to use the phrase “remain clear of bravo airspace” because pilots will just hear the word clear and think they’re cleared into the bravo. If I think it’s necessary I’d say “remain outside of bravo airspace.”

All the other traffic on the frequency was trimmed out. Youre reacting to an illusion that he was the only plane.

@@graham609 I don’t disagree with you on any of that, but it’s hardly “asinine” to suggest that the controller could’ve been proactive to prevent him from cutting that corner. It’s just a matter of being proactive to help a guy out, rather than watching him do something you already knew he was going to do. Also, you’re right, “remain outside” is definitely a better way to say “remain clear”. I don’t fly Vfr anymore, so…

A class of airspace. Bravo stands for B as in class B airspace

Maybe he already knows the number!

Some of y'all are really thirsty

possible

Nah, he even assumed his move

Unless the radar has fidelity of more that 5 miles.... Lol. He can clearly see he's in class B

I think Approach saw the direct line he was taking.

It's not like he was 731NR, THERE was considerable attitude and point-outs required.

Nope, they were just fact-of-the-matter. Guy busted a Bravo knowingly to save a few minutes.

ATC has rules to follow as well. They can't just ignore someone busting the Bravo.

Haha thank you.

This is a particularly American attitude I find a lot online. If you tell someone a fact you must couch it in the most obsequiously polite terms or people get upset. As opposed to Australians who are rather blunt