SOS Bros React - RWBY Volume 6 Chapter 3 - Salem and Ozpin's Backstory!! 

God of Dark: "Still Demanding things from your creators?" Me: "Miles and Kerry are trying to send us a message."

I find it really cool how Salem has Linear immortality like an Olympic god while Ozpin has Cyclical immortality like an Chthonic god.

*You do not understand. There is. NO ONE. Left.* That line gave me chills, like it finally hits you what has just happened

The day when all RWBY theorists about Salem's origins, Ozpin's role in the story and the MOON turned nothing but dust.

Oz got quite the sisyphean task there. "Call us when you have achieved world peace."

I nearly spit out my sprite when he said humanity would just be a remnant of what it was

he did learn his lesson. he told her the truth about the gods and it didn't go well. now he lies

You forget, as long as Remnant continues to use Dust to power everything, no one is getting to space

Also, Tyrian referring to Salem as a goddess.

this was one of the best episode of RWBY ever and certainly the most intense one as well, Team CRWBY ,Miles,Kerry and the whole cast did such an amazing job on it!!!!

Theories: #1. Dust is the metors from the moon #2. Humans respawned FROM dust, ties back to other world or remnant stories. The DARK god intentionally Cracked the moon so humanity would be rebord, it was him alone who did it, the god light was not a part of that. #3. Faunus evolved from the Animals that survived the dark gods annihilation of humanity, when dust hit the earth from the metors over time. some animals ate dust, and since man came from dust some Animals slowly evolved into humans. #4. Dust can be used to create "magic" but humans came from dust which is what Semblances come from. If you paid attention it was the DARK god specifically who broke the moon, and then metors fell down. He purposely broke the moon, he wanted to undo the cleansing of humanity, and regift them magic but to a lesser degree one that warrants maturity to cultivate. Rather then everyone wielding great power easily. this also explains why faunas have Semblance, cause they evolved from animals that ate dust. this also strings the theory that faunas existed before man, because man was once whipped and the animals that survived that consumed metors "dust" started to slowly evolve before humans.

It's funny to think that if Salem had just gone straight to the God of Darkness, everything would have probably worked out for her. And that's why we always make deals with the devil first, kids

"Salem, however, found freedom not in the outside world she longed for, but in the eyes of the man who saved her. (Ozma/Ozpin)" *skip ahead to the aftermath of their battle, before Salem kills Ozma/Ozpin* "We _finally_ had our freedom." I feel like those two lines show more than anything just how much the Grimm Pool corrupted Salem. She went from being a beautiful, caring woman whose greatest sense of freedom came from being with the man she loved, to being someone whose greatest sense of freedom came not from that same man who she now has a family with, but from behaving in a way not entirely different from the very two beings she hated, and accused of being mosters. Someone pure that lived for love, and she became someone who lived to destroy the lives of all who go against her without care for circumstances, similar to how the gods ultimately destroyed Salem's life simply because they did not understand her circumstances(as a girl who was likely raised without much love, if any at all. Not to mention her living with little to no true freedom until Ozma saved her.), and did not truly care to understand. "Born an angel/ Heaven sent Falls from grace are never elegant." -RWBY V2, Sacrifice

Fun Fact: the voice for the God of Light is Schmitt from Sword Art Online Abridged (the meat-toboggan guy).

Contrary to what many believe, I think Oz was actually able to "kill" Salem or at least her physical body temporarily. At 26:31 you see Salem regenerating from light (because she was made immortal by the Light God's power). It's just that her immortality brought her back but, if not for that, he would have succeeded in killing her.

Fun fact: If you go back to The Great War world of remnant, the king of vale who ended the war had two relics- the crown and the sword- on him (highlighted in gold as opossed to the king being colored green)

_God of light appears_ "Oh. My. God."

I really think that the main reason Salem wants the relics is to make the judgment day happen in the hopes that the whole world getting erased will finally end her existence.

Salem FELL hard for love

Heard a theory that dust are the remains of humanity after the Dark Brother God Thanosed the planet

Still, the most powerful line of this episode has to be "How do I destroy Salem." "You can't."

Just want to point out Jinn said "*You* can't" Implying that Ozma/Ozpin can't destroy Salem. Maybe someone else can

Longest SOS discussion ever? Not counting podcasts and streams

there is no way the humanity can fight back againt the gods, the dark one literally destroyed the moon cause it was in his way

Nobody is gonna comment about the fact that the 2 brothers were fauna-like in their appearance?

Oh, My God. Rooster Teeth really up their story telling, this is top notch lore. Super interesting

*She was starved for love...* *She resented love...* *She desired love...* *And... she was DESTROYED by love...* Oh Salem...

I didn't really understand why Ozpin ended up having to clean up after the mess Salem caused. :X She first did it for lover, but became twisted along the way. And he never asked for her to go through all that for him either. :S I'm confused. The gods were so very heartless about it. Salem having to witness the grief of losing Oz 3 times. Though they were right in a way to teach her lesson to not overstep boundaries, god damn. That was a real shitty way to go about it. And then dumping responsibility on someone else. The God of Light blames humanity's extinction on the God of Darkness. And then leaves Oz to fix it.

1:07:03 To Quote Doctor Ooblek "History is important... If you can't learn from it... you're destined to repeat it." Volume 1 of RWBY

Ozma: Salem i dont feel so good

To summarize this episode: The gods are giant doughbags. I mean Salem deserved to be punished but not to that extent.

So I have a theory. What if the reason for the Great War was someone in Atlas discovering this truth somehow? Either through the Lamp or otherwise and deciding the way to achieve this was via quelling the emotions of the masses. That living in harmony required controlling their emotions to those insane degrees.

The God of Light is voiced by a RU-vidr, ChaseFace... He has a phenomenal natural voice like radio-announcer-quality good

Salem and Ozpin’s curse reminds me of Meliodas and Elizabeth’s curse

Now I REALLY want to read a novel with Salem as the protagonist. She's so deliciously, desperately, humanly flawed. The Immortal Maiden Trilogy or something like that. Haven't watched all of your discussion (catching a flight now!) but there's something so poignant about the beginning. The lonely maiden trapped in a tower! The righteous young hero rescues her! They fall in love! But the moment they left the tower, they became human. Human illnesses, human flaws, human pettiness. Salem being human (instead of fairytale) caused all these. Also, nice touch by Rooster Teeth to have to God of Light as an Asian dragon (can't tell if Chinese or Japanese). Not only a nice visual contrast to his brother, but also that in Asian mythology Dragons are demi-god figures, typically of wisdom and luck. All the good attributes, unlike the Western style dragon.

One thing that I finally noticed is that the God of Lights Lake looks exactly Like the Spring Maidens temple in Volume 5... Blew my mind

"if you think this story has a happy ending, you haven't been paying enough attention."

NOT SPOILER! The next chapter tells you that Salem liked truth. She doesn't like lying

sadly the next episode is only 13 minuts. Still really good so I got no complaints. The season is just getting better and better

Honestly this episode left me so pissed at the god of light, he comes off as a petty hypocrite, meanwhile the god of darkness seams pretty chill

I believe that the kid's power was passed on. They are the product of a physical immortal and a spiritual immortal, and they already had magic. I don't really see any reason why the power swap aspect of the maidens couldn't be the case from the beginning.

I bet the daughters didn't make it out of that hallway alive. Maybe Oz gave the original Maidens their powers because he saw his daughters in them.

"Ozma" is a reference to Princess Ozma, the rightful ruler of the Land of Oz, hidden away by the Wizard of Oz, while he ruled in her stead. Just as Ozpin hid his past as Ozma from everyone.

I feel like this all could've been avoided if the Gods understood how strong human emotions were, instead of teaching her, giving her support in mourning him they practically said "Deal with it" and kicked her out and then they cursed her for having such strong emotions and doing anything for her love.... I feel like the Gods are just powerful jerks.... it's sad :( "Felt pity" - wow that really helps her GodOLight, thanks so much! I'll just live normal again.... and when they kept killing and bringing him back, like wth???? You're ripping her apart and then punishing her for being emotional 😂😂

5:01 Holy shit how did I not notice that the first watch through? That cape looks exactly like Glynda's cape!

This is apparently a long, thought-out rant... Thinking over this chapter, it seems that both Salem and Oz has the same problem; trying to destroy Salem by force. As Jinn answered, it's not possible, not as long as Salem is cursed with immortality. And there-in lies the solution. Her curse can be broken, just like every curse in fairytales. Whether its a poison apple, eternal sleep, or being a beast, there's always a cure (usually by true love's kiss or other similiar cliche). For Salem, the cure to her curse was already explained by the god of creation, that is, for her to understand the needed balance between life and death. Her mistake/problem was that every time she tried to do the opposite, she only made her situation worse, and not just for herself either. When she was first cursed, rather then learning her lesson and look past her own selfishness, she became spiteful and led mankind against the gods, their creators, who in turn, outright Thanosed them. Then she continued in her arrogance and tried to bypass their curse by using the dark pit which only made her more malovolent and making it harder to learn the initial lesson. As far Oz is concerned, his only real issue (sort of) is he became more focused on Salem and how to destroy her instead of the task that he was assigned to help united mankind. But in retropsect, due to Salem's presense, his mission is being thrown off and his mission/attention is divided. Even worse, if his mission fails, the world will be annihilated. And there is a good chance that Salem will still be alive, probably left alone in the void. In the end, it seems, only Salem can stop, or rather, save Salem...

I feel so bad for Ozbin, and they gave him so much crap.

I can just picture someone from RWBY pulling this quote from Bayonetta: Bloody Fate when being judged by the Gods: "You're such an egotist. What good is a world where you get your way all the time? It sounds like a bore. I think I'll stick with chaos, if you don't mind."

You guys have literally the best analysis of shows I've ever seen anywhere...

11:43 ok thanos

Ozmas two daughters in one of his following lives had silver eyes. Now, this episode told us that magic is also something the dark god gave humanity, who also created the creatures of grimm. Silver eyes are essentially anti magic/destruction and Salem doesn't want them around to prevent massive grimm depopulation which would directly lower her influence on keeping humanity down. Another thing, humans are using fossilized remains of old humanity as their main power source. Also, dust stops working before exiting the planets atmosphere, Salem is of old humanity (undusted) and this mysterious effect would effectively keep her imprisoned to the planet itself if the brothers intended to not let her leave the planet. Or is that just a wild thought? The whole "while you walk the face of this planet you will be immortal" could make this quite literal and tie into this as well. Also, the Judgement includes "wiping out the planet" if they judge humanity irredeemable, so Salem might be wanting to summon the gods so she could finally rest because of the wording of her immortality curse while at the same time spiting them with making the humanity as disharmonious as possible. As for the Maidens, the story says how the Wizard gave most of his magic to the four girls, which translated to what we now know would be that Ozma somehow grafted like 96% of his magic onto four separate girls and that due to his intent and reincarnation aspect those fragments are also "reincarnating" while following the "will" of their owner by going from one woman to another young woman empowering them with magic while latching onto their last users mind process for the next target due to the whole mental aspect of magic needing direction before it goes random. This could also somewhat explain why Cinder felt her power being hungry for its' other "half" because the quarters were willed by Ozpin to act as 4 wholes empowering 4 girls and not differently. There is no logic behind Gurren Laggan ending fight versus the gods considering that the Brothers Grimm can literally wipe out the planet in a second, so that kind of ending falls apart. On the other hand, Ruby is the Drill, Ozcar is Simon with inner Kamina, Salem is anti-spiral Nia at the head of anti-spirals. Ruby is the Drill that will allow Ozcar to pierce the Heavens and rescue Nia leading to a bittersweet ending of lovers reuniting and perishing? Then again, silver eyes/shoes clacking/activating full blast ends the witch/Salem parallel... Ruby Giga Silver Eyes Breaking Salem?

Something I noticed was that Ozpin's second reincarnation (the old man) is the one that gave the powers to the first maidens, and they had parallels to his daughters which is pretty sad in how they may have reminded ozpin of his dead children

Literally been waiting for this all week.

that last violin note playing as the episode ending just gets me thats intense

I have track n field and it was torture, but this feels like reward so thanks so much

So could one theoretically still find the pool of light/fountain of youth, right?

you two are the only reactors that actually listen to whats being said instead of screaming incoherently and missing half the dialogue. its refreshing and actually fun to watch

salem couldn't be reasoned with by the time ozma reincarnated. she's been poisoned by the dark brother's power, the only thing she wants is destruction, of herself, of the world, of everything that causes her pain. she wasn't built to contain that power like the gods were, it corrupted and twisted her into a pained and cornered animal. ozma trying to reason with her may have delayed the inevitable, but in the end, maybe many lifetimes in the future, salem would have seen ozma as the source of her pain and turned on him, she would have lashed out against people for the smallest infraction, used her overwhelming magic to crush armies and kill by the hundreds, because she only wants to destroy. salem cannot be reasoned with, she cannot be contained by anyone, and she cannot die. just listen to divide again, her entire being is summed up in that song, all she wants is to cut everything apart and rip the world into tatters.

On the subject of Adam, I do wonder. Because as Blake said, he is the personification of Spite, I wonder if part of Salem's hypothetical redemption is when she finds herself spitting the same line at Adam. Because he is a perfect mirror of what she once was. Bringing everything together to try and accomplish something, and then just being stripped of everything. I feel there is a lot of parallels there that could be capitalized on.

The fact that magic was the gift of the god of darkness gives some interesting connotations to the purpose of magic in the world.

God of Light: "Look Ozma, we are going to give you a chance to redeem humanity by tasking you with making a utopia where everyone lives in harmony, even though we made humans so that they are capable of both good an evil and it is completely unrealistic to expect this." Ozma: "Okay... so...." God of Light: "Also we are going to leave Salem there. Immortal and indestructible with a desire to destroy and turn humanity against itself. Have fun LOL" Ozma: "WAIT! But why?" God of Light: "She dared ask us for help, and then turned other people against us when we refused. So yeah... we wiped out all of humanity and now still think it best we punish this one human for all eternity, even though it is going to make this impossible task I'm giving you even harder. Totally worth it." Ozma: "Somehow, I agree with you and don't see anything wrong with your logic. I will instead turn on Salem and side with the most childish, petty and irrational gods of all time!" These gods are worse than any other villain in RWBY, honestly.

Great discussion, i also had the idea of ruby destroying the grimm part of salem.

Hi! As I said in another post, I think that Salem's plan in the current day is to bring the relics together, bring back the gods, and let them judge humanity unworthy. Then, they will destroy the world and probably end Salem's life. So, yes, I think that you are absolutely right.

Just something i thought of. I think the castle that Salem and ozpin lived in, where their children died, is the same one Salem lives in now. And their kingdom is now Salem's realm.

The Relic of CHOICE is a crown, Ozpin puts a lot of focus on choices, said he made finding the Beacon Relic more challenging, and Goodwitch's symbol is a crown......

I got some powerful flashes to NnT with this episode. 2 lovers, 2 pissed off and stubborn gods, 1 lover cursed with immortality, 1 lover cursed with reincarnation, and ultimately the collection of godly relics is needed to end the curses.

Idk why but I love you guys

I love your silmarillion parallels I can definitely see them now.

Remember the gods told her on 12:30 that if she’s learns the meaning of life and death only then shall she Rest In Peace. Maybe Gin was right you can’t destroy Salem because she’s immortal, but maybe only Salem can stop herself by “learning her mistake”. But I still wonder if Ruby’s silver eyes are the key to help Salem or something else?...

0:10 exactly! 0:14 if this was scripted I'd think it was a joke.

In MLP there is the logic that magic can't go away into thin air, it needs to go to someone. Maybe that's the logic here as well?

Salem want to rule the world, she basically told Ospin to forget about the judgement thing. She doesn't want it to happen, she doesn't want to die anymore, and she can actually die (The god of light told her, when she understands the value of life and death, then she will rest). The thing is: Salem looks for the relics, probably to prevent Ospin from EVER reuniting them since that might stop her by wiping out everything and so she can actually take over the world unquestioned.

I don't know if you know this but each academy logo is one of the relics. Beacon was the crown, atlas is the scepter, vacuo is the sword, and haven is the lamp

Imagine living your life and one day someone else jumps into your body and starts turning you into an alcoholic because he's still grieving over some shit that had nothing to do with you, and you can't go and tell your friends or family and they never get to know why you had to disappear. Oz's quick decision to go back because he wanted to see Salem no matter what shows that he can't be counted on in the clutch should his emotions get compromised. I get the feeling this is the CRWBY putting this shit into turbo and going full force forward. It's gonna get messy, but it's gonna be a wild ride either way.

been very excited for ya'll to watch this one!

something to think about is ozpin asked how do ‘I’ defeat salem the jinn gave him the answer ‘he’ cant. Its is known jinns do like screwing with people like twisting a wish into something horrible .so oz cant but someone else can. my theory is that rubys silver eyes are a type of anti magic that can negate salems immortal body so only then she can be killed

I’ve been watching this show for the first time and I cannot BELIEVE those cosmic jerks were surprised Salem was still seeking revenge. They gave her an eternity of loneliness to scheme in! Honestly it’s hard to blame her too much for becoming the Joker about it.

what kind of ride takes an hour and 41 minutes? I'M IN BOIS

Another thing I noticed the God of Light said about the world is that it is also a REMNANT BEFORE their intervention or creation. The current iteration of the RWBY world is a REMNANT of a REMNANT.

right when you thought you were getting zuko alone it's time for the avatar and the firelord

I don't know why but I honestly feel that the direction that rwby is going follows the storyline of Magi the labyrinth of magic b/c of the involvement of djinns and reincarnation of Solomon (in this case would be ozpin) and with the destruction of one entire world of beings that leads to another one coming about

So basically, Salem and Ozpin are recreating the 2 brothers' story : gods of their own world, weilding the power to destroy as well as the power to create, they each fight for what they believe in : Ozpin fight in order to bring balance back to the world and bring the gods back as well, while Salem wants to tke the gods' place. Perhaps that is why she seeks the relics, to call upon the gods and try to destroy them or at least steal their power (we know she has a way to do it, since she gave Cinder something that could steal the Maidens' power). What could aslo be possible is that all of this is a secret test byt the gods, to see if Salem and Ozpin are worthy of becoming the new gods of this world. Just imagine, the 2 of them finally reunited, protecting humanity. We also know now that somewhere far from the kingdoms lies a place that holds both the Land of light, the Land of destruction (where Salme was standing at the end of Volume 3), and the old, nameless kingdom ruled by the 2 of them (Where Salem and her allies are living, we can recognize the room where they meet as the one where she fought Ozpin when he tried to leave). And something tells me that their journey will bring our heroes to the Land of light, because it must still hold some vast magical powers. At the very least, we also know that this is most likely leading to a final confrontation between the 2 : Salem has made her moves, chasing after the Maidens and the relics actively, and the only choice Ozpin has to protect them is to take them with him, meaning they would be able to call the gods back. At any rate, know that the series finale has to be epic (and also that we still have material for many volumes).

First of all, I love you guys. Your reactions and discussions are awesome. But how the fuck?! Did you manage to make an almost two hour video for one episode? That's a theatre movie with credits! Awesome, but still! Anyway, nice video. Keep up guys. I like your theories.

I do have some thoughts behind the motivations of the gods. Specifically that they wanted to get the species to the point that they can be at balance and Salem tainted that potential and let's assume memory removal just isn't something they can do. So they need to figure out how to avoid this happening in the future. Also let's not forget they know the afterlife they're sending these people to (one that Ozma wasn't upset about being in from the sounds of it) so from their wide-scale point of view these people might be in a cosmic time out.

Late to the party here, but I think probably the single most important line in this episode was a throwaway line by the God of Light; "You must learn the importance of life and death. Only then may you rest". I'm thinking probably the key to beating Salem permanently?

So this episode sets two things up A. Raven was right more or less, so there may be a team split B. When Jaune finds out Pyrra died and what she did it for is literally impossible, hes going to snap. C. Jaune might turn onto Salems side, He wants Pyrra back and Salem is the type to take advantage of that.

Actually now that I think about it Salem never told Oz about what happened with her and the gods. Ruby asked Gin to tell her what Oz is keeping a secret. So this has to imply he found out some how about the moon and all that happened with Salem while he wasn't there, or it's a plot hole.

Jin said that Salem couldn't be destroyed, but she didn't say she couldn't be saved. Either that or have Atlas build a very large prison that zaps magic.

God of Light "Hey Ozma if I had just brought you back or let my brother bring you beck my brother would not have committed Genocide, but I am going to send you back now that's all over to fix everything but if you fail we are going to do it again, have fun." Great god.

What's interesting is that if she went to the God of Darkness first, things would have been drastically different. LOL Also, I noticed a lot of people seemed to have forgotten that Salem may have been selfish in her love, but her falling into the pit of Grim was what caused her to completely change her personality because the pool destroyed what was left of her humanity and replaced it with the need to destroy like it did with the creatures of Grim. So, yeah...the gods were to be blamed for everything. Pretty sad, Salem was selfish, but they were the cause of Salem to become what she was in the later future and left to have Ozma to take responsibility for their actions.

silver eyes seem more like one of the God's abilities. If the light god knew the children would be born from Ozpin, prehaps he gave his own children the silver eyes? It would make sense considering the effect of the silver eyes is the effect the god used to 'strike' the grim down.

I think the stipulation was “So long as the world turns, you shall walk it’s face.” So should the world end, Salem’s immortality might end with it. Just a thought.

Can I just say, you look adorable in your rwby hoodie. Adorable!!

The phrasing of ozpin questions is what matter because Spoilers for this episode Salam cant be destroyed but that dosent mean she cant be stoped

'ozpin' is the spirit within. put into various VERY HUMAN bodies. so him getting deaded by a Maiden is no mystery.

I wonder if they dunked Salem in the pool of light if she went back to pre destructive pool Salem.

You guys probably noticed when you rewatched the episode but one of Ozpin's families had children with silver eyes.

Me when I wake up: 8:56 Me at 3 am lookin for *_BEANS_* : 9:06

I can't wait to see everyone's reactions to Oz's story XD Everyone being team rwby and ESPECIALLY MARIA OMG IDK IF SHE SAW IT ALL TOO BUT I KINDA HOPE SHE'S INCLUDED!!!! Aaaaaaaand I would like to see the reactors APOLOGIZE FOR CALLIN OZPIN EVIL- jk jk. but it's just that i felt like a lot of ppl said "HA I KNEW IT! OZ IS EVIL!" once they saw Ozpin try to stop the team from seeing his secret past.

Am I the only one that thinks the gods are totally in the right?